Ryan taps into his football past and outlines why Stephen A. Smith's assertion that a nefarious plot was afoot in colluding to have Colorado Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders drop in the NFL Draft is patently ridiculous, citing both current and historical examples refuting the case.
Bill Belichick delivers a strange performance in a 60 Minutes interview, and his young love interest refuses for the matter of how they met to be discussed.
Bill Belichick delivers a strange performance in a 60 Minutes interview, and his young love interest refuses for the matter of how they met to be discussed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A lot of this was about prime Tom Deon Sanders.
Say whatever you want to the audience out there, these
idiotic trolls all over social media talking about, you know,
Shador Sanders wasn't that great or whatever. There is no one,
I repeat, no one that looked as Shador Sanders and
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even had him less than the third best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is a quarterback driven lead.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This guy was considered one of the top three quarterbacks
in the draft, and one hundred and forty three picks
came and went before you heard his name.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Smith ESPN tempering his comments somewhat from over the weekend
in which he insinuated that maybe race had something to do.
Was Shadoor Sanders falling in the draft? Back here on
Ryan Schuling Live, Shadeur Sanders was selected number one, forty
four overall by the Cleveland Browns, who, strangely, but this
is Cleveland we're talking about, and Broncos fans, we canna
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make fun of the Browns because we've got them. We
owned them throughout the nineteen eighties. Even Shanner remembers that.
But in this case, the Browns took two quarterbacks, two
high profile quarterbacks still in Gabriel of Oregon, also selected
earlier in this same draft. Add to that their quarterback room,
which also includes Kenny Pickett, who was a highly regarded
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prospect out of Pitt selected by the Steelers. It seemed
to be appropriate a homecoming of sorts. Didn't work out
from there. I believe he went to the Eagles. Now
he's with the Browns. You also got Joe Flacco, long
time quarterback veteran, formerly of the Ravens, and he had
great success there, but he's well passed his prime. And
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then they've got the albatross contractor, Deshaun Watson swinging around
their necks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's the Browns quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You can keep three of those five who you're gonna keep,
but you can cut ties to Watson all together and
just flush that as a sunk cost, because that's what
it is. Anyway, in my view, I think Flacco's not
long for the rock, so then you're down to Kenny Pickett,
Dylan Gabriel, Shadeur Sanders. Do you really want two rookies
on the same team with one of them holding a
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clipboard the other one being pressed into backup duty. It's
hard to figure that's the Cleveland Browns problem. Now, what
I'll say about Shadour at one forty four, and I
was saying this with Zach last week. You heard me.
I'm not an expert on football, but I know more
than the average bear about a lot of things regarding
the sport that I covered as the play by play
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announcer for the Richmond Speed Arena football team for the
Central Michigan Chippewas, my alma mater for several years. There.
What I would observe about Shadur Sanders there is talent.
He's extremely intelligent. The makeup. I think you can work
with what you have, but you cannot coach arm strength.
You can't necessarily coach you know, that feel for the pocket.
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The thing I noticed about Shadeur when I watched him
in that first season, and this was not his fault,
and I mentioned this last week, was the Colorado offensive line.
And I know Shannon I won't go on the record
with this, but he watched every game. Was one of
the worst Division One offensive lines I've seen in some time.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And that's putting it mildly.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It might be all time, but they were bad during
coach Prime's first year terrible. So what Shador was pressed
into doing was rolling out of the pocket, diving back
about twenty yards, trying to circle around and force a
play or create a play or make something happen because.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They just weren't gonna win.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But the offensive line did improve in his second year
with the Buffs, and he still had these tendencies to
bail out on a play, to flush out of the
pocket too early, meaning you run the pocket to break
it down is between the tackles, So you take the
snap between the tackles. Here we go, and in college
football you do a lot more shotgun, meaning the center
snaps it and you're about seven yards back in the formation,
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and so you count, you have an internal clock.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You won two three, and then you got to get
rid of the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But many times, I think because he was so shell
shocked by that first year in which the offensive line
didn't protect him, he would be flushed out to be
running around, maybe do his blind side, so he's thrown
against his body forcing a pass, either an interception or
taking a sack. And now it's like second down and
twenty two, and your whole drive is screwed up. At
that point, there's a lot of those kind of decisions
that I didn't think Shador was especially adept at doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Mean I don't think he could be a very good
NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But the thing I'll say about number one, forty four,
the greatest quarterback of all time, Tom Brady. Do you
know where he was selected? One ninety nine full fifty
five picks later?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Why was he selected so late?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Tom Brady was dueling with Drew Henson, who would ultimately
he was splitting between baseball and the Yankees and with
the Dallas Cowboys. His dad was this big figure in
Michigan high school athletics with Brighton High School. And I
used to live in Brighton, And I knew Drew's sister,
Brittany in college and didn't ask her about it, didn't
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even know that she was Drew's sister for the longest time.
