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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All three h three seven, one three eight two five
five seven one three talk. I'll tell you what, Which
one do I want to do? Which one do I
want to do? I want to do this one.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I don't understand soccer, all right, I don't. I don't
get soccer. Don't understand soccer. Soccer is wonderful. I think
soccer is a spectacular sport for little kids and Europeans.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Any any sport where you can't.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Use your hands, it makes no sense to me. There
kicking the ball to each other. Here'll kick it to you. No,
you kick it to me when you kick it and
just pick up the thing and throw it rugby, I
get rugby, get pick it up. The other thing I
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don't understand about soccer well, first of all, outside of
this country, they call it football like it's got anything
to do with your foot. What I don't get is
how crazy some of the hooligans get. Hooligans are the
people who go crazy and get violent during football matches.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It happens all right now.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Britain is a safe place, right.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's not a safe place for Jews.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
On on Thursday, authorities in Birmingham the country's second largest city,
get this prohibited the fans of an Israeli soccer team
from attending a.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Match next month. M Are they expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Bombers to come in from from Palestine? No, because of
threats to cause trouble are coming from the locals. What
an alarming message from police and it comes barely two
weeks after an Islamic terror attack on.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
A synagogue in Manchester.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The match scheduled for November sixth is part of a
larger tournament and we'll pit Birmingham's Eston Villa team against Oh,
I'm gonna mispronounce this Maccabi tel Aviv. Check this the
Safety Advisorary Group, this is an arm of the city
government there last week barred Tel Aviv fans from attending,
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ruling that the event is quote high risk. West Midlands Police,
which advises the committee, said the decision is based on
our current intelligence and previous incidents.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
All right, such, I'm reading from the journal.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Such prohibitions aren't unusual in European matches given the continents
sorry history of soccer hooliganism. These are drunk fans getting violent.
What is unusual is that these fans are being barred,
not as likely perpetrators of violence.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But as potential victims.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Think about this, we are barring you from seeing a
public game in a public arena because of your religion.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
For your own safety.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The police sided a twenty twenty four riot in Amsterdam
after a match between the Cities Ajax and the Maccabi
am I, saying that right in which Muslim cabbies and
others hounded an assaulted Jewish fans.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What the what?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
English Foleece didn't say what the current intelligence led to
their decision, but it's easy enough to guess. A local
Muslim scholar said this month of the Tel Aviv fans, we.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Will not show them mercy and Birmingham.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Wow Ayub Khan, an independent member of Parliament who won
election in twenty twenty four primarily on his opposition to
Israel's war in Gaza, circulated a petition that said letting
the soccer match proceed would send a message of normalization
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and indifference to mass atrocities.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's a soccer game. It's a soccer game.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Birmingham appears to have a radical Islamic p and authorities
are bowing to it rather than policing it. That will
be true even if officials eventually impose other messers, such
as closing the match to fans both teams or moving
it to a third.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Location which is neutral.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's a shocking statement about anti semitism in Britain if
officials can't guarantee the safety of a relatively small number
of peaceful soccer fans backing an Israeli team.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Prime Minister said the ban was a wrong decision, repeated
that what's becoming the standard line is that we will
not tolerate anti semitism in our streets.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This is obviously false. This is so true. They can't
say we will not tolerate anti semitism when you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Just perpetuated an act of anti semitism. You, the government says, mom,
you use no, no, you can't come in here, no
soccer for you, because you're Jewish, because you're fans of
this Israeli team. We will not guarantee your safety. So
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you just can't come in. That's easier for us to
take away your liberties, your freedoms to go buy a
ticket and enjoy the game. Wow, this is an obvious
is obviously false that they will not tolerate anti semitism,
given that the marchers who have chanted anti Semitic slogans
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across Britain for two years, obstensibly in protests to the
war in Godza.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Contra the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
What Britain isn't tolerating in its streets are Israeli soccer
fans here here.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let's just think about this now, you and I, we've
gotten used to the idea of free speech.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
We've gotten used to the idea of our right to
peaceably assemble. We're up at the Americans and I worry
that we're losing this when we are canceling people now.
The cancel culture from the left was horrific. Keep in
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mind some of it is now coming from the right.
