December 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Shari Bjorklund attended a Victor Marx town hall in Grand Junction and asked him about his pro-life stance and how he planned to fight against abortion in a state where it is enshrined in the constitution. His answer, or more so the tone of his answer, took her and many others by surprise. She joins Ryan to discuss her interaction with the Republican candidate for governor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Only eighties kids heard their parents talk like this tech
today's kids will never know. Go outside and don't come
back till the street.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Lights come on.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
And we actually did.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
No phone, no snacks, just a bike and a stick
we pretended was a sword.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Your bored, I'll give you something to do.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Instant chores, baseboards, garage, whatever they pointed at.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Stop crying before I give you something to cry about.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh yeah, bro, that shut us down immediately. I'm not
a short ordered cook. You eat what I make.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Burnt meat, loaf, mystery casse role doesn't matter, you're eating it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I brought you into this world and I can take
you out, said with a smile.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But you knew they meant business because I said so
the end of every argument. Final boss energy.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Every parent had this one ready, like it was part
of their script.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Eighties parenting was savage, but somehow weed and turned out fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, and again, for those of you that are Gen
Z or younger, the only thing I can recommend in
current pop culture that will give you a taste of
that experience of growing up in the eighties is Stranger Things. Now,
there's some controversy about the early episodes. I believe the
first half of the last season has been released, and
there's some discussion as to whether it depicts the sexual
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assault of one of the youngsters by you know this
being if you follow the show, you kind of know
what I'm talking about. I have not watched the final season,
those first few episodes yet. I will and then I'll
offer up my response to that. On the whole though,
I think the series has been remarkable, and David Harber,
who plays the sheriff, he's amazing, He's outstanding, and I
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just think it's a wonderfully creative series, and it really
depicts growing.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Up in the eighties the way that it was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What surprises me about that is when I looked up
there are twin brothers that created the series, and they
were born in like the early to mid eighties. They
don't even remember the eighties, not themselves, and even me,
I'm fifty one, so I would be I did the
calculations in the math, I would be the same age
as Eric. I believe the character's name is. She's the
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little sister of one of the main characters, who are
all older than I would have been at that age.
And even so, these creators of the show, they would
have been like infants during some of these seasons. So
kudos to them for capturing the eighties motif. But I
think some parenting from the eighties could make a comeback
in a.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Good way, in a big way. We'd all be better
off for it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, then there's the big Daddy, Donald Trump, another installment
Trump's Hot Takes. You might not like his style, but
you gotta like the message. It's time once again for
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another edition of Trump's Hot Takes, churning the forty seven
president's epic interactions with the fake news media.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
This officials say that the suspect worked very closely with
the CIA in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
For years, but he was vetted and the vetting came.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Up cleaned, he went he went cuckoo.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean, he went nuts. And that happens too.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
It happens too often with these people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Do you see him?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But look, this is how they come in.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
This is how they're They're standing on top of each other,
and that's an airplane.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
There was no vetting or anything that came in unvetted.
And we have a lot of others in this country.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We're going to get them out, but they go cuckoo,
something happens soon.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Your doj ig just reported this year that there was
through vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these
Afghans who were brought into the US.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So why do you blame the Biden Admustry because they
let him in?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Are you stupid?
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Are you a stupid person because they came in on
a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't
be here, And you're just asking questions because you're.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A stupid person. And there's a law.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out.
You can't get them out once they come in. And
they came in and they were unvetted, they were unchecked.
There were many of them, and they came in on
big planes and it was disgraceful. And if you look,
you'll see there was a law pass it makes it
almost impossible not to let them in, not to certify them,
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so to speak, once they come in, and they came
in and they shouldn't have come in, And frankly, the
whole thing was a mess, a whole Afghanistan situation.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Was a mess.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
We shouldn't it should have never taken place again.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Where does President Trump end and Sean Ferrish begin, because
Sean Oakaman is a very stupid person. And then President
Trump goes on and deal with some haymakers like that.
To Nancy Cortes of CBS News, he is right on
the topic.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Though.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's the Biden administration that swung the doors wide open
at our border, letting all kinds of unvetted refugees in
quotes into the country by the bus load, by the
plane load from Afghanistan after the disastrous withdraw a domino
effect there, and not every Afghan that has come into
this country means well. And we found that out the
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hard way with the National Guard shootings. One murder in Washington,
d C. That's one murder too many. We need a
tighter border. The President controls that policy. It's in the constitution,
it's at his discretion. Immigrants are here at the pleasure
of the President of the United States and the American people.
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They are guests in our country. It is a privilege
to be here. It is not a right. It is
not an expectation. It is not an entitlement. And I
say this as the son of an immigrant. My bubba,
my grandmother, and my mom who is two. We're lucky,
were fortunate to be here, and they went through all
of the proper channels, as did my grandfather on my
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Slovenian Serbian side, and they took being an American seriously.
They wanted to become Americans. They wanted to assimilate to
our culture.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Participate in our customs, vote in our elections, become an
American citizen, loyalty to this country, allegiance to our flag,
and not bring with them the very communist dictates of
Tito and Yugoslavia that they fled from. That's why Cuban
Americans are such great Americans. They come to this country
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same notion. They know what they laugh, They don't want any.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Part of that. So why are they Republicans by and large?
You know why? That's exactly why. Speaking of stupid people, I.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Just want to be clear. This is the party that
says that, you know, they care so much about life
until life actually shows up at their front door. And
this is also the party this supposedly is about Christianity,
and I just imagine what they would have done to
a little baby Jesus. But that's a whole other issue,
you know. It is really so heartbreaking. We know that
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under the prior Trump administration it was the children in cages,
So for me, got expecting them to do better by
children was not one of the things that was on
my bingo.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Car Obama put the children in cages. This has been
debunked also. Tom Holman said it best. We're not going
to separate the kids from their parents. We're going to
deport them all together and they could be a family
outside the United States. They don't have a right to
be here. That's just the simple, plain fact of the matter.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Folks.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Baby Jesus, but baby Jesus again, what they would have
done to a little baby Jesus? Who would Christianity and
I just imagine what they would have done to a
little baby Jesus.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The Republican Party, well, we know what the Democratic Party
would like to do to a baby Jesus. Let's walk
through that narrative for a moment, shall we. Representative Jasmine Crockett, Democrat, Texas. So,
baby Jesus, it would have been birthed by a single mother.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It was an immaculate conception. Joseph, you know, bought in.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But it was a matter of tremendous inconvenience, that he
would have to be born in a manger, they would
have to travel to Bethlehem, all these things that they
all these bridges they had to cross.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was not very convenient. And I'm very certain.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The Democrats would have supported aborting the baby Jesus in
the womb and been perfectly fine with it. So don't
maybe go there like at all. Roger Hudson just reached
out to me. He is the communications director for Victor Marx,
Republican candidate for governor, and we are organizing a time
that he will be joining me on this program in
(08:45):
the very near future, and we look forward to that conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Topics that I would love to cover with him, and
I am committed to dedicating an entire hour or entire
show to Victor Marx and going through his story.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He's got a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
To tell well, but there's a lot of stuff out
there too that he considers to be noise. He has
dedicated a portion of his website to debunking myths or
misrepresentations about him, his record, his background, etc.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
But as we have pointed out in this show.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
There are significant holes in his story about certain aspects
of his record, things that have happened in his life,
and not just the nightmarish upbringing that he had, which
sounds like a complete calamity on so many levels. But
I'm looking forward to having that conversation. And again, what
we try to do on this show is called.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Balls and strikes. I'm not here to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Advocate on behalf of any candidate in the primary, for sure.