She was so like sweet and unassuming and down to earth.
And then are you Drew Henson's sister? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh, okay, Bury the lead here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But anyway, there's a lot of pressure for Lloyd Carr
in the late nineties following the National championship, in which
former Bronco quarterback and a fixture in this area in Colorado,
Brian Greasy led the nineteen ninety seven Wolveigns to a
part of the national Championship. It's controversial how they had
to split it with Nebraska, and we won't get into
all that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But following that, the heir apparent.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Was the anointed one, Drew Henson, Brighton high school multi
sport athlete. Dad's a big deal on the program and
poor Tom Brady from California has.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No local ties.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
There's no politics or nepotism helping him out, and Carr
was faced with a dilemma. It appeared, and as you
watch going back of those late nineties Michigan teams, that
Brady was the superior talent. Henson was figuring it out.
He's a little bit shorter. Brady had that kind of
NFL looking frame. He wasn't especially athletic, but the traditional
pocket passer, yes, he was that. And they ended up
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like split in time. One would play one quarter the other.
It was a mess, and what Lloyd Carr should have
done is put his foot down, go look, Tom Brady's
the better quarterback. We're going with him. But there would
have been a political hell to pay anyway. All that
to say that Tom Brady fell to one ninety nine
and ended up being the greatest quarterback in the history
of the game, better than Joe Montana, who was my
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all time number one, but Brady passed him by in
my honest assessment. And that's being a fan of Michigan State.
His arch rival Steve and A goes off the rails
here though, complaining about shud Or falling in the draft
and makes this non sequitur of comparison. Don't talk to
me about football.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't want to hear a damn thing about football.
This ain't about footbaball. This is about sun and else.
And I said that even though it's different. I brought
up the name Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh, come on, Why I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sit up there and throw a pity party for Colin Kaepernick.
I knew his career in the NFL was over the
minute that the NFL organized that workout for him at
the Atlanta Falcons practice facility, which was led by Jay
z and those Cats and Roger Goodell and what have you.
And he elected not to show up and instead tried
to have the workout I win twenty minutes away and
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he gonna notify them two to three hours before the work,
I said, he is done.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And I have no.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sympathy because, damn it, they tried to make it happen
because the league had to do it, because the owners
didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'm gonna say something that is very unpopular with the
LESA Dan Kaplis, who will be in and back for
his afternoon show today. But I said at the time,
and I'll say it again, and I want to be
consistent and I always want to shoot you straight.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Both Colin Kaepernick and Tim.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Tebow, there were allegations that because of what they brought,
the circus they brought to an NFL locker room, that
it wasn't worth the While Dan was adamant that Tim
Tebow should be the quarterback of the Broncos after he
led them to that playoff victory over the Steelers, a
Tebo had several other opportunities with other NFL teams that
did not pan out for him. He was even moved
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to tight end from quarterback and it didn't pan out
for him. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy, doesn't
mean he's not an inspirational story. He is. Doesn't mean
he's not a great commentator. I like him on the
television sets where he offers his analysis. I like Tim
Tebow a lot. However, as with Colin Kaepernick, put the
circus aside. Don't even care. This is the NFL. What
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is it about wins and losses? If you can win
games and you got that kind of cachet of talent,
they're gonna put up with the whole hell of a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Let me tell you short version too long, didn't read.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
If Tim Tebow had the talent to be a premier
NFL quarterback, he would be one. A team would have
given him that chance. He would have taken that opportunity
and run with it. You know, a guy that had
basically been left for dead and was traded as a
spare part from the Los Angeles Rams in disgrace. He
was a number one overall pick. He had taken him
to the Super Bowl. He was given up on. Jared
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Goff was traded to the Detroit Lions for Matthew Stafford,
who had flamed out in Detroit. Just it didn't work
out in Detroit. I think Matthew Stafford's a great quarterback.
