November 21, 2025 • 34 mins
Weekly segment featuring Deborah Flora and Christian Toto in-studio with a conservative eye on the entertainment industry, focusing on a culture shift away from woke ideology in music, film, and television.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eddie is the name of the documentary on Netflix there
and I had a chance to watch it, and as
much as I admired and loved Eddie Murphy beforehand, he
was that much more fascinating in witnessing who he is
really at his core and the humility and yet he
knows who he is. I've never seen a celebrity more
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comfortable in his own skin than Eddie Murphy. And I
try to relate to this to people who didn't grow
up in the eighties, like the three of us in
this room, Deborah Flora, Christian Toto, Yours truly, and the
gen xers that can relate this is what I'm talking about.
Like last week we featured the documentary in Michael Jackson
and Michael Jackson, it was nothing bigger than him pop
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culture from a music standpoint, but when it came to entertainment,
whether it was his stand up comedy delirious and raw,
whether it was being a featured cast member and really
the star of the show in the second wave of
Saturday Night Live in the early eighties at the age
of nineteen. I might add or feature length films like
forty eight Hours with Nick Nolty, Beverly Hills cop. Of course,
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as Axel Foley, there was no bigger star in entertainment
than Eddie Murphy in the eighties, and yet that fame
did not consume him. He was able to resist the
temptations of fame that would take down many of his friends,
and he talks about it in this documentary. He has
tremendous personal and professional discipline. I'm just fascinated by him
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as a man. What's important to him, what makes him tick.
And that's why I wanted to start the right side
of Hollywood off with this today, Christian, I'll turn to
you Eddie Murphy. When I say that name, what comes
to mind.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean he was the king really, I mean the
eighties and nineties. He just could do no wrong, could
do everything. You would watch an Eddie Murphy movie and
it didn't even matter how good it was because he
was there. Like The Golden Child, it's not a great movie.
I love The Golden Child, though, it's because a hymn.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's him.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He made it magical.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, when I was a teenager, my buddy Neil
memorized from stem from beginning to end, the delirious audio,
and he would regale us by doing the whole shtick
that Eddie Murphy would do.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Now, obviously it's not safe for radio much of it.
Oh it was. It was just it was magnificent. It
was hysterically funny, it was raw.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was not wrong, but and it was There's so
few performers like him, and you know, every few years
we'd get another IT actor.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You know, Glenn Powell is the guy of the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A few years ago it was someone else. Maybe Jim
Carrey is the one who came the closest to Eddie's
mantle because he was versatile, because he was a huge star,
because he had immense talent. I think he's the maybe
the person I could mention that this sort of is
in the same circle.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
In a way. But gosh, Eddie just just a name. Eddie.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He didn't you know, he's like Denzel, But Denzel is
not a typical name. Eddie's a very average name. But
when you said Eddie, knew exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What some of those who were featured in this film,
and it says a lot about Eddie Murphy who was
paying him this respect. Jerry Seinfeld, Dave Chappelle reveres Eddie
Murphy appeared with him in The Nutty Professor. He was
the agitating stand up comic for Professor Klump and Deborah.
I want to turn to you in the Hollywood aspect
of this and Eddie Murphy, what his reputation might be,
if you've encountered people who have worked with him, or
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just what your perception is of Eddie Murphy the actor,
Eddie Murphy the person you know.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think what's interesting about Eddie Murphy is, first of all,
when this talent.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
He's got such a significant.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Talent that his on camera roles are well known, but
he was able to be so unique as a voice actor.
I always think like Mushu from Moulan the Little Dragon,
or he was Donkey in Shrek, right, no one else
could do those roles the way he did, so he
had all that talent. But I think what's interesting, having
lived in Hollywood, you know, my temporary insanity period, what
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does everybody go there wanting? They really want to be loved,
They're looking for something that they think will fulfill him.
I think, after all that time, what you talked about
him being comfortable in his own skin, what does he
talk about he says his best thing in his life
are his ten children, and he goes on and he
talks about how they are normal people, they're not Hollywood brats.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Those are his words.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And honestly, I think the mark of somebody is how
much their desperation for that love drives them to either
down or they find it in the only place that
is actually really fulfilling, which is true interpersonal relationships, children, family,
et cetera. And I think that was there was always
a kindness to him, a playful I want to say innocence,
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because his language could be salty, but you know what
I mean, there was always something you liked about him.
And I would say he's one of the people that
you could say is a success on the screen. Sounds
like from what he talks about, he's a success off
the screen. And he said, you know, whether he wins
an award or not, he wakes up the next day,
he's still the same person. And he's proud of his kids.
And I think that's really telling.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He didn't give in those temptations, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink,
doesn't smoke, never in any of that sounds a lot
like a certain president of the United States that we
went through that same time and resisted those same temptations.
But the discipline I'm talking about the self awareness as well.
He kind of got stereotype for that lab and he
changed his laugh yes, because he didn't want to be
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labeled with that. Who changes their lab? Who was able
to do that?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Kristen, I couldn't seth Rogen can apparently Kamala Harris, Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
My only critique of Eddie today is that I think
he's about sixty four give or take, so he still
has a lot of life left in him, and I
just want.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Him to be on the screen. I wanted to be
on the stage.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I wanted to be creating more great product, and in
recent years he just has it. I think that was
a dole of mind. As my Name was the film
from a Feud that was brilliant, good and that was
the great Eddie Murphy again. But in recent years he
was just in a movie called The Pickup, which I
turned on for about twenty minutes and I shut up
because I just fell too depressing. Listen, you could blame Hollywood.
They can't give him a good script. Maybe he should
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step back and just wait for something that's worthy of him.
And I get you know, you don't want to just
sit home all the time, right, So that's.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My beautiful home by the way. Gosh, yes, you can sit.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Home with your ten children and your beaute home. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I'm speaking selfish because he's so talented, because he
can do anything. And then there's the mimicry. There's the
he plays all these different characters in his films. You
mentioned the voice work, which is so is so inevitable.
He just does it all. There's just no one quite
like Eddie Murphy. And Yeah, the fact that he hasn't
crashed and burned is probably pretty amazing and maybe one
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of the standouts of his life that he had everything.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He toyed with the idea of doing stand up again,
he hasn't done in it so long, and he kind
of teased that if he felt kind of the itch
to do it, he would do that. But another thing
that stood out to me, Deborah in this documentary and
a Texter mentions trading places again, brilliant young actor cast
in that it was I believe that this is the film.
I might have this wrong, but I don't think that
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I do. Richard Pryor was supposed to be cast with
Gene Wilder. But Richard Pryor had just lit himself on
fire goodness. So the production companies obviously turned away from
Pryor a little bit. And Eddie was steady. I mean
it rhymes, but it's true, more predictable, more reliable in
a way than Pryor was very jealous of his success,
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so they paired Eddie Murphy up with Dan Aykroyd to
get the classic trading places. But this goes to my
other point here, Debora, in that during Eddie's time, and
I didn't think this way. Now I'm fifty one and
I was a young boy back then. Eddie Murphy was
a hero of mine. Michael Jackson, you know, I loved him,
Prince Whitney Houston. They're talking about all these big stars
of the eighties who happened to be black. I didn't
see that about them, but I didn't realize or appreciate
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how important was at that time for Eddie Murphy to
break through. Richard Pryor was a big star in the
seventies and the films that I mentioned here No Evil,
See No Evil, the pairings of Gene Wilder. But it's
like they talk about this in the documentary. There could
only be like one big black star at a time.