Now once we get to the general, it's all systems go,
and whoever the Republican nominee is, you can bet your
bottom dollar that I will support that person, just as
and I break with Dan Kaplis on this. I voted
for Joe Oday in the Senate election. I know a
lot of people had reservations about him, but the alternative
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was not acceptable. And I am a very pragmatic binary person.
When it gets to that stage, my candidate's not there,
I'm not going to cry and take my ball and
go home. I would much rather have a Republican in
that seat than a Democrat, And any misgivings I might
have had about Joe Oday, I have to set aside
for the good of the state.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's just how I view it.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You may disagree with me, but we're not going to
win in this state if we continue to squabble amongst
each other. But of course that continues on the Republican side.
There was a town hall in Grand Junction over the
last few days in which Victor Marx was confronted by
a couple of different women on the issue of abortion. Now,
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he did address this on the Dan Kaplis Show, and
I want to make sure that we're fair to his
stands on this and also.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
To the women that are calling him out here.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
The first one, her name is Deborah, and this is
a tussle about where the issue abortion stands in our
state constitution. And I'll have commentary on the other side.
There's a couple of minutes long.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
And I have a question before you're regarding that that
hideous build that Paul has passed in the middle of
the night, and abortions lead a up to earth. I'm
still upset, Pisso.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
And you change that sadly the people voting on it.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, we did not, we did not.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
You never even put that answer for us to.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Make a voice sign. He took a middle and.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
Life and that I took my little millions up there.
I get it.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
I get it, but it was all about it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Let me tell you use the ballot. It was not
on our ballot.
Speaker 8 (11:40):
It actually was I Resa, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Here's the point.
Speaker 10 (11:46):
Here's the point.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Here's the point.
Speaker 9 (11:53):
There's only life and death.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But he outs like the humans and children should be protected.
I would be the biggest ever. Could all the kids
that I.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Saved or fans to help with call them if I
didn't stand up for the.
Speaker 10 (12:05):
Children who in the room, good night, my mom got pregnant,
my dad shove row three beats down, I throw them
from the tested through her head.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
I had three other children, my mother to them, I.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Could have born at you she children to give me
my And if I wasn't for that.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
Choice, all those kids and women not been help would
have never been help.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
I'm wanna never even sit down.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
With those kids I'm at dirt and tell them how
much cow loves them. They'll be their father in their
dad's house, and I wouldn't be able to stand before
y in eleven months, I'm gonna be the nice to
governor to stand up for unborn babies. Who is humansen
that deserve life?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, when it was mostly a very good answer by
Victor Marx, and it fits in line with his stance
that he articulated on the Dan Camplis show. It also
goes in line with what Roger has sent me on
Victor's stance.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
On the issue it is he says.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
His quote, Victor has lived his life in the protection
of women and children, this includes the unborn. Victor has
never wavered from his deep faith or his pro life beliefs.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Never.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
His response here is good, but it could be better.
How could it be better? This woman mistakenly thinks that
Jared Polis signed into the law in the middle of
the night, these abortion protections.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's only partially true.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What he signed was the codification of Amendment seventy nine,
which yes, we did in fact vote on the ballot.
Victor is right on this was Amendment seventy nine. It
was chilling, it was terrible, but it passed by a
sixty two to thirty eight margin.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That is the fact of the matter.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But he didn't have that knowledge at the ready to
respond in that forum. And this is dangerous because how
is he going to function in a radio interview like this,
or more perilously for him, a television interview with say
comrade Kyle Kyle Clark Nine News or a Republican primary debate,
or if we get to that stage, a debate in
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the general election with Michael Bennett. He has to be
well versed on these issues. He cannot run completely as
an outsider that just says I don't know anything. No,
you gotta know now, man, you're in the arena. You're
the man in the arena. We need well detailed, defined
policy positions from you. We are depending on it, we
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are counting on it. We need to know exactly where
you stand. No wiggle room, no gray area, no riding
the fence on an issue where you know if you
express a pro life position, that will put a dent
in you in a general election. Joe Oday knew that,
and he played that horribly. Now, I don't think Victor
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Marx is as let's say, pro choice or I don't
know pro whatever that Joe O'Day was.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And Victor had a very good point on the Dan
Kaplis Show here about his views on this particular issue.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Reached the heart of girls and men because remember, men
often look at abortion as a form of birth control,
which is absolutely dishonoring and it's horrible. Men are better
than that, and I think we reached the heart of
men and women, which is one of my goals, which
is why I wrote The Dangerous Gentlemen to change the
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culture of manhood and masculinity. The best compliment my broad
ever gave me when we were dating, She goes, I've
never dated a gentleman, and that still today is one
of the best compliments she ever gave me.
Speaker 12 (15:51):
Is that what you mean, Victor, by the culture of masculinity?
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Yeah, it's there seems to be an intentional effort to
tivin nice men, to make them not want to do
the basic things, stay behind a keyboard, you know, instead
of getting off the couch.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I'm not putting down guys. Now, this is good.
This is good.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I agree with what he just said very nearly one
hundred percent. But they do have to point out is
this show it's very finely tuned into pop culture. When
I hear Victor Marx, I can't help but think of
cal Naughton Jr. From Talladega Knights Listen and compare.
Speaker 13 (16:30):
I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T shirt
because it says like I want to be formal. But
I'm here to party too, because I like to party,
so I like my Jesus to party.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I like to picture Jesus as an angel fighting off
evil samurai.
Speaker 13 (16:44):
I like to think of Jesus like with John Eagle's
wings and singing lead vocals for leonyrd Skynyrd with like
an angel band.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And I'm in the front row and I'm hammered, drunks, Hey,
cal why you just shut up? His man?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Do you hear it like I did? Now he can
lean into that. I think it's great. I think you
get pop culture traction in a race like this. It's
like jet fuel. And again, everything to this point pretty good.
Got a B grade. I would say, got to get
that handle Amendment seventy nine and have that in your
quivering go back and be very calm, to be're very measured.