He ended up winning a Super Bowl for the Rams,
but it wasn't working for him, Detroit. Jared Goff comes
to Detroit and has a renaissance. He was left, like
I said, for dead, but he fit in Detroit. It
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worked in Detroit, the system, it just melded with him
in Detroit, and Jared Goff is now a very solid
NFL quarterback now. Had he not been that, he'd be
out of the league right now. So don't give me
this Kaepernick crap or even with t Bau. I understand
the distractions, but that's not going to make an NFL's
team decision for them in and of itself, just because
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the circus has come into town. It's if you have
the talent to make that irrelevant. Kaepernick did not. I
don't even know that Tibo was a circus. He just
wasn't good enough in my opinion. Again, that differs sharply
with Dan Kaplis, and you might have your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Five seven, seven thirty nine Steve and A.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Again he's delving into the conspiracy theories about Shador Sanders
falling in the draft to one forty four in the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's an accident that no owner in the National Football
League wanted to touch him.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We can use the word collusion. It ain't necessary.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They think alike in a lot of different situations.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
They don't have to collude with one another.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
There's a universal understanding that this is our league, and
we want to do what we want to do the
way that we want to do it. And we'll be
damned if anybody's gonna tell us what to do, because
guess what. We run in the show and people gonna come,
They're gonna flop to the stadium, they're gonna have their
tailgate parties.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
We're gonna win in the ratings.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We're gonna make, damn it, two hundred and fifty million
apiece as an owner. Ain't a damn thing anybody's gonna
do about it. We understood that years ago, but suddenly
we gonna engage in collective amnesia here.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Steven A.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Smith is a smart guy, but this is one of
his stupidest all time takes.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This is horrible.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Do you really believe that of the thirty two NFL owners,
they would all surpass an elite talent at the cost
or perhaps their own jobs wins dollars. If Shadur Sanders
is that good, why isn't he that good? They're not
going to do that you know. I mean, teams are
kicking themselves right now. They didn't pick Tom Brady. Any
team could have had Tom Brady, including my Detroit Lions,
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including the Denver Browncos, but they all passed on them
for one reason or another. If a team really believes
Shoulder Sanders could help them win, wouldn't matter who his
daddy is, wouldn't matter what his attitude was. There were
problems in the interview process that was kind of brought
to light, and Steven A kind of concedes that right here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Prom Tom Dion Sanders hands are not clean in this
should do a Sanders hands are not clean on this.
If you go into an interview and people thinking that
you brash and arrogant and what have you, and they
think that they're going to have a problem working with you,
that's partially on you. Prom Tom Deon sand is going
out publicly and stating on the record there's a couple
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of teams we might now want to win and he
ain't going there if we gonna get him, if they're
gonna select him, and and he's on Tameron Hall Show
and she's like, what if this suddenn't listen? He said,
who what like that ain't gonna happen. You look at
NFL teams along with the specter of people potentially calling
for him to be the next coach. You can understand
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the reticence, but for one hundred and forty.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A hole that thought because you run up Korea.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Point, here's the major issue. Shader Sanders is not his father,
good batter, indifferent. Deon Sanders was a special cat. This
guy played Major League Baseball in the playoffs for the
Atlanta Braves. He could play receiver, he could play cornerback.
He was prime time before that was a thing. He
was a brand, and he was a champion. And that's
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not fair to should her. He's just not that level
of athlete. He just not. And Dion Sanders, famously, one
of the all time great NFL drafts nineteen eighty nine,
said if Detroit picks me, they better not because I
ain't playing for the Lions ever. Okay, well, then the
poor Lions they had to settle for a running back
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out of Oklahoma State with the same last name named
Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think that worked out.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Okay. Point being Dion could play that game, he's Deon Sanders.
You start playing that game in that crap with Shador
who's good but not great. And you know maybe Elipa
maybe not a team if they're on the fence, is
going to go, you know, maybe, but I know we'll pass.
And it's not just me saying this. How about Dion's
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own son, Shiloh Sanders. He dropped this bombshell. Dad was our.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Agent but hasn't been working out him good. So today
I how to sound with agent bro so we don't
see what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Dad was our agent, but that hasn't been working out
so good, so to I had to sign with it
and it would end up being Drew Rosenhaus. You may
have heard that name before. One of the all time
top agents in the NFL. That's Shiloh Sanders, who was
not drafted at all. Nobody's talking about that very talented guy.
He signed as an undrafted free agent with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers just fine, and Shiloh decided, you know what,
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go outside the family. I'm gonna hire my own agent.
I don't know if she do is gonna make that
same decision.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's up to him.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And this is not a personal slam on Shiduur Sanders.
But here again my goodness, I don't even know who
this guy is, but he's replying to Steven A. Smith,
who said the following two days ago. This is a
damn disgrace. How in the hell is she do or not?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Off the board?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not drafted yet? Y'all still think this doesn't have anything
to do with teams hating on Dion Sanders. This kid
is the first rounder in a different way. This is
Kaepernick all over again, being kept out a damn disgrace.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Huh, wouldn't matter if it was Dion.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They kind of played these games with Archie Manning, you know,
they didn't want to play. I think it was for
the Chargers. Who was a trade he ended up with
the Giants. That worked out for all parties involved, but
he took criticism at the time for that. Start playing
this game, you're gonna win stupid prizes. It's a stupid game.
Don't do it, don't put it out there. Well, he's
not gonna play for Jacksonville, too small of a market.