So once it was Richard Pryor, then it was Eddie Murphy,
then somebody came next. And that part of it made
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me feel sad because you know why limit a good thing.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Right, absolutely, because and I do think we've gone to
that point. We've actually gone to the extreme now where
you know, the Academy Awards mandates a certain number of
people of diverse backgrounds and ethnicities and all of that,
and so we've gone to the other extreme. Now they
were riding or wrong, if that is what was happening
at the time. But just a talent be talent. And
when you think about the roles he was in, I
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don't think of any of those roles as oh, it
needed to be a black man. He was funny, he
was hilarious, He was a lead actor. And I just
want to you know, Springboard Off is something that Christian
said about, you know, how remarkable it is the life
that he lived, you know, being in Hollywood. The fact
that anyone ends up having a semi normal life with
healthy relationships is incredibly the exception. I mean, the pressures
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on those people. We've been around people that are well known,
and their worlds are surreal.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
They are not normal.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Everyone's surrounding many of these people are those who just
are there to be in the reflected glory. They tell
them whatever they think they want to hear. All too often,
it's very sad nobody's there to actually say what is
good for someone. For someone to navigate all of that,
being at that height and came out the other not
a destroyed person in some area of his life shows
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something about Eddie Murphy that I never even really realized before,
and it's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
What really stands out to me about what you just said, Deborah,
was the love, loyalty, and respect that he had for
his brother Charlie, and how close those two genuinely were,
and that Charlie was looking out for him as an
older brother. And he told those wild stories on Chappelle's
show about Rick James. They were true, and Eddie was
part of it, but he was always kind of on
the periphery. Rick was doing the wild stuff and the
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clutch him in the face. That literally happened, and you
could feel like I teared up, you know. Charlie of
course passed away, and how sad that made Eddie, but
how he felt like death wasn't the end. Very deep
documentary when it comes to that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, you know what's interesting that that is his family.
You know, he's got the ten kids, he had the
older brother who he revered.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's an anchor. It anchors you in place. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Obviously you have to have the discipline and have the talent,
have to where withal, have this sense, and he had
all this. Second the fact that he I mean, it
is shocking how young he was when he broke through,
and he was on Saturday Night Live, which then was massive.
You know, seventy five I think was the first year,
so in the early eighties it was still in the
glow of what SNL was, and there he is just revolutionary,
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revolutionizing comedy and making these iconic characters and pushing the
button and then making us feel uncomfortable too. One of
his best sketches he dressed up in whiteface and did
this ship where he's kind of exploding racism and he's
on a bus with a whole bunch of different people
in different backgrounds and the last black person leaves the
bus and that the white people have a party and
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they celebrate. I mean it was over the top and
it was silly, but he was making a point. Listen,
we can say that race relations are much much much
better today, and they are, but back in the eighties
not as good as they are today, that's for sure.
And he was able to push it, explore it, and
be funny at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
All of that. Deborah, one final thing from a Texter,
don't forget about Coming to America. It's one of my
all time favorite films. Let me start to finish That
one was good as well a story about that. In
this documentary, he encounters the Reverend of JUSTA Jackson and
Jesse's thanking him for casting these old black men in
the barber shop and all these different roles and even
an old Jewish guy. And then Eddie had to break
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it to Jesse Jackson. Those are all me.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Well, that's kind of part of the chorus, you know,
speaking of the Reverend. One of the things I just
looked up to confirm and it doesn't surprise me, is
Eddie Murphy himself.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Credits his faith. He credits that prayer.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And God have gotten him through kept him grounded. It
makes sense because when I see an exception to the
rule of the desperation industry that really Hollywood is, there
has to be something, and you usually I find that
at the heart of it there is someone who is
grounded in something much deeper. Understand there's much more than
this world and instant gratification, and he himself talks about
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how it is his Christian faith and his relationship with
God and prayer that has kept him where he is.
It makes sense because there's too many forces in that
industry that want to make you think everything else matter
is beyond that which is really of the soul and
the heart.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you love Eddie Murphy the way that I do,
and that the three of us do here, I cannot
more strongly recommend Being Eddie, the new Netflix documentary about
Eddie Murphy keeping it positive on this right side of
Hollywood Friday before we get to the fool of thea.
But you know, we tend to poke fun and we
tend to you know, ridicule and rightfully so, ladies of
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the view, et cetera. But there is one individual in
particular I really want to give full credit to this week.
She stepped up in a big way. She volunteered, she
came forward, She contacted the Trump administration. She felt strongly
about this. Listen to Nicki minaj and how much more composed, intelligent,
well researched she is that many of our sitting members
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of Congress. And she's a musician, but this is really
well said.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Thank your Ambassador Walls for this invitation. It is an
honor to stand on this stage with you and the
other distinguished speakers here today to shine a spotlight on
the deadly threat fased by thousands of Christians in Nigeria.
I would like to thank President Trump for prioritizing this
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issue and for his leadership on the global stage and
calling for urgent action to defend Christians in Nigeria, to
combat extremism and to bring a stop to violence against
those who simply want to exercise their natural right to
freedom of religion or belief. I stand here as a
proud New Yorker with a deep sense of gratitude that
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we live in a country where we can freely and
safely worship God, regardless of one's creed background. Blob politics.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now, this has been a journey for Nicki Minaje Debrah
and I remember Tucker Carlson taking aim at her, and
he was skewered on the late night shows because of it.
But here she is delivering this address with Mike Wallas,
the US Ambassador to the United Nations. Nicki Minaj twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Well, I don't know, but here's what I really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
She's using her huge platform to actually focus outside of
the United States where real injustices and travesties are happening.
I'm not saying that we're a perfect country, but too
many people with this kind of a platform focus on
some kind of false narrative of victimization. I mean, particularly
women in the entertainment Instagram. I'm like, really, you want
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to speak out about ruins, right, so maybe focus on
the women being stoned in Iran or what happened with
the Taliban after we left.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
I had to give a lot of creditor.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And the other thing is too I believe, unlike this
cancel culture, people can grow and change, and when they do.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Let's celebrate that. Good for her and good for her
for pointing the light to where real atrocities are happening.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Well real you know, religious demonstration, discrimination to the point
of murder is happening, and people are far too quiet
about what is going on with the slaughter of Christians,
not just in Nigeria but all over the globe right now.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
So good for her. I think it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And thank you Ryan for doing this, because when people
do something well and grow, let's celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Celebrate good times. Mister Toda.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What strikes me about this couple things. One pretty eloquent speech.
I love her New York accent, unstakable too. You know,
she could have avoided this and say, you know, my community,
my artistic community hates Trump so much. I don't think
it behooves me to even make the speech or make
this sort of entry into it. So she kind of
ignored that. It sounds like she's done some of her
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research at Lesia. I mean, you know, one of the
buggaboos I have about, you know, actors being political, is
that they don't know what they're talking about. And it
feels like she kind of moved past that and all
those reasons. It's amazing and I think we're seeing sort
of actually just wrote about this for the Daily Wire.
