February 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Another day, another development in the JeffCo Public Schools saga of grooming and abuse of children in the district by administrators, teachers, and staff. This time, evidence is uncovered by Lindsay Datko of JeffCo Kids First that shows the school district stood to financially gain from declaring students 'homeless.'
She joins Ryan to dig into the details on this 'pay to prey' scandal.
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Ryan also talks about the soon-to-be-released Epstein Lists and what we should expect from its release.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a letter from his matchte the King. It's
an invitation for a second state visit. This is really special.
This has never happened before. This is unprecedented, and I
think that just symbolizes the strength of the relationship between us.
So this is a very special letter. I think the
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last state visit was a tremendous success. His Matchley the
King wants to make this even better than that. So
this is this is truly historic, an unprecedented second. There's
experience to talk that through.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
With you, and that there's a winder.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's that's something.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, well I haven't got yet, is your answer?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The answer is yes, we have. Of our wonderful first
Lady Milani and myself, the answer is yes, and we
look forward to being there and honoring the King and
honoring early your country. Your country is a fantastic country,
and it'll be our honor to be there.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, thank you very much much, mister President. I shall
happily take that back to his Machestan.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Prime Minister Keir Starmer of the Labor Party from the
UK visiting the White House and holding a joint news
conference with President Trump at the White House, and it's
been a busy week and it will continue to be
for the president as earlier. Emmanuel Macrone this week visited
the president of France and Vladimir Zelensky scheduled to visit
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tomorrow to sign and finalize a deal that would return
minerals rare earth minerals to the United States in exchange
for the approximately three hundred and fifty billion dollars that
has been invested in their country for their war with Russia.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And I don't think it's out of line for.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
The United States to expect something in return on their investment,
if a victory in the war itself. For Ukraine, it's
been a stalemate to this point, in large part ever
since Russia invaded Ukraine and attempted to sack Kiev. They
have not been able to do it. They do hold
on Russia to the Donbas region and Crimea, and those
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will likely remain in Russian hands. That's unfortunate, but nobody's
going to get everything they want out of this deal
and out of this war. In order to end it,
any war that comes to an end without a clear victor,
there is going to have to be a compromise that
both sides aren't exactly thrilled with even though Russia absolutely
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was and is the aggressor and the wrongful party, and
Ukraine is the wronged party. It's terrible, But this is
the hand that Donald Trump was dealt. He was not
in the game, so to speak, to receive these cards.
Joe Biden stood up from the table and left him
with this awful hand to play for the remains of
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the hand. And so when you look at it in
those terms, Trump's only going to be able to do
so much, and he keeps getting pressure and criticism from
those on the outside. Jasmine Crockett had a very incongruous
statement that will feature a little bit later on the
representative from Texas stating that on one hand, Donald Trump
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is Putin's buddy puppet, whatever pale, and somehow because of
that it might send us headlong into World War three.
I'm still trying to do the math on that one.
The agitator being Russia. If Trump opens up talks and
lines of communication with Sergei Lavrov and Vladimir Putin and
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Russia and gets them to come to the table and
participate at least in discussions, opening up that dialogue for
a potential end of the war. I'm failing to see
how that's an accelerant for the fire in Ukraine to
escalate to a broader and larger war the path that
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we were on under President Biden, and how the Democrats
would have it, and I'm supposing most of Europe, at
least prior to Donald Trump ascending to the office of
President of the United States, this was careening on a
course toward it broader conflict because there was no resolution
in sight. Russia was spending a lot of blood treasure
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in the pursuit of Kiev in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They were not successful in that endeavor.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They are wasting resources, so to that practical effect, the
end result is a weaker Russia. So they would need
to enlist the help of some of their tenuous allies
in China, North Korea, Iran, to name a few, and
they might be pushed into that should there be no
end in sight to this ongoing war that Russia started.
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But unless the apparently the United Kingdom is committed to
maybe sending boots on the ground and resources, weaponry aircraft
to Ukraine, but that in and of itself as an
act by a neighboring nation a NATO nation, but not
on NATO's behalf.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
If the UK decides to do it of their own.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Volition, that could be a signal and a sign to
Putin and Russia that the war again is escalating, rather
than where we are, which is kind of this purgatory state.
Donald Trump is trying to move us off of that square,
and by us, I mean the entire world.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And to do that, you've got to get down to
brass tacks.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You can't just sit there and start popping off at Russia,
the party in this that's going to be the most
difficult to cajole into move toward the direction of peace
and ending the war. It has to be done in
such a way in which flammer Putin saves face to
some degree. It's not that it's in our interest that
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he saved, mind you, But you're trying to get to
a destination.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In order to continue down.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
A path that leads to that destination, Yeah, you're gonna
have to make some concessions, feed the guy's ego, You
bring them along slowly, and nip it in the butt
at some point. So I get the strategy psychologically that
President Trump is enlisting here and a lot of people
don't like it because it comes across as he's being
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much more stern and harder on Zelensky than he is
on Putin.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
But that is by design. One.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
If I'm gonna dive into the Orange man's mind here,
it's Zelensky can take it, Ukraine can take it from us,
because hey, we've been footing the bill for this. So
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna listen, and it's
not gonna go the way that you want it to go.
You have it won this war three hundred and fifty
billion dollars into it. How are many lives? Everything that
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we're sending is just a bottomless, pit ending story. It's
a blank check continuing for as long as it takes.
As Joe Biden said, no, this cannot go on in perpetuity.
Think of all the goods are better that money could
have gone toward here in the United States. It's not
that we shouldn't have helped Ukraine, But at what point
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does the bill come do like, we we've got to
have some movement here, not just a quagmire of a
forever war that we just continue to fund without end.
That's not a plausible endgame scenario or plan. So Adam
Schiff has really been out of shape about all of this,
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and Will Flitzer had him on his program CNN to discuss.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
As you heard, the President says, the US will not
be making, in his words, security guarantees to Ukraine beyond
very much close quote.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
How do you interpret that?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, this is an effort to pressure, as a Lensky
into giving up something for nothing. And I have to
say this, on top of the resolution at the United
Nations where the United States excided with Russia betrayed Ukraine
is one of the most shameful incidents in modern history.
I think millions and millions and millions of Americans watching
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this not only disagree with the President, but maybe for
the first time, are just downright ashamed of the president
because we have betrayed an ally. We've not only betrayed
an ally, but we've betrayed our principles. Are we to
be nothing except transactional? Now we have no commitment to democracy,
no commitment to our allies. It's all going to be
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about the money. That seems to be Donald Trump's orientation.
But what a sad chapter of our history.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
The sad chapter was Joe Biden on who's watch this
happened in the first place? And Trump has said at
time and again, and he's right, this never would have
happened if President Trump were in office. Putin would not
have tried it. He would have known better because Donald
Trump is that unpredictable. It's a bit of a wild
card there. I'll turn Moscow into glass.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Try me. Well, maybe he might.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So we're gonna go ahead and not push that or
test him on that. Where is Adam Shift's endgame scenario?