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He's not gonna And I'm just making up teams. I
don't even know which ones he got a problem with.
It I Detroit. I want him there because I didn't
want to go there, So cross them off the you
start doing that stupid stuff. What benefit is that to Shador?
I'm sorry, but coach Prime, what is the upside to that?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
What game are you playing?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And then there was this response to the Steven A.
Smith post on X I just told you from a
guy named Christian Israel at christ x Crypto.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Maybe you, Steven A.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Smith, can finally call off the NFL as the plantation
league that it is. Ah here we go there it is.
It really hates black people, but they make those plantation
owners money. But don't talk back to master sir, or
you won't be drafted.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well I replied to that and posted on X the
following myself. You can follow me there at Ryan shuling
A c h U I L I n G. And
I called this one of the most outrageously stupid posts
ever perpetrated on X. What is this clown referring to
Christian Israel saying about? And here's the list. I made
a list and I checked it twice. Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts,
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Super Bowl champion Eagles visiting the White House today He's
not there. Sa Quon Barkley's there any one on Marine
one with Trump? But Jalen Hurts is the Super Bowl champion,
so is Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson perennial NFL MVP candidate consideration,
Generally regarded as one of the top four quarterbacks in
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the sport, along with Mahomes, Hurts, and probably Josh Allen.
Jayden Daniels Rookie of the Year. Washington Commanders beat my
Detroit Lions in the playoffs. I'm still sad. Single tear.
C J Stroud Houston Texans, Jordan Love Green Bay Packers,
Caleb Williams Chicago Bears. Michael Pennox junior with the Atlanta Falcons,
Bryce Young with the Carolina Panthers, Kyler Murray with the
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Arizona Cardinals. Remember Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers,
who knows elsewhere? Gino Smith, he had a resurgence season
with the Seattle Seahawks. We want to throw two at
Taga Viola in there. One of my favorite players. He
was a quarterback of color for time about that, don't care,
but he is. He's of Samoan ancestry born in Hawaiian.
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What I'm saying is every one of those quarterbacks of
the NFL, they're all stars, by the way, and they're
all starters for the most part black. So if this
special racist rule is applying to Schadeur Sanders, which again
is garbage, and I don't even grat the premise, obviously,
but I'm just making this point, then what's happening with
all these other guys I just named that are stars
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in the NFL who happen to be black, that are
great quarterbacks at teams. What are they invested in? What
did I tell you? Wins and losses, wins, dollars, profit
at the gates.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You know, the jersey sales of each one of these guys.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Mahomes, Hurts Jackson, Jaydon Daniels broke the bank with jersey
sales a year ago.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It may have been a thing at one time in
the eighties, when Doug Williams was the quarterback of the
Washington Redskins as they were then known, won a Super Bowl,
first black quarterback to do it. I was a thirteen
year old, going, why who cares? He's great? Won a
Super Bowl. Warren Moon was famously kind of sidelined by
a lot of NFL teams. They didn't want to take
a chance on him. He starred in the Canadian Football
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League and the Houston Oilers gave him an opportunity, and
guess what happened. The Oilers were fantastic in the early nineties.
I wanted the Detroit Lions to sign him back in
the mid nineties, got Scott Mitchell instead.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now you know why I'm miserable as a Lions fan.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh man, if they would have Warren Moon with Barry
Sanders and Herman Moore. Moral of the story is race
was not a factor in any of this talent was
It's about wins? Can you get him with Shador Sanders?
That was the question in many NFL teams decided no.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
After the President's truth social host, the Browns finally took
Cher Sanders. Does the President think he deserves credit for
Sanders getting picked and does he think going to the
Browns is better than being undrafted?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Hey, all I will say is the President put out
a statement and a few rounds later he was drafted.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So I think the facts speak for themselves on that one.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Pierre Jarreline Lovett answering, Peter Doucey, you got a nice
little jab in on the Cleveland Browns. Are you better
off being drafted by the Browns or going undrafted like
his brother Shiloh did, who then signed out the really
solid NFL franchise, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And my buddy
Hutch is pretty excited about that one. Here is the
posting question on true social from President Trump during the draft.
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So he's got a lots going on, but obviously was
paying attention to the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
President Trump's a big sports fan if he was watching
the draft live. What is wrong with NFL owners?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Are they stupid?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Dion Sanders was a great college football player and was
even greater in the NFL. He's also a very good coach,
street wise and smart. Therefore, Shaudeur, his quarterback son has
phenomenal genes and is all set for greatness. He should
be picked immediately by a team that wants to win.
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Good luck, shouldur and say hello to your wonderful father.