It should be very soon on their site. Is that
you know, you see this, you see Snoop Dogg playing
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at the pre inaugural ball. You see Zachary Levi risking
a lot to say, hey, I'm pro Trump. Stallone did
the same thing. These are not monsters. Trump is not
a monster. You can absolutely disagree.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
With everything he does.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's fine, but you should have the freedom to be
able to back him up, especially when he does something
good and decent and freeing the hostages with something good
and very decent, and doing what he's doing is putting
a spotlight on what's going on overseas in different countries
is good and decent, and we need to be able
to kind of push past this nonsense and say, Okay,
I don't like a Bill Clinton, but if he did
this and this is a good, powerful effort, I need
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to support him.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We need that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Thirty second warning. And I want to make sure people
know about Christians and latest at Hollywood, intoto dot com,
Why left sudden Free speech defense is a fraud? Quickly
ten second recap of that what people can look forward to.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Free Speech movie was canceled in London, the place
they needed it the most. And I'm just asking, where's
the outcry from all of Jimmy Kimmel's defenders.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Will Jimmy Kimmel himself.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
They're always silent when free speech is underttack unless it
impacts them and involves Orange van beat Friday fool of
the week.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Next, you're a former paratrooper army ranger. You know better
than most how crucial the chain of command is. You
say you can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.
What exactly are you telling the soldiers to do. Stand
up and say no or quit no.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
We're telling the soldiers exactly what they're trained to do
in basic training.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Like I just said, you have to follow the law.
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
It's lastly important, but above the change.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It means you follow the law.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
It means that if there's a non lawful order, if
you're asked to violence the constitution, you're not obligated to
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And let's use some examples.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
By the way, so Abu garat prison, right, there were
privates and junior enlisted who were ordered to do things
that were unlawful, and eleven of them ended up being
criminally prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The Melai massacre in.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Vietnam, where you had private Durst and a warrant officer
refused to massacre civilians. They were the heroes of that moment,
but their commander, their lieutenant Kelly, actually ordered.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It and he went to prison.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
So there are example after example in US military history
of people that are asked to do things that are unlawful,
usually almost always involving committing violence or crimes against civilians
that uniform personnel are obligated to refuse. I F that's
order to do. And we're concerned about this, Elizabeth. We're
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concerned about this because of the rhetoric of this president.
Right that the President actually said, hey, can you shoot
these people in the leg during the Lafayette Square protests.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That wasn't an order.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I think that was a question right in here.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
This president has a long history of saying nefarious and
dubious things, right, But you don't ever wait until an
order is actually given to train people and tell them
what their obligations are, so to.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Be clear, for to be clear, right, But to be clear.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Congressman, you're not.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Saying President Trump has already given any illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Are you?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
We're not talking about specific orders, then what are we
talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Bringing at home and local? For our Friday Fool of
the Week nominee Number one, Representative Jason crow On there
with Elizabeth Vargas News Nation. So he calls back to
Abu Grab that's over twenty years ago under the George W.
Bush administration. He calls back to the Meli massacre that
was in nineteen sixty eight under Lyndna Baines Johnson. I mean,
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we're going to start talking about the Japanese and tornament
camps by FDR. Where are you going with this? Jason Crow?
And then there was a part two today and what
did he do? He walked it back?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So are you saying that there was not necessarily any
particular precipitating event.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
There is no specific thing out there that made you
decide now was the right time.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Right there is very real.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And deep concern you just said about what this president
has threatened to do. Who came over and over again.
There are three more years left to this administration. If
we are not talking about this and having a conversation
about it and demystifying this conversation, that we are not
fulfilling our duty. We are reminding people that have taken
the oath, but that oath requires of them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Deb I will ask again, where is Jason Crow going
with this?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, it is absolutely irresponsible. I mean what is interesting.
He also had an eruth Martha McCallum where he went
on and on and talked about how well trained our
troops are to know this very thing. They are very aware.
And I talked to my husband who is a paratrooper.
Everyone in the military is very clearly told that their
oath is to uphold the Constitution. They know what it
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looks like, they know what their steps are. If it's
not so, there was no need for this. And the
thing is to compare it to anything when it's not
related to anything. This is incredibly not just irresponsible, but
even what they're doing is unconstitutional. In the military, there's
a chain of command, and these six Democrat lawmakers said,
we want to speak directly to the military, and they
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are going around the commander in chief, all of the
upper branch of military leadership, all the way down to
the troops themselves with something they already know.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They know it. It's irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
When he said, oh no, no, we aren't talking about
anything in particular, but you know, and the last thing
I'll say in this video too, that really was disheartening
to me. They are speaking directly to the military, as
they said, and they're saying, you are basically standing ag
against the US citizens. They were telling them that they're
pitting themselves against US citizens.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Completely irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I don't think it's on the levels of sedition, but
it is a really, really dark day for our country now.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Christian. When I tell somebody that I live a mile
from Comedy Works, as a crow flies, that means the
most direct route one can get from point A to
point B if you were a crow and could fly.
He's doing the exact opposite here. He's all over the map,
He's all over the place. Can you pin him down
on what he's trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I think what you just said was perfect. I want
to just point out I thought that was Martha McCallum.
I think there was two different interview that we're two
different yes, So I want to point that out because
both Elizabeth Fargas, who is part of the.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Media machine, but now she's on News Nation.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I don't watch a lot of News Nations, but I'm
getting the sense they actually do news and they actually
have hard hitting interviews and they're actually not letting people
get away with nonsense. And Martha McCallum is in the
same school, and they held this guy's feet to the
fire and made him stumble and bumble and back pedal. Yes,
that's what every journalist should do, no matter the party,
the matter of the situation. These folks tried to virtue
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signal to do the whole this is unprecedented times, all
this stuff, that's what it was happening. And then those
journalists rightly, fairly competently shut him down. Shame on him
for doing that. It's nonsense, nothing has happened, and he's
just trying to genuflect to his mob crowd all he's
doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And it's funny because I didn't even play the McCallum clip,
which was the most eviscerating and damning and the least surprising,
because we know Martha, you know, she's has integrity as
a journalist. Chair Elizabeth Vigas, formerly of ABC News, doing
the same for News Nation, And that last clip you've
heard that was Casey Hunts CNN. Oh wow, so and
she was like, so that's not what you really meant, right,
(23:46):
Crow just really took it on the chin in this one,
and he is a very strong nominee number one for
our Friday Fool of the Week, our second one. She
thinks you're stupid, but she's very stupid, which is more
stupid what she really is or what she thinks. You
are listening, you decide you talked.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
About Republicans taking money from a Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
Here's what you said, who also took money from somebody
named Jeffrey Epstein? As I had my team digg in
very quickly, Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
The NRCC, Lee.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Zelden, George bush Win, Rad McCain, palin Rick Lazio.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
You mentioned to Lezelden there he's now a cabinet secretary.
He responded and said it was actually a doctor Jeffrey Epstein,
who's a doctor that doesn't have any relation to the
convicted sex trucker. Unfortunate for that doctor, but that is
who do it into a prior campaign of his.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Do you want to correct the record on the people.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
And I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein,
just so that people understand when you make a donation,
your picture is not there. And because they decided to
spring this on us in real time. I wanted the
Republicans to think about what could potentially happen because I
knew that they didn't even try to go through the FEC.
So my team what they did is they googled. And
that is specifically why I said a Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans,
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I at least don't go out and just tell.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lies you just did. Christian. I don't mean to damn
with faint praise Nicki Minaj, but she is far more
qualified to be a member of Congress than Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm torn in Jasmine Crockett because all the way that
she speaks is what they call code switching, because in
the past she's been eloquent. She's college educated, so this
is a stick that she's doing. And I also think
that on the surface, she's a blithering idiot. I get that.