And he was for the most part there with Deborah
and say no, it was Amendment seventy nine. The voters
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voted it in. I don't like it any more than
you did. Governor Pollis signed it. Yet it was late
at night. I remember this personally me Ryan on a
Friday night news dump. I remember it because it also
came with the trans protections for kids to be shipped
into this state and get their body parts chopped off.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So he needs to flesh that out in more detail.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But when we come back, I believe that he slipped
up in his response to Sherry Bjorkln on this same issue.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He got agitated, he took it.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Personally, and it got confrontational when it didn't need to.
So this is just me thirty thousand foot view. But
we'll talk with Sherry when we come back after this time.
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Speaker 12 (19:28):
It's one more.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Thank you, mister Arms for cloud us to ask questions
in a recent radio interview.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
I'd like to pick your paid back off with the lady.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Before me said in a recent radio interview, you said
you were pro life, but also claimed before she was.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
As in the constitution, client.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
That you have studied to do they fix it.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
That's a typical pro choice position for any politician.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And as as a sol per.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Plane pro life governor, I'd like to know when she
work with promise to remove the abortion language and the
constitution and how would you accomplish that?
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Do you believe I'm pro life and pro choice?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I think that you are pro choice and they ask
you to be.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
About the radio show interesting anytime?
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Maybe you don't you get excuse while.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's on the Constitute.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
In the Constitution, I.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Can't do anything out of my arm my hands on
hide that is not a problem passage.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Did you ever hear me say my hands for Todd?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Yes on the radio show, you dear, and honestly, to
be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You said my answer, sir, do you pull that?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Because all here I don't ever.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Want to say list Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That was Victor Marx asking his team to pull the
audio from the interview mentioned by our next guest, Sherry B.
Yorklan on the issue of abortion and where Victor Mark stands. Now,
just a quick aside here again, just my thirty thousand
foot view and perspective. He's getting too testy, he's taking
it too personally. He's getting combative with a constituent who
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might vote for him. So you attract a lot more
flies with honey than vinegar. That's the old saying. And
I'm not sure why you would want to track flies,
but you get where I'm going with that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He should not take this personally.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He should take this as an opportunity, a platform from
which he can explain in greater detail his position and
give comfort to somebody who might be a little uneasy
about the answer he gave in this Dan Kaplis interview.
That's what Sherry is mentioning here. That's what she's citing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What she claimed was that Victor said, hey, my hands
are tied.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is in the state constitution. There's nothing I can really
do about it. But here's the actual audio, and we'll
let you judge for yourself.
Speaker 12 (21:50):
For me, a foundational issue has always been the life issue,
right because if they kill you before you're born, all
these other issues don't matter much.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So what would your policy be on abortion?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, I'm a child advocate, always have been. It'd be
hypocritical for me not to protect children and the woman
who are humans. So there's only two choices, life or death,
and I'm for life.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
And as governor of the state of Colorado. Is there
anything that you would want to do in particular to
try to stop children from being killed before birth?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Absolutely, Well one the people voted it is in. You know,
the people are so I can't go in and you know,
do the magical trick.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
But what we can do.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Is help women, help young women who would have an alternative.
You know, I work with doctor Dobson. When the ultrasile
machines and that came out byby started being saved. I
think we can help young women and women in general.
They don't have to go all the way to killing
a child. There are millions of people I wouldn't want
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to adopt a child right now, so providing for them.
And you know, I hear this from people who are
pro choice, you don't care about kids. Afterwards, I'm like, whoa.
They're like, what about a kid who's you know, can't
be brought into a stable environment and be abused and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, guess what. I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
The night my mom got pregnant, my father shove Rochary
beats down her throat and put a pistol to her head.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
My mother had four other children.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
She could have justifiably by culture, killed me, aborted me,
got rid of me.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But she didn't. And did I have a hell of
a childhood?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
I sure did. But you know what, I never gave up.
Whether I was being tortured, whether I was being beaten,
I never gave up.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I just wanted to get older.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
And guess what if my mother would have aboarded me,
there would be forty five thousand women and children just
in the Middle East that wouldn't have been impacted by
our lives. So yeah, I don't think we abandon I
don't think we beat down. I think we help help
them come to a different position.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now I agree with his stance on them. Let me
break this down a little bit further. Personally, he can
use the Tim Tebow angle. Tim Tebow's similar story. His
mom was told to abort him, didn't. Tim Tebow went
on to become a wonderful human contribute great things to
our society.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You can touch on that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But as a candidate, he can't make this about himself.
He can say, every abortion we have could take somebody
that would cure cancer off the face of the planet.
For those that are concerned about a child that might
be brought into an environment where they're mistreated. How can
you mistreat a child more than aborting them in the womb?
Make it about them, make it about others. Not every
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issue is a personal anecdote. Don't go there, don't make
it about you. It's so much bigger than you. It's
bigger than me, It's bigger than Victor Marx. And compare
his answer to what you might get, let's say, from
the fiercest pro life advocate I know personally, and that's
Dan Capless.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And does his answer vibe with that?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Now to the final interaction between Victor Marx and Sherry Byorklyn.
And this is where it really goes off the rails
for Victor. And I cannot abide him losing his cool
like this and treating her this way.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's just not a good look for a candidate. It's
just not It's in the constitution.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Is it in the constitution?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, each constitution cover rolls constitution.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Okay, So let me farefout this.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
You're not gonna been a homie or pay me on
the corner.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I have four children.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I'm four protecting children in the womb, Oliver.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Doctor Dobson, All before was it ever four much here
when we were bringing forth.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
I was doctor Dobinson's assistant by in two thousand and
one and all.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
For the woman that he'll bring in his sonograms and
been to.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Around the country.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
I've stood in front of the bars and clinics for
ex active children.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So look at me.
Speaker 11 (26:12):
Say that I've told choice posion of.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
A proad choice can even who's trying to be both
pro choice Andrew.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Wife carlaar Now.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
You're being a politician.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Allah. I'm telling you straight up as a man, you
are a.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Position.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Thank you for your pleasing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You can go and you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Thank you for your question. You can go because you're wrong.
Who are you? What are you talking to her like this?
For three pas?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You should never have said there. You're trying to pigeonhole me.
You're trying to put me in a corner. You're being
a politician, Victor. This is a concerned citizen who is
very strong on this issue and wants to know where
you stand. You owe it to a potential constitution. Went
to tell them exactly where you stand, and to do
it in a genial manner. This was not you know,
(27:06):
the octagon here joining us. Now the woman that you
just heard and she had this exchange with Victor Marx
at a town hall in Grand Junction, Colorado. Sherry Byorklen
our guests on Ryan Schuling Live. Erry, what about the
exchange now that you hear it back, Now that you
hear it in context with the clip that you had
cited from the Dan Kapliss show in which Victor Marx
articulated his position on abortion, what is your general reaction
(27:29):
to all of it? Hi?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Right, I appreciate you having me on the show today
so I could talk about this. The whole issue did
begin with Victor Marx when he asked Dan Caplis what
he would do. When Vic Cathlus asked Victim Marx what
he would do about abortion in Colorado, and mister Marx's
automatic response was not what he would do, but what
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he wouldn't do, which is one the people have voted
and he couldn't do them magical trick. Now, I was
trying to remember back when I said, hands are tied,
and he tried to give me it a you know,
press me against that, But it's essentially the same thing.