We see what happened to Jimmy Kimmel, and I have
no problem seeing Jimmy Kimmel get canned.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think it was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It was spectacular, how exciting, and good for him.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It would be nice to have him off the air.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
What we can't do is have the FCC and the
federal government under any politician, used the power of government
to force private companies to make those decisions.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And we all should.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Stand up and say that's not how we do it,
That's how Biden did it. How Biden policed Facebook and
Twitter and other social media platforms to cancel people who
were critical of his covid era shutdowns. So when our
team does it, we gotta we gotta stand up for
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that too, say this is wrong. But let's remember in
England there is no First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
These people have been conditioned that the government.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Can ban songs, can ban books, can say no, that
can't go over the air. There was a time when
we found that absolutely unacceptable. I worry that we're starting
to find that acceptable here. It's cancel culture. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Colorado has passed a law.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Making it illegal to misgender someone dude.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who thinks he's a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
If you don't call him a woman, they can bring
you up on a complaint of misgendering. That's absolutely against
the First Amendment. You go ahead and think you're whatever
sex you like. That's fine by you, that's fine by me,
But you do not choose the words I use. Once
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you do, once you do, we've got a problem. Well,
isn't that exactly what they're doing in England instead of
guaranteeing the safety of Israeli fans, And they're saying, well, well,
just curtail the freedom of Israeli fans for their own safety.
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For their own safety, would we tell women, well, no,
I'm sorry, You're not allowed to walk on those streets
after ten o'clock for your own safety. So we're gonna
bar you from doing that. This is cancel culture, and
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Europe is ready for it now. Mind you, they inherited
this problem. They invited this problem in by their lacks
immigration policies. I know America has had all these illegals
stream across the border during the Biden years. Some estimates
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are between ten and twenty million people streaming across the border,
many of them bad people, not the majority by.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Any means, but certainly some of them very bad.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Let's contrast that with what goes on in Europe. So
here in America, we've got oceans on both sides. That's
a big determ from a lot of people coming here
from the Middle East. We've got Canada up north invading
us with Canadians who just want to come down.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Here, be polite and say boot. And on our southern border,
what do we have For the most.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Part, we have hard working, family oriented, multi generational Mexican
families who are coming up here for a job, mostly
not all. Some of them to live off the fat
of our socialistic system, but a lot of them are
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here to do the jobs we don't want to do. Now,
I'm not weighing in on whether that's good or bad.
I'm saying compare that to what goes on in Europe,
where a flood, a migration of militant is Aists have
been flooding all over Europe, and now in Britain. They're
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changing the culture. They're changing the culture and making it
difficult for Jews to.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Walk down the street.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Have you seen the videos of Islamic men in Britain.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
In Britain.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Harassing women because they're not covered up enough in Britain.
I was in England last year. I was in London
and it was about, oh my god, a decade since
I was there before, maybe a little less.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The amount of.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Muslim people in England was startling compared to the time before.
I believe Britain regrets its easy immigration policies. I think
most of Europe is afraid of those immigration policies. Let's
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bring it to the United States. Michigan has a remarkably
high Muslim community. In fact, they're starting to have communities
that are mostly Muslim, really pretty amazing mostly Muslim. The
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Palestinian sympathies in America continues to grow and grow and grow.
We see it in academia, we see it in entertainment.
It's becoming more and more anti Semitic. Without the United States,
Israel doesn't survive. It's got enemies on all sides. Without
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the United States, it doesn't exist. And you can say
things like, you know, from the river to the sea,
until you look at a map and you go, oh,
from the river to the sea, that means destroying Israel.
My worry is, in ten twenty years America might stop
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supporting Israel.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
What does that look like? And what does England look like?
What does Europe look like?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
As the Muslim population continues to grow and continues to
grow and continues to grow.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Let's be honest, we don't want to say it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The extreme Muslim philosophies are anti Enlightenment, they are anti
civil rights, they are anti liberal. The idea of having
women covered up, the idea of destroying those things that
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you disagree with, is against the very liberalism. And I
mean that in the classical sense that America was founded on,
and that common law was developed in the UK over Well,
what do you do with this? You go ahead and
be the king of England. Let's pretend you're actually a
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king and have power to do things.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
What are you going to do to protect the Jewish
population of your nation? Or are you going to just
use your.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Use your power to ban, to cancel Jewish people? How
is that not anti semitic? Not letting Jews into a
soccer game? How is that not anti semitic?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Three oh three, seven to one, three eight two five
five seven to one three talk. This really concerns me
because I get a sense some of that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Is going on over here as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Do you sense a growing anti Semitic vibe in the country?
And I've always wondered why Jewish Americans especially gravitate.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To the political left.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
When it's now the political left that is clearly the
more anti Semitic element of the population just going to
any college campus. I've always wondered how American Jews can
be so pro gun control after living through the Holocaust?