What is his plan for victory? What does it look like?
Be specific? How many more dollars, how many more lives?
How does Ukraine win this war? You've had your way,
You've had your plan. Democrats the left, for some reason,
this new kind of warhawk, left war pig left that
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wants to keep us involved and entrenched and embroiled and
entangled with this Ukraine war with no strategy for victory,
no plan of attack, no end destination of mind, and
no way to get there. So, Adam Shift, would you
have you believe that their way was working? Their way
was not working. It was feudle this pursuit, and Donald
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Trump stepped in and yeah, it is about money, and yes,
it is transactional.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's how you make deals.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Russia is gonna come away with something from this that's
not great. That almost serves like an incentive for them
to have done it in the first place, like it
was worth it, like they are being rewarded for that.
I get that, but find us another way out for
those that would criticize this mode of attack that Donald
Trump has toward this problem. He's a lot smarter and
certainly a lot more cunning than a lot of people
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give him credit for. And I'm gonna trust the process
here and see where it goes, because it's going in
a much faster and more definitive direction now than it
ever did on Joe Biden's Watch five seven seventy three nine.
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still waiting on this, and z Man, I might need
your help over there, Zax Seegers producing today's show. We're
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keeping an eye and I've got the two TV screens
up on the potential release of the Epstein files. Now,
I would imagine, since neither CNN or Fox News are
talking talking about it has been done yet, but it
seems to be just a matter of time. And in
fact might be a matter of days, and further that
point might be just a matter of hours. As Pam Bondi,
Attorney General, told Jesse Waters last.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Night, you said last week that you have the Epstein
files on your desk. When can we see them and
what's taking so long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To release them?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
I do, Jesse, there are well over this will make
you sick, two hundred victims.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Two hundred so we have well over two hundred.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
And fifty actually, so we have to make sure that
their identity is protected and their personal information. But other
than that, I think tomorrow the personal information of victims.
Other than that, I think tomorrow, Jesse, breaking news. Right now,
you're going to see some Epstein information being released by
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my office.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I went through a lot of this same song and
dance as I investigated, covered, and reported on exclusively and
definitely from the outset the entire Larry Nasser abuse scandal,
his trial, and then those that surrounded him who either
willingly or unwittingly aided and abedded him in the stalking, pursuit,
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and predatory behavior toward these young girls in Twist Stars
at Michigan State University Gymnastics and for Team USA under
Bellacoroli Michigan State University to this day, and you guys
know how much I love my Spartans, but they were
obstinate in releasing all of their legal documentation, timeline evidence
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of what Larry Nasser did and when he did it
at Michigan State. In a rare occasion where I agreed
with the Attorney General Dana Nessel, Democrat in the state
of Michigan, she was pressing through the legal process as
the age of the state to force Michigan State to
compel them to release those records. And there was some
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nonsense about attorney client privilege privilege. These were privileged documents
and information that being decide the point. Michigan Stay, in
my view, needed to take it upon themselves to do
the right thing by the public, by their fans, by
their alumni, by their students, by the community, by the victims,
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to make that affirmative choice, regardless of privilege, and not
hide behind that. So I come at this from that angle,
and I'm not trying to cast dispersions to PAMBONDI. I
get what she's saying. You want to protect the victims
as much as you're able. However, having spoken to victims
very much along these lines who were sexually abused and manipulated.
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The victims at some point said, you know what, in
order for me to help have this never happen again
to another little girl, or to make this public, I'm
gonna let my name get out. I'm going to testify
in public. Jordan wait Webber did this, the famed gold medalist.
You also saw a lot of bigger names in the
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gymnastics world come forward and talk about this, and some
that were not big names at all but just participated
in local gymnastics in the Lansing area. But my point is, yes,
you want to protect the victims, but you don't do
it by protecting the offenders. And if the victims' names
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get out, if it's if the end justifies the means
in bringing down these sick monsters, whoever they may be,
that are on Epstein's list, then you go public with it.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Nobody's going to blame these
girls for what happened. You do want to respect their privacy,
and in many cases, these girls were miners at the
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time they were of trafficked and abused, and you do
want to be sensitive that. But it cannot become a
barrier or an obstacle to revealing the true ruth for
the public good. And that's where I hope Pam Bondi
comes down on this ultimately.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, kid, are we going to see who was on
the flights? Are we going to see any evidence from
what he recorded? Because he had all of his homes
wired with recording devices.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names at a lot
of information, but.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Pretty sick. What that man did, okay well along with
his co defendant.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Absolutely and he had help, that's for He sure did.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He sure did. And so that was last night.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Earlier today, Elena Habba, attorney for the President Donald Trump,
appeared on Pierce Morgan and had a bit more pointed
commentary about what was coming and what would come of it.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Jeffrey Epstein files were told awe to be imminently unleashed.
And already we saw the Attorney General Pam Bondi say
that it's the scale of what happened. He is faar
worse than anyone realized. It's well over two hundred, maybe
two hundred and fifty victims, and that we're going to
get information either later today or tomorrow from these files.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What can you tell me about that.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
I believe it will be today. I was just with I.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Saw Pam and Cash in the White House just before
coming on your show, and I can tell you that
I haven't been privy to it yet, but I know
it is coming out.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
They will be taking portions of it. We have to
be patient. And I said this last.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Night at a dinner with some media and I said,
I think America needs to remember one thing.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
We are going to be promises made, promises kept. But
when you're dealing with.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Victims, And by the way, this is a perfect example
of a case that was vetted, that went through trial,
that had testimony, and was prosecuted the right way. And
I don't preemptively attack.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
That's just not the way I operate.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
But in this case, in Epstein's case, it is incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
We have flight logs, we haven't information. Names that will
come out, and.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Again we have to be very careful not to stigmatize
or revictimize or place any kind of shadow of doubt
or blame on the girls who were targeted in this
and used in trafficked focus has to be on the
names on this list, and we know probably a handful
of them that are going to appear. Pierce Morgan asked
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about if there's going to be any surprises to this, is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It going to be shocking.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
I don't see how it's not shocking that there were
so many individuals that.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
Were hidden.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
And kept secret and not been held accountable.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Let's talk about the reverse.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
I believe in accountability, so you have to now go
through your process. Now I won't say they're guilty until
they go through their time in court.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
But again, now it's time for accountability.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
We have seen for so many years peers in this country,
many investigations, subpoenas, test to monies in Congress, et cetera.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Et cetera.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
But there's a general frustration with accountability. We take it halfway,
we don't take it home.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
And I really believe that now with Cash and PAM,
there will be accountability.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Sources telling Fox that the documents to be released today
have largely been seen in the public domain, so there
have been reporters out there claiming, Hey, I've got some
of the flight logs, this information is accurate, and perhaps
at the very least that'll be confirmed in the release
of those documents today. We expect it imminently. It's four
twenty three pm in the Eastern time zone.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Presently, we know that only one person so far has
actually gone to prison over that whole scandal, Gilly Maxwell,
the former lover of Jeffrey Epstein. No man so far
has actually been put in prison as a result of
what happened. Do you think by releasing information from missiles
we are likely to see criminal actions being taken?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Absolutely? Really, I think it would be negligent for us
not to You have to hold individuals who.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
Are indeed rapists accountable. We have to have them tried,
in my opinion, and I do believe in that. You know,
nobody should be just dismissed. You have to have your
time in court and your case will be heard. But
to hide lists, to protect political friends, all of that,
we don't have time for that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
We don't have time for that. But we have time
for Lindsay Datko.