He couldn't be the magical trick or his hands were tied.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's essentially the same on a scale of let's say
Dan Capliss to Joe O.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Day.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Dan caplis being ten on the life issue and Joe
Day perhaps getting a failing grade from you and other
pro life members like Dan Caples's.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Let's let's put Joe at a one. Where would you
assess Victor Marx's position on this issue as you see it?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Well, I don't really put him on a scale neither
a pro choice or your pro life. I to be
honest with you, my background is that I was I
brought Mason County Right to Life. I was one of
the co founders of it back in the two thousands.
But whenever a politician tells you that they're pro life
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and then use as phrases like the people voted it's
in the constitution and personally pro life, I hear we
need to change hearts and minds. That's a classic deflection
by a politician who is ultimately pro abortion.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Or at best indifferent.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It's a word par thing that's meant to reach for pro.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Life voters without committing to action.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It is a pro choice position.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm not going to do anything about it. And many
of his close advisors are in fact.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Pro abortion.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Joining us now once again, it's Sherry Yorkln, a pro
life advocate, who asked Victor Marx this question at a
town hall.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So, Sherry, let me kind of walk down this path
with you. It was on the ballot. I was firmly
against it, as was Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We worked with Christy Burton Brown and others to try
to raise awareness on the issue. It's still passed by
a tremendous margin, almost two to one, sixty two thirty eight.
It was then codified in the law Amendment seventy nine
by the governor, and it is.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
In the state constitution. So that's where we are. That's
the starting point as it stands right now.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What different answer would you have liked to have heard
from a Victor Marx or I guess any candidate on
that issue, with those facts being known as.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I just stated them, I would have liked to have
heard mister Marx's position on what he would do. He
has the first He's never answered what he would do.
It's what he won't do or how he has, you know,
done things. He's pontificated about what he's done with. Oh,
(30:36):
doctor Dobson's Doctor Dobson's assistant. And it's kind of interesting
because his biography doesn't say he was doctor Dobson's assistant.
His biography says he was in the marketing department and
focused on the family for two years.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
His stories don't quite square with me. So, you know,
I'm not sure what he has or hasn't done in
the past. I know what he says, and a lot
of times what he says he tries to conjure up
a bigger story in the mind of the listener than
probably you know where it's based. In fact, some of
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his stories may be based in truth but exaggerated, and
so these are things unless you can determine if you're
just taking his words for it. So I would have
liked to have heard what he would do, not what
he won't do.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Erry Berklynd, our guest. Now, final question here is Cherry,
appreciate your time. And this is definitely audio worth going
over once again and for our listeners if you've missed it,
be sure to catch it on the podcast. So fundamentally,
you didn't like his answer or his stance on the
issue and how he articulated that to you, his willingness
to fight or not fight on that issue or how
he would do it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So that's one too.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You have questions about his background, his biography, what's true,
what's not true, what might be an exaggeration? I hear
you there too. The other part of this, though, kind
of like three legs of the stool, and I want
to get your thought on. This is what I had
mentioned coming into my conversation with you, where he got
combative and he kind of turned on you, and that
concerned me. That really raised a red flag with me.
(32:13):
Says you're not going to pigeonhole me, You're not going
to put me in a corner. You're being a politician.
You can go because you're wrong. Did that factor into
your assessment of him as a candidate at all or
is it just strictly love brain about the issues, his biography,
everything else. No.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Absolutely, he was trying to bully and intimidate me throughout
the whole thing, and he was deflecting and telling me,
telling the audience.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
You know what he did. He was being he was bullying.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I felt bullied, and I felt like he was pontificating,
and it wasn't really about what he was going to do.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
I do I have time to break some news. Go ahead,
there is a name I'd like your listeners to. His
name is Roger Hudson.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He's currently on the Castle Pines City Council and back
in April of last.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Year, far left.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Transactivist legislator Zoe Zephyr helped insite a protest that shut
down proceedings on the Montana House floor, and Republicans barred
that in Montana barred Zephyr from the chamber for the
rest of the session. Two months later, in June, Roger
Hudson and three other Republicans joined Colorado Democrats and signing
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a letter drafted by radical transactivist Brittany t Toone attacking
those Montana Republicans for opposing the transgender lobby behind Zephyr's actions,
And if you fast forward to today, Victor Marx is
traveling the church circuit telling people not to worry about
the issues he doesn't fully understand.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Yet, because he will surround himself with.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The best the best experts.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Well, one of those experts is Roger Hudson, mister Marx's
communication director.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
So not only has mister Marx's, in my opinion, taken
a position that amounts to pro abortion, but he's also
chosen as his key advisor and man aligned himself with
radical trans of gender activist against conservative legislators legislators, and
so is there cause concern?
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Absolutely? And I believe every Christian he's trying.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
To impress with bravado and stagecraft he should should firmly
reject his anti Christian policies that are being represented in
and around his campaign.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Sherry Yorkland our guest, and she participated in a town
hall in grand junction with Victor Marx.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
We got her side of the story. We're looking forward
to getting victors as well.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
As For your comment on Roger Hudson, I do know
him personally and have been communicating with him throughout this show.
I'm going to take the audio from your comment there
sharing I'm going to share it with Roger and I'm
going to get a response from him, and we'll have
that response hopefully for tomorrow's program. So I appreciate you
sharing that with us here today.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Cherry Byorkland, your thoughts and reaction five seven, seven three nine.
As we close out today's edition of Ryan Schuling Live,
closing out with your tax five seven seven three nine,
or thanks to Sherry Bjorkland for joining us in the
(35:29):
previous segment her interaction with Victor Marx at a Grand Junction.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Forum town hall making news over the last week or so.