I think she thinks she's smart. I think this is
a shtick. I think it's a pose. I think she's
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got a calculation going on. And the beauty of the
Jasmine Crockett situation is that she knows that no one.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Will hold her accountable.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
This journalist did to a degree, But I mean, when
you disassemble and lies so egregiously there's almost nothing you
can do. But she knows that SNL will never mock
her on Late Night, won't touch her. She can do
everything possible, and there's no fact check in the world
that's going to get to her and say, oh my goodness,
that's a complete and utter lie. So she can do
anything she wants and you're going to watch her. She's
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going to get crazier and crazier.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I think she's crazy like a fox. I really
do interesting, Deborah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I think it's interesting because when we were talking
about the journalist who actually finally trying to do journalism,
what a concept, right, But that was actually Caitlyn Collins
on CNN. And as that clip goes on, she keeps
coming back around because Crockett says, well, at least I
wasn't trying to mislead people, and then she comes around
and it goes She says, but really you can see
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that you were, and I was like, that's pretty amazing.
But I also I just have to pause and say,
first of all, she says, my staff googled. I'm sorry,
does not my kids knew when they were thirteen and
fourteen that Google was not a really trustworthy way to
find out information. And then she goes on later in
the interview she complain, she goes, well, I only had
about twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Well, then don't comment on it, don't put it out there.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Whether I think she knew it all along, she wanted
that sound bite moment of saying, oh, they took money
from a Jeffrey Epstein. It is just the most disingenuous thing.
But as you said about our previous nominee, Jason Crowe,
they're trying to play into a certain base and they
really don't care about the truth or what is ethical.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, quickly, I think that she could probably predict that
someone on social media will snip that little thing that
she put out there without context, spread and far and wide,
and be like, oh my gosh, they're doing it too.
It's crazy here. I think that's what she wants.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When I say a nominee has made it on the
list for a second straight week, your head might immediately
go to our list of usual suspects, Jimmy Kimmel, Kamala Harris,
Sonny Houston, Joy Behar. But this time it's a former
First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama. Now, last
week it was all about her hair, wardrobe or makeup.
(27:55):
It's really not as luxurious as it looks. But folks,
you out there, the reason we don't have a woman
president you just weren't ready. You're just not ready.
Speaker 10 (28:10):
Do you think that that impacts the room that we've
made for a woman to be president? Well, as we
saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready. That's
why I'm like, don't even look at me about running,
because you all are lying you're not ready for a woman.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
You are not, So don't waste my time.
Speaker 10 (28:31):
You know, we got a lot of growing up to do,
and they're still I'm sadly a lot of men who
do not feel like they can be led by a woman.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And we saw it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What was a question? I just had a first question
for you, Michelle obaum, what is a woman? Can you
define it? And secondly, I know that I can, so
I turned to the woman on our panel.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Thank you, Flora.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
You know, I'm so tired of people playing the sexist, racist,
you name it card. They cannot look at the fact
that Kamala Harris did not win because she was a
terrible candidate and very few people wanted her to be president.
That is the reason her condescension over and over and
over again to the American people. I don't know, maybe
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it's not really standing, but we're finally saying just how
elitist she is in her own mind. And I think
about the code switching that you were talking about Christian
She'll talk one way as a very highly educated person
from Ivy League. Now I say highly educated, that does
not mean wise or common sense or anything like that.
And then she'll switch to this and the other thing
that really bothers me about our culture. Did you hear
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that uproar at the end when she basically gave the
verbal three snaps kind of thing, and there was like
this huge uproar.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I'm like, who are these people? How we got to the.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Point where you don't even think critically for yourself and
to shame the good American people who are not in
masses racist or sexist. They just want someone who had
good policy.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Total. I don't know that there is a measure that
can tell us exactly how much contempt Michelle Obama has
for our country.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And for the American people. We don't have that scale.
There's nothing that could quantify it.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Actually get a paraphrase the Great Red Steve Stephen L.
Miller on this show quite often as a little bit.
He often talks about how we keep letting Barack Obama down,
when now we're letting Michelle Obama because we didn't vote
for a complete and income poop who couldn't have sentenced together,
who was so fearful of a Joe Rogan interview that
her team held her back. She's a moron, all the
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ven diagrams talked. Notwithstanding she's just not ready for prime time.
She got one percent of the primaries a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
She is.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Her career is over unless she's catapulted into a California
governorship where any breathing person with a D next to
her name hen survived.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She's a moron.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
If Michelle Obama really wanted to support women, she would
support better, stronger women, like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Win some seious maybe something like that. So we gotta
let Toto fly. So we got our three nominees, Jason Crow,
Jasmine Crockett, Michelle Obama. Total your vote and why, and
then we got to go to break.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
All so good, also good Jason Crow.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I gotta go with Crow. He's a winner, and like
a crow. We will watch Christian Toto fly away. Ah,
so nicely done.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That was him.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
By the way, take this time out. Deborah Flora sticks
around and get her vote on this matter as well
as yours. Five seven, seven, three nine Friday for the Week.
Is it representative Jason Crow? Is it representative Jasmine Crockett?
Or is it former First Lady Michelle Obama? You decide
your vote counts five and seven thirty nine on the
right side of Hollywood back after this Christian Toto wave goodbye.
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But here's Deborah Flora and she's done some thinking and
she has.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You make it so hard buying.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Oh my goodness, my brain hurts after Fridays in Full
of the Week segment. You know what, They're all quite
deserving of the award, And you know I would mention
Jasmine Crockett. She's not gonna be my selection because she
reminds me when Bill Clinton said it all came down
to the word is hers?
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Is is it? The Jeffreys A Jeffrey.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Epstein and the little shall Obama is just so condescending.
But honestly, I'm gonna have to go with the one
that is the most dangerous and right here from Colorado,
and that is Jason Crowe, because what they are doing
is the worst form of gas lighting with our military,
trying to pit them against the commander in cheap with
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no specificity, while he even acknowledges our troops already know
that it is their right to not obey an unconstitutional order.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I think it is terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think the worst kind of politicization of our military
to try and get clickbait.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, it's just right. It's just grandstanding. He alyssa Slot
and Mark Kelly, who I expect more out of this
Guy's an ostensible quote unquote moderate senator in Arizona, former astronaut.
You would think you would know better. It probably does,
which makes it worse.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It does well. And if you have some integrity, if you.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Really believe something is happening right now that is unconstitutional,
then what you should say, if that is really your concern,
you should then say this X, Y or Z act
that the president has ordered is unconstitutional. We are calling
on the leaders of the military to command their soldiers
not to comply. That would be the correct chain of events.
(33:27):
It is such a lack of intellectual integrity to not
mention anything specifically so Jason Crow, congratulations, you're the winner.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Happy Thanksgiving to him.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yes, happy Thanksgiving to you. Because I won't see you, well,
I will see you early next week, but this program
will be on hiatus next Friday. So in two weeks,
de Borah and I'll be reunite along with Christian Total. Yes,
your vote's coming in for Friday Fool of the Week.
Steven L. Miller, hosts of the versus media podcast straight Ahead,
and the President of the United States joining us at
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the bottom of the next hour.