Speaker 11 (19:24):
Next, mcormick says, the mom stumbled upon the homeless document
while cleaning her daughter's room and later found a letter
describing her daughter kissing Carney, along with thousands of calls
and texts between the two. She says, she sent Carnie
a message warning her it needed to stop, and then
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took the calls and text to the principal, who, she says,
dismiss them, telling her Miss Carney takes interest in helping
kids navigate their sexuality. Do you think the school would
have reacted differently had Carney been a male teacher?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
Absolutely, Carney quit, but it would take two years and
pressure from the mom before she lost her teaching license.
McCormick says her friend lost far more when her daughter
turned eighteen, she moved out of state with the teacher.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It's really scary to think that there are schools and.
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Teachers and administrations that are working behind your back, not
in the best interest of your child.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Reporting from CBS Colorado Channel four here locally in Denver
and the Great Sean Boyd. It's just remarkable to me
that everybody in a position of authority who was a
mandatory reporter in this scenario not only failed the young
female student, but knowingly concealed information from that student's parents,
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and nary a punishment has been handed down, not one,
in my opinion. At minimum, Scott Christie needs to go.
He needs to be terminated. He needs to resign yesterday.
The fact that this happened on his watch, with his
full knowledge, awareness, and approval, he was either incompetent or
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he was negligent. And those are the two kindest assessments
I can offer for the principle of Columbine High School's
role in this. It is a catastrophic failure. You are
supposed to protect the kids from your own employee who
was preying upon her, and your explanation was this.
Speaker 11 (21:39):
Ms Carney takes interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
No, under no circumstances, male teacher to female, male to male,
female to female, female to male, unless they're properly taught
and how to counsel a younger on their sexuality specifically,
that is an inappropriate relationship.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Teachers are not there to help us navigate our sexuality
as students. That is grooming grounds. And Christy should have
known better, And if he didn't, then he needs to
go anyway. But I think that he did, and he
chose to do nothing, And he chose to do nothing
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in the aftermath of the story going public. He's done nothing,
he said nothing, he's corrected nothing, he has taken no
responsibility or accountability on the behalf of the school for
this happening.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It is unacceptable. Haven't heard those words from him? Why not?
Well joining us now?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
There's always a different turn in these stories that happens
almost on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lindsay, Dako, jeffco Kids First.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It might be even more nefarious when I just outlined
because there might have been money involved. Lindsay, jeffco Kids First.
You can follow on Facebook. Make sure you join that group.
It's a private one.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
There.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
She's on Ryan Schooling Live right now. Lindsay, welcome and
what's the latest, hey, Ryan?
Speaker 12 (23:14):
Well, imagine your four point six GPA captain of the
swim team child is not only groomed and abused by
a predatory teacher, but then falsely and deceptively declared homeless
on federal paperwork. And now we come to find out
that the school district indeed financially gains from that same paperwork.
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So we have the counselor and the family liaison and
the McKinney VNTO Homeless Act liaison in their email showing
absolute deception. They talk about getting her ducks in a row,
how they did a soft verification of homelessness, even though
they had quote not had the chance to meet her.
Yet they explicitly discuss avoiding the parents' act information on
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Federal Forum. They explicitly avoid the parent's phone number and
exchange the student's phone number a minor that was paid
for by the parents.
Speaker 13 (24:10):
And so if that's not.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
Enough, I receive a tip that there are grants tied
to the specific paperwork. So right now we have a
bird's eye view of this. I sent an open records
request asking for financials for the year before the incident,
the year surrounding it, and the year prior or the
year after.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And so the year.
Speaker 12 (24:31):
Before they received one hundred and twenty eight dollars in
grants based on this paperwork, the year surrounding this incident
one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars, oh, and the
year after it plummets to nineteen thousand dollars. And presumably
they were corrected after this incident. And so we are
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left with a lot of questions based on this open record.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
The thesis, then, based on your findings there, lindsay, would
be that they stood to benefit financially from declaring this
young lady, and perhaps others to be homeless because they
would be granted moneies.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Is that a succinct summary.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
Is And of course, at this point in time, we
cannot pinpoint motive or intent or where these funds have
been allocated. But again from a bird's eye view, it's
clear that more answers are needed that the district does
benefit from that specific paperwork being filed.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Lindsay Dadko Jefco Kids First, joining us with an update
on the Columbine High School grooming scandal that has blown
up nationally internationally. It is a disgrace for Jeffco Public
schools and for Columbine High School one that it happened.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That's bad enough. It happened.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It comes to the principal's desk. He needs to deal
with it. He didn't, he hasn't, doesn't look like he
will at the very least. There are clear ethical violations
here and the treatment of this young student and how
the teacher involved in the grooming was not disciplined in
any way. She left of her own volition and only
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a couple of years later was her teaching license revoked,
and that was because of pressure that was put upon
the school district. Then she moves to California. Then the
young lady turns eighteen and moves with her to live
with her groomer at that point, so lindsay, I want
to get to the brass tax of the legal aspects
of this. We had some great information from Alison Browner
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earlier this week on this program, getting into the timeline
of what happened, what was reported, what was investigated by
Jeffco Police. What do we know along those lines. Are
they reacting to the coverage of this story, to these
details coming out, Why were they not more involved throughout
this entire process.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or were they?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And we have we heard one word from the district
attorney in the first Judicial District for Colorado, Alexis King.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
You know, Ryan.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
So there has been some movement that we're aware of
with all of the shehriff investigation and other quoras that
have been uncovered, and so we're hopeful that that has
made it to the desk of Alexis King. But I
think one thing that needs to be really clarified for
the public. And I happened to read a Blaze yesterday
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where the sheriff actually gave statement to the Blaze, but
they focused on the fact that the child while she's
no longer a child, but she is with her predator.
