September 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Reflecting on the life and times of Norm MacDonald and his surprising comment to Michael Knowles of Daily Wire on his faith and belief in the Bible. Ryan also references Norm's nuanced perspective on Donald Trump, and how the late comedian preferred Darrell Hammond's impersonation of the President to Alec Baldwin's venomous one.
Valdamar Archuleta, former President of the Colorado Log Cabin Republicans and GOP candidate for U.S. Congress (CO-1), joins Ryan to recap the tumultuous central state committee meeting for the Colorado Republican Party on Saturday over whether the state GOP should close their primaries to only registered Republicans - or have primaries at all. The issue remains unresolved and chaos has since ensued. Again.
Valdamar Archuleta, former President of the Colorado Log Cabin Republicans and GOP candidate for U.S. Congress (CO-1), joins Ryan to recap the tumultuous central state committee meeting for the Colorado Republican Party on Saturday over whether the state GOP should close their primaries to only registered Republicans - or have primaries at all. The issue remains unresolved and chaos has since ensued. Again.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know Norm McDonald, the comedian of course, of course,
greatest comedian probably ever. I didn't know him really, but
he and I we would write each other long letters
on Twitter DMS for weeks. This is the strangest thing
because I saw he was following me on Twitter and
he wasn't following a lot of people. And I was
a huge fan of his, so I didn't even want
to message him. I was so and one time he
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sent out a tweet and it sounded kind of despairing.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now we know he was dying of cancer.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I thought I thought it was suicidal or I just
sent him a note said I feel bad if I didn't.
I said, hey, Norm, a huge fan of yours. If
I can be of any help, I don't know that
I can, but I'd be happy to. And we started
writing each other these letters and yeah, for for weeks,
every night, just for weeks, long essays really to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Norm McDonald on Twitter DM. Is weird. This is one
of the stranger and.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
He he would do this thing where he'd say, Michael, hey,
I can't I can't do it, ray Norm. So uh,
it would be prideful for me not to take you
up on your offer, because Michael, I'm not an educated man.
You're an educated man. I'm an undergraduate degree. I'm not
an educated man. I didn't really go to college. And uh,
and then he would he would do this thing where
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he'd make it seem like he's just some old chunk
of cole not that, and then he'd use a word
that I didn't know. He's certainly much better read than
I am, and loved the Russian novelists. And we were
talking about religion basically the whole time. And he said
to me, I don't know. I still don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's particular, the particulars of all of his religious views.
But he said, yeah for me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I told him how I converted reverted, and he said, ah,
yeah for me, I just I've just always known the
Bible's true.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just always knew. I just i'd read it. I
just knew. So anyway, that's it. And I thought, well,
that's that's the better that's the better way.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's it's like Christ to Thomas the Apostle. He says,
you know, blessed her you you've seen and believed, But
blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, And that was Norm. And yeah, that's another.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Example too of you think, okay, the whole culture and
all these smart people are atheists. Norm is one of
the smartest pop culture figures that's been around every decades.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, but he knew. It's just like everyone kind of knows.
Deep down, everyone kind of knows. That's totally right.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Michael Knowles of Daily Wire on with Tucker Carlson, I
found that exchange fascinating in kind of getting behind the
curtain of who Norm MacDonald really was. And for those
of you that listened to the show regularly, welcome back
Ryan Schuling Live. One, you know, I'm a big fan
of comedy, of improv, of sketch comedy, of stand up comedy.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
And two, I'm a big fan of comedians.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You'll hear a lot of them on this program, probably
far more than you'll hear on any other show, certainly
in Denver, because I admire that craft. And I was
just talking over the weekend with friends of mine as
I went to see Craig Robinson at Comedy Works South
and his show was very entertaining, But just how much
I admire that stand and deliver apparatus that a comedian
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has to put him or herself on the line in
front of an audience. That's mentality at that moment is
I've had a rough day, I've had a rough week.
Make me laugh, clown and you get a past fail
grade right on the spot. You're either funny or you're not,
and you get that reaction from the audience. And to me,
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there's really nothing like it because you're interacting with the audience.
It's different even than if you are a stage actor
actress in theater, which is a noble craft and I've
always admired people that do that, or if you maybe
do a show like this one, and I'm speaking with
all of you and I cherish that. But you know,
you can listen, you can turn off the radio. I
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won't know, I don't see you. We're not on that
level of instant spontaneity, read and react past fail grade.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So I think, in my view, the stand up.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Comedy is the most difficult performance art Barnett Barnett, that's
just my opinion. But even point free through all of
that kind of feel like Steve Martin here, and he's
one of my favorites, but Norm Norm was different. Norm
MacDonald was my favorite for so many reasons, and his
death struck me harder than most celebrity deaths due because.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
We need a Norm MacDonald right now.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Comedians are supposed to be the truth tellers, and nobody
could influence Norm. Norm was his own guy, and whatever
he thought, he would share that with whoever. And the
fact that he reached out to Michael Knowles followed him.
Michael Knowles matches them back and forth, and they had
this conversation about religion, of all things. It undergirds a
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lot of what I've been saying, and no, I'm not
going to turn this into Ryan's revival. I know a
lot of you listeners have texted me and maybe you
are fearful of that, but I do think we live
at a time, at a pressure point, especially with this
shooting over the weekend in Grand Blank in my home
state of Michigan at the LDS Latter day Saints Church Mormons,
where there's a crisis of spirituality in this country is
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however you define it. But if you believe in nothing,
that in and of itself is a belief and it
comes from somewhere. And I thought Ben Shapiro did a
really good job of outlining that for Bill Maher here. Now,
these are two very intelligent men. But listen to this
whole exchange, and I think it'll explain in great detail
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and accuracy exactly where I'm coming from on this, which
is with Ben Shapiro on it.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Why do you and I agree on morality? Like eighty
seven point five percent? I'm a religious Jew, you're an atheist.
Why do we agree on those things? I mean, I
give you my answer please, because we probably grew up
a few miles from each other in a Western society
that has several thousand years of biblical.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
History behind it.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
And so you can think that you hit that triple
and you formed your own morality, but the reality is
you were born morally on third base.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
No we okay, we got.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
We got that morality from the Enlightenment, which was an
anti religious movement.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Founding Fathers.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
They weren't religious people, they were deists, they weren't particularly Christy.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Thomas Jefferson used the morality of the Bible, and he was.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Riving all the miracles out of the Bible. Yes, he
literally ordered vision of the Bible about the miracles.
Speaker 9 (06:25):
Last time I was here, and you were talking about
all of Jesus's teachings and how this was really radical
new stuff, right, and how and how it changed.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Basic philosophy, yes, and how and how?
Speaker 9 (06:35):
Without that, I mean, I think it's worth understanding that
the pivot point in history when we talk about Judeo
Christian ethics, but more specifically Christian ethics, what a turning
point in history that represented, for within the Roman Empire
and beyond in terms of in terms of medicine, in
terms of care for the widow and the orphan, much
of what we would consider to be sort of good
moral ethical behavior was not in fact a commonplace or
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mainstream thing several centuries ago. And so I think, to
point some of it, why.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Do we still do it? Why do we still admire it?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Because?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I mean because cut flowers die, meaning that if the
flower is the result of the route, and then you
cut the flower, you can live on with a second
or humanistic more. I'd be a moral person and be
a good person, but it does not systemically maintain.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And Shapiro was exactly right, and so is that Christian
minister I'm not sure on his name that joined Bill Maher,
and I applaud Bill Maher for having that conversation himself.