Eddie is the name of the documentary on Netflix there
and I had a chance to watch it, and as
much as I admired and loved Eddie Murphy beforehand, he
was that much more fascinating in witnessing who he is
really at his core and the humility and yet he
knows who he is. I've never seen a celebrity more
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comfortable in his own skin than Eddie Murphy. And I
try to relate to this to people who didn't grow
up in the eighties, like the three of us in
this room, Deborah Flora, Christian Toto, Yours truly, and the
gen xers that can relate this is what I'm talking about.
Like last week we featured the documentary in Michael Jackson
and Michael Jackson, it was nothing bigger than him pop
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culture from a music standpoint, but when it came to entertainment,
whether it was his stand up comedy delirious and raw,
whether it was being a featured cast member and really
the star of the show in the second wave of
Saturday Night Live in the early eighties at the age
of nineteen. I might add or feature length films like
forty eight Hours with Nick Nolty, Beverly Hills cop. Of course,
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as Axel Foley, there was no bigger star in entertainment
than Eddie Murphy in the eighties, and yet that fame
did not consume him. He was able to resist the
temptations of fame that would take down many of his friends,
and he talks about it in this documentary. He has
tremendous personal and professional discipline. I'm just fascinated by him
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as a man. What's important to him, what makes him tick.
And that's why I wanted to start the right side
of Hollywood off with this today, Christian, I'll turn to
you Eddie Murphy. When I say that name, what comes
to mind.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I mean he was the king really, I mean the
eighties and nineties. He just could do no wrong, could
do everything. You would watch an Eddie Murphy movie and
it didn't even matter how good it was because he
was there. Like The Golden Child, it's not a great movie.
I love The Golden Child, though, it's because a hymn.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's him.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He made it magical.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, when I was a teenager, my buddy Neil
memorized from stem from beginning to end, the delirious audio,
and he would regale us by doing the whole shtick
that Eddie Murphy would do.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Now, obviously it's not safe for radio much of it.
Oh it was. It was just it was magnificent. It
was hysterically funny, it was raw.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It was not wrong, but and it was There's so
few performers like him, and you know, every few years
we'd get another IT actor.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
You know, Glenn Powell is the guy of the moment.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A few years ago it was someone else. Maybe Jim
Carrey is the one who came the closest to Eddie's
mantle because he was versatile, because he was a huge star,
because he had immense talent. I think he's the maybe
the person I could mention that this sort of is
in the same circle.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
In a way. But gosh, Eddie just just a name. Eddie.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He didn't you know, he's like Denzel, But Denzel is
not a typical name. Eddie's a very average name. But
when you said Eddie, knew exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What some of those who were featured in this film,
and it says a lot about Eddie Murphy who was
paying him this respect. Jerry Seinfeld, Dave Chappelle reveres Eddie
Murphy appeared with him in The Nutty Professor. He was
the agitating stand up comic for Professor Klump and Deborah.
I want to turn to you in the Hollywood aspect
of this and Eddie Murphy, what his reputation might be,
if you've encountered people who have worked with him, or
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just what your perception is of Eddie Murphy the actor,
Eddie Murphy the person you know.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think what's interesting about Eddie Murphy is, first of all,
when this talent.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
He's got such a significant.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Talent that his on camera roles are well known, but
he was able to be so unique as a voice actor.
I always think like Mushu from Moulan the Little Dragon,
or he was Donkey in Shrek, right, no one else
could do those roles the way he did, so he
had all that talent. But I think what's interesting, having
lived in Hollywood, you know, my temporary insanity period, what
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does everybody go there wanting? They really want to be loved,
They're looking for something that they think will fulfill him.
I think, after all that time, what you talked about
him being comfortable in his own skin, what does he
talk about he says his best thing in his life
are his ten children, and he goes on and he
talks about how they are normal people, they're not Hollywood brats.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Those are his words.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
And honestly, I think the mark of somebody is how
much their desperation for that love drives them to either
down or they find it in the only place that
is actually really fulfilling, which is true interpersonal relationships, children, family,
et cetera. And I think that was there was always
a kindness to him, a playful I want to say innocence,
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because his language could be salty, but you know what
I mean, there was always something you liked about him.
And I would say he's one of the people that
you could say is a success on the screen. Sounds
like from what he talks about, he's a success off
the screen. And he said, you know, whether he wins
an award or not, he wakes up the next day,
he's still the same person. And he's proud of his kids.
And I think that's really telling.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He didn't give in those temptations, doesn't do drugs, doesn't drink,
doesn't smoke, never in any of that sounds a lot
like a certain president of the United States that we
went through that same time and resisted those same temptations.
But the discipline I'm talking about the self awareness as well.
He kind of got stereotype for that lab and he
changed his laugh yes, because he didn't want to be
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labeled with that. Who changes their lab? Who was able
to do that?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Kristen, I couldn't seth Rogen can apparently Kamala Harris, Oh boy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
My only critique of Eddie today is that I think
he's about sixty four give or take, so he still
has a lot of life left in him, and I
just want.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Him to be on the screen. I wanted to be
on the stage.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I wanted to be creating more great product, and in
recent years he just has it. I think that was
a dole of mind. As my Name was the film
from a Feud that was brilliant, good and that was
the great Eddie Murphy again. But in recent years he
was just in a movie called The Pickup, which I
turned on for about twenty minutes and I shut up
because I just fell too depressing. Listen, you could blame Hollywood.
They can't give him a good script. Maybe he should
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step back and just wait for something that's worthy of him.
And I get you know, you don't want to just
sit home all the time, right, So that's.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My beautiful home by the way. Gosh, yes, you can sit.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Home with your ten children and your beaute home. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And I'm speaking selfish because he's so talented, because he
can do anything. And then there's the mimicry. There's the
he plays all these different characters in his films. You
mentioned the voice work, which is so is so inevitable.
He just does it all. There's just no one quite
like Eddie Murphy. And Yeah, the fact that he hasn't
crashed and burned is probably pretty amazing and maybe one
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of the standouts of his life that he had everything.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He toyed with the idea of doing stand up again,
he hasn't done in it so long, and he kind
of teased that if he felt kind of the itch
to do it, he would do that. But another thing
that stood out to me, Deborah in this documentary and
a Texter mentions trading places again, brilliant young actor cast
in that it was I believe that this is the film.
I might have this wrong, but I don't think that
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I do. Richard Pryor was supposed to be cast with
Gene Wilder. But Richard Pryor had just lit himself on
fire goodness. So the production companies obviously turned away from
Pryor a little bit. And Eddie was steady. I mean
it rhymes, but it's true, more predictable, more reliable in
a way than Pryor was very jealous of his success,
(07:19):
so they paired Eddie Murphy up with Dan Aykroyd to
get the classic trading places. But this goes to my
other point here, Debora, in that during Eddie's time, and
I didn't think this way. Now I'm fifty one and
I was a young boy back then. Eddie Murphy was
a hero of mine. Michael Jackson, you know, I loved him,
Prince Whitney Houston. They're talking about all these big stars
of the eighties who happened to be black. I didn't
see that about them, but I didn't realize or appreciate
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how important was at that time for Eddie Murphy to
break through. Richard Pryor was a big star in the
seventies and the films that I mentioned here No Evil,
See No Evil, the pairings of Gene Wilder. But it's
like they talk about this in the documentary. There could
only be like one big black star at a time.