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Do they not see what governments are capable of? Do
they not see what happens when.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You are disarmed? Do they not see the danger now?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
More and more it's American leftists who don't support Israel,
who who want the Palestinian state.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What do you do in this situation? Could be Denver
some time.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Actually, I think it will happen in Michigan first, where
Jewish people don't feel safe or synagogues are being attacked
in Birmingham, not Alabama.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Out in the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
UK, they are barred fans of the Israeli soccer team
from seeing the Israeli soccer team play.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Think about the pressure on this team.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Think about the pressure on our placekicker Lutz yesterday as
the whole world watched while he had to kick one
ball and win the game.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's a lot of pressure. How much worse would his
pressure be.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
If he was also worried that maybe there's a sniper
out there trying to get him because of his religion
or where he's from, or that on the way to
the locker room he might be attacked either way to
the hotel or in the hotel when he gets there.
How do you play the game? How do you focus
on what you're supposed to focus on? What a failure
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of government? Seven one three, eight two five five hmm,
how about this? You probably have a ballot sitting on
your kitchen counter with a couple things you need to
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vote on.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
These off year elections have a lot of power.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
One then I'm actually I'm keeping an eye on all these.
But the couple that really really fascinate me is three ten.
For those of you who live in Denver. If you
live in Denver, you've got three ten.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
What does three to ten do if passed? If you
vote yes.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It will put a ban on flavored tobacco and flavored
nicotine products for adults. Then you make it really clear,
even though, even though Michael Bloomberg, who's funding this, wants
to make it all about kids, kids can't buy this product,
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just like kids can't buy marijuana.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Kids can't buy liquor.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What you tell me, they get hold of liquor, they
get hold of marijuana.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Shocked, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So, why don't we have a proposal that outlaws the
sale of all those to all adults?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh no, No, that.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Would be bad. No, that wouldn't make any sense. We'll
just do tobacco since I don't smoke, man, So.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
In Denver, if this passes, adults will not be able
to buy Swisher Sweet cigars.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Let me say it again.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They won't be able to buy Swisher Sweet cigars. Why
because Swish er sweets have as a flavored tobacco.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I had this discussion with somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Over lunch, and I don't understand the hypocrisy. They said, well,
you know, flavored tobacco and flavored nicotine.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
There's a geatway drug that gets kids smoking.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Uh huh, And.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Flavored liquor and flavored marijuana, and cherry beer and cherry wine.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What uh huh?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But you're gonna focus on this one. I'm gonna focus
on this one because so few people smoke. It is
the tyranny of the majority. And yes, while it might
introduce some to smoking, god forbid, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
What else it does.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It helps many people off of smoking because many people
use nicotine products.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That have no car cynongens to get off.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Of cigarettes, use something like zin or nicotine pouch or
all sorts of things or flavored nicotine pouches whatever to
get off of smoking. It is the intolerance that I
just don't understand, and it's the inconsistency I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It drives me nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So you've got these nannyists like Michael Bloomberg who doesn't
live in Denver.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He donated one point five million.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Dollars in October to a group deceptively called Denver Kids
Versus Big Tobacco. Big Tobacco hasn't put in nearly that
amount of money.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
In fact, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Mostly come from small store owners who are going to
be driven out of business.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
One point one five million in October.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh, by the way, that's on top of the one
point five million he gave in September. So you're talking
about two nearly two and three quarters million.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Two point seven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Eighty four percent of all the money this Issue Committee
raise comes from one guy, one out of state guy
who made famous outlawing big.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sodas when he was the mayor of New York. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
By the way, he's also the biggest donor supporting Michael Bennett.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
In his pack, he gave half a million.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Dollars to a superpack supporting Michael Bennett. Hmm, So why
because Mike, Because Bloomberg knows what's.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right for other adults. Let me make it really clear,
this is not about banning.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Vapes for kids, because that's already illegal, just like it
is buying liquor or buying cigarettes or buying Swisher sweets
or buying marijuana. But they're not going after alcohol. They're
not going after marijuana. They're going after Swisher sweets. You
remember what Grandpa used to smoke. Swisher friggin' sweets will
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be banned in Denver, which I'm sure will solve the
problem because nobody knows to go to Aurora to buy
it there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So let's see, he gave two point seven million dollars,
and then Tobacco Free Kids, an initiative that Bloomberg supports,
gave another three hundred and sixty four thousand dollars to
the campaign. So over three million dollars from one guy. Now,
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And what drives me nuts about this issue is I
see nannyists of all parties supporting it, socialists of all parties.
You've got the nannyists on the other side on one
side who say, oh, big tobacco, we can't have that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Then you've got conservatives saying, oh, we got to keep
these kids clean, even.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
If it means stopping adults from having their zin or
Swiss or sweet because it just saves one kid from
getting his hand on a vape. Then how come that
doesn't apply to marijuana. I don't get it. Why doesn't
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it apply to liquor. You want to know what a
gateway drug is. Liquor is the gateway drug. It is
the gate way drug.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We still keep that, We still keep that legal.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All those wonderful margaritas that are flavored. Have you ever
been to a bar and they have the margarita machines
and you can see the different colors because they all
have different flavors.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's flavored alcohol. You can go to a liquor store
and you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Can get your peach infused schnapps. You can get your
beer with hints of cherry in it. Well, shouldn't those
be illegal as well? If if flavored nicotine pouches, which
help people stop smoking, is illegal, why should the others
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be legal? And this is where I don't understand social conservatives.