Being an atheist, but he's not connecting all the dots
here as to where that value system and structure comes from.
It is the Judeo Christian work ethic set of values,
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sense of right and wrong, of justice, of equality. These
do stem back to the time of Christ. Jesus was
a Jew himself. I remind many of my friends that
why am I so supportive of Israel and of our
Jewish brothers and sisters, Because, as Charlie Kirk saw it,
and I agree with him, you know, we are all
part of the same family. We might have different, very
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different opinions on who Jesus was and what he represented.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Was he the Savior? Was he the Messiah? That Jewish
people do not believe that, But it doesn't mean that
we don't.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Share a system and structure of values that the atheistic
and I'm not putting Bill Maher in this category, but
those who would supplant that are doing so with intent
and purpose. This is where the communist ideology comes from.
It is erasure of Judaeo Christian work ethic values and
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replacing it with the power of the state, with the
state as its own religion, with nihilism, atheism, apathy, ascending
to power. Now you can trace back to the fall
of Rome of that empire with that type of nihilistic behavior,
that there is nothing more important than one's self, that
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the world revolves around you, that you serve no higher
purpose or power, that the the only thing you are
seeking in this life is your own advancement, pleasure, selfish pursuits.
And you can see where that might lead down a
path of destruction. Now I illustrate that with these points,
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because these are very intelligent people having this conversation, and
I just want to have you be tuned into that
and you can respond five seven seven thirty nine. Looking
to get that word from you on the text line.
But I want to go back now to Norm MacDonald,
who I thought was a clarion call for a lot
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of us, and he did it with this ridiculous sense
of humor that many of us, myself included, really admired
and liked. But he did it in such a smart
way that it didn't come off like he was trying
to be smart, if that makes sense, Like he's not
condescending to you from I'm just so much more informed,
and I'm going to make sure you know it. I'm
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more intelligent than you.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
He just was.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Norm just was.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
He was one of the most comfortable people in his
own skin that I've ever seen from a performer. And
I've heard this from comedians that I've had conversations with,
including one of my favorites that I've ever spoken to
on this program, Jaymore, who.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Looked up to Norm, who does a spot on Norm
MacDonald impression.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
But every comedian I talked to about Norm MacDonald revers him,
both as a comedian and as a person behind the
scenes and as a friend. I have not encountered a
single comeding. I didn't like Norm he was a jerk,
because that's just not who he was. And you get
a sense of that. This is a fascinating interview. It
took place in Canada, and his brother was actually, I think,
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like a news reporter and still is.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He's still alive. North brother is still alive, and he.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Is married to Joyce Napier, who was the host of
this Canadian news program. And here are a couple of
those exchanges here in which Norm talks about Donald Trump. Now,
was Norm quote unquote one of us, meaning if you're
right of center like I am, like Kelly is, like
many of you are. I don't know that he was entirely,
but what I do know is he wasn't one of
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that whatever that is, like we're gonna pile on Trump
Orange man bad.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He's the root of all evil.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Norm was just smarter than that. He wanted to think
more nuanced than that. And it's not like he worshiped
at the altar of Trump. But I think there was
a part of Norm that really got Trump, that understood Trump,
the phenomenon of Trump, why people would support him.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And I want you to hear this.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
He met Donald Trump when he was on the Tonight Show,
on Jimmy Fallon Show. That now, tell us about that
encounter you had with Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, I'd met Donald Trump many many times in New
York City, just because when I was on the Saturday
I Live. He is a fixture in New York City
and he come to a lot of the shows, and
it was just a local eccentric you know that people
mostly loved in New York because he fixed the rink
in Central Park when the city couldn't true. But you know,
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when I was on Jimmy Fallon, he was. That's when
he was. That's when Jimmy Fallon tussled his hair and
and got in trouble for it. And I was the
other guest. So I was just down in the hallway
and I said, Donald, can I have a picture? You
could call him Donald? Then I guess you can still
call him Donald. We don't have to call him president apparently,
But I said, can I get a picture with you?
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And he said, yeah, absolutely sure, Norham, and then he
walked down the hall and got in the elevator with
a secret service guy. So, but he was just doing
it as a joke. A lot of times. The problem
with Kennedy, said our political cannedy said, do comedy is
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obviously comedy doesn't translate well to the page. Sometimes, you know,
sarcasm was lost obviously, and things like that. So so
if someone says something that's meant self disparagingly or satirically
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and you want to take it out of context, you can,
And that happened a lot of times with Trump. On
the Capantrail.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Norm's having this conversation with his sister in law a
reminder there, and he goes on to comment on this
is so clutch, and this is what I've been talking about,
contempt for the audience and contempt for your subject does
not translate well in comedy, And where do I get
that analysis from Norm McDonald?
Speaker 10 (13:35):
But you know he's being caricatured on Saturday Night Life,
like quite mercilessly by Alec Baldwin, Like is it funny
to you? Is that funny?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
No? The only reason I know if I have funny
When I was there, Darryl Hammond did Donald Trump and
then shows how far back Trump goes because that was
twenty years ago. But Darryl did him then it was
a softer Trump. You know, I think it was a
Trump that is a lot closer to his real self.
But if you do the problem, if you do an
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impression of someone, you have to like that person, you know,
because you're playing the person and people like themselves. So
you can't play someone and have contempt for them at
the same time. You know, it doesn't work as an impression.
So I don't like I don't like his impression, and
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I have no political affiliation, and I just mean from
a comedy, from a comedy.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Level, he's right on the money, He's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And Norm, he didn't do a lot of impressions, but
one that I enjoyed that I thought he did quite well,
was Larry King, and Norm loved Larry King. He would
go on with Larry King. I think he would impersonate
Larry King to Larry King. But it came from a
place of affection, at least in part where you can empathize.
That's what a lot of these narcissistic sociopaths like Alec
Baldwin cannot do, are not capable of doing. And so
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it's a there's a meanness to the portrayal. And I'm
so glad that Norm in this clip brings up Daryl
Hammond because it just so happens that yours truly had
the chance to interview Daryl Hammond and ask him about
his Trump portrayal and working with Donald Trump. And listen
carefully to how Daryl Hammond characterizes that interaction. Now, Darryl,
looking back, there's one other impersonation that you did that
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drew a lot of traction, and it's the current President
of the United States, Donald Trump. In fact, you appeared
in several sketches with him when he would guest host
on the program. What was that experience like and what
was it like to work with President Trump behind the scenes?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
How was he personally with you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggado show thing that people sort of.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Associate with it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
He was there and he told me one day that
I said, why do you come? You come later and
you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He said, well, listen, I can't act.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I got to figure out a way to be
funny out here, you know, with words that somebody else wrote.
And he goes, I think, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to add lib paraphrase once in a while,
like I'll say something off script. And I thought, you know,
it worked because you realize the more authentic you are,
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the funnier you are. And so he sort of intuitively
understood that, and you know, sure enough he went out
and had a.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Really great show.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But the thing about doing a guy with the guy
is the second they walk out, they change.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
They're not talking, They're not talking the way they were
talking a few minutes ago down on the floor. When
they see you doing them face to face, they change,
and then you have to change with them, and then
all of a sudden. It's the static electricity of two
people trying to not be what, you know, what they
were a few minutes ago. You know, I did my
best with that.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
But he came out there with a whole.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
New speech pattern, but threw me off quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Such brilliant insight from one of Saturday Night Live's greatest
of all time, Darryl Hammond. One of my favorite interviews
that I've done of a comedian on this program, Kelly
real quick, who is your favorite comedian that's appeared on
this program?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
With?