So once it was Richard Pryor, then it was Eddie Murphy,
then somebody came next. And that part of it made
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me feel sad because you know why limit a good thing.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Right, absolutely, because and I do think we've gone to
that point. We've actually gone to the extreme now where
you know, the Academy Awards mandates a certain number of
people of diverse backgrounds and ethnicities and all of that,
and so we've gone to the other extreme. Now they
were riding or wrong, if that is what was happening
at the time. But just a talent be talent. And
when you think about the roles he was in, I
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don't think of any of those roles as oh, it
needed to be a black man. He was funny, he
was hilarious, He was a lead actor. And I just
want to you know, Springboard Off is something that Christian
said about, you know, how remarkable it is the life
that he lived, you know, being in Hollywood. The fact
that anyone ends up having a semi normal life with
healthy relationships is incredibly the exception. I mean, the pressures
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on those people. We've been around people that are well known,
and their worlds are surreal.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
They are not normal.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Everyone's surrounding many of these people are those who just
are there to be in the reflected glory. They tell
them whatever they think they want to hear. All too often,
it's very sad nobody's there to actually say what is
good for someone. For someone to navigate all of that,
being at that height and came out the other not
a destroyed person in some area of his life shows
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something about Eddie Murphy that I never even really realized before,
and it's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
What really stands out to me about what you just said, Deborah,
was the love, loyalty, and respect that he had for
his brother Charlie, and how close those two genuinely were,
and that Charlie was looking out for him as an
older brother. And he told those wild stories on Chappelle's
show about Rick James. They were true, and Eddie was
part of it, but he was always kind of on
the periphery. Rick was doing the wild stuff and the
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clutch him in the face. That literally happened, and you
could feel like I teared up, you know. Charlie of
course passed away, and how sad that made Eddie, but
how he felt like death wasn't the end. Very deep
documentary when it comes to that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, you know what's interesting that that is his family.
You know, he's got the ten kids, he had the
older brother who he revered.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's an anchor. It anchors you in place. You know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Obviously you have to have the discipline and have the talent,
have to where withal, have this sense, and he had
all this. Second the fact that he I mean, it
is shocking how young he was when he broke through,
and he was on Saturday Night Live, which then was massive.
You know, seventy five I think was the first year,
so in the early eighties it was still in the
glow of what SNL was, and there he is just revolutionary,
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revolutionizing comedy and making these iconic characters and pushing the
button and then making us feel uncomfortable too. One of
his best sketches he dressed up in whiteface and did
this ship where he's kind of exploding racism and he's
on a bus with a whole bunch of different people
in different backgrounds and the last black person leaves the
bus and that the white people have a party and
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they celebrate. I mean it was over the top and
it was silly, but he was making a point. Listen,
we can say that race relations are much much much
better today, and they are, but back in the eighties
not as good as they are today, that's for sure.
And he was able to push it, explore it, and
be funny at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
All of that. Deborah, one final thing from a Texter,
don't forget about Coming to America. It's one of my
all time favorite films. Let me start to finish That
one was good as well a story about that. In
this documentary, he encounters the Reverend of JUSTA Jackson and
Jesse's thanking him for casting these old black men in
the barber shop and all these different roles and even
an old Jewish guy. And then Eddie had to break
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it to Jesse Jackson. Those are all me.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Well, that's kind of part of the chorus, you know,
speaking of the Reverend. One of the things I just
looked up to confirm and it doesn't surprise me, is
Eddie Murphy himself.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Credits his faith. He credits that prayer.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And God have gotten him through kept him grounded. It
makes sense because when I see an exception to the
rule of the desperation industry that really Hollywood is, there
has to be something, and you usually I find that
at the heart of it there is someone who is
grounded in something much deeper. Understand there's much more than
this world and instant gratification, and he himself talks about
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how it is his Christian faith and his relationship with
God and prayer that has kept him where he is.
It makes sense because there's too many forces in that
industry that want to make you think everything else matter
is beyond that which is really of the soul and
the heart.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
If you love Eddie Murphy the way that I do,
and that the three of us do here, I cannot
more strongly recommend Being Eddie, the new Netflix documentary about
Eddie Murphy keeping it positive on this right side of
Hollywood Friday before we get to the fool of thea.
But you know, we tend to poke fun and we
tend to you know, ridicule and rightfully so, ladies of
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the view, et cetera. But there is one individual in
particular I really want to give full credit to this week.
She stepped up in a big way. She volunteered, she
came forward, She contacted the Trump administration. She felt strongly
about this. Listen to Nicki minaj and how much more composed, intelligent,
well researched she is that many of our sitting members
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of Congress. And she's a musician, but this is really
well said.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Thank your Ambassador Walls for this invitation. It is an
honor to stand on this stage with you and the
other distinguished speakers here today to shine a spotlight on
the deadly threat fased by thousands of Christians in Nigeria.
I would like to thank President Trump for prioritizing this
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issue and for his leadership on the global stage and
calling for urgent action to defend Christians in Nigeria, to
combat extremism and to bring a stop to violence against
those who simply want to exercise their natural right to
freedom of religion or belief. I stand here as a
proud New Yorker with a deep sense of gratitude that
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we live in a country where we can freely and
safely worship God, regardless of one's creed background. Blob politics.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now, this has been a journey for Nicki Minaje Debrah
and I remember Tucker Carlson taking aim at her, and
he was skewered on the late night shows because of it.
But here she is delivering this address with Mike Wallas,
the US Ambassador to the United Nations. Nicki Minaj twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Well, I don't know, but here's what I really appreciate.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
She's using her huge platform to actually focus outside of
the United States where real injustices and travesties are happening.
I'm not saying that we're a perfect country, but too
many people with this kind of a platform focus on
some kind of false narrative of victimization. I mean, particularly
women in the entertainment Instagram. I'm like, really, you want
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to speak out about ruins, right, so maybe focus on
the women being stoned in Iran or what happened with
the Taliban after we left.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
I had to give a lot of creditor.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And the other thing is too I believe, unlike this
cancel culture, people can grow and change, and when they do.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Let's celebrate that. Good for her and good for her
for pointing the light to where real atrocities are happening.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Well real you know, religious demonstration, discrimination to the point
of murder is happening, and people are far too quiet
about what is going on with the slaughter of Christians,
not just in Nigeria but all over the globe right now.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
So good for her. I think it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And thank you Ryan for doing this, because when people
do something well and grow, let's celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Celebrate good times. Mister Toda.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
What strikes me about this couple things. One pretty eloquent speech.
I love her New York accent, unstakable too. You know,
she could have avoided this and say, you know, my community,
my artistic community hates Trump so much. I don't think
it behooves me to even make the speech or make
this sort of entry into it. So she kind of
ignored that. It sounds like she's done some of her
(15:58):
research at Lesia. I mean, you know, one of the
buggaboos I have about, you know, actors being political, is
that they don't know what they're talking about. And it
feels like she kind of moved past that and all
those reasons. It's amazing and I think we're seeing sort
of actually just wrote about this for the Daily Wire.