That from President Trump. Let's go to the texts on
this two five seven, seven, three nine. Ryan sounds like
the movie Jerry maguire, show me the money. That's right,
Kuba Gooding Junior, Arizona Cardinals, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Not Ted Cruz, but tob Cruz.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Okay, there's the FAFO scale, right, and then there's this
other one's a little more controversial. Shannon knows where I'm
going with this, and I make it a little trouble
and whatever. It's the hot crazy scale. You know what
I'm talking, which is you'll put up with more crazy
from the person you're dating, the hotter they are. Now,
that's shallow, I get it, but don't tell me it's
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not true. Oh man, she's nuts. She does this crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
She's lying all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But she's hot. Yeah, you end up paying the piper
in that one. Let me just give that little bit
of advice for your you gen z guys that are
in the dating scene out there. You don't want any
part of that. But I'm just saying. The analogy here
is the more talent you have as a quarterback, the
more nonsense or perceived nonsense a team's gonna put up with.
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It's just the fact of the matter. But they don't
want to put up with any nonsense. I mean the
Detroit Lions culture right now, which I can speak to directly.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I know it well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They don't draft anybody that's a characteristic and the ones
that are borderline, well they've had some problems with Jamison
Williams a little bit. But they want rock solid, blue collar,
hard guys that are Dan Campbell, guys that are team
oriented guys. And look at the results. They were fifteen
and two a year ago. They've improved every year under
Dan Campbell. That's just one example. Another one I'll offer
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up is this if the allegation as well, he's black
and therefore the whole league is colluding against him. Mean
Stephen A. Smith is sounded like a damn fool, talking
like he knows better than that. I think it was
just cheap heat pro wrestling style for clicks and views
and likes and whatever. Because I just gave you the
list of all the black quarterbacks, excellent ones in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Who are the best quarterbacks in the NFL that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Any team would kill to have. They happen to be black.
Nobody cares anymore, not a factor anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But even when it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm going to go back in time, gonna go back
in time, there was a time in our nation's history,
in the fifties and the sixties when the schools of
the South were ridiculous and segregated. And they break this
down in Forrest Gump were University of Alabama member. Forrest
Gumpy up the Girl's Book and it was a big thing. Alabama, Texas,
all these Southern states didn't want black players.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Okay, you want to play that game.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Guess what Duffy Doherty, head coach Michigan State decides. Well, okay,
I'll swoop in and I'll take Jean Washington, one of
the great all time college wide receivers, and.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
He turned into an excellent NFL player.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Another one you probably know by name from the Police
Academy movies, Bubba Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There's a fun story.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Not sure if I have time, but my mom was
a student at Michigan State at the exact same time
as Bubba, and she had the same circle of friends
that Bubba did. And Bubba's younger brother, swear to God
his nickname, this is what he went by, Tody. Gotten
some legal heat, some trouble, and it's a whole thing.
And my mom helped balim out of jail and didn't
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get paid back and she went int Duffy Doherty's office
because that was my mom. She didn't care who you were.
She gave zero fs and she wants storming into Duffy
Dorty's office.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The man for this bail money back.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
She had to put up fifty bucks, which a lot
of money back then we're talking mid sixties. She got
conned into it, learned her lesson. Duffy Doherty kind of
played dumb. I don't know that she ever got paid back.
I can't ask her again, but I think the story
as she told it to me was she didn't get
paid back. That's the short version of the story anyway.
Bubba Smith was an All American for Michigan State NFL
player for the San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Came a movie star Police Academy Movies, and Michigan State thrived.
They won two national titles, and then the Southern schools
realized that if they wanted to compete, they wanted to win.
Guess what, you gotta make room for the black players
who were exceptional. So that took care of itself in
the competitive landscape. What I'm saying is it doesn't make
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any sense for an NFL team to go. We got
like fifty five percent of our roster our black players.
We can't have a black quarterback, and we definitely can't
have to do her Sanders moronic. That analysis is moronic.
Eric Mannings says, the following always got a kind of
shift through here is he is? There's there some profanity
in there, Kelly, you know? Okay, Well, I'm just gonna
(25:06):
go with it. Eric says, as a black man myself,
Stephen A. Smith has the nerve of running for president.
He should shut his I'm gonna say damn mouth on
this topic unless it's positive. Huh. Kelly Cachera, she's in.
She's as big of an NFL fan as anybody I know.
Partial to the Green Bay Packers. Kelly, what do you
make of the Shador Sanders drop in the draft?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Okay, first of all, you got everything wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I got everything wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Person that integrated the league was John McKay at USC
went to the track and went and saw the runners
and said, hey, here's a ball.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think there was a concurrent in time on the calendar.
You talk about OJ Simpson would be one.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Right, Well, that's I'm not talking he didn't run track.