Speaker 11 (17:23):
Definitely j Morrison there for sure. I did enjoy your
interview with Craig Robinson.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, and that was really neat. That was surprise, and
he wished me happy birthday and.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
He's sang it to him Manny's sang it, so could.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You imagine it'll never happen?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
It makes me sad if we ever had had Norm
McDonald on the show, I don't know that I'd be
able to contain myself as a fanboy.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You're awesome, tell us why?
Speaker 11 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean, for sure, he was just one of
a kind. And yes, and the thing about it is
he would have come on your show.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think so would be sure he would.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It would have been fascinating.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, you know, he gives thoughtful answers and responses. You
could hear him on with his sister in law there
and there is a way. It's not that again, norm
had this fealty to Donald Trump at all. But listen
to this joke from the nineties. This is hilarious. And
this is because people like Kelly, people like me, people
like many of you. We have a sense of humor
about Donald Trump because we know he's bodacious, he's over
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the top, he's braggadocious, as Daryl Hammond pointed to and
this just fits the script right there.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Real estate mogul Donald Trump and asked this week that
after three and a half years of marriage, he is
seeking a divorce from wife Marlon Naples. According to Trump,
Maples violated part of their marriage agreement when she decided
to turn thirty.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So, see, Kelly, there's a way to do it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's funny, right, Yeah, And I think even Donald Trump
himself would have laughed at that.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
You know who else was really good on your show, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Lissou Love Jamie and the story that he told about
his down and out times in the dating circuit. Yes,
and then he does Erica, who we've met you and I.
But the real short version of that one, as we
go to break here is he's kind of down now
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coming out of his divorce.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
He lost a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He's got some kids, got to share custody of it's
way up in Alaska, and he was getting some chatter
online that Emily Campano, who's lovely in every way and
really awesome, was laughing at all of his jokes when
they were together on Gutfeld and why don't you ask
her out?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It seems like she likes you.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, and he did and she said no, and he told.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Us about it on this show. Credit to him. But
look at this, she's on Fox News right now. Look
at that just turned the TV.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
She said no in the most classic respectful way. That
did not hurt his feeling of because he goes up
to her, he tells the story about how, you know,
why don't you and I go for drinks sometimes like that,
and that she responds with, oh, wow, yeah, that would
be a great idea if we all went out for
drink something.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Yes, the entire yes, the entire staff.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I thought it was very well handled. Classy by Emily component.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
Very much so.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
And then if you remember when we went to his
show at Comedy Works, that was the first night he
actually met Erica, his soon to be wife.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That was the first time.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Then the second time, we were also there and we
went backstage green room, and that's the first time that
they were together after he proposed to her.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I told him, and he agreed with me.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I represent a lot of highlights of Jamie's life over
the last cost.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting that we were.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
We were there both times for different different reasons. But yeah,
and of course, uh, who's the guy that we saw
in Colorado Springs Jimmy Pharah. He was good.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He was really great guy, great guy.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
These are the kind of guys that I really root
for because I can genuinely tell you that behind the
scenes they're like the same person that they are on
the screen or on the stage, and that there's good
guys that are easy to get along with, easy to
talk to well.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
And also Jamie Lissau actually was in and did Twist
view when Leela.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I wasn't here. I know he's promised me he's going
to come in studio with me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, we'll hold him to that. Yeah we will, but
yeah and you will Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Okay five seven seven three nine, just work.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Comedy and politics intersect and a lot of times that
at prism that a comedian puts on a political figure.
It can be critical, it can be funny, it can
be cutting.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
But it doesn't have to be nasty.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And that's where I think the difference was between Norm
MacDonald Daryl Hammond on one hand, and Alec Baldwin's portrayal
on the other.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Well, take this time.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'll come back your text five seven to seven three nine.
Valdemar Archiletta, my good friend, the former president of the
log Cabin Republicans of Colorado. He was at the Central
State Committee meeting on Saturday. There's a lot that went down.
Not a lot of people are talking to me. I
did get a text from Sheriff Steve Reamsweld County. We'll
get to all of it when we come back after this.
You're listening to Ryan schuling life. Well, that call has
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not been answered by various factions within the Colorado Republican Party.
That might represent the band that who are singing about
there joined together?
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Can we do this? Apparently not?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Apparently not Central state committee meeting over the weekend. Our
next guest was there, as was Sheriff Steve Reemsweld County,
who texted me the following quote, I was at that
blank mess of a meeting that was awful.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
And he goes into greater detail here.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And the opt out doesn't close the primary to only
Republican voters. The Republican candidates would be picked at the
county and state assemblies, and the Republican voters would have
no vote in the process. While I'm with Sheriff Reems
on that, maybe it make me a moderate, I think
my next guess.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Is where I am too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm okay with closing the primary to only Republican voters.
I don't like the meddling that goes on. We saw
that in like the New Hampshire primary for president with
Nicki Haley and a bunch of you know, Democrats. Oh,
I'm an affiliated, I'm an independent coming in and trying
to muck up the works for Trump. I'm not about that,
but I do want to have a primary where I
get to vote. Valdimar chall Letter our guest, former president
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of the Colorado log camer Republicans.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Val how you doing man? I am doing great? How
are you okay?
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Sheriff Rames called this a blank mess of a meeting.
How would you describe it?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
I think he was being polite.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Great, all right? What happened? What the hell going on there?
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Yeah? So, I know we don't have a lot of time.
I told you I can go on about this for
two hours. So far, I'll keep it brief. It did start, though,
on a positive note. Danielle Driinsky came out and she
gave a whole impassionate speech about unity and she is amazing,
and then that was it. It went down from there
like that initial beginning. Danielle did an amazing job. Britta
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came out our Colorado chair, Britta Horne of the Colorado GOP,
and she read a statement and I think this was
supposed to be unifying. However it was kind of there
was there was some finger pointing and it was poking
the bear, uh there. And I don't I don't know
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everything that's going on with a lot of the lawfair
that's been happening in the state. Who's suing who, and
who's suing who back and who the state party is
suing and then they're suing them and so basically it
was kind of pointing the fingers at all of you,
suing me, you're the problem, you're bad people, and and
and so it kind of antagonized that side of the
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people in the crowd. So again it was like it
was calling for unity, but there was that underlying message
that just poked the bear. And then the meeting itself
was really not well run. And I know that the
State Party knew this was going to be a hot subject,
this was going to be a spicy meeting, and so
I don't know if there was some nervousness around what
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was going to happen. There were a lot of procedural
mistakes done throughout the meeting. We had a new parliamentary,
well not a new I don't know, but there was
a different parliamentarian than usual. Normally it's Gregory Carlson, who
is amazing, but he's running for a county commissioner in
Fremont County, so he couldn't do it. So they got
someone else. And this guy just did not really seem
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like he fully knew what was going on, or he
was overwhelmed by the whole process, because you know, the
parliamentarian is supposed to be there to make sure things
run smoothly, answer the questions like what do we do next?
How do we handle this? And he was overwhelmed and
so that did not help the whole meeting.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That Here's what I wish would have happened in the
aftermatha whatever went down. Yeah, you know Britta Horn very
fond of her personally. As I've stated, she's the chair,
she's the boss. Buck stops with her. Yes, come out today.