It should be very soon on their site. Is that
you know, you see this, you see Snoop Dogg playing
(16:19):
at the pre inaugural ball. You see Zachary Levi risking
a lot to say, hey, I'm pro Trump. Stallone did
the same thing. These are not monsters. Trump is not
a monster. You can absolutely disagree.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
With everything he does.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's fine, but you should have the freedom to be
able to back him up, especially when he does something
good and decent and freeing the hostages with something good
and very decent, and doing what he's doing is putting
a spotlight on what's going on overseas in different countries
is good and decent, and we need to be able
to kind of push past this nonsense and say, Okay,
I don't like a Bill Clinton, but if he did
this and this is a good, powerful effort, I need
(16:54):
to support him.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
We need that.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Thirty second warning. And I want to make sure people
know about Christians and latest at Hollywood, intoto dot com,
Why left sudden Free speech defense is a fraud? Quickly
ten second recap of that what people can look forward to.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Free Speech movie was canceled in London, the place
they needed it the most. And I'm just asking, where's
the outcry from all of Jimmy Kimmel's defenders.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Will Jimmy Kimmel himself.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
They're always silent when free speech is underttack unless it
impacts them and involves Orange van beat Friday fool of
the week.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Next, you're a former paratrooper army ranger. You know better
than most how crucial the chain of command is. You
say you can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.
What exactly are you telling the soldiers to do. Stand
up and say no or quit no.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
We're telling the soldiers exactly what they're trained to do
in basic training.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Like I just said, you have to follow the law.
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
It's lastly important, but above the change.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It means you follow the law.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
It means that if there's a non lawful order, if
you're asked to violence the constitution, you're not obligated to
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And let's use some examples.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
By the way, so Abu garat prison, right, there were
privates and junior enlisted who were ordered to do things
that were unlawful, and eleven of them ended up being
criminally prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The Melai massacre in.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Vietnam, where you had private Durst and a warrant officer
refused to massacre civilians. They were the heroes of that moment,
but their commander, their lieutenant Kelly, actually ordered.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It and he went to prison.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
So there are example after example in US military history
of people that are asked to do things that are unlawful,
usually almost always involving committing violence or crimes against civilians
that uniform personnel are obligated to refuse. I F that's
order to do. And we're concerned about this, Elizabeth. We're
(18:52):
concerned about this because of the rhetoric of this president.
Right that the President actually said, hey, can you shoot
these people in the leg during the Lafayette Square protests.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
That wasn't an order.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I think that was a question right in here.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
This president has a long history of saying nefarious and
dubious things, right, But you don't ever wait until an
order is actually given to train people and tell them
what their obligations are, so to.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Be clear, for to be clear, right, But to be clear.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Congressman, you're not.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Saying President Trump has already given any illegal orders.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Are you?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
We're not talking about specific orders, then what are we
talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Bringing at home and local? For our Friday Fool of
the Week nominee Number one, Representative Jason crow On there
with Elizabeth Vargas News Nation. So he calls back to
Abu Grab that's over twenty years ago under the George W.
Bush administration. He calls back to the Meli massacre that
was in nineteen sixty eight under Lyndna Baines Johnson. I mean,
(19:58):
we're going to start talking about the Japanese and tornament
camps by FDR. Where are you going with this? Jason Crow?
And then there was a part two today and what
did he do? He walked it back?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So are you saying that there was not necessarily any
particular precipitating event.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
There is no specific thing out there that made you
decide now was the right time.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Right there is very real.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
And deep concern you just said about what this president
has threatened to do. Who came over and over again.
There are three more years left to this administration. If
we are not talking about this and having a conversation
about it and demystifying this conversation, that we are not
fulfilling our duty. We are reminding people that have taken
the oath, but that oath requires of them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Deb I will ask again, where is Jason Crow going
with this?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well, it is absolutely irresponsible. I mean what is interesting.
He also had an eruth Martha McCallum where he went
on and on and talked about how well trained our
troops are to know this very thing. They are very aware.
And I talked to my husband who is a paratrooper.
Everyone in the military is very clearly told that their
oath is to uphold the Constitution. They know what it
(21:09):
looks like, they know what their steps are. If it's
not so, there was no need for this. And the
thing is to compare it to anything when it's not
related to anything. This is incredibly not just irresponsible, but
even what they're doing is unconstitutional. In the military, there's
a chain of command, and these six Democrat lawmakers said,
we want to speak directly to the military, and they
(21:33):
are going around the commander in chief, all of the
upper branch of military leadership, all the way down to
the troops themselves with something they already know.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They know it. It's irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
When he said, oh no, no, we aren't talking about
anything in particular, but you know, and the last thing
I'll say in this video too, that really was disheartening
to me. They are speaking directly to the military, as
they said, and they're saying, you are basically standing ag
against the US citizens. They were telling them that they're
pitting themselves against US citizens.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Completely irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I don't think it's on the levels of sedition, but
it is a really, really dark day for our country now.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Christian. When I tell somebody that I live a mile
from Comedy Works, as a crow flies, that means the
most direct route one can get from point A to
point B if you were a crow and could fly.
He's doing the exact opposite here. He's all over the map,
He's all over the place. Can you pin him down
on what he's trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I think what you just said was perfect. I want
to just point out I thought that was Martha McCallum.
I think there was two different interview that we're two
different yes, So I want to point that out because
both Elizabeth Fargas, who is part of the.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Media machine, but now she's on News Nation.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I don't watch a lot of News Nations, but I'm
getting the sense they actually do news and they actually
have hard hitting interviews and they're actually not letting people
get away with nonsense. And Martha McCallum is in the
same school, and they held this guy's feet to the
fire and made him stumble and bumble and back pedal. Yes,
that's what every journalist should do, no matter the party,
the matter of the situation. These folks tried to virtue
(23:06):
signal to do the whole this is unprecedented times, all
this stuff, that's what it was happening. And then those
journalists rightly, fairly competently shut him down. Shame on him
for doing that. It's nonsense, nothing has happened, and he's
just trying to genuflect to his mob crowd all he's
doing it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And it's funny because I didn't even play the McCallum clip,
which was the most eviscerating and damning and the least surprising,
because we know Martha, you know, she's has integrity as
a journalist. Chair Elizabeth Vigas, formerly of ABC News, doing
the same for News Nation, And that last clip you've
heard that was Casey Hunts CNN. Oh wow, so and
she was like, so that's not what you really meant, right,
(23:46):
Crow just really took it on the chin in this one,
and he is a very strong nominee number one for
our Friday Fool of the Week, our second one. She
thinks you're stupid, but she's very stupid, which is more
stupid what she really is or what she thinks. You
are listening, you decide you talked.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
About Republicans taking money from a Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
Here's what you said, who also took money from somebody
named Jeffrey Epstein? As I had my team digg in
very quickly, Mitt Romney.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
The NRCC, Lee.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
Zelden, George bush Win, Rad McCain, palin Rick Lazio.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
You mentioned to Lezelden there he's now a cabinet secretary.
He responded and said it was actually a doctor Jeffrey Epstein,
who's a doctor that doesn't have any relation to the
convicted sex trucker. Unfortunate for that doctor, but that is
who do it into a prior campaign of his.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Do you want to correct the record on the people.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
And I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein,
just so that people understand when you make a donation,
your picture is not there. And because they decided to
spring this on us in real time. I wanted the
Republicans to think about what could potentially happen because I
knew that they didn't even try to go through the FEC.
So my team what they did is they googled. And
that is specifically why I said a Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans,
(25:07):
I at least don't go out and just tell.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lies you just did. Christian. I don't mean to damn
with faint praise Nicki Minaj, but she is far more
qualified to be a member of Congress than Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm torn in Jasmine Crockett because all the way that
she speaks is what they call code switching, because in
the past she's been eloquent. She's college educated, so this
is a stick that she's doing. And I also think
that on the surface, she's a blithering idiot. I get that.