Of course, I've been.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Away since the Thanksgiving holiday and looking forward to much
more ahead on this week. And of course Dan campl
is coming up at the top of the hour. Text
line falling down here, so I guess I might close
out one more SoundBite here.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Let's see you hew it on, Tim Watson. Well, we'll
just close out the show. This is what happens when
I run my own board, so you know that it's
live radio.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
My apologies for that, but we'll get back to everything
on task coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You can join us at two pm.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Be sure to catch the podcast, download, subscribe and listen
to Ryan Shuling live on your favorite podcast platform.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Stay tuned. The Dan Caplis Show is next
Only eighties kids heard their parents talk like this tech
today's kids will never know. Go outside and don't come
back till the street.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Lights come on.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
And we actually did.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
No phone, no snacks, just a bike and a stick
we pretended was a sword.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Your bored, I'll give you something to do.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Instant chores, baseboards, garage, whatever they pointed at.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Stop crying before I give you something to cry about.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Oh yeah, bro, that shut us down immediately. I'm not
a short ordered cook. You eat what I make.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Burnt meat, loaf, mystery casse role doesn't matter, you're eating it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I brought you into this world and I can take
you out, said with a smile.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
But you knew they meant business because I said so
the end of every argument. Final boss energy.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Every parent had this one ready, like it was part
of their script.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Eighties parenting was savage, but somehow weed and turned out fine.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, and again, for those of you that are Gen
Z or younger, the only thing I can recommend in
current pop culture that will give you a taste of
that experience of growing up in the eighties is Stranger Things. Now,
there's some controversy about the early episodes. I believe the
first half of the last season has been released, and
there's some discussion as to whether it depicts the sexual
(01:24):
assault of one of the youngsters by you know this
being if you follow the show, you kind of know
what I'm talking about. I have not watched the final season,
those first few episodes yet. I will and then I'll
offer up my response to that. On the whole though,
I think the series has been remarkable, and David Harber,
who plays the sheriff, he's amazing, He's outstanding, and I
(01:46):
just think it's a wonderfully creative series, and it really
depicts growing.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Up in the eighties the way that it was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
What surprises me about that is when I looked up
there are twin brothers that created the series, and they
were born in like the early to mid eighties. They
don't even remember the eighties, not themselves, and even me,
I'm fifty one, so I would be I did the
calculations in the math, I would be the same age
as Eric. I believe the character's name is. She's the
(02:13):
little sister of one of the main characters, who are
all older than I would have been at that age.
And even so, these creators of the show, they would
have been like infants during some of these seasons. So
kudos to them for capturing the eighties motif. But I
think some parenting from the eighties could make a comeback
in a.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Good way, in a big way. We'd all be better
off for it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, then there's the big Daddy, Donald Trump, another installment
Trump's Hot Takes. You might not like his style, but
you gotta like the message. It's time once again for
(03:06):
another edition of Trump's Hot Takes, churning the forty seven
president's epic interactions with the fake news media.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
This officials say that the suspect worked very closely with
the CIA in Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
For years, but he was vetted and the vetting came.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Up cleaned, he went he went cuckoo.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean, he went nuts. And that happens too.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
It happens too often with these people.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Do you see him?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But look, this is how they come in.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
This is how they're They're standing on top of each other,
and that's an airplane.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
There was no vetting or anything that came in unvetted.
And we have a lot of others in this country.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
We're going to get them out, but they go cuckoo,
something happens soon.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Your doj ig just reported this year that there was
through vetting by DHS and by the FBI of these
Afghans who were brought into the US.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
So why do you blame the Biden Admustry because they
let him in?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Are you stupid?
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Are you a stupid person because they came in on
a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't
be here, And you're just asking questions because you're.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
A stupid person. And there's a law.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out.
You can't get them out once they come in. And
they came in and they were unvetted, they were unchecked.
There were many of them, and they came in on
big planes and it was disgraceful. And if you look,
you'll see there was a law pass it makes it
almost impossible not to let them in, not to certify them,
(04:32):
so to speak, once they come in, and they came
in and they shouldn't have come in, And frankly, the
whole thing was a mess, a whole Afghanistan situation.
Speaker 8 (04:42):
Was a mess.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
We shouldn't it should have never taken place again.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Where does President Trump end and Sean Ferrish begin, because
Sean Oakaman is a very stupid person. And then President
Trump goes on and deal with some haymakers like that.
To Nancy Cortes of CBS News, he is right on
the topic.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Though.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's the Biden administration that swung the doors wide open
at our border, letting all kinds of unvetted refugees in
quotes into the country by the bus load, by the
plane load from Afghanistan after the disastrous withdraw a domino
effect there, and not every Afghan that has come into
this country means well. And we found that out the
(05:23):
hard way with the National Guard shootings. One murder in Washington,
d C. That's one murder too many. We need a
tighter border. The President controls that policy. It's in the constitution,
it's at his discretion. Immigrants are here at the pleasure
of the President of the United States and the American people.
(05:44):
They are guests in our country. It is a privilege
to be here. It is not a right. It is
not an expectation. It is not an entitlement. And I
say this as the son of an immigrant. My bubba,
my grandmother, and my mom who is two. We're lucky,
were fortunate to be here, and they went through all
of the proper channels, as did my grandfather on my
(06:06):
Slovenian Serbian side, and they took being an American seriously.
They wanted to become Americans. They wanted to assimilate to
our culture.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
They wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Participate in our customs, vote in our elections, become an
American citizen, loyalty to this country, allegiance to our flag,
and not bring with them the very communist dictates of
Tito and Yugoslavia that they fled from. That's why Cuban
Americans are such great Americans. They come to this country
(06:38):
same notion. They know what they laugh, They don't want any.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Part of that. So why are they Republicans by and large?
You know why? That's exactly why. Speaking of stupid people, I.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Just want to be clear. This is the party that
says that, you know, they care so much about life
until life actually shows up at their front door. And
this is also the party this supposedly is about Christianity,
and I just imagine what they would have done to
a little baby Jesus. But that's a whole other issue,
you know. It is really so heartbreaking. We know that
(07:08):
under the prior Trump administration it was the children in cages,
So for me, got expecting them to do better by
children was not one of the things that was on
my bingo.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Car Obama put the children in cages. This has been
debunked also. Tom Holman said it best. We're not going
to separate the kids from their parents. We're going to
deport them all together and they could be a family
outside the United States. They don't have a right to
be here. That's just the simple, plain fact of the matter.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Folks.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Baby Jesus, but baby Jesus again, what they would have
done to a little baby Jesus? Who would Christianity and
I just imagine what they would have done to a
little baby Jesus.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The Republican Party, well, we know what the Democratic Party
would like to do to a baby Jesus. Let's walk
through that narrative for a moment, shall we. Representative Jasmine Crockett, Democrat, Texas. So,
baby Jesus, it would have been birthed by a single mother.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It was an immaculate conception. Joseph, you know, bought in.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
But it was a matter of tremendous inconvenience, that he
would have to be born in a manger, they would
have to travel to Bethlehem, all these things that they
all these bridges they had to cross.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was not very convenient. And I'm very certain.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The Democrats would have supported aborting the baby Jesus in
the womb and been perfectly fine with it. So don't
maybe go there like at all. Roger Hudson just reached
out to me. He is the communications director for Victor Marx,
Republican candidate for governor, and we are organizing a time
that he will be joining me on this program in
(08:45):
the very near future, and we look forward to that conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There are a lot of.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Topics that I would love to cover with him, and
I am committed to dedicating an entire hour or entire
show to Victor Marx and going through his story.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He's got a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
To tell well, but there's a lot of stuff out
there too that he considers to be noise. He has
dedicated a portion of his website to debunking myths or
misrepresentations about him, his record, his background, etc.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
But as we have pointed out in this show.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
There are significant holes in his story about certain aspects
of his record, things that have happened in his life,
and not just the nightmarish upbringing that he had, which
sounds like a complete calamity on so many levels. But
I'm looking forward to having that conversation. And again, what
we try to do on this show is called.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Balls and strikes. I'm not here to.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Advocate on behalf of any candidate in the primary, for sure.