I understand crazy ass progressives because they have no logical consistency.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They just want what they want.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, I don't think you should be doing that, man,
and so I'm gonna outlaw it. That's as far as
the brain goes. I don't think you should be doing that.
I don't know why anyone needs to have.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Fill in the blank.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't need to know anyone needs to have that
type of gun, cigarette.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Fay, whatever it is. What I don't get are social conservatives.
Will they believe in freedom and claim they believe in liberty.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And they're the ones saying, who know, we're gonna have
to save the children by stopping adults from buying swish
or sweets. You won't be able to buy Grandpa's cigar
because it's flavored.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Somebody help me understand this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Where's the consistency or does consistency even matter? Now consistency
doesn't matter. Let's go out to Parker talk to Michael
real fast. Michael, you're with John Caldera.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Welcome, interesting my call. I just wanted to stay my
firm opposition to l and on the I'm shooting you
know what those are?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Indeed, why do you for those who don't know this,
taxes the wealthy people make over three hundred grand to
give free lunches to everyone, including just the slightly less
wealthy than the ones who are paying the tax.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What's your problem with it?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, it's a ridicuous constant. Welfare should be means tested.
I don't think there's any problem with people gay. It's
kind of hard for the people who can't afford me.
I think the whole idea is just there consters.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
The way you put it to the tax. The way
you put it was just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Welfare should be means tested. Welfare shouldn't be for everyone,
because once you start saying I'm going to tax the
guy who has the nicer house in the neighborhood so
that I can have a house extension.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It doesn't end. You're you're voting yourself largess.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know this. If we want to give more kids
free lunch, great, let's all tax everyone and give them
free lunch.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh I wouldn't before.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
That either, but well, why wouldn't mind having a means
tested And that's what we had, a means tested way
of giving.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Poorer families who have a hard time making ends meet
to have lunch.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The food I mean, I don't call any problems that
I was growing up.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I don't know if you do, but there's so many.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Other problems for food and so on. Anyway, I don't
know what the need of this is. That if there
was a need that people could acquire it, sue, there
could be some discreet way that they get their lunches
without stigmatizing them.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Probably I don't like to force that people don't would
never think about this, or would wouldn't qualify somehow force
for a small percentage of people. Of course, everybody to
pay everything for everybody, And then this is a problem
that's going crazy and boldly popular and probably increasing extens
a lot because of that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So how do you solve this problem.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's easy to outlaw cigarettes for adults and flavor tobacco
because so few people buy those. It's taxing a minority.
It's easy to pass a tax against tourists because those
tourists are out of town. They'll say the tax is
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not me. It's easy to tax though wealthy because.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And now the wealthy is going to give me. The
wealthy's going to give me something I don't have. They're
going to give you a free lunch. How do you
convince people that it's a moral hazard to tax people
who make more money than you.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think there's a pernicious and early I agree to
tax issue that the idea you can get everybody a
benefit is a really pernicious idea. It's a it's a
grand socialism, it's a it's a free lunch idea in
a large scale and he's orders to he's hash, I
think it's a it's I wish I had enough money
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if I did. If I did, I would definitely put
some money into opposing this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But I don't self I understand it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, you just buy somebody saying which I got to
run thanks to the call three or three seven one
three eight two five five. I'm John Caldera in for
Ryan keep it here six point thirty k.
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In the meantime, let's get to the phones.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Talk to Larry. Larry, welcome here with John Caldera. All right, John.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
The bottom line that I see with all of this
financing for this favorite tobacco thing is they're recruiting a
faithful batch of managers and supervisors and directors for their
next big move.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Who's they? By the way, at least half what that?