Do every media hit and interview that you can do,
control and drive the narrative from the top. Do not
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wait for that to come to you. This is p
R one O one Valdemore. I don't I'm not telling
you anything you don't know, but working in sports and politics,
I have when you let a story kind of manifest
itself and go into the void, go dark in commentating
on this, then you let your opponents drive, dictate, determine,
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and find the narrative.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
This is not going to just go away. Se Yeah, now,
I completely agree. It happened Saturday. They had all day yesterday.
Today they should be everywhere letting people know what happened.
So that happened. And again I don't think I am
alst i like Britta. Some at the end of like
someone yelled at who voted for Brita. I raised my
hand and they called me an idiot. But that's fine.
I'm okay. This was kind of a mess, but but
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not just that like that. If that would alone was
the issue, it would be fine. But there was a
large portion of people who kind of took over the meeting.
And now, to be fair, this happens all the time
no matter who the chairperson is. People did it to
Dave Pete, people did it kb You know, when you
don't like who the chair is, you go up there
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and you know, and you do your whole thing point
of personal privilege. I motion this, I motion that, point
of order, and you know, stuff to just kind of
mess things up and make things take longer, and and
and do that.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Let me put a fine point on this part of it, though.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So there was supposed to be a determination or a
vote with a certain percentage of the Central State Committee
as to whether or not they would close the primary
and have the candidates be selected at an assembly rather
than through the primary process.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
But I'm told that that vote never even.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Came to me, never happened, And a lot of this
because the schedule was completely changed. And so I don't
have you ever seen videos of when like left wing
protesters go in and a mob takes over a city
council meeting. Sure it was like that, and so so
that happened. And I will say this one positive note.
(28:07):
Richard Holdtorff, I felt did a very good job.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
He's advice chair.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Yes, he was trying to maintain peace between between things happening,
and so maybe not perfect, but he did a good
job of kind of stepping in. It's like, all right,
we need to like settle this down and do what
we need to do. Yeah. One of the worst parts was, though,
like despite all of that, if we actually accomplished something,
maybe it would have been all right. But the fact
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that all that happened and nothing was really accomplished because
also they only had the room. We only had the
room until one o'clock, and we ended up staying till two.
I was gonna say, I'm a night and it started
at nine, which should have been plenty of times should
have been. But we know these things never go smoothly,
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and so it should have been known this is going
to take longer than one o'clock.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
One quick question yes, the anti establishment types that maybe
close off the entire candidate selection process to the assembly.
Why are they against having a primary but have it
be Republican voters only did they articulate that.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
No, we didn't. We had no discussion about that. We
never even got to that question, So there was no
discussion for that. And what I do think is kind
of like what I'm Sheriff Raems mentioned to you, because
I'm on the same point. I'm not happy with the
open primary, but I also think shutting it off to
like nine hundred and thirty thousand registered Republicans and just
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allowing a small group of people to make all the
decisions is also not the solution. So it's like one
extreme or the other, That's what I'm saying. So there
is and I don't know all about this either, but
there is a lawsuit that is supposed to be happening
stating that the open primary system is unconstitutional. And if
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that works, then it would go back to just Republicans
vote in our primary, just Democrats vote in their primary.
I think that's a better solution, but it's not as immediately.
I think a lot of people will want a solution
right now, and that's not it. So that's why we're
going with this opt out. And by the way, it
could be, we could allow all nine hundred and thirty
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six thousand Republicans to vote, but we as a party
would have to pay for mailing all those out tallying
them up, and that would cost millions of dollars. So
the cheap way to solve the problem is just to
do it in assembly. When I think last time in
twenty four, there were about three thousand ish people there,
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So of the nine hundred and thirty six thousand registered
Republicans in the state, only three thousand make that decision.
I don't think that's the solution either. No, I don't either,
And so yeah, it was. It was just a big mess.
And I said the worst part was that there was
no solution because one thing that was voted on is
it was voted to approve the resolution from the twenty
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twenty four state Convention that approved the opt out of
the Colorado primary with a ninety percent pass. So the
confusion now is some people are taking that and making
the argument that we did vote to opt out on Saturday,
and I can see that reasoning, But then there's the
other side where it's like, all right, what which vote counts? Though,
Because according to state law, you need a seventy five
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percent vote and this isn't our bi laws, this is
the state You must have seventy five percent of the
State Central Committee vote to do this. We did not
have that on Saturday. But the vote that we read,
the one we approved, had a ninety percent, So which
one counts? But then there's also the argument that it's
the state Central Committee that's supposed to make that decision,
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not a state Assembly. So did the one in twenty
twenty four even count? So right now there's confusion, and
that's I think the state Party is going with. It
didn't count on the second scenario there what's probably gonna
happen is this is going to go to court. There's
gonna be a lawsuit, and there's gonna be a big mess.
It's not over, it's not settled. And I heard a
rumor today that and when the meeting ended, like you said,
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it was rushed. I do want to give a quick
shout out to to Priscilla Ron. She was the head
of the Teller Committee and she was awesome. At one
point she had to put her teacher head on, and
she said it nicer than this was basically like though,
shut up, I'm just dating facts. Listen to me. And
everyone did like get close, all right, all right, because
(32:29):
they were arguings like you can't argue this, shut up,
these are just the facts. Just listen to them and
we'll move on. But she like she stated, like the
whole the results of the voting, of the different other
things that happened. But then there was no clarification as
to what that meant. The meeting just ended. And I've
heard today that according to like how the meeting should
(32:50):
end is you make emotion to adjourn. You have that
whole process and then the median and a journey that
didn't happen. So someone said today technically we're still committee. Yeah,
so maybe we can have a zoom call and finish
this meeting. All right.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't think that's gonna happen, but well, we'll let
you get to that zoom meeting. Valdemar, And thanks for
doing the work that many of us would have a
big headache in having to navigate. And I'm glad you
were there, and I'm glad you were here, so thanks
for taking some time with us here today.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, it was, you know, at least it wasn't boring.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Valdimar Archuletta, former President of the Colorado log Cabinet Republicans,
and that really didn't solve anything. So the meeting is
not adjourned. It continues. We'll see where it picks up.
Hopefully we'll get word from Britta Horn and the leadership
of the Colorado Republican Party soon other than just the
statement that they've issued rounding out the show. After this,
you're listening to Ryan schuling life. All right, we're here.
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side of things Seria, Colorado, and one of them just
joined me in Valdemar Archiletta. I don't feel any better
about things after that conversation, not that it was Valdemar's fault.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I don't want to shoot the messenger.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I tell Kelly that all the time, because Kelly, you
tell me a lot of unpleasant things about the shows,
and sometimes when I'm trying to get updates.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, it's not your fault. It isn't. That's just what
I'm trying to say. Five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
This Texter says, perhaps now you understand why this sixty
plus year old Colorado native who has never voted other
than Republican has become so torqued off who good use
of that word torked off with this state Republican party
that I'm now unaffiliated. Just can't abide by folks like this.
Can't blame you, but what I would say is you
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got to stay in the trenches and stay in that fight.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
And if the compromised verdict here, which I think it
will be, is that we vote in our own primaries
as Republican registered Republican voters, then I'm okay with that.