Now once we get to the general, it's all systems go,
and whoever the Republican nominee is, you can bet your
bottom dollar that I will support that person, just as
and I break with Dan Kaplis on this. I voted
for Joe Oday in the Senate election. I know a
lot of people had reservations about him, but the alternative
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was not acceptable. And I am a very pragmatic binary person.
When it gets to that stage, my candidate's not there,
I'm not going to cry and take my ball and
go home. I would much rather have a Republican in
that seat than a Democrat, And any misgivings I might
have had about Joe Oday, I have to set aside
for the good of the state.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's just how I view it.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You may disagree with me, but we're not going to
win in this state if we continue to squabble amongst
each other. But of course that continues on the Republican side.
There was a town hall in Grand Junction over the
last few days in which Victor Marx was confronted by
a couple of different women on the issue of abortion. Now,
(10:38):
he did address this on the Dan Kaplis Show, and
I want to make sure that we're fair to his
stands on this and also.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
To the women that are calling him out here.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
The first one, her name is Deborah, and this is
a tussle about where the issue abortion stands in our
state constitution. And I'll have commentary on the other side.
There's a couple of minutes long.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
And I have a question before you're regarding that that
hideous build that Paul has passed in the middle of
the night, and abortions lead a up to earth. I'm
still upset, Pisso.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
And you change that sadly the people voting on it.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, we did not, we did not.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
You never even put that answer for us to.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Make a voice sign. He took a middle and.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
Life and that I took my little millions up there.
I get it.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
I get it, but it was all about it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Let me tell you use the ballot. It was not
on our ballot.
Speaker 8 (11:40):
It actually was I Resa, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Here's the point.
Speaker 10 (11:46):
Here's the point.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Here's the point.
Speaker 9 (11:53):
There's only life and death.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But he outs like the humans and children should be protected.
I would be the biggest ever. Could all the kids
that I.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Saved or fans to help with call them if I
didn't stand up for the.
Speaker 10 (12:05):
Children who in the room, good night, my mom got pregnant,
my dad shove row three beats down, I throw them
from the tested through her head.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
I had three other children, my mother to them, I.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Could have born at you she children to give me
my And if I wasn't for that.
Speaker 11 (12:34):
Choice, all those kids and women not been help would
have never been help.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
I'm wanna never even sit down.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
With those kids I'm at dirt and tell them how
much cow loves them. They'll be their father in their
dad's house, and I wouldn't be able to stand before
y in eleven months, I'm gonna be the nice to
governor to stand up for unborn babies. Who is humansen
that deserve life?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, when it was mostly a very good answer by
Victor Marx, and it fits in line with his stance
that he articulated on the Dan Camplis show. It also
goes in line with what Roger has sent me on
Victor's stance.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
On the issue it is he says.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
His quote, Victor has lived his life in the protection
of women and children, this includes the unborn. Victor has
never wavered from his deep faith or his pro life beliefs.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Never.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
His response here is good, but it could be better.
How could it be better? This woman mistakenly thinks that
Jared Polis signed into the law in the middle of
the night, these abortion protections.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's only partially true.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What he signed was the codification of Amendment seventy nine,
which yes, we did in fact vote on the ballot.
Victor is right on this was Amendment seventy nine. It
was chilling, it was terrible, but it passed by a
sixty two to thirty eight margin.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That is the fact of the matter.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But he didn't have that knowledge at the ready to
respond in that forum. And this is dangerous because how
is he going to function in a radio interview like this,
or more perilously for him, a television interview with say
comrade Kyle Kyle Clark Nine News or a Republican primary debate,
or if we get to that stage, a debate in
(14:17):
the general election with Michael Bennett. He has to be
well versed on these issues. He cannot run completely as
an outsider that just says I don't know anything. No,
you gotta know now, man, you're in the arena. You're
the man in the arena. We need well detailed, defined
policy positions from you. We are depending on it, we
(14:37):
are counting on it. We need to know exactly where
you stand. No wiggle room, no gray area, no riding
the fence on an issue where you know if you
express a pro life position, that will put a dent
in you in a general election. Joe Oday knew that,
and he played that horribly. Now, I don't think Victor
(14:58):
Marx is as let's say, pro choice or I don't
know pro whatever that Joe O'Day was.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And Victor had a very good point on the Dan
Kaplis Show here about his views on this particular issue.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Reached the heart of girls and men because remember, men
often look at abortion as a form of birth control,
which is absolutely dishonoring and it's horrible. Men are better
than that, and I think we reached the heart of
men and women, which is one of my goals, which
is why I wrote The Dangerous Gentlemen to change the
(15:35):
culture of manhood and masculinity. The best compliment my broad
ever gave me when we were dating, She goes, I've
never dated a gentleman, and that still today is one
of the best compliments she ever gave me.
Speaker 12 (15:51):
Is that what you mean, Victor, by the culture of masculinity?
Speaker 8 (15:54):
Yeah, it's there seems to be an intentional effort to
tivin nice men, to make them not want to do
the basic things, stay behind a keyboard, you know, instead
of getting off the couch.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I'm not putting down guys. Now, this is good.
This is good.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I agree with what he just said very nearly one
hundred percent. But they do have to point out is
this show it's very finely tuned into pop culture. When
I hear Victor Marx, I can't help but think of
cal Naughton Jr. From Talladega Knights Listen and compare.
Speaker 13 (16:30):
I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T shirt
because it says like I want to be formal. But
I'm here to party too, because I like to party,
so I like my Jesus to party.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I like to picture Jesus as an angel fighting off
evil samurai.
Speaker 13 (16:44):
I like to think of Jesus like with John Eagle's
wings and singing lead vocals for leonyrd Skynyrd with like
an angel band.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And I'm in the front row and I'm hammered, drunks, Hey,
cal why you just shut up? His man?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Do you hear it like I did? Now he can
lean into that. I think it's great. I think you
get pop culture traction in a race like this. It's
like jet fuel. And again, everything to this point pretty good.
Got a B grade. I would say, got to get
that handle Amendment seventy nine and have that in your
quivering go back and be very calm, to be're very measured.