I'm talking about John McKay back in the tree, and
I'm not talking about you know, when he coached Tampa
Bay for the first year and he was asked, you know,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
About your offenses execution?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
No, no, it was what do you think about you winning?
And he's like, I'm all for it?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, he said, he was asked something along the lines
of what do you think of your offense's execution? And
then he made that joke of the play on words
of them all for it? I support it?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, sure. It was fascinating to see how many
teams just and I got to say, I don't think
it's a racial thing. I don't think of course not.
Of course, it's not anything about that. I think he
made an ass of himself when he went on to
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the pro day at CU. He didn't go to the combine,
so nobody got to actually see what he could do.
And by the way, oh God, I work for Dan.
Caplis Dan.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I hope you're not hearing what Dan says about all
of this.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Dan, I love you, Please keep paying me. He's not good.
He's not good, he's not great.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He might not be great. I would agree if you.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Say, you know what he just went to a scheme
that has four quarterbacks. You know what's going to happen
at the first preseason game. He's going to be cut.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, they have five, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Go to free free agencies.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I think they're gonna cut Flacco, but they've got DeShawn
Watson on the contract.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Not going to cut Flack Flacco over Shaduur.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, let me, let me list.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You've got to pick three of the following, and one
of them is just an emergency alternate.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Okay, here's the list.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Deshaun Watson, big contract attached to him. He's an albatross. Yep,
Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett is now on their roster. Dylan
Gabriel he took in this draft out of Oregon, Dan Shadoor,
Sanders Kelly.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's five pick three? Which three?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Okay? All right? You got to keep Flacco because he
can actually he knows everything can go over.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
To Sean Watson.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
No, you just asked me, okay, I haven't. You got
to keep to Sean? Okay, absolutely right, and then my
third backup if you really wanted to go, there would
be Kenny Pickett. Now, if you wanted to keep a fourth.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, they waste two draft picks, and I know it's
the Browns. It's a it's a punchline in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Dylan Gabriel is like dying.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Right, Dylan Gabriel and Shuder Sanders two draft picks spent
on quarterbacks that you say they're gonna cut.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yes, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, I'm not saying you're insane. I'm just saying
that could happen, and it would be a.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Free agency and you know what they might like. Actually, listen,
Dion probably spent a lot of the time over the
weekend calling other teams. Yes, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Can that be tampering?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He actually no, he's the agents for both of us.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, no, Kelly, you did not listen to Ryan shuling
live because I broke this earlier.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
But has been working out him good today? Sound agrop.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That was Shiloh sandersnnouncing he had just fired his father
and hired Drew Rosenhaus.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
What did I just say, I don't know. I just
said Shiloh Fire's father. There you go, so the same
all I All I'm saying is that I don't think
Chador is very good.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Who bears the highest percentage of responsibility for jew Chadur
falling in the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Is this Chadur himself? Is it Dion?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Is it NFL owners colluding against him? What was it?
Should should himself?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah? I don't think he interviewed well. I don't think
he presented himself well because he came off as entitled
and because I'm Dion's son, I should just automatically get
drafted in the first rop. Yeah, and That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Even stephen A. Smith was conceding that, you know, Dion
was playing this game like he did, like he did personally.
I ain't gonna play in Detroit, Okay, Well we'll take
Barry Sanders and then he's trying to extend this to
his son. Likely I want to go here, and I'm
wanna go to there like and then most teams are going,
you know what, Okay, not worth it. But if Shadur
Sanders had been like cam Ward, let's say, a University
of Miami quarterback that level of talent, I don't think
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it would have mattered, not as much.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
To understand that, you know, in the second pick, you
got it juxtaposed the two kids, Okay, with Travis Hunter. Yeah,
Travis Hunter who was awesome. Yes, okay, he was excited.
He wants to work, he wants to be part of
the team.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
He wears footy pajamas whatever. Awesome draft the best.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I mean he wore a pink coat. I love it too.
But you could tell that his enthusiasm was for the
team and he wanted to be a team player. Shadur
came off as you got to hire me just because
I'm entitled and I should be drafted.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Do you think Shador has learned a lesson in all
of this, some humility from this experience? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Would you anticipate that you would remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think he's a highly intelligent young man, and I
think there's I think he has possessed some wisdom and
maybe more now. But I think to your point, Kelly,
where I agree is I just wasn't sure about the talent,
and I watched him in a lot of these games
talked about there you go and then rolls out and
he takes on necessary risks and gambles that you cannot
afford to take in the NFLFL.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You're gonna get hurt, You're gonna get the teams like loose.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You're gonna be in thirty thirty seven, yep, behind the
sticks and then have the punt you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The in fourth place, and you know, and Cleveland is
not great any and the jog pound, the jog pound
is probably like, man, holy crap, why the hell did
we do that?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm sure talk radio is a blaze in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Could you imagine? Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Uh? Huh? I can this from Ralph? If Flacco didn't
have thirty seven kids, he could retire. Yeah, he did
that to himself. Ralph, Well, with some help, obviously, but
he had a part in it. Final time out, Well,
go to your text when we close things out five
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The other change for Belichick is twenty four year old
Jordan Hudson, his creative muse As he writes in his book,
Make Sure That's the Jordan was a constant presence during
our interview.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You have Jordan thread over there.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.