She's not cooperative and so they're not able to look
into the grooming aspect. And while that aspect is horrific,
what we are zeroing in on right now is the paperwork,
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the fraudulent paperwork that many legal minds have told us
look to be fraudulent and even forged, and so that
is where we want the focus to be. We of
course want justice for the child, the girl, the students,
but we are wanting everyone to zero in on the
fact that there was deception and possible fraudulent and forged paperwork.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Final note on this, lindsay, we so appreciate your time,
your efforts dedicated to this cause and this very important
story that we are going to cover tooth and nail
going forward from here on this program, in this station.
But that would be a remedy for the parents in
this who had their child stolen from them with the
aiding and a betting of the school district. Directly, and
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I'm not speaking out a turn here, this is exactly
what happened, regardless of whether this young woman chooses to
cooperate or not. And you could see a groomed, brainwashed
mind probably would not cooperate. She probably believes the sun
rises and sets with their groomer, that was the whole
point of the grooming. But that in the legal process
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that there would be some kind of relief available to
the parents of this child, and that the legal process
would play out in a way that would investigate this thoroughly.
And that's why I'm frustrated by what you just told
me about jeffic police.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I kind of get it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
But like you said, there are so many other layers
to this where justice can be pursued and hopefully achieved.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Where do you see this going from here?
Speaker 12 (29:15):
Yeah, we hope an investigation is open again on the
criminal aspect.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Of the paperwork.
Speaker 12 (29:21):
Of course, a civil action could be brought forward with
the cooperation of the now adult students and the parents
getting to know them very well, truly and sincerely, find
that the remedy will come to them through proper accountability
to deter anyone else from this kind of behavior and
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ensuring proper consequences and policies and strict guidelines in jeff
Co Public schools.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There is nothing at present that leads me to believe
that this would be handled any differently by Columbine High School.
Maybe because the spotlights on them, but it's not from
any sort of intrinsic sense of right and wrong and
what should or should not happen at their schools. They're
having to be cajoled into this type of policy change,
and they've done it dragging their feet.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So forgive me.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
If I'm not that optimistic about where this goes from here,
specifically at Columbine. As long as the current principle is
in the position there, Scott Christie and whoever else was
involved in this, they all have to be gone.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And at Jeffco Public Schools, we know this is not
an isolated incident. It's an epidemic and it needs to
be dealt with. And the person on the front lines
fighting for this information for Jeffco kids first is Lindsay Dako. Lindsay,
you're truly a hero in our community. We appreciate all
you do and thanks for joining.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Me again here today.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Thank you, Ryan, Lindsay Datko right there your reaction five seven,
seven thirty nine. Hollywood lost a great one. We'll talk
in greater detail about it tomorrow. On the right side
of Hollywood with Christian Toto and Deborah flo Ura. The
Great Gene Hackman found dead in his home along with
his wife and a dog.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's a bizarre story. He was ninety five years old.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Will take time to reflect on the life of the
great actor when we come back after this on Ryan
Juling Life.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
Authorities in New Mexico are investigating after legendary actor Gene Hackman,
his wife, and their dog were all found dead inside
of their home.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
According to a search warrant, investigators found no signs of
carbon monoxide and no signs of forced entry. The front
door was open when the couple was found. An investigators
say they found an open bottle of prescription pills near
Hackman's wife. Police assured the community there is no danger
to public. ABC's Reena Roy has the latest.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
An investigation underway into the depths of award winning actor
Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And their dog.
Speaker 15 (31:54):
The family found dead in their Santa Fe, New Mexico home,
Wednesday afternoon. The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office there's no
foul play suspected at this time. Hackman was a two
time Oscar winner, nominated five times over a decade long career.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He never phoned it in.
Speaker 16 (32:09):
He had that presence that filled up every inch of
the screens. If you put your effort in concentration into
playing to your potential, it'll be the best that you
can be.
Speaker 15 (32:17):
From the basketball coach in Hoosiers to Lex Luthor and Superman, you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Were great in your day, Superman Hackman.
Speaker 15 (32:24):
Speaking with GMA from the set of Superman four.
Speaker 16 (32:26):
You have little kids come up to you on the
street and say you're the evil guy, and that's kind
of fun.
Speaker 15 (32:31):
The legendary actor winning his first Oscar Best Actor for
his role in The French Connection, I Don't Buy Stuff
is in that Car, and then another Best Supporting Actor
for his role in Unforgiven Right.
Speaker 13 (32:44):
Gentlemen, He's got one barrel left.
Speaker 16 (32:47):
Geene Hackman had a very much of an everyman quality.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He once told me I talked to him years ago
that for the first forty years of his life.
Speaker 16 (32:55):
Nobody recognized him because he wasn't famous, and he just
looked like you know, your uncle or the butchered at
the grocery store.
Speaker 15 (33:01):
Years ago, Hackman was asked by GQ magazine how we'd
want to be remembered as a decent actor, he said,
as someone who tried to portray what was given to
them in an honest fashion.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Hackman was ninety five.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
His wife, sixty four, was a classical pianist. They lived
in New Mexico together since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
The couple married in nineteen ninety one. Simply one of
the all.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Time greats, and we'll be discussing him in greater detail
with Christian Toto and Debora Florid tomorrow on the right
side of Hollywood taking nominations for your top five all
time favorite Gene Hackman performances in a film. There were
a few mentioned there, unforgiven phenomenal. He's outstanding in that
Koosier's right here. You got to hear the whole speech.
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They play this today in many arenas for hockey and basketball.
Speaker 16 (33:45):
There's a condition in tournament play and not talking about
the next step until you've climbed the one.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
In front of you.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I'm sure going to the state finals and beyond.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Your wildest dream. So let's just keep it right there.
Forget about the crowds, the size of.
Speaker 16 (34:06):
The school, their fancy uniforms, and remember what got you here.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Focus on the fundamentals.
Speaker 16 (34:14):
We've gone over time and time again. And most important,
don't get caught up thinking about winning or losing this game.
If you put your effort and concentration into playing to
your potential to be the best that you can be,
I don't care what the scoreboard says at the end
of the game.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In my book, we're going to be winners.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
Okay, all right, let's go. Let's go. Let me hear out.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
What a great movie and what a loss.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Gene Hackman passing away at the age of ninety five.
The circumstances are a bit murky. It happened in New Mexico,
So I blame Michael Brown in some way, shape, man
or form. He had something to do with this, right,
But think about this. He was found dead in a
mud room at his residence.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
His sixty three year old.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Wife Betsy found in a bathroom next to a space heater.
And the other part, the weird part, weirdest part perhaps,
is that one of their three family dogs, not the
other two, but one was also found dead in the home,
so they ruled out carbon monoxide. I'm not sure that
the investigation is complete yet, because that's the only thing
that really explains this. Nothing really explains it, but nevertheless
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we lose Gene Hackman, also underrated in a Few Good Men,
tremendous role in that film. Will have much more tomorrow
with Christian and Deborah a time out our number two
straight ahead. Britta Horne will join us
This is a letter from his matchte the King. It's
an invitation for a second state visit. This is really special.