Who are they? I'm just lost. I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
The people running the campaign for the flavored tobacco issue, Yes,
they at least half or more of the money is
going to be to find its way into the pockets
of all the directors and supervisors their recruitlous directors and
supervisors of
All three h three seven, one three eight two five
five seven one three talk. I'll tell you what, Which
one do I want to do? Which one do I
want to do? I want to do this one.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I don't understand soccer, all right, I don't. I don't
get soccer. Don't understand soccer. Soccer is wonderful. I think
soccer is a spectacular sport for little kids and Europeans.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Any any sport where you can't.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Use your hands, it makes no sense to me. There
kicking the ball to each other. Here'll kick it to you. No,
you kick it to me when you kick it and
just pick up the thing and throw it rugby, I
get rugby, get pick it up. The other thing I
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don't understand about soccer well, first of all, outside of
this country, they call it football like it's got anything
to do with your foot. What I don't get is
how crazy some of the hooligans get. Hooligans are the
people who go crazy and get violent during football matches.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It happens all right now.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Britain is a safe place, right.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's not a safe place for Jews.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
On on Thursday, authorities in Birmingham the country's second largest city,
get this prohibited the fans of an Israeli soccer team
from attending a.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Match next month. M Are they expecting.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Bombers to come in from from Palestine? No, because of
threats to cause trouble are coming from the locals. What
an alarming message from police and it comes barely two
weeks after an Islamic terror attack on.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
A synagogue in Manchester.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The match scheduled for November sixth is part of a
larger tournament and we'll pit Birmingham's Eston Villa team against Oh,
I'm gonna mispronounce this Maccabi tel Aviv. Check this the
Safety Advisorary Group, this is an arm of the city
government there last week barred Tel Aviv fans from attending,
(02:46):
ruling that the event is quote high risk. West Midlands Police,
which advises the committee, said the decision is based on
our current intelligence and previous incidents.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
All right, such, I'm reading from the journal.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Such prohibitions aren't unusual in European matches given the continents
sorry history of soccer hooliganism. These are drunk fans getting violent.
What is unusual is that these fans are being barred,
not as likely perpetrators of violence.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But as potential victims.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Think about this, we are barring you from seeing a
public game in a public arena because of your religion.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
For your own safety.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
The police sided a twenty twenty four riot in Amsterdam
after a match between the Cities Ajax and the Maccabi
am I, saying that right in which Muslim cabbies and
others hounded an assaulted Jewish fans.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What the what?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
English Foleece didn't say what the current intelligence led to
their decision, but it's easy enough to guess. A local
Muslim scholar said this month of the Tel Aviv fans, we.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Will not show them mercy and Birmingham.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Wow Ayub Khan, an independent member of Parliament who won
election in twenty twenty four primarily on his opposition to
Israel's war in Gaza, circulated a petition that said letting
the soccer match proceed would send a message of normalization
(04:46):
and indifference to mass atrocities.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's a soccer game. It's a soccer game.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Birmingham appears to have a radical Islamic p and authorities
are bowing to it rather than policing it. That will
be true even if officials eventually impose other messers, such
as closing the match to fans both teams or moving
it to a third.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Location which is neutral.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's a shocking statement about anti semitism in Britain if
officials can't guarantee the safety of a relatively small number
of peaceful soccer fans backing an Israeli team.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Prime Minister said the ban was a wrong decision, repeated
that what's becoming the standard line is that we will
not tolerate anti semitism in our streets.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
This is obviously false. This is so true. They can't
say we will not tolerate anti semitism when you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Just perpetuated an act of anti semitism. You, the government says, mom,
you use no, no, you can't come in here, no
soccer for you, because you're Jewish, because you're fans of
this Israeli team. We will not guarantee your safety. So
(06:13):
you just can't come in. That's easier for us to
take away your liberties, your freedoms to go buy a
ticket and enjoy the game. Wow, this is an obvious
is obviously false that they will not tolerate anti semitism,
given that the marchers who have chanted anti Semitic slogans
(06:36):
across Britain for two years, obstensibly in protests to the
war in Godza.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Contra the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
What Britain isn't tolerating in its streets are Israeli soccer
fans here here.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Let's just think about this now, you and I, we've
gotten used to the idea of free speech.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
We've gotten used to the idea of our right to
peaceably assemble. We're up at the Americans and I worry
that we're losing this when we are canceling people now.
The cancel culture from the left was horrific. Keep in
(07:25):
mind some of it is now coming from the right.
We see what happened to Jimmy Kimmel, and I have
no problem seeing Jimmy Kimmel get canned.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think it was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It was spectacular, how exciting, and good for him.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It would be nice to have him off the air.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
What we can't do is have the FCC and the
federal government under any politician, used the power of government
to force private companies to make those decisions.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And we all should.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Stand up and say that's not how we do it,
That's how Biden did it. How Biden policed Facebook and
Twitter and other social media platforms to cancel people who
were critical of his covid era shutdowns. So when our
team does it, we gotta we gotta stand up for
(08:17):
that too, say this is wrong. But let's remember in
England there is no First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
These people have been conditioned that the government.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Can ban songs, can ban books, can say no, that
can't go over the air. There was a time when
we found that absolutely unacceptable. I worry that we're starting
to find that acceptable here. It's cancel culture. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Colorado has passed a law.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Making it illegal to misgender someone dude.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who thinks he's a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
If you don't call him a woman, they can bring
you up on a complaint of misgendering. That's absolutely against
the First Amendment. You go ahead and think you're whatever
sex you like. That's fine by you, that's fine by me,
But you do not choose the words I use. Once
(09:23):
you do, once you do, we've got a problem. Well,
isn't that exactly what they're doing in England instead of
guaranteeing the safety of Israeli fans, And they're saying, well, well,
just curtail the freedom of Israeli fans for their own safety.