But I don't want a dark, smoke filled room with
glad handings, cigar shomping folks, you know, nominating candidates on
our behalf.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I want that vote. Kelly wants that vote, yes, and
I think you want that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Voting, And I vote that you tune in and stay
tuned for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
This has been Ryan Schuling Live
You know Norm McDonald, the comedian of course, of course,
greatest comedian probably ever. I didn't know him really, but
he and I we would write each other long letters
on Twitter DMS for weeks. This is the strangest thing
because I saw he was following me on Twitter and
he wasn't following a lot of people. And I was
a huge fan of his, so I didn't even want
to message him. I was so and one time he
(00:22):
sent out a tweet and it sounded kind of despairing.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now we know he was dying of cancer.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I thought I thought it was suicidal or I just
sent him a note said I feel bad if I didn't.
I said, hey, Norm, a huge fan of yours. If
I can be of any help, I don't know that
I can, but I'd be happy to. And we started
writing each other these letters and yeah, for for weeks,
every night, just for weeks, long essays really to.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Norm McDonald on Twitter DM. Is weird. This is one
of the stranger and.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
He he would do this thing where he'd say, Michael, hey,
I can't I can't do it, ray Norm. So uh,
it would be prideful for me not to take you
up on your offer, because Michael, I'm not an educated man.
You're an educated man. I'm an undergraduate degree. I'm not
an educated man. I didn't really go to college. And uh,
and then he would he would do this thing where
(01:13):
he'd make it seem like he's just some old chunk
of cole not that, and then he'd use a word
that I didn't know. He's certainly much better read than
I am, and loved the Russian novelists. And we were
talking about religion basically the whole time. And he said
to me, I don't know. I still don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's particular, the particulars of all of his religious views.
But he said, yeah for me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I told him how I converted reverted, and he said, ah,
yeah for me, I just I've just always known the
Bible's true.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just always knew. I just i'd read it. I
just knew. So anyway, that's it. And I thought, well,
that's that's the better that's the better way.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's it's like Christ to Thomas the Apostle. He says,
you know, blessed her you you've seen and believed, But
blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, And that was Norm. And yeah, that's another.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Example too of you think, okay, the whole culture and
all these smart people are atheists. Norm is one of
the smartest pop culture figures that's been around every decades.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, but he knew. It's just like everyone kind of knows.
Deep down, everyone kind of knows. That's totally right.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Michael Knowles of Daily Wire on with Tucker Carlson, I
found that exchange fascinating in kind of getting behind the
curtain of who Norm MacDonald really was. And for those
of you that listened to the show regularly, welcome back
Ryan Schuling Live. One, you know, I'm a big fan
of comedy, of improv, of sketch comedy, of stand up comedy.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
And two, I'm a big fan of comedians.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You'll hear a lot of them on this program, probably
far more than you'll hear on any other show, certainly
in Denver, because I admire that craft. And I was
just talking over the weekend with friends of mine as
I went to see Craig Robinson at Comedy Works South
and his show was very entertaining, But just how much
I admire that stand and deliver apparatus that a comedian
(03:07):
has to put him or herself on the line in
front of an audience. That's mentality at that moment is
I've had a rough day, I've had a rough week.
Make me laugh, clown and you get a past fail
grade right on the spot. You're either funny or you're not,
and you get that reaction from the audience. And to me,
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there's really nothing like it because you're interacting with the audience.
It's different even than if you are a stage actor
actress in theater, which is a noble craft and I've
always admired people that do that, or if you maybe
do a show like this one, and I'm speaking with
all of you and I cherish that. But you know,
you can listen, you can turn off the radio. I
(03:48):
won't know, I don't see you. We're not on that
level of instant spontaneity, read and react past fail grade.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
So I think, in my view, the stand up.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Comedy is the most difficult performance art Barnett Barnett, that's
just my opinion. But even point free through all of
that kind of feel like Steve Martin here, and he's
one of my favorites, but Norm Norm was different. Norm
MacDonald was my favorite for so many reasons, and his
death struck me harder than most celebrity deaths due because.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
We need a Norm MacDonald right now.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Comedians are supposed to be the truth tellers, and nobody
could influence Norm. Norm was his own guy, and whatever
he thought, he would share that with whoever. And the
fact that he reached out to Michael Knowles followed him.
Michael Knowles matches them back and forth, and they had
this conversation about religion, of all things. It undergirds a
(04:48):
lot of what I've been saying, and no, I'm not
going to turn this into Ryan's revival. I know a
lot of you listeners have texted me and maybe you
are fearful of that, but I do think we live
at a time, at a pressure point, especially with this
shooting over the weekend in Grand Blank in my home
state of Michigan at the LDS Latter day Saints Church Mormons,
where there's a crisis of spirituality in this country is
(05:11):
however you define it. But if you believe in nothing,
that in and of itself is a belief and it
comes from somewhere. And I thought Ben Shapiro did a
really good job of outlining that for Bill Maher here. Now,
these are two very intelligent men. But listen to this
whole exchange, and I think it'll explain in great detail
(05:32):
and accuracy exactly where I'm coming from on this, which
is with Ben Shapiro on it.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Why do you and I agree on morality? Like eighty
seven point five percent? I'm a religious Jew, you're an atheist.
Why do we agree on those things? I mean, I
give you my answer please, because we probably grew up
a few miles from each other in a Western society
that has several thousand years of biblical.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
History behind it.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
And so you can think that you hit that triple
and you formed your own morality, but the reality is
you were born morally on third base.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
No we okay, we got.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
We got that morality from the Enlightenment, which was an
anti religious movement.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Founding Fathers.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
They weren't religious people, they were deists, they weren't particularly Christy.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Thomas Jefferson used the morality of the Bible, and he was.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Riving all the miracles out of the Bible. Yes, he
literally ordered vision of the Bible about the miracles.
Speaker 9 (06:25):
Last time I was here, and you were talking about
all of Jesus's teachings and how this was really radical
new stuff, right, and how and how it changed.
Speaker 7 (06:33):
Basic philosophy, yes, and how and how?
Speaker 9 (06:35):
Without that, I mean, I think it's worth understanding that
the pivot point in history when we talk about Judeo
Christian ethics, but more specifically Christian ethics, what a turning
point in history that represented, for within the Roman Empire
and beyond in terms of in terms of medicine, in
terms of care for the widow and the orphan, much
of what we would consider to be sort of good
moral ethical behavior was not in fact a commonplace or
(06:57):
mainstream thing several centuries ago. And so I think, to
point some of it, why.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
Do we still do it? Why do we still admire it?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Because?
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I mean because cut flowers die, meaning that if the
flower is the result of the route, and then you
cut the flower, you can live on with a second
or humanistic more. I'd be a moral person and be
a good person, but it does not systemically maintain.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And Shapiro was exactly right, and so is that Christian
minister I'm not sure on his name that joined Bill Maher,
and I applaud Bill Maher for having that conversation himself.
Being an atheist, but he's not connecting all the dots
here as to where that value system and structure comes from.
It is the Judeo Christian work ethic set of values,
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sense of right and wrong, of justice, of equality. These
do stem back to the time of Christ. Jesus was
a Jew himself. I remind many of my friends that
why am I so supportive of Israel and of our
Jewish brothers and sisters, Because, as Charlie Kirk saw it,
and I agree with him, you know, we are all
part of the same family. We might have different, very
(08:00):
different opinions on who Jesus was and what he represented.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Was he the Savior? Was he the Messiah? That Jewish
people do not believe that, But it doesn't mean that
we don't.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Share a system and structure of values that the atheistic
and I'm not putting Bill Maher in this category, but
those who would supplant that are doing so with intent
and purpose. This is where the communist ideology comes from.