This has never happened before. This is unprecedented, and I
think that just symbolizes the strength of the relationship between us.
So this is a very special letter. I think the
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last state visit was a tremendous success. His Matchley the
King wants to make this even better than that. So
this is this is truly historic, an unprecedented second. There's
experience to talk that through.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
With you, and that there's a winder.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That's that's something.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, well I haven't got yet, is your answer?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I do.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The answer is yes, we have. Of our wonderful first
Lady Milani and myself, the answer is yes, and we
look forward to being there and honoring the King and
honoring early your country. Your country is a fantastic country,
and it'll be our honor to be there.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well, thank you very much much, mister President. I shall
happily take that back to his Machestan.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Prime Minister Keir Starmer of the Labor Party from the
UK visiting the White House and holding a joint news
conference with President Trump at the White House, and it's
been a busy week and it will continue to be
for the president as earlier. Emmanuel Macrone this week visited
the president of France and Vladimir Zelensky scheduled to visit
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tomorrow to sign and finalize a deal that would return
minerals rare earth minerals to the United States in exchange
for the approximately three hundred and fifty billion dollars that
has been invested in their country for their war with Russia.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And I don't think it's out of line for.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
The United States to expect something in return on their investment,
if a victory in the war itself. For Ukraine, it's
been a stalemate to this point, in large part ever
since Russia invaded Ukraine and attempted to sack Kiev. They
have not been able to do it. They do hold
on Russia to the Donbas region and Crimea, and those
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will likely remain in Russian hands. That's unfortunate, but nobody's
going to get everything they want out of this deal
and out of this war. In order to end it,
any war that comes to an end without a clear victor,
there is going to have to be a compromise that
both sides aren't exactly thrilled with even though Russia absolutely
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was and is the aggressor and the wrongful party, and
Ukraine is the wronged party. It's terrible, But this is
the hand that Donald Trump was dealt. He was not
in the game, so to speak, to receive these cards.
Joe Biden stood up from the table and left him
with this awful hand to play for the remains of
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the hand. And so when you look at it in
those terms, Trump's only going to be able to do
so much, and he keeps getting pressure and criticism from
those on the outside. Jasmine Crockett had a very incongruous
statement that will feature a little bit later on the
representative from Texas stating that on one hand, Donald Trump
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is Putin's buddy puppet, whatever pale, and somehow because of
that it might send us headlong into World War three.
I'm still trying to do the math on that one.
The agitator being Russia. If Trump opens up talks and
lines of communication with Sergei Lavrov and Vladimir Putin and
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Russia and gets them to come to the table and
participate at least in discussions, opening up that dialogue for
a potential end of the war. I'm failing to see
how that's an accelerant for the fire in Ukraine to
escalate to a broader and larger war the path that
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we were on under President Biden, and how the Democrats
would have it, and I'm supposing most of Europe, at
least prior to Donald Trump ascending to the office of
President of the United States, this was careening on a
course toward it broader conflict because there was no resolution
in sight. Russia was spending a lot of blood treasure
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in the pursuit of Kiev in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
They were not successful in that endeavor.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They are wasting resources, so to that practical effect, the
end result is a weaker Russia. So they would need
to enlist the help of some of their tenuous allies
in China, North Korea, Iran, to name a few, and
they might be pushed into that should there be no
end in sight to this ongoing war that Russia started.
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But unless the apparently the United Kingdom is committed to
maybe sending boots on the ground and resources, weaponry aircraft
to Ukraine, but that in and of itself as an
act by a neighboring nation a NATO nation, but not
on NATO's behalf.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
If the UK decides to do it of their own.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Volition, that could be a signal and a sign to
Putin and Russia that the war again is escalating, rather
than where we are, which is kind of this purgatory state.
Donald Trump is trying to move us off of that square,
and by us, I mean the entire world.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And to do that, you've got to get down to
brass tacks.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You can't just sit there and start popping off at Russia,
the party in this that's going to be the most
difficult to cajole into move toward the direction of peace
and ending the war. It has to be done in
such a way in which flammer Putin saves face to
some degree. It's not that it's in our interest that
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he saved, mind you, But you're trying to get to
a destination.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
In order to continue down.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
A path that leads to that destination, Yeah, you're gonna
have to make some concessions, feed the guy's ego, You
bring them along slowly, and nip it in the butt
at some point. So I get the strategy psychologically that
President Trump is enlisting here and a lot of people
don't like it because it comes across as he's being
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much more stern and harder on Zelensky than he is
on Putin.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
But that is by design. One.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
If I'm gonna dive into the Orange man's mind here,
it's Zelensky can take it, Ukraine can take it from us,
because hey, we've been footing the bill for this. So
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna listen, and it's
not gonna go the way that you want it to go.
You have it won this war three hundred and fifty
billion dollars into it. How are many lives? Everything that
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we're sending is just a bottomless, pit ending story. It's
a blank check continuing for as long as it takes.
As Joe Biden said, no, this cannot go on in perpetuity.
Think of all the goods are better that money could
have gone toward here in the United States. It's not
that we shouldn't have helped Ukraine, But at what point
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does the bill come do like, we we've got to
have some movement here, not just a quagmire of a
forever war that we just continue to fund without end.
That's not a plausible endgame scenario or plan. So Adam
Schiff has really been out of shape about all of this,
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and Will Flitzer had him on his program CNN to discuss.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
As you heard, the President says, the US will not
be making, in his words, security guarantees to Ukraine beyond
very much close quote.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
How do you interpret that?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, this is an effort to pressure, as a Lensky
into giving up something for nothing. And I have to
say this, on top of the resolution at the United
Nations where the United States excided with Russia betrayed Ukraine
is one of the most shameful incidents in modern history.
I think millions and millions and millions of Americans watching
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this not only disagree with the President, but maybe for
the first time, are just downright ashamed of the president
because we have betrayed an ally. We've not only betrayed
an ally, but we've betrayed our principles. Are we to
be nothing except transactional? Now we have no commitment to democracy,
no commitment to our allies. It's all going to be
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about the money. That seems to be Donald Trump's orientation.
But what a sad chapter of our history.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
The sad chapter was Joe Biden on who's watch this
happened in the first place? And Trump has said at
time and again, and he's right, this never would have
happened if President Trump were in office. Putin would not
have tried it. He would have known better because Donald
Trump is that unpredictable. It's a bit of a wild
card there. I'll turn Moscow into glass.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Try me. Well, maybe he might.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
So we're gonna go ahead and not push that or
test him on that. Where is Adam Shift's endgame scenario?
What is his plan for victory? What does it look like?
Be specific? How many more dollars, how many more lives?