(09:51):
For their own safety, would we tell women, well, no,
I'm sorry, You're not allowed to walk on those streets
after ten o'clock for your own safety. So we're gonna
bar you from doing that. This is cancel culture, and
(10:12):
Europe is ready for it now. Mind you, they inherited
this problem. They invited this problem in by their lacks
immigration policies. I know America has had all these illegals
stream across the border during the Biden years. Some estimates
(10:34):
are between ten and twenty million people streaming across the border,
many of them bad people, not the majority by.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Any means, but certainly some of them very bad.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Let's contrast that with what goes on in Europe. So
here in America, we've got oceans on both sides. That's
a big determ from a lot of people coming here
from the Middle East. We've got Canada up north invading
us with Canadians who just want to come down.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Here, be polite and say boot. And on our southern border,
what do we have For the most.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Part, we have hard working, family oriented, multi generational Mexican
families who are coming up here for a job, mostly
not all. Some of them to live off the fat
of our socialistic system, but a lot of them are
(11:41):
here to do the jobs we don't want to do. Now,
I'm not weighing in on whether that's good or bad.
I'm saying compare that to what goes on in Europe,
where a flood, a migration of militant is Aists have
been flooding all over Europe, and now in Britain. They're
(12:08):
changing the culture. They're changing the culture and making it
difficult for Jews to.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Walk down the street.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Have you seen the videos of Islamic men in Britain.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
In Britain.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Harassing women because they're not covered up enough in Britain.
I was in England last year. I was in London
and it was about, oh my god, a decade since
I was there before, maybe a little less.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The amount of.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Muslim people in England was startling compared to the time before.
I believe Britain regrets its easy immigration policies. I think
most of Europe is afraid of those immigration policies. Let's
(13:14):
bring it to the United States. Michigan has a remarkably
high Muslim community. In fact, they're starting to have communities
that are mostly Muslim, really pretty amazing mostly Muslim. The
(13:36):
Palestinian sympathies in America continues to grow and grow and grow.
We see it in academia, we see it in entertainment.
It's becoming more and more anti Semitic. Without the United States,
Israel doesn't survive. It's got enemies on all sides. Without
(13:58):
the United States, it doesn't exist. And you can say
things like, you know, from the river to the sea,
until you look at a map and you go, oh,
from the river to the sea, that means destroying Israel.
My worry is, in ten twenty years America might stop
(14:21):
supporting Israel.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
What does that look like? And what does England look like?
What does Europe look like?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
As the Muslim population continues to grow and continues to
grow and continues to grow.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Let's be honest, we don't want to say it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
The extreme Muslim philosophies are anti Enlightenment, they are anti
civil rights, they are anti liberal. The idea of having
women covered up, the idea of destroying those things that
(15:09):
you disagree with, is against the very liberalism. And I
mean that in the classical sense that America was founded on,
and that common law was developed in the UK over Well,
what do you do with this? You go ahead and
be the king of England. Let's pretend you're actually a
(15:30):
king and have power to do things.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
What are you going to do to protect the Jewish
population of your nation? Or are you going to just
use your.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Use your power to ban, to cancel Jewish people? How
is that not anti semitic? Not letting Jews into a
soccer game? How is that not anti semitic?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All right?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Three oh three, seven to one, three eight two five
five seven to one three talk. This really concerns me
because I get a sense some of that.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Is going on over here as well.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Do you sense a growing anti Semitic vibe in the country?
And I've always wondered why Jewish Americans especially gravitate.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To the political left.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
When it's now the political left that is clearly the
more anti Semitic element of the population just going to
any college campus. I've always wondered how American Jews can
be so pro gun control after living through the Holocaust?
(16:53):
Do they not see what governments are capable of? Do
they not see what happens when.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
You are disarmed? Do they not see the danger now?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
More and more it's American leftists who don't support Israel,
who who want the Palestinian state.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
What do you do in this situation? Could be Denver
some time.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Actually, I think it will happen in Michigan first, where
Jewish people don't feel safe or synagogues are being attacked
in Birmingham, not Alabama.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Out in the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
UK, they are barred fans of the Israeli soccer team
from seeing the Israeli soccer team play.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Think about the pressure on this team.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Think about the pressure on our placekicker Lutz yesterday as
the whole world watched while he had to kick one
ball and win the game.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's a lot of pressure. How much worse would his
pressure be.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
If he was also worried that maybe there's a sniper
out there trying to get him because of his religion
or where he's from, or that on the way to
the locker room he might be attacked either way to
the hotel or in the hotel when he gets there.