They've got an opinion about your private life. He's got
nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
How do you deal with that?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I've never been too worried about what everybody else thanks,
just to try to do what I feel like is
that's for me and what's right.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Not talking about this?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
No, No, it's a topic neither one of them is
comfortable commenting on.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I can't stand this girl. Jordan Hudson twenty four years old.
Bill Belichick is five years younger.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Than my dad.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
My dad's seventy eight, Belichick's seventy three.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
What could he possibly have in.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Common with a twenty four year old if my dad
was dating a twenty nine year old?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Ah, I mean, come on? And then she.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Has the audacity all over Instagram. She's a mermaid, he's
a fisherman. Te they're on the beach. He's got his
feet up. She's soaring in this pose, as Tony Dokopol says,
like the Titanic, that's all for public domain. But don't
you dare ask how they met?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Why not? Why don't you share that part of it?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Do you? Are? You? Megan Markle is there like you
want to have your cake and eat it too. Give
us privacy, but I don't want privacy over here. Notice
me got to pick one. Let's go to the tax
five seven, seven thirty nine, Andy asks Ryan, have you
heard about the tweet that Dion posted in March twenty eighteen? Andy,
does a bear crap in the woods?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
You bet I have? And I quote tweeted this one.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
With a meme. The tweet in question March thirteenth, twenty eighteen.
Coach prime quote, I love what the Browns have done
this offseason. But if I'm a young qb Ain't no way,
I'm going to Cleveland. I would pull it Eli Manning
if possible. Hashtag think about that, hashtag truth And I
responded with the jiff from the office, in which Michael
Scott says, well, well, well, how the turn tables? Final thought, Kelly,
(36:02):
you're catching some heat about Joe Flacco. Uh what is
your excuse for how bad he did in Denver? Go?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
How bad was the decision to bring Russell Wilson here?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Ouch?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wow? Neither were effective, in fact, until the Broncos got Bonix,
which I think was a brilliant pick.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And I said it at the time, you did.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
They were wandering in the wilderness after Peyton Manning for
many years.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
We're which project?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah? Were they videoing it like that?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Oh? All right, it kind of was caught on video.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
There you go, Stay tuned. I'm sure shadure will be
a topic for one. Dan caplis chomping at the bed.
He's been away for a week. He has loaded for
bear himself. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Ryan Schuling Live
A lot of this was about prime Tom Deon Sanders.
Say whatever you want to the audience out there, these
idiotic trolls all over social media talking about, you know,
Shador Sanders wasn't that great or whatever. There is no one,
I repeat, no one that looked as Shador Sanders and
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even had him less than the third best quarterback in
the draft.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
This is a quarterback driven lead.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This guy was considered one of the top three quarterbacks
in the draft, and one hundred and forty three picks
came and went before you heard his name.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stephen A.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Smith ESPN tempering his comments somewhat from over the weekend
in which he insinuated that maybe race had something to do.
Was Shadoor Sanders falling in the draft? Back here on
Ryan Schuling Live, Shadeur Sanders was selected number one, forty
four overall by the Cleveland Browns, who, strangely, but this
is Cleveland we're talking about, and Broncos fans, we canna
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make fun of the Browns because we've got them. We
owned them throughout the nineteen eighties. Even Shanner remembers that.
But in this case, the Browns took two quarterbacks, two
high profile quarterbacks still in Gabriel of Oregon, also selected
earlier in this same draft. Add to that their quarterback room,
which also includes Kenny Pickett, who was a highly regarded
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prospect out of Pitt selected by the Steelers. It seemed
to be appropriate a homecoming of sorts. Didn't work out
from there. I believe he went to the Eagles. Now
he's with the Browns. You also got Joe Flacco, long
time quarterback veteran, formerly of the Ravens, and he had
great success there, but he's well passed his prime. And
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then they've got the albatross contractor, Deshaun Watson swinging around
their necks.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's the Browns quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You can keep three of those five who you're gonna keep,
but you can cut ties to Watson all together and
just flush that as a sunk cost, because that's what
it is. Anyway, in my view, I think Flacco's not
long for the rock, so then you're down to Kenny Pickett,
Dylan Gabriel, Shadeur Sanders. Do you really want two rookies
on the same team with one of them holding a
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clipboard the other one being pressed into backup duty. It's
hard to figure that's the Cleveland Browns problem. Now, what
I'll say about Shadour at one forty four, and I
was saying this with Zach last week. You heard me.