How does Ukraine win this war? You've had your way,
You've had your plan. Democrats the left, for some reason,
this new kind of warhawk, left war pig left that
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wants to keep us involved and entrenched and embroiled and
entangled with this Ukraine war with no strategy for victory,
no plan of attack, no end destination of mind, and
no way to get there. So, Adam Shift, would you
have you believe that their way was working? Their way
was not working. It was feudle this pursuit, and Donald
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Trump stepped in and yeah, it is about money, and yes,
it is transactional.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's how you make deals.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Russia is gonna come away with something from this that's
not great. That almost serves like an incentive for them
to have done it in the first place, like it
was worth it, like they are being rewarded for that.
I get that, but find us another way out for
those that would criticize this mode of attack that Donald
Trump has toward this problem. He's a lot smarter and
certainly a lot more cunning than a lot of people
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give him credit for. And I'm gonna trust the process
here and see where it goes, because it's going in
a much faster and more definitive direction now than it
ever did on Joe Biden's Watch five seven seventy three nine.
You can send your text along and in Now I'm
still waiting on this, and z Man, I might need
your help over there, Zax Seegers producing today's show. We're
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keeping an eye and I've got the two TV screens
up on the potential release of the Epstein files. Now,
I would imagine, since neither CNN or Fox News are
talking talking about it has been done yet, but it
seems to be just a matter of time. And in
fact might be a matter of days, and further that
point might be just a matter of hours. As Pam Bondi,
Attorney General, told Jesse Waters last.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Night, you said last week that you have the Epstein
files on your desk. When can we see them and
what's taking so long.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To release them?
Speaker 7 (11:20):
I do, Jesse, there are well over this will make
you sick, two hundred victims.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Two hundred so we have well over two hundred.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
And fifty actually, so we have to make sure that
their identity is protected and their personal information. But other
than that, I think tomorrow the personal information of victims.
Other than that, I think tomorrow, Jesse, breaking news. Right now,
you're going to see some Epstein information being released by
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my office.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I went through a lot of this same song and
dance as I investigated, covered, and reported on exclusively and
definitely from the outset the entire Larry Nasser abuse scandal,
his trial, and then those that surrounded him who either
willingly or unwittingly aided and abedded him in the stalking, pursuit,
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and predatory behavior toward these young girls in Twist Stars
at Michigan State University Gymnastics and for Team USA under
Bellacoroli Michigan State University to this day, and you guys
know how much I love my Spartans, but they were
obstinate in releasing all of their legal documentation, timeline evidence
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of what Larry Nasser did and when he did it
at Michigan State. In a rare occasion where I agreed
with the Attorney General Dana Nessel, Democrat in the state
of Michigan, she was pressing through the legal process as
the age of the state to force Michigan State to
compel them to release those records. And there was some
(13:05):
nonsense about attorney client privilege privilege. These were privileged documents
and information that being decide the point. Michigan Stay, in
my view, needed to take it upon themselves to do
the right thing by the public, by their fans, by
their alumni, by their students, by the community, by the victims,
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to make that affirmative choice, regardless of privilege, and not
hide behind that. So I come at this from that angle,
and I'm not trying to cast dispersions to PAMBONDI. I
get what she's saying. You want to protect the victims
as much as you're able. However, having spoken to victims
very much along these lines who were sexually abused and manipulated.
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The victims at some point said, you know what, in
order for me to help have this never happen again
to another little girl, or to make this public, I'm
gonna let my name get out. I'm going to testify
in public. Jordan wait Webber did this, the famed gold medalist.
You also saw a lot of bigger names in the
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gymnastics world come forward and talk about this, and some
that were not big names at all but just participated
in local gymnastics in the Lansing area. But my point is, yes,
you want to protect the victims, but you don't do
it by protecting the offenders. And if the victims' names
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get out, if it's if the end justifies the means
in bringing down these sick monsters, whoever they may be,
that are on Epstein's list, then you go public with it.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Nobody's going to blame these
girls for what happened. You do want to respect their privacy,
and in many cases, these girls were miners at the
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time they were of trafficked and abused, and you do
want to be sensitive that. But it cannot become a
barrier or an obstacle to revealing the true ruth for
the public good. And that's where I hope Pam Bondi
comes down on this ultimately.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well, kid, are we going to see who was on
the flights? Are we going to see any evidence from
what he recorded? Because he had all of his homes
wired with recording devices.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names at a lot
of information, but.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Pretty sick. What that man did, okay well along with
his co defendant.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Absolutely and he had help, that's for He sure did.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He sure did. And so that was last night.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Earlier today, Elena Habba, attorney for the President Donald Trump,
appeared on Pierce Morgan and had a bit more pointed
commentary about what was coming and what would come of it.
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Jeffrey Epstein files were told awe to be imminently unleashed.
And already we saw the Attorney General Pam Bondi say
that it's the scale of what happened. He is faar
worse than anyone realized. It's well over two hundred, maybe
two hundred and fifty victims, and that we're going to
get information either later today or tomorrow from these files.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
What can you tell me about that.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
I believe it will be today. I was just with I.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
Saw Pam and Cash in the White House just before
coming on your show, and I can tell you that
I haven't been privy to it yet, but I know
it is coming out.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
They will be taking portions of it. We have to
be patient. And I said this last.
Speaker 10 (16:29):
Night at a dinner with some media and I said,
I think America needs to remember one thing.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
We are going to be promises made, promises kept. But
when you're dealing with.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
Victims, And by the way, this is a perfect example
of a case that was vetted, that went through trial,
that had testimony, and was prosecuted the right way. And
I don't preemptively attack.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
That's just not the way I operate.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
But in this case, in Epstein's case, it is incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
We have flight logs, we haven't information. Names that will
come out, and.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Again we have to be very careful not to stigmatize
or revictimize or place any kind of shadow of doubt
or blame on the girls who were targeted in this
and used in trafficked focus has to be on the
names on this list, and we know probably a handful
of them that are going to appear. Pierce Morgan asked
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about if there's going to be any surprises to this, is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
It going to be shocking.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
I don't see how it's not shocking that there were
so many individuals that.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
Were hidden.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
And kept secret and not been held accountable.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Let's talk about the reverse.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
I believe in accountability, so you have to now go
through your process. Now I won't say they're guilty until
they go through their time in court.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
But again, now it's time for accountability.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
We have seen for so many years peers in this country,
many investigations, subpoenas, test to monies in Congress, et cetera.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Et cetera.
Speaker 10 (18:02):
But there's a general frustration with accountability. We take it halfway,
we don't take it home.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
And I really believe that now with Cash and PAM,
there will be accountability.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Sources telling Fox that the documents to be released today
have largely been seen in the public domain, so there
have been reporters out there claiming, Hey, I've got some
of the flight logs, this information is accurate, and perhaps
at the very least that'll be confirmed in the release
of those documents today. We expect it imminently. It's four
twenty three pm in the Eastern time zone.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Presently, we know that only one person so far has
actually gone to prison over that whole scandal, Gilly Maxwell,
the former lover of Jeffrey Epstein. No man so far
has actually been put in prison as a result of
what happened. Do you think by releasing information from missiles
we are likely to see criminal actions being taken?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Absolutely? Really, I think it would be negligent for us
not to You have to hold individuals who.