How do you play the game? How do you focus
on what you're supposed to focus on? What a failure
(18:40):
of government? Seven one three, eight two five five hmm,
how about this? You probably have a ballot sitting on
your kitchen counter with a couple things you need to
(19:01):
vote on.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
These off year elections have a lot of power.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
One then I'm actually I'm keeping an eye on all these.
But the couple that really really fascinate me is three ten.
For those of you who live in Denver. If you
live in Denver, you've got three ten.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
What does three to ten do if passed? If you
vote yes.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It will put a ban on flavored tobacco and flavored
nicotine products for adults. Then you make it really clear,
even though, even though Michael Bloomberg, who's funding this, wants
to make it all about kids, kids can't buy this product,
(19:48):
just like kids can't buy marijuana.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Kids can't buy liquor.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What you tell me, they get hold of liquor, they
get hold of marijuana.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Shocked, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So, why don't we have a proposal that outlaws the
sale of all those to all adults?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh no, No, that.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Would be bad. No, that wouldn't make any sense. We'll
just do tobacco since I don't smoke, man, So.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
In Denver, if this passes, adults will not be able
to buy Swisher Sweet cigars.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Let me say it again.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They won't be able to buy Swisher Sweet cigars. Why
because Swish er sweets have as a flavored tobacco.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I had this discussion with somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Over lunch, and I don't understand the hypocrisy. They said, well,
you know, flavored tobacco and flavored nicotine.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
There's a geatway drug that gets kids smoking.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Uh huh, And.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Flavored liquor and flavored marijuana, and cherry beer and cherry wine.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What uh huh?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But you're gonna focus on this one. I'm gonna focus
on this one because so few people smoke. It is
the tyranny of the majority. And yes, while it might
introduce some to smoking, god forbid, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
What else it does.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It helps many people off of smoking because many people
use nicotine products.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That have no car cynongens to get off.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Of cigarettes, use something like zin or nicotine pouch or
all sorts of things or flavored nicotine pouches whatever to
get off of smoking. It is the intolerance that I
just don't understand, and it's the inconsistency I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It drives me nuts.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So you've got these nannyists like Michael Bloomberg who doesn't
live in Denver.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He donated one point five million.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Dollars in October to a group deceptively called Denver Kids
Versus Big Tobacco. Big Tobacco hasn't put in nearly that
amount of money.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
In fact, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Mostly come from small store owners who are going to
be driven out of business.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
One point one five million in October.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh, by the way, that's on top of the one
point five million he gave in September. So you're talking
about two nearly two and three quarters million.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Two point seven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Eighty four percent of all the money this Issue Committee
raise comes from one guy, one out of state guy
who made famous outlawing big.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Sodas when he was the mayor of New York. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
By the way, he's also the biggest donor supporting Michael Bennett.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
In his pack, he gave half a million.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Dollars to a superpack supporting Michael Bennett. Hmm, So why
because Mike, Because Bloomberg knows what's.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Right for other adults. Let me make it really clear,
this is not about banning.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Vapes for kids, because that's already illegal, just like it
is buying liquor or buying cigarettes or buying Swisher sweets
or buying marijuana. But they're not going after alcohol. They're
not going after marijuana. They're going after Swisher sweets. You
remember what Grandpa used to smoke. Swisher friggin' sweets will
(23:59):
be banned in Denver, which I'm sure will solve the
problem because nobody knows to go to Aurora to buy
it there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So let's see, he gave two point seven million dollars,
and then Tobacco Free Kids, an initiative that Bloomberg supports,
gave another three hundred and sixty four thousand dollars to
the campaign. So over three million dollars from one guy. Now,
(24:37):
And what drives me nuts about this issue is I
see nannyists of all parties supporting it, socialists of all parties.
You've got the nannyists on the other side on one
side who say, oh, big tobacco, we can't have that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Then you've got conservatives saying, oh, we got to keep
these kids clean, even.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
If it means stopping adults from having their zin or
Swiss or sweet because it just saves one kid from
getting his hand on a vape. Then how come that
doesn't apply to marijuana. I don't get it. Why doesn't
(25:21):
it apply to liquor. You want to know what a
gateway drug is. Liquor is the gateway drug. It is
the gate way drug.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
We still keep that, We still keep that legal.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
All those wonderful margaritas that are flavored. Have you ever
been to a bar and they have the margarita machines
and you can see the different colors because they all
have different flavors.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's flavored alcohol. You can go to a liquor store
and you.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Can get your peach infused schnapps. You can get your
beer with hints of cherry in it. Well, shouldn't those
be illegal as well? If if flavored nicotine pouches, which
help people stop smoking, is illegal, why should the others
(26:24):
be legal? And this is where I don't understand social conservatives.