It is erasure of Judaeo Christian work ethic values and
(08:30):
replacing it with the power of the state, with the
state as its own religion, with nihilism, atheism, apathy, ascending
to power. Now you can trace back to the fall
of Rome of that empire with that type of nihilistic behavior,
that there is nothing more important than one's self, that
(08:54):
the world revolves around you, that you serve no higher
purpose or power, that the the only thing you are
seeking in this life is your own advancement, pleasure, selfish pursuits.
And you can see where that might lead down a
path of destruction. Now I illustrate that with these points,
(09:14):
because these are very intelligent people having this conversation, and
I just want to have you be tuned into that
and you can respond five seven seven thirty nine. Looking
to get that word from you on the text line.
But I want to go back now to Norm MacDonald,
who I thought was a clarion call for a lot
(09:34):
of us, and he did it with this ridiculous sense
of humor that many of us, myself included, really admired
and liked. But he did it in such a smart
way that it didn't come off like he was trying
to be smart, if that makes sense, Like he's not
condescending to you from I'm just so much more informed,
and I'm going to make sure you know it. I'm
(09:56):
more intelligent than you.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
He just was.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Norm just was.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
He was one of the most comfortable people in his
own skin that I've ever seen from a performer. And
I've heard this from comedians that I've had conversations with,
including one of my favorites that I've ever spoken to
on this program, Jaymore, who.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Looked up to Norm, who does a spot on Norm
MacDonald impression.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
But every comedian I talked to about Norm MacDonald revers him,
both as a comedian and as a person behind the
scenes and as a friend. I have not encountered a
single comeding. I didn't like Norm he was a jerk,
because that's just not who he was. And you get
a sense of that. This is a fascinating interview. It
took place in Canada, and his brother was actually, I think,
(10:39):
like a news reporter and still is.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He's still alive. North brother is still alive, and he.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Is married to Joyce Napier, who was the host of
this Canadian news program. And here are a couple of
those exchanges here in which Norm talks about Donald Trump. Now,
was Norm quote unquote one of us, meaning if you're
right of center like I am, like Kelly is, like
many of you are. I don't know that he was entirely,
but what I do know is he wasn't one of
(11:06):
that whatever that is, like we're gonna pile on Trump
Orange man bad.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He's the root of all evil.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Norm was just smarter than that. He wanted to think
more nuanced than that. And it's not like he worshiped
at the altar of Trump. But I think there was
a part of Norm that really got Trump, that understood Trump,
the phenomenon of Trump, why people would support him.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And I want you to hear this.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
He met Donald Trump when he was on the Tonight Show,
on Jimmy Fallon Show. That now, tell us about that
encounter you had with Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Well, I'd met Donald Trump many many times in New
York City, just because when I was on the Saturday
I Live. He is a fixture in New York City
and he come to a lot of the shows, and
it was just a local eccentric you know that people
mostly loved in New York because he fixed the rink
in Central Park when the city couldn't true. But you know,
(12:02):
when I was on Jimmy Fallon, he was. That's when
he was. That's when Jimmy Fallon tussled his hair and
and got in trouble for it. And I was the
other guest. So I was just down in the hallway
and I said, Donald, can I have a picture? You
could call him Donald? Then I guess you can still
call him Donald. We don't have to call him president apparently,
But I said, can I get a picture with you?
(12:24):
And he said, yeah, absolutely sure, Norham, and then he
walked down the hall and got in the elevator with
a secret service guy. So, but he was just doing
it as a joke. A lot of times. The problem
with Kennedy, said our political cannedy said, do comedy is
(12:45):
obviously comedy doesn't translate well to the page. Sometimes, you know,
sarcasm was lost obviously, and things like that. So so
if someone says something that's meant self disparagingly or satirically
(13:08):
and you want to take it out of context, you can,
And that happened a lot of times with Trump. On
the Capantrail.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Norm's having this conversation with his sister in law a
reminder there, and he goes on to comment on this
is so clutch, and this is what I've been talking about,
contempt for the audience and contempt for your subject does
not translate well in comedy, And where do I get
that analysis from Norm McDonald?
Speaker 10 (13:35):
But you know he's being caricatured on Saturday Night Life,
like quite mercilessly by Alec Baldwin, Like is it funny
to you? Is that funny?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
No? The only reason I know if I have funny
When I was there, Darryl Hammond did Donald Trump and
then shows how far back Trump goes because that was
twenty years ago. But Darryl did him then it was
a softer Trump. You know, I think it was a
Trump that is a lot closer to his real self.
But if you do the problem, if you do an
(14:05):
impression of someone, you have to like that person, you know,
because you're playing the person and people like themselves. So
you can't play someone and have contempt for them at
the same time. You know, it doesn't work as an impression.
So I don't like I don't like his impression, and
(14:26):
I have no political affiliation, and I just mean from
a comedy, from a comedy.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Level, he's right on the money, He's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And Norm, he didn't do a lot of impressions, but
one that I enjoyed that I thought he did quite well,
was Larry King, and Norm loved Larry King. He would
go on with Larry King. I think he would impersonate
Larry King to Larry King. But it came from a
place of affection, at least in part where you can empathize.
That's what a lot of these narcissistic sociopaths like Alec
Baldwin cannot do, are not capable of doing. And so
(14:56):
it's a there's a meanness to the portrayal. And I'm
so glad that Norm in this clip brings up Daryl
Hammond because it just so happens that yours truly had
the chance to interview Daryl Hammond and ask him about
his Trump portrayal and working with Donald Trump. And listen
carefully to how Daryl Hammond characterizes that interaction. Now, Darryl,
looking back, there's one other impersonation that you did that
(15:19):
drew a lot of traction, and it's the current President
of the United States, Donald Trump. In fact, you appeared
in several sketches with him when he would guest host
on the program. What was that experience like and what
was it like to work with President Trump behind the scenes?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
How was he personally with you.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I enjoyed my time with him. He was very curious
and very insightful, and he worked really hard, and he
didn't see that braggado show thing that people sort of.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Associate with it.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
He was there and he told me one day that
I said, why do you come? You come later and
you stay later and come earlier than anyone ever.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He said, well, listen, I can't act.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I got to figure out a way to be
funny out here, you know, with words that somebody else wrote.
And he goes, I think, what I'm going to do
is I'm going to add lib paraphrase once in a while,
like I'll say something off script. And I thought, you know,
it worked because you realize the more authentic you are,
(16:26):
the funnier you are. And so he sort of intuitively
understood that, and you know, sure enough he went out
and had a.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Really great show.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But the thing about doing a guy with the guy
is the second they walk out, they change.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
They're not talking, They're not talking the way they were
talking a few minutes ago down on the floor. When
they see you doing them face to face, they change,
and then you have to change with them, and then
all of a sudden. It's the static electricity of two
people trying to not be what, you know, what they
were a few minutes ago. You know, I did my
best with that.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
But he came out there with a whole.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
New speech pattern, but threw me off quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Such brilliant insight from one of Saturday Night Live's greatest
of all time, Darryl Hammond. One of my favorite interviews
that I've done of a comedian on this program, Kelly
real quick, who is your favorite comedian that's appeared on
this program?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
With?
Speaker 11 (17:23):
Definitely j Morrison there for sure. I did enjoy your
interview with Craig Robinson.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yeah, and that was really neat. That was surprise, and
he wished me happy birthday and.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
He's sang it to him Manny's sang it, so could.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You imagine it'll never happen?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Now?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
It makes me sad if we ever had had Norm
McDonald on the show, I don't know that I'd be
able to contain myself as a fanboy.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
You're awesome, tell us why?