Speaker 10 (19:01):
Are indeed rapists accountable. We have to have them tried,
in my opinion, and I do believe in that. You know,
nobody should be just dismissed. You have to have your
time in court and your case will be heard. But
to hide lists, to protect political friends, all of that,
we don't have time for that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
We don't have time for that. But we have time
for Lindsay Datko.
Speaker 11 (19:24):
Next, mcormick says, the mom stumbled upon the homeless document
while cleaning her daughter's room and later found a letter
describing her daughter kissing Carney, along with thousands of calls
and texts between the two. She says, she sent Carnie
a message warning her it needed to stop, and then
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took the calls and text to the principal, who, she says,
dismiss them, telling her Miss Carney takes interest in helping
kids navigate their sexuality. Do you think the school would
have reacted differently had Carney been a male teacher?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (20:02):
Absolutely, Carney quit, but it would take two years and
pressure from the mom before she lost her teaching license.
McCormick says her friend lost far more when her daughter
turned eighteen, she moved out of state with the teacher.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
It's really scary to think that there are schools and.
Speaker 11 (20:19):
Teachers and administrations that are working behind your back, not
in the best interest of your child.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Reporting from CBS Colorado Channel four here locally in Denver
and the Great Sean Boyd. It's just remarkable to me
that everybody in a position of authority who was a
mandatory reporter in this scenario not only failed the young
female student, but knowingly concealed information from that student's parents,
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and nary a punishment has been handed down, not one,
in my opinion. At minimum, Scott Christie needs to go.
He needs to be terminated. He needs to resign yesterday.
The fact that this happened on his watch, with his
full knowledge, awareness, and approval, he was either incompetent or
(21:15):
he was negligent. And those are the two kindest assessments
I can offer for the principle of Columbine High School's
role in this. It is a catastrophic failure. You are
supposed to protect the kids from your own employee who
was preying upon her, and your explanation was this.
Speaker 11 (21:39):
Ms Carney takes interest in helping kids navigate their sexuality.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
No, under no circumstances, male teacher to female, male to male,
female to female, female to male, unless they're properly taught
and how to counsel a younger on their sexuality specifically,
that is an inappropriate relationship.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Plain and simple.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Teachers are not there to help us navigate our sexuality
as students. That is grooming grounds. And Christy should have
known better, And if he didn't, then he needs to
go anyway. But I think that he did, and he
chose to do nothing, And he chose to do nothing
(22:29):
in the aftermath of the story going public. He's done nothing,
he said nothing, he's corrected nothing, he has taken no
responsibility or accountability on the behalf of the school for
this happening.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It is unacceptable. Haven't heard those words from him? Why not?
Well joining us now?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
There's always a different turn in these stories that happens
almost on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lindsay, Dako, jeffco Kids First.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
It might be even more nefarious when I just outlined
because there might have been money involved. Lindsay, jeffco Kids First.
You can follow on Facebook. Make sure you join that group.
It's a private one.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
There.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
She's on Ryan Schooling Live right now. Lindsay, welcome and
what's the latest, hey, Ryan?
Speaker 12 (23:14):
Well, imagine your four point six GPA captain of the
swim team child is not only groomed and abused by
a predatory teacher, but then falsely and deceptively declared homeless
on federal paperwork. And now we come to find out
that the school district indeed financially gains from that same paperwork.
(23:37):
So we have the counselor and the family liaison and
the McKinney VNTO Homeless Act liaison in their email showing
absolute deception. They talk about getting her ducks in a row,
how they did a soft verification of homelessness, even though
they had quote not had the chance to meet her.
Yet they explicitly discuss avoiding the parents' act information on
(24:00):
Federal Forum. They explicitly avoid the parent's phone number and
exchange the student's phone number a minor that was paid
for by the parents.
Speaker 13 (24:10):
And so if that's not.
Speaker 12 (24:11):
Enough, I receive a tip that there are grants tied
to the specific paperwork. So right now we have a
bird's eye view of this. I sent an open records
request asking for financials for the year before the incident,
the year surrounding it, and the year prior or the
year after.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And so the year.
Speaker 12 (24:31):
Before they received one hundred and twenty eight dollars in
grants based on this paperwork, the year surrounding this incident
one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars, oh, and the
year after it plummets to nineteen thousand dollars. And presumably
they were corrected after this incident. And so we are
(24:52):
left with a lot of questions based on this open record.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
The thesis, then, based on your findings there, lindsay, would
be that they stood to benefit financially from declaring this
young lady, and perhaps others to be homeless because they
would be granted moneies.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Is that a succinct summary.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
Is And of course, at this point in time, we
cannot pinpoint motive or intent or where these funds have
been allocated. But again from a bird's eye view, it's
clear that more answers are needed that the district does
benefit from that specific paperwork being filed.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Lindsay Dadko Jefco Kids First, joining us with an update
on the Columbine High School grooming scandal that has blown
up nationally internationally. It is a disgrace for Jeffco Public
schools and for Columbine High School one that it happened.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
That's bad enough. It happened.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It comes to the principal's desk. He needs to deal
with it. He didn't, he hasn't, doesn't look like he
will at the very least. There are clear ethical violations
here and the treatment of this young student and how
the teacher involved in the grooming was not disciplined in
any way. She left of her own volition and only
(26:05):
a couple of years later was her teaching license revoked,
and that was because of pressure that was put upon
the school district. Then she moves to California. Then the
young lady turns eighteen and moves with her to live
with her groomer at that point, so lindsay, I want
to get to the brass tax of the legal aspects
of this. We had some great information from Alison Browner
(26:27):
earlier this week on this program, getting into the timeline
of what happened, what was reported, what was investigated by
Jeffco Police. What do we know along those lines. Are
they reacting to the coverage of this story, to these
details coming out, Why were they not more involved throughout
this entire process.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or were they?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And we have we heard one word from the district
attorney in the first Judicial District for Colorado, Alexis King.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
You know, Ryan.
Speaker 12 (26:56):
So there has been some movement that we're aware of
with all of the shehriff investigation and other quoras that
have been uncovered, and so we're hopeful that that has
made it to the desk of Alexis King. But I
think one thing that needs to be really clarified for
the public. And I happened to read a Blaze yesterday
(27:19):
where the sheriff actually gave statement to the Blaze, but
they focused on the fact that the child while she's
no longer a child, but she is with her predator.
She's not cooperative and so they're not able to look
into the grooming aspect. And while that aspect is horrific,
what we are zeroing in on right now is the paperwork,
(27:42):
the fraudulent paperwork that many legal minds have told us
look to be fraudulent and even forged, and so that
is where we want the focus to be. We of
course want justice for the child, the girl, the students,
but we are wanting everyone to zero in on the
fact that there was deception and possible fraudulent and forged paperwork.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Final note on this, lindsay, we so appreciate your time,
your efforts dedicated to this cause and this very important
story that we are going to cover tooth and nail
going forward from here on this program, in this station.