And he was for the most part there with Deborah
and say no, it was Amendment seventy nine. The voters
(17:21):
voted it in. I don't like it any more than
you did. Governor Pollis signed it. Yet it was late
at night. I remember this personally me Ryan on a
Friday night news dump. I remember it because it also
came with the trans protections for kids to be shipped
into this state and get their body parts chopped off.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So he needs to flesh that out in more detail.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But when we come back, I believe that he slipped
up in his response to Sherry Bjorkln on this same issue.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He got agitated, he took it.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Personally, and it got confrontational when it didn't need to.
So this is just me thirty thousand foot view. But
we'll talk with Sherry when we come back after this time.
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campaign stands? Five seven seventy three nine Here on Ryan
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Speaker 12 (19:28):
It's one more.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Thank you, mister Arms for cloud us to ask questions
in a recent radio interview.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
I'd like to pick your paid back off with the lady.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Before me said in a recent radio interview, you said
you were pro life, but also claimed before she was.
Speaker 11 (19:46):
As in the constitution, client.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
That you have studied to do they fix it.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
That's a typical pro choice position for any politician.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
And as as a sol per.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Plane pro life governor, I'd like to know when she
work with promise to remove the abortion language and the
constitution and how would you accomplish that?
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Do you believe I'm pro life and pro choice?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I think that you are pro choice and they ask
you to be.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
About the radio show interesting anytime?
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Maybe you don't you get excuse while.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's on the Constitute.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
In the Constitution, I.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Can't do anything out of my arm my hands on
hide that is not a problem passage.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Did you ever hear me say my hands for Todd?
Speaker 9 (20:34):
Yes on the radio show, you dear, and honestly, to
be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You said my answer, sir, do you pull that?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Because all here I don't ever.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Want to say list Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
That was Victor Marx asking his team to pull the
audio from the interview mentioned by our next guest, Sherry B.
Yorklan on the issue of abortion and where Victor Mark stands. Now,
just a quick aside here again, just my thirty thousand
foot view and perspective. He's getting too testy, he's taking
it too personally. He's getting combative with a constituent who
(21:08):
might vote for him. So you attract a lot more
flies with honey than vinegar. That's the old saying. And
I'm not sure why you would want to track flies,
but you get where I'm going with that.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He should not take this personally.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
He should take this as an opportunity, a platform from
which he can explain in greater detail his position and
give comfort to somebody who might be a little uneasy
about the answer he gave in this Dan Kaplis interview.
That's what Sherry is mentioning here. That's what she's citing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What she claimed was that Victor said, hey, my hands
are tied.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is in the state constitution. There's nothing I can really
do about it. But here's the actual audio, and we'll
let you judge for yourself.
Speaker 12 (21:50):
For me, a foundational issue has always been the life issue,
right because if they kill you before you're born, all
these other issues don't matter much.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So what would your policy be on abortion?
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Well, I'm a child advocate, always have been. It'd be
hypocritical for me not to protect children and the woman
who are humans. So there's only two choices, life or death,
and I'm for life.
Speaker 12 (22:14):
And as governor of the state of Colorado. Is there
anything that you would want to do in particular to
try to stop children from being killed before birth?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Absolutely, Well one the people voted it is in. You know,
the people are so I can't go in and you know,
do the magical trick.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
But what we can do.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Is help women, help young women who would have an alternative.
You know, I work with doctor Dobson. When the ultrasile
machines and that came out byby started being saved. I
think we can help young women and women in general.
They don't have to go all the way to killing
a child. There are millions of people I wouldn't want
(23:00):
to adopt a child right now, so providing for them.
And you know, I hear this from people who are
pro choice, you don't care about kids. Afterwards, I'm like, whoa.
They're like, what about a kid who's you know, can't
be brought into a stable environment and be abused and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, guess what. I was a kid.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
The night my mom got pregnant, my father shove Rochary
beats down her throat and put a pistol to her head.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
My mother had four other children.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
She could have justifiably by culture, killed me, aborted me,
got rid of me.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But she didn't. And did I have a hell of
a childhood?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
I sure did. But you know what, I never gave up.
Whether I was being tortured, whether I was being beaten,
I never gave up.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I just wanted to get older.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
And guess what if my mother would have aboarded me,
there would be forty five thousand women and children just
in the Middle East that wouldn't have been impacted by
our lives. So yeah, I don't think we abandon I
don't think we beat down. I think we help help
them come to a different position.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now I agree with his stance on them. Let me
break this down a little bit further. Personally, he can
use the Tim Tebow angle. Tim Tebow's similar story. His
mom was told to abort him, didn't. Tim Tebow went
on to become a wonderful human contribute great things to
our society.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You can touch on that.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
But as a candidate, he can't make this about himself.
He can say, every abortion we have could take somebody
that would cure cancer off the face of the planet.
For those that are concerned about a child that might
be brought into an environment where they're mistreated. How can
you mistreat a child more than aborting them in the womb?
Make it about them, make it about others. Not every
(24:45):
issue is a personal anecdote. Don't go there, don't make
it about you. It's so much bigger than you. It's
bigger than me, It's bigger than Victor Marx. And compare
his answer to what you might get, let's say, from
the fiercest pro life advocate I know personally, and that's
Dan Capless.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And does his answer vibe with that?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Now to the final interaction between Victor Marx and Sherry Byorklyn.
And this is where it really goes off the rails
for Victor. And I cannot abide him losing his cool
like this and treating her this way.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's just not a good look for a candidate. It's
just not It's in the constitution.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Is it in the constitution?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yes, each constitution cover rolls constitution.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Okay, So let me farefout this.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
You're not gonna been a homie or pay me on
the corner.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I have four children.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I'm four protecting children in the womb, Oliver.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Doctor Dobson, All before was it ever four much here
when we were bringing forth.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
I was doctor Dobinson's assistant by in two thousand and
one and all.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
For the woman that he'll bring in his sonograms and
been to.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Around the country.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
I've stood in front of the bars and clinics for
ex active children.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So look at me.
Speaker 11 (26:12):
Say that I've told choice posion of.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
A proad choice can even who's trying to be both
pro choice Andrew.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Wife carlaar Now.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
You're being a politician.
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Allah. I'm telling you straight up as a man, you
are a.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Position.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
Thank you for your pleasing.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You can go and you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Thank you for your question. You can go because you're wrong.
Who are you? What are you talking to her like this?
For three pas?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You should never have said there. You're trying to pigeonhole me.
You're trying to put me in a corner. You're being
a politician, Victor. This is a concerned citizen who is
very strong on this issue and wants to know where
you stand. You owe it to a potential constitution. Went
to tell them exactly where you stand, and to do
it in a genial manner. This was not you know,
(27:06):
the octagon here joining us. Now the woman that you
just heard and she had this exchange with Victor Marx
at a town hall in Grand Junction, Colorado. Sherry Byorklen
our guests on Ryan Schuling Live. Erry, what about the
exchange now that you hear it back, Now that you
hear it in context with the clip that you had
cited from the Dan Kapliss show in which Victor Marx
articulated his position on abortion, what is your general reaction
(27:29):
to all of it? Hi?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Right, I appreciate you having me on the show today
so I could talk about this. The whole issue did
begin with Victor Marx when he asked Dan Caplis what
he would do. When Vic Cathlus asked Victim Marx what
he would do about abortion in Colorado, and mister Marx's
automatic response was not what he would do, but what
(27:54):
he wouldn't do, which is one the people have voted
and he couldn't do them magical trick. Now, I was
trying to remember back when I said, hands are tied,
and he tried to give me it a you know,
press me against that, But it's essentially the same thing.