I understand crazy ass progressives because they have no logical consistency.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They just want what they want.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, I don't think you should be doing that, man,
and so I'm gonna outlaw it. That's as far as
the brain goes. I don't think you should be doing that.
I don't know why anyone needs to have.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Fill in the blank.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I don't need to know anyone needs to have that
type of gun, cigarette.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Fay, whatever it is. What I don't get are social conservatives.
Will they believe in freedom and claim they believe in liberty.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And they're the ones saying, who know, we're gonna have
to save the children by stopping adults from buying swish
or sweets. You won't be able to buy Grandpa's cigar
because it's flavored.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Somebody help me understand this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Where's the consistency or does consistency even matter? Now consistency
doesn't matter. Let's go out to Parker talk to Michael
real fast. Michael, you're with John Caldera.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Welcome, interesting my call. I just wanted to stay my
firm opposition to l and on the I'm shooting you
know what those are?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Indeed, why do you for those who don't know this,
taxes the wealthy people make over three hundred grand to
give free lunches to everyone, including just the slightly less
wealthy than the ones who are paying the tax.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
What's your problem with it?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, it's a ridicuous constant. Welfare should be means tested.
I don't think there's any problem with people gay. It's
kind of hard for the people who can't afford me.
I think the whole idea is just there consters.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
The way you put it to the tax. The way
you put it was just beautiful.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Welfare should be means tested. Welfare shouldn't be for everyone,
because once you start saying I'm going to tax the
guy who has the nicer house in the neighborhood so
that I can have a house extension.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
It doesn't end. You're you're voting yourself largess.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know this. If we want to give more kids
free lunch, great, let's all tax everyone and give them
free lunch.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Oh I wouldn't before.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
That either, but well, why wouldn't mind having a means
tested And that's what we had, a means tested way
of giving.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Poorer families who have a hard time making ends meet
to have lunch.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
The food I mean, I don't call any problems that
I was growing up.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I don't know if you do, but there's so many.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Other problems for food and so on. Anyway, I don't
know what the need of this is. That if there
was a need that people could acquire it, sue, there
could be some discreet way that they get their lunches
without stigmatizing them.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Probably I don't like to force that people don't would
never think about this, or would wouldn't qualify somehow force
for a small percentage of people. Of course, everybody to
pay everything for everybody, And then this is a problem
that's going crazy and boldly popular and probably increasing extens
a lot because of that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So how do you solve this problem.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's easy to outlaw cigarettes for adults and flavor tobacco
because so few people buy those. It's taxing a minority.
It's easy to pass a tax against tourists because those
tourists are out of town. They'll say the tax is
(30:29):
not me. It's easy to tax though wealthy because.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's not me.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And now the wealthy is going to give me. The
wealthy's going to give me something I don't have. They're
going to give you a free lunch. How do you
convince people that it's a moral hazard to tax people
who make more money than you.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think there's a pernicious and early I agree to
tax issue that the idea you can get everybody a
benefit is a really pernicious idea. It's a it's a
grand socialism, it's a it's a free lunch idea in
a large scale and he's orders to he's hash, I
think it's a it's I wish I had enough money
(31:15):
if I did. If I did, I would definitely put
some money into opposing this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But I don't self I understand it.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Well, you just buy somebody saying which I got to
run thanks to the call three or three seven one
three eight two five five. I'm John Caldera in for
Ryan keep it here six point thirty k.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
How do yourself a favor?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Check out my little organization, Independence Institute, which for forty
years has been fighting.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
For a free, yer better Colorado where.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You have personal liberty and responsibility like our flat tax,
you like tabor, you like educational choice.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Where are your folks go.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
To thinkfreedom dot org Think freedom or sign up for
my newsletter. It's just John's note. Also, keep an eye
out for a lot of the classes we do. Kathleen
Chandler does a wonderful service for us, does a citizen
Involvement project and it does a wonderful class.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's really worthwhile. So check that out and get it
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Speaker 1 (32:17):
So if you have it, don't worry. We won't spam you.
In the meantime, let's get to the phones.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Talk to Larry. Larry, welcome here with John Caldera. All right, John.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
The bottom line that I see with all of this
financing for this favorite tobacco thing is they're recruiting a
faithful batch of managers and supervisors and directors for their
next big move.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Who's they? By the way, at least half what that?
Who are they? I'm just lost. I don't understand what
you're saying.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
The people running the campaign for the flavored tobacco issue, Yes,
they at least half or more of the money is
going to be to find its way into the pockets
of all the directors and supervisors their recruitlous directors and
supervisors of
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