But that would be a remedy for the parents in
this who had their child stolen from them with the
aiding and a betting of the school district. Directly, and
(28:29):
I'm not speaking out a turn here, this is exactly
what happened, regardless of whether this young woman chooses to
cooperate or not. And you could see a groomed, brainwashed
mind probably would not cooperate. She probably believes the sun
rises and sets with their groomer, that was the whole
point of the grooming. But that in the legal process
(28:49):
that there would be some kind of relief available to
the parents of this child, and that the legal process
would play out in a way that would investigate this thoroughly.
And that's why I'm frustrated by what you just told
me about jeffic police.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I kind of get it.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
But like you said, there are so many other layers
to this where justice can be pursued and hopefully achieved.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Where do you see this going from here?
Speaker 12 (29:15):
Yeah, we hope an investigation is open again on the
criminal aspect.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Of the paperwork.
Speaker 12 (29:21):
Of course, a civil action could be brought forward with
the cooperation of the now adult students and the parents
getting to know them very well, truly and sincerely, find
that the remedy will come to them through proper accountability
to deter anyone else from this kind of behavior and
(29:46):
ensuring proper consequences and policies and strict guidelines in jeff
Co Public schools.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There is nothing at present that leads me to believe
that this would be handled any differently by Columbine High School.
Maybe because the spotlights on them, but it's not from
any sort of intrinsic sense of right and wrong and
what should or should not happen at their schools. They're
having to be cajoled into this type of policy change,
and they've done it dragging their feet.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So forgive me.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
If I'm not that optimistic about where this goes from here,
specifically at Columbine. As long as the current principle is
in the position there, Scott Christie and whoever else was
involved in this, they all have to be gone.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And at Jeffco Public Schools, we know this is not
an isolated incident. It's an epidemic and it needs to
be dealt with. And the person on the front lines
fighting for this information for Jeffco kids first is Lindsay Dako. Lindsay,
you're truly a hero in our community. We appreciate all
you do and thanks for joining.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Me again here today.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Thank you, Ryan, Lindsay Datko right there your reaction five seven,
seven thirty nine. Hollywood lost a great one. We'll talk
in greater detail about it tomorrow. On the right side
of Hollywood with Christian Toto and Deborah flo Ura. The
Great Gene Hackman found dead in his home along with
his wife and a dog.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's a bizarre story. He was ninety five years old.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Will take time to reflect on the life of the
great actor when we come back after this on Ryan
Juling Life.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
Authorities in New Mexico are investigating after legendary actor Gene Hackman,
his wife, and their dog were all found dead inside
of their home.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
According to a search warrant, investigators found no signs of
carbon monoxide and no signs of forced entry. The front
door was open when the couple was found. An investigators
say they found an open bottle of prescription pills near
Hackman's wife. Police assured the community there is no danger
to public. ABC's Reena Roy has the latest.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
An investigation underway into the depths of award winning actor
Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
And their dog.
Speaker 15 (31:54):
The family found dead in their Santa Fe, New Mexico home,
Wednesday afternoon. The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office there's no
foul play suspected at this time. Hackman was a two
time Oscar winner, nominated five times over a decade long career.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He never phoned it in.
Speaker 16 (32:09):
He had that presence that filled up every inch of
the screens. If you put your effort in concentration into
playing to your potential, it'll be the best that you
can be.
Speaker 15 (32:17):
From the basketball coach in Hoosiers to Lex Luthor and Superman, you.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Were great in your day, Superman Hackman.
Speaker 15 (32:24):
Speaking with GMA from the set of Superman four.
Speaker 16 (32:26):
You have little kids come up to you on the
street and say you're the evil guy, and that's kind
of fun.
Speaker 15 (32:31):
The legendary actor winning his first Oscar Best Actor for
his role in The French Connection, I Don't Buy Stuff
is in that Car, and then another Best Supporting Actor
for his role in Unforgiven Right.
Speaker 13 (32:44):
Gentlemen, He's got one barrel left.
Speaker 16 (32:47):
Geene Hackman had a very much of an everyman quality.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
He once told me I talked to him years ago
that for the first forty years of his life.
Speaker 16 (32:55):
Nobody recognized him because he wasn't famous, and he just
looked like you know, your uncle or the butchered at
the grocery store.
Speaker 15 (33:01):
Years ago, Hackman was asked by GQ magazine how we'd
want to be remembered as a decent actor, he said,
as someone who tried to portray what was given to
them in an honest fashion.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Hackman was ninety five.
Speaker 15 (33:12):
His wife, sixty four, was a classical pianist. They lived
in New Mexico together since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
The couple married in nineteen ninety one. Simply one of
the all.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Time greats, and we'll be discussing him in greater detail
with Christian Toto and Debora Florid tomorrow on the right
side of Hollywood taking nominations for your top five all
time favorite Gene Hackman performances in a film. There were
a few mentioned there, unforgiven phenomenal. He's outstanding in that
Koosier's right here. You got to hear the whole speech.
(33:41):
They play this today in many arenas for hockey and basketball.
Speaker 16 (33:45):
There's a condition in tournament play and not talking about
the next step until you've climbed the one.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
In front of you.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I'm sure going to the state finals and beyond.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Your wildest dream. So let's just keep it right there.
Forget about the crowds, the size of.
Speaker 16 (34:06):
The school, their fancy uniforms, and remember what got you here.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Focus on the fundamentals.
Speaker 16 (34:14):
We've gone over time and time again. And most important,
don't get caught up thinking about winning or losing this game.
If you put your effort and concentration into playing to
your potential to be the best that you can be,
I don't care what the scoreboard says at the end
of the game.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In my book, we're going to be winners.
Speaker 13 (34:33):
Okay, all right, let's go. Let's go. Let me hear out.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
What a great movie and what a loss.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Gene Hackman passing away at the age of ninety five.
The circumstances are a bit murky. It happened in New Mexico,
So I blame Michael Brown in some way, shape, man
or form. He had something to do with this, right,
But think about this. He was found dead in a
mud room at his residence.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
His sixty three year old.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Wife Betsy found in a bathroom next to a space heater.
And the other part, the weird part, weirdest part perhaps,
is that one of their three family dogs, not the
other two, but one was also found dead in the home,
so they ruled out carbon monoxide. I'm not sure that
the investigation is complete yet, because that's the only thing
that really explains this. Nothing really explains it, but nevertheless
(35:44):
we lose Gene Hackman, also underrated in a Few Good Men,
tremendous role in that film. Will have much more tomorrow
with Christian and Deborah a time out our number two
straight ahead. Britta Horne will join us
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