I think she thinks she's smart. I think this is
a shtick. I think it's a pose. I think she's
(25:39):
got a calculation going on. And the beauty of the
Jasmine Crockett situation is that she knows that no one.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Will hold her accountable.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
This journalist did to a degree, But I mean, when
you disassemble and lies so egregiously there's almost nothing you
can do. But she knows that SNL will never mock
her on Late Night, won't touch her. She can do
everything possible, and there's no fact check in the world
that's going to get to her and say, oh my goodness,
that's a complete and utter lie. So she can do
anything she wants and you're going to watch her. She's
(26:10):
going to get crazier and crazier.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
But I think she's crazy like a fox. I really
do interesting, Deborah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I think it's interesting because when we were talking
about the journalist who actually finally trying to do journalism,
what a concept, right, But that was actually Caitlyn Collins
on CNN. And as that clip goes on, she keeps
coming back around because Crockett says, well, at least I
wasn't trying to mislead people, and then she comes around
and it goes She says, but really you can see
(26:35):
that you were, and I was like, that's pretty amazing.
But I also I just have to pause and say,
first of all, she says, my staff googled. I'm sorry,
does not my kids knew when they were thirteen and
fourteen that Google was not a really trustworthy way to
find out information. And then she goes on later in
the interview she complain, she goes, well, I only had
about twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Well, then don't comment on it, don't put it out there.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Whether I think she knew it all along, she wanted
that sound bite moment of saying, oh, they took money
from a Jeffrey Epstein. It is just the most disingenuous thing.
But as you said about our previous nominee, Jason Crowe,
they're trying to play into a certain base and they
really don't care about the truth or what is ethical.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, quickly, I think that she could probably predict that
someone on social media will snip that little thing that
she put out there without context, spread and far and wide,
and be like, oh my gosh, they're doing it too.
It's crazy here. I think that's what she wants.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When I say a nominee has made it on the
list for a second straight week, your head might immediately
go to our list of usual suspects, Jimmy Kimmel, Kamala Harris,
Sonny Houston, Joy Behar. But this time it's a former
First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama. Now, last
week it was all about her hair, wardrobe or makeup.
(27:55):
It's really not as luxurious as it looks. But folks,
you out there, the reason we don't have a woman
president you just weren't ready. You're just not ready.
Speaker 10 (28:10):
Do you think that that impacts the room that we've
made for a woman to be president? Well, as we
saw in this past election, sadly, we ain't ready. That's
why I'm like, don't even look at me about running,
because you all are lying you're not ready for a woman.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
You are not, So don't waste my time.
Speaker 10 (28:31):
You know, we got a lot of growing up to do,
and they're still I'm sadly a lot of men who
do not feel like they can be led by a woman.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And we saw it.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What was a question? I just had a first question
for you, Michelle obaum, what is a woman? Can you
define it? And secondly, I know that I can, so
I turned to the woman on our panel.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
Thank you, Flora.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
You know, I'm so tired of people playing the sexist, racist,
you name it card. They cannot look at the fact
that Kamala Harris did not win because she was a
terrible candidate and very few people wanted her to be president.
That is the reason her condescension over and over and
over again to the American people. I don't know, maybe
(29:21):
it's not really standing, but we're finally saying just how
elitist she is in her own mind. And I think
about the code switching that you were talking about Christian
She'll talk one way as a very highly educated person
from Ivy League. Now I say highly educated, that does
not mean wise or common sense or anything like that.
And then she'll switch to this and the other thing
that really bothers me about our culture. Did you hear
(29:43):
that uproar at the end when she basically gave the
verbal three snaps kind of thing, and there was like
this huge uproar.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
I'm like, who are these people? How we got to the.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Point where you don't even think critically for yourself and
to shame the good American people who are not in
masses racist or sexist. They just want someone who had
good policy.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Total. I don't know that there is a measure that
can tell us exactly how much contempt Michelle Obama has
for our country.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And for the American people. We don't have that scale.
There's nothing that could quantify it.
Speaker 10 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Actually get a paraphrase the Great Red Steve Stephen L.
Miller on this show quite often as a little bit.
He often talks about how we keep letting Barack Obama down,
when now we're letting Michelle Obama because we didn't vote
for a complete and income poop who couldn't have sentenced together,
who was so fearful of a Joe Rogan interview that
her team held her back. She's a moron, all the
(30:41):
ven diagrams talked. Notwithstanding she's just not ready for prime time.
She got one percent of the primaries a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
She is.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Her career is over unless she's catapulted into a California
governorship where any breathing person with a D next to
her name hen survived.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She's a moron.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
If Michelle Obama really wanted to support women, she would
support better, stronger women, like.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Win some seious maybe something like that. So we gotta
let Toto fly. So we got our three nominees, Jason Crow,
Jasmine Crockett, Michelle Obama. Total your vote and why, and
then we got to go to break.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
All so good, also good Jason Crow.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I gotta go with Crow. He's a winner, and like
a crow. We will watch Christian Toto fly away. Ah,
so nicely done.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That was him.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
By the way, take this time out. Deborah Flora sticks
around and get her vote on this matter as well
as yours. Five seven, seven, three nine Friday for the Week.
Is it representative Jason Crow? Is it representative Jasmine Crockett?
Or is it former First Lady Michelle Obama? You decide
your vote counts five and seven thirty nine on the
right side of Hollywood back after this Christian Toto wave goodbye.
(31:50):
But here's Deborah Flora and she's done some thinking and
she has.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You make it so hard buying.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Oh my goodness, my brain hurts after Fridays in Full
of the Week segment. You know what, They're all quite
deserving of the award, And you know I would mention
Jasmine Crockett. She's not gonna be my selection because she
reminds me when Bill Clinton said it all came down
to the word is hers?
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Is is it? The Jeffreys A Jeffrey.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Epstein and the little shall Obama is just so condescending.
But honestly, I'm gonna have to go with the one
that is the most dangerous and right here from Colorado,
and that is Jason Crowe, because what they are doing
is the worst form of gas lighting with our military,
trying to pit them against the commander in cheap with
(32:35):
no specificity, while he even acknowledges our troops already know
that it is their right to not obey an unconstitutional order.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
I think it is terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think the worst kind of politicization of our military
to try and get clickbait.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, it's just right. It's just grandstanding. He alyssa Slot
and Mark Kelly, who I expect more out of this
Guy's an ostensible quote unquote moderate senator in Arizona, former astronaut.
You would think you would know better. It probably does,
which makes it worse.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It does well. And if you have some integrity, if you.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Really believe something is happening right now that is unconstitutional,
then what you should say, if that is really your concern,
you should then say this X, Y or Z act
that the president has ordered is unconstitutional. We are calling
on the leaders of the military to command their soldiers
not to comply. That would be the correct chain of events.
(33:27):
It is such a lack of intellectual integrity to not
mention anything specifically so Jason Crow, congratulations, you're the winner.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Happy Thanksgiving to him.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yes, happy Thanksgiving to you. Because I won't see you, well,
I will see you early next week, but this program
will be on hiatus next Friday. So in two weeks,
de Borah and I'll be reunite along with Christian Total. Yes,
your vote's coming in for Friday Fool of the Week.
Steven L. Miller, hosts of the versus media podcast straight Ahead,
and the President of the United States joining us at
(33:57):
the bottom of the next hour.
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