He couldn't be the magical trick or his hands were tied.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's essentially the same on a scale of let's say
Dan Capliss to Joe O.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Day.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Dan caplis being ten on the life issue and Joe
Day perhaps getting a failing grade from you and other
pro life members like Dan Caples's.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Let's let's put Joe at a one. Where would you
assess Victor Marx's position on this issue as you see it?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Well, I don't really put him on a scale neither
a pro choice or your pro life. I to be
honest with you, my background is that I was I
brought Mason County Right to Life. I was one of
the co founders of it back in the two thousands.
But whenever a politician tells you that they're pro life
(29:00):
and then use as phrases like the people voted it's
in the constitution and personally pro life, I hear we
need to change hearts and minds. That's a classic deflection
by a politician who is ultimately pro abortion.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Or at best indifferent.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
It's a word par thing that's meant to reach for pro.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Life voters without committing to action.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It is a pro choice position.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I'm not going to do anything about it. And many
of his close advisors are in fact.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Pro abortion.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Joining us now once again, it's Sherry Yorkln, a pro
life advocate, who asked Victor Marx this question at a
town hall.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So, Sherry, let me kind of walk down this path
with you. It was on the ballot. I was firmly
against it, as was Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We worked with Christy Burton Brown and others to try
to raise awareness on the issue. It's still passed by
a tremendous margin, almost two to one, sixty two thirty eight.
It was then codified in the law Amendment seventy nine
by the governor, and it is.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
In the state constitution. So that's where we are. That's
the starting point as it stands right now.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What different answer would you have liked to have heard
from a Victor Marx or I guess any candidate on
that issue, with those facts being known as.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
I just stated them, I would have liked to have
heard mister Marx's position on what he would do. He
has the first He's never answered what he would do.
It's what he won't do or how he has, you know,
done things. He's pontificated about what he's done with. Oh,
(30:36):
doctor Dobson's Doctor Dobson's assistant. And it's kind of interesting
because his biography doesn't say he was doctor Dobson's assistant.
His biography says he was in the marketing department and
focused on the family for two years.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
His stories don't quite square with me. So, you know,
I'm not sure what he has or hasn't done in
the past. I know what he says, and a lot
of times what he says he tries to conjure up
a bigger story in the mind of the listener than
probably you know where it's based. In fact, some of
(31:11):
his stories may be based in truth but exaggerated, and
so these are things unless you can determine if you're
just taking his words for it. So I would have
liked to have heard what he would do, not what
he won't do.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Erry Berklynd, our guest. Now, final question here is Cherry,
appreciate your time. And this is definitely audio worth going
over once again and for our listeners if you've missed it,
be sure to catch it on the podcast. So fundamentally,
you didn't like his answer or his stance on the
issue and how he articulated that to you, his willingness
to fight or not fight on that issue or how
he would do it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So that's one too.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You have questions about his background, his biography, what's true,
what's not true, what might be an exaggeration? I hear
you there too. The other part of this, though, kind
of like three legs of the stool, and I want
to get your thought on. This is what I had
mentioned coming into my conversation with you, where he got
combative and he kind of turned on you, and that
concerned me. That really raised a red flag with me.
(32:13):
Says you're not going to pigeonhole me, You're not going
to put me in a corner. You're being a politician.
You can go because you're wrong. Did that factor into
your assessment of him as a candidate at all or
is it just strictly love brain about the issues, his biography,
everything else. No.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Absolutely, he was trying to bully and intimidate me throughout
the whole thing, and he was deflecting and telling me,
telling the audience.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
You know what he did. He was being he was bullying.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I felt bullied, and I felt like he was pontificating,
and it wasn't really about what he was going to do.
Speaker 9 (32:51):
I do I have time to break some news. Go ahead,
there is a name I'd like your listeners to. His
name is Roger Hudson.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
He's currently on the Castle Pines City Council and back
in April of last.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
Year, far left.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Transactivist legislator Zoe Zephyr helped insite a protest that shut
down proceedings on the Montana House floor, and Republicans barred
that in Montana barred Zephyr from the chamber for the
rest of the session. Two months later, in June, Roger
Hudson and three other Republicans joined Colorado Democrats and signing
(33:33):
a letter drafted by radical transactivist Brittany t Toone attacking
those Montana Republicans for opposing the transgender lobby behind Zephyr's actions,
And if you fast forward to today, Victor Marx is
traveling the church circuit telling people not to worry about
the issues he doesn't fully understand.
Speaker 9 (33:53):
Yet, because he will surround himself with.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The best the best experts.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
Well, one of those experts is Roger Hudson, mister Marx's
communication director.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
So not only has mister Marx's, in my opinion, taken
a position that amounts to pro abortion, but he's also
chosen as his key advisor and man aligned himself with
radical trans of gender activist against conservative legislators legislators, and
so is there cause concern?
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Absolutely? And I believe every Christian he's trying.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
To impress with bravado and stagecraft he should should firmly
reject his anti Christian policies that are being represented in
and around his campaign.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Sherry Yorkland our guest, and she participated in a town
hall in grand junction with Victor Marx.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
We got her side of the story. We're looking forward
to getting victors as well.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
As For your comment on Roger Hudson, I do know
him personally and have been communicating with him throughout this show.
I'm going to take the audio from your comment there
sharing I'm going to share it with Roger and I'm
going to get a response from him, and we'll have
that response hopefully for tomorrow's program. So I appreciate you
sharing that with us here today.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Cherry Byorkland, your thoughts and reaction five seven, seven three nine.
As we close out today's edition of Ryan Schuling Live,
closing out with your tax five seven seven three nine,
or thanks to Sherry Bjorkland for joining us in the
(35:29):
previous segment her interaction with Victor Marx at a Grand Junction.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Forum town hall making news over the last week or so.
Of course, I've been.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Away since the Thanksgiving holiday and looking forward to much
more ahead on this week. And of course Dan campl
is coming up at the top of the hour. Text
line falling down here, so I guess I might close
out one more SoundBite here.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Let's see you hew it on, Tim Watson. Well, we'll
just close out the show. This is what happens when
I run my own board, so you know that it's
live radio.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
My apologies for that, but we'll get back to everything
on task coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You can join us at two pm.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Be sure to catch the podcast, download, subscribe and listen
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Speaker 3 (36:24):
Stay tuned. The Dan Caplis Show is next
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