Speaker 11 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean, for sure, he was just one of
a kind. And yes, and the thing about it is
he would have come on your show.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think so would be sure he would.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
It would have been fascinating.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, you know, he gives thoughtful answers and responses. You
could hear him on with his sister in law there
and there is a way. It's not that again, norm
had this fealty to Donald Trump at all. But listen
to this joke from the nineties. This is hilarious. And
this is because people like Kelly, people like me, people
like many of you. We have a sense of humor
about Donald Trump because we know he's bodacious, he's over
(18:26):
the top, he's braggadocious, as Daryl Hammond pointed to and
this just fits the script right there.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Real estate mogul Donald Trump and asked this week that
after three and a half years of marriage, he is
seeking a divorce from wife Marlon Naples. According to Trump,
Maples violated part of their marriage agreement when she decided
to turn thirty.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So, see, Kelly, there's a way to do it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
That's funny, right, Yeah, And I think even Donald Trump
himself would have laughed at that.
Speaker 11 (18:58):
You know who else was really good on your show, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Lissou Love Jamie and the story that he told about
his down and out times in the dating circuit. Yes,
and then he does Erica, who we've met you and I.
But the real short version of that one, as we
go to break here is he's kind of down now
(19:21):
coming out of his divorce.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
He lost a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
He's got some kids, got to share custody of it's
way up in Alaska, and he was getting some chatter
online that Emily Campano, who's lovely in every way and
really awesome, was laughing at all of his jokes when
they were together on Gutfeld and why don't you ask
her out?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
It seems like she likes you.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, and he did and she said no, and he told.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Us about it on this show. Credit to him. But
look at this, she's on Fox News right now. Look
at that just turned the TV.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
She said no in the most classic respectful way. That
did not hurt his feeling of because he goes up
to her, he tells the story about how, you know,
why don't you and I go for drinks sometimes like that,
and that she responds with, oh, wow, yeah, that would
be a great idea if we all went out for
drink something.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
Yes, the entire yes, the entire staff.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I thought it was very well handled. Classy by Emily component.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
Very much so.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
And then if you remember when we went to his
show at Comedy Works, that was the first night he
actually met Erica, his soon to be wife.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
That was the first time.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Then the second time, we were also there and we
went backstage green room, and that's the first time that
they were together after he proposed to her.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I told him, and he agreed with me.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
I represent a lot of highlights of Jamie's life over
the last cost.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting that we were.
Speaker 11 (20:44):
We were there both times for different different reasons. But yeah,
and of course, uh, who's the guy that we saw
in Colorado Springs Jimmy Pharah. He was good.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He was really great guy, great guy.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
These are the kind of guys that I really root
for because I can genuinely tell you that behind the
scenes they're like the same person that they are on
the screen or on the stage, and that there's good
guys that are easy to get along with, easy to
talk to well.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
And also Jamie Lissau actually was in and did Twist
view when Leela.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I wasn't here. I know he's promised me he's going
to come in studio with me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, we'll hold him to that. Yeah we will, but
yeah and you will Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Okay five seven seven three nine, just work.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Comedy and politics intersect and a lot of times that
at prism that a comedian puts on a political figure.
It can be critical, it can be funny, it can
be cutting.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
But it doesn't have to be nasty.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And that's where I think the difference was between Norm
MacDonald Daryl Hammond on one hand, and Alec Baldwin's portrayal
on the other.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Well, take this time.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'll come back your text five seven to seven three nine.
Valdemar Archiletta, my good friend, the former president of the
log Cabin Republicans of Colorado. He was at the Central
State Committee meeting on Saturday. There's a lot that went down.
Not a lot of people are talking to me. I
did get a text from Sheriff Steve Reamsweld County. We'll
get to all of it when we come back after this.
You're listening to Ryan schuling life. Well, that call has
(22:18):
not been answered by various factions within the Colorado Republican Party.
That might represent the band that who are singing about
there joined together?
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Can we do this? Apparently not?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Apparently not Central state committee meeting over the weekend. Our
next guest was there, as was Sheriff Steve Reemsweld County,
who texted me the following quote, I was at that
blank mess of a meeting that was awful.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
And he goes into greater detail here.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And the opt out doesn't close the primary to only
Republican voters. The Republican candidates would be picked at the
county and state assemblies, and the Republican voters would have
no vote in the process. While I'm with Sheriff Reems
on that, maybe it make me a moderate, I think
my next guess.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Is where I am too.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm okay with closing the primary to only Republican voters.
I don't like the meddling that goes on. We saw
that in like the New Hampshire primary for president with
Nicki Haley and a bunch of you know, Democrats. Oh,
I'm an affiliated, I'm an independent coming in and trying
to muck up the works for Trump. I'm not about that,
but I do want to have a primary where I
get to vote. Valdimar chall Letter our guest, former president
(23:25):
of the Colorado log camer Republicans.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Val how you doing man? I am doing great? How
are you okay?
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Now?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Sheriff Rames called this a blank mess of a meeting.
How would you describe it?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
I think he was being polite.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Great, all right? What happened? What the hell going on there?
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Yeah? So, I know we don't have a lot of time.
I told you I can go on about this for
two hours. So far, I'll keep it brief. It did start, though,
on a positive note. Danielle Driinsky came out and she
gave a whole impassionate speech about unity and she is amazing,
and then that was it. It went down from there
like that initial beginning. Danielle did an amazing job. Britta
(24:04):
came out our Colorado chair, Britta Horne of the Colorado GOP,
and she read a statement and I think this was
supposed to be unifying. However it was kind of there
was there was some finger pointing and it was poking
the bear, uh there. And I don't I don't know
(24:25):
everything that's going on with a lot of the lawfair
that's been happening in the state. Who's suing who, and
who's suing who back and who the state party is
suing and then they're suing them and so basically it
was kind of pointing the fingers at all of you,
suing me, you're the problem, you're bad people, and and
and so it kind of antagonized that side of the
(24:46):
people in the crowd. So again it was like it
was calling for unity, but there was that underlying message
that just poked the bear. And then the meeting itself
was really not well run. And I know that the
State Party knew this was going to be a hot subject,
this was going to be a spicy meeting, and so
I don't know if there was some nervousness around what
(25:07):
was going to happen. There were a lot of procedural
mistakes done throughout the meeting. We had a new parliamentary,
well not a new I don't know, but there was
a different parliamentarian than usual. Normally it's Gregory Carlson, who
is amazing, but he's running for a county commissioner in
Fremont County, so he couldn't do it. So they got
someone else. And this guy just did not really seem
(25:27):
like he fully knew what was going on, or he
was overwhelmed by the whole process, because you know, the
parliamentarian is supposed to be there to make sure things
run smoothly, answer the questions like what do we do next?
How do we handle this? And he was overwhelmed and
so that did not help the whole meeting.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That Here's what I wish would have happened in the
aftermatha whatever went down. Yeah, you know Britta Horn very
fond of her personally. As I've stated, she's the chair,
she's the boss. Buck stops with her. Yes, come out today.
Do every media hit and interview that you can do,
control and drive the narrative from the top. Do not
(26:05):
wait for that to come to you. This is p
R one O one Valdemore. I don't I'm not telling
you anything you don't know, but working in sports and politics,
I have when you let a story kind of manifest
itself and go into the void, go dark in commentating
on this, then you let your opponents drive, dictate, determine,
(26:26):
and find the narrative.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
This is not going to just go away. Se Yeah, now,
I completely agree. It happened Saturday. They had all day yesterday.
Today they should be everywhere letting people know what happened.
So that happened. And again I don't think I am
alst i like Britta. Some at the end of like
someone yelled at who voted for Brita. I raised my
hand and they called me an idiot. But that's fine.
I'm okay. This was kind of a mess, but but
(26:52):
not just that like that. If that would alone was
the issue, it would be fine. But there was a
large portion of people who kind of took over the meeting.
And now, to be fair, this happens all the time
no matter who the chairperson is. People did it to
Dave Pete, people did it kb You know, when you
don't like who the chair is, you go up there
(27:14):
and you know, and you do your whole thing point
of personal privilege. I motion this, I motion that, point
of order, and you know, stuff to just kind of
mess things up and make things take longer, and and
and do that.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Let me put a fine point on this part of it, though.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
So there was supposed to be a determination or a
vote with a certain percentage of the Central State Committee
as to whether or not they would close the primary
and have the candidates be selected at an assembly rather
than through the primary process.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
But I'm told that that vote never even.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Came to me, never happened, And a lot of this
because the schedule was completely changed. And so I don't
have you ever seen videos of when like left wing
protesters go in and a mob takes over a city
council meeting. Sure it was like that, and so so
that happened. And I will say this one positive note.
(28:07):
Richard Holdtorff, I felt did a very good job.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
He's advice chair.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Yes, he was trying to maintain peace between between things happening,
and so maybe not perfect, but he did a good
job of kind of stepping in. It's like, all right,
we need to like settle this down and do what
we need to do. Yeah. One of the worst parts was, though,
like despite all of that, if we actually accomplished something,
maybe it would have been all right. But the fact
(28:31):
that all that happened and nothing was really accomplished because
also they only had the room. We only had the
room until one o'clock, and we ended up staying till two.
I was gonna say, I'm a night and it started
at nine, which should have been plenty of times should
have been. But we know these things never go smoothly,
(28:52):
and so it should have been known this is going
to take longer than one o'clock.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
One quick question yes, the anti establishment types that maybe
close off the entire candidate selection process to the assembly.
Why are they against having a primary but have it
be Republican voters only did they articulate that.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
No, we didn't. We had no discussion about that. We
never even got to that question, So there was no
discussion for that. And what I do think is kind
of like what I'm Sheriff Raems mentioned to you, because
I'm on the same point. I'm not happy with the
open primary, but I also think shutting it off to
like nine hundred and thirty thousand registered Republicans and just
(29:31):
allowing a small group of people to make all the
decisions is also not the solution. So it's like one
extreme or the other, That's what I'm saying. So there
is and I don't know all about this either, but
there is a lawsuit that is supposed to be happening
stating that the open primary system is unconstitutional. And if
(29:52):
that works, then it would go back to just Republicans
vote in our primary, just Democrats vote in their primary.
I think that's a better solution, but it's not as immediately.
I think a lot of people will want a solution
right now, and that's not it. So that's why we're
going with this opt out. And by the way, it
could be, we could allow all nine hundred and thirty
(30:13):
six thousand Republicans to vote, but we as a party
would have to pay for mailing all those out tallying
them up, and that would cost millions of dollars. So
the cheap way to solve the problem is just to
do it in assembly. When I think last time in
twenty four, there were about three thousand ish people there,
(30:35):
So of the nine hundred and thirty six thousand registered
Republicans in the state, only three thousand make that decision.
I don't think that's the solution either. No, I don't either,
And so yeah, it was. It was just a big mess.
And I said the worst part was that there was
no solution because one thing that was voted on is
it was voted to approve the resolution from the twenty
(30:57):
twenty four state Convention that approved the opt out of
the Colorado primary with a ninety percent pass. So the
confusion now is some people are taking that and making
the argument that we did vote to opt out on Saturday,
and I can see that reasoning, But then there's the
other side where it's like, all right, what which vote counts? Though,
Because according to state law, you need a seventy five
(31:20):
percent vote and this isn't our bi laws, this is
the state You must have seventy five percent of the
State Central Committee vote to do this. We did not
have that on Saturday. But the vote that we read,
the one we approved, had a ninety percent, So which
one counts? But then there's also the argument that it's
the state Central Committee that's supposed to make that decision,
(31:42):
not a state Assembly. So did the one in twenty
twenty four even count? So right now there's confusion, and
that's I think the state Party is going with. It
didn't count on the second scenario there what's probably gonna
happen is this is going to go to court. There's
gonna be a lawsuit, and there's gonna be a big mess.
It's not over, it's not settled. And I heard a
rumor today that and when the meeting ended, like you said,
(32:06):
it was rushed. I do want to give a quick
shout out to to Priscilla Ron. She was the head
of the Teller Committee and she was awesome. At one
point she had to put her teacher head on, and
she said it nicer than this was basically like though,
shut up, I'm just dating facts. Listen to me. And
everyone did like get close, all right, all right, because
(32:29):
they were arguings like you can't argue this, shut up,
these are just the facts. Just listen to them and
we'll move on. But she like she stated, like the
whole the results of the voting, of the different other
things that happened. But then there was no clarification as
to what that meant. The meeting just ended. And I've
heard today that according to like how the meeting should
(32:50):
end is you make emotion to adjourn. You have that
whole process and then the median and a journey that
didn't happen. So someone said today technically we're still committee. Yeah,
so maybe we can have a zoom call and finish
this meeting. All right.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I don't think that's gonna happen, but well, we'll let
you get to that zoom meeting. Valdemar, And thanks for
doing the work that many of us would have a
big headache in having to navigate. And I'm glad you
were there, and I'm glad you were here, so thanks
for taking some time with us here today.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, it was, you know, at least it wasn't boring.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Valdimar Archuletta, former President of the Colorado log Cabinet Republicans,
and that really didn't solve anything. So the meeting is
not adjourned. It continues. We'll see where it picks up.
Hopefully we'll get word from Britta Horn and the leadership
of the Colorado Republican Party soon other than just the
statement that they've issued rounding out the show. After this,
you're listening to Ryan schuling life. All right, we're here.
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(35:14):
side of things Seria, Colorado, and one of them just
joined me in Valdemar Archiletta. I don't feel any better
about things after that conversation, not that it was Valdemar's fault.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
I don't want to shoot the messenger.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I tell Kelly that all the time, because Kelly, you
tell me a lot of unpleasant things about the shows,
and sometimes when I'm trying to get updates.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, it's not your fault. It isn't. That's just what
I'm trying to say. Five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
This Texter says, perhaps now you understand why this sixty
plus year old Colorado native who has never voted other
than Republican has become so torqued off who good use
of that word torked off with this state Republican party
that I'm now unaffiliated. Just can't abide by folks like this.
Can't blame you, but what I would say is you
(35:58):
got to stay in the trenches and stay in that fight.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
And if the compromised verdict here, which I think it
will be, is that we vote in our own primaries
as Republican registered Republican voters, then I'm okay with that.
But I don't want a dark, smoke filled room with
glad handings, cigar shomping folks, you know, nominating candidates on
our behalf.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I want that vote. Kelly wants that vote, yes, and
I think you want that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Voting, And I vote that you tune in and stay
tuned for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
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