I'm not an expert on football, but I know more
than the average bear about a lot of things regarding
the sport that I covered as the play by play
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announcer for the Richmond Speed Arena football team for the
Central Michigan Chippewas, my alma mater for several years. There.
What I would observe about Shadur Sanders there is talent.
He's extremely intelligent. The makeup. I think you can work
with what you have, but you cannot coach arm strength.
You can't necessarily coach you know, that feel for the pocket.
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The thing I noticed about Shadeur when I watched him
in that first season, and this was not his fault,
and I mentioned this last week, was the Colorado offensive line.
And I know Shannon I won't go on the record
with this, but he watched every game. Was one of
the worst Division One offensive lines I've seen in some time.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And that's putting it mildly.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It might be all time, but they were bad during
coach Prime's first year terrible. So what Shador was pressed
into doing was rolling out of the pocket, diving back
about twenty yards, trying to circle around and force a
play or create a play or make something happen because.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
They just weren't gonna win.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But the offensive line did improve in his second year
with the Buffs, and he still had these tendencies to
bail out on a play, to flush out of the
pocket too early, meaning you run the pocket to break
it down is between the tackles, So you take the
snap between the tackles. Here we go, and in college
football you do a lot more shotgun, meaning the center
snaps it and you're about seven yards back in the formation,
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and so you count, you have an internal clock.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You won two three, and then you got to get
rid of the ball.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But many times, I think because he was so shell
shocked by that first year in which the offensive line
didn't protect him, he would be flushed out to be
running around, maybe do his blind side, so he's thrown
against his body forcing a pass, either an interception or
taking a sack. And now it's like second down and
twenty two, and your whole drive is screwed up. At
that point, there's a lot of those kind of decisions
that I didn't think Shador was especially adept at doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Mean I don't think he could be a very good
NFL quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But the thing I'll say about number one, forty four,
the greatest quarterback of all time, Tom Brady. Do you
know where he was selected? One ninety nine full fifty
five picks later?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Why was he selected so late?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Tom Brady was dueling with Drew Henson, who would ultimately
he was splitting between baseball and the Yankees and with
the Dallas Cowboys. His dad was this big figure in
Michigan high school athletics with Brighton High School. And I
used to live in Brighton, And I knew Drew's sister,
Brittany in college and didn't ask her about it, didn't
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even know that she was Drew's sister for the longest time.
She was so like sweet and unassuming and down to earth.
And then are you Drew Henson's sister? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh, okay, Bury the lead here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But anyway, there's a lot of pressure for Lloyd Carr
in the late nineties following the National championship, in which
former Bronco quarterback and a fixture in this area in Colorado,
Brian Greasy led the nineteen ninety seven Wolveigns to a
part of the national Championship. It's controversial how they had
to split it with Nebraska, and we won't get into
all that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But following that, the heir apparent.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Was the anointed one, Drew Henson, Brighton high school multi
sport athlete. Dad's a big deal on the program and
poor Tom Brady from California has.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No local ties.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
There's no politics or nepotism helping him out, and Carr
was faced with a dilemma. It appeared, and as you
watch going back of those late nineties Michigan teams, that
Brady was the superior talent. Henson was figuring it out.
He's a little bit shorter. Brady had that kind of
NFL looking frame. He wasn't especially athletic, but the traditional
pocket passer, yes, he was that. And they ended up
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like split in time. One would play one quarter the other.
It was a mess, and what Lloyd Carr should have
done is put his foot down, go look, Tom Brady's
the better quarterback. We're going with him. But there would
have been a political hell to pay anyway. All that
to say that Tom Brady fell to one ninety nine
and ended up being the greatest quarterback in the history
of the game, better than Joe Montana, who was my
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all time number one, but Brady passed him by in
my honest assessment. And that's being a fan of Michigan State.
His arch rival Steve and A goes off the rails
here though, complaining about shud Or falling in the draft
and makes this non sequitur of comparison. Don't talk to
me about football.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I don't want to hear a damn thing about football.
This ain't about footbaball. This is about sun and else.
And I said that even though it's different. I brought
up the name Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh, come on, Why I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Sit up there and throw a pity party for Colin Kaepernick.
I knew his career in the NFL was over the
minute that the NFL organized that workout for him at
the Atlanta Falcons practice facility, which was led by Jay
z and those Cats and Roger Goodell and what have you.
And he elected not to show up and instead tried
to have the workout I win twenty minutes away and
(07:25):
he gonna notify them two to three hours before the work,
I said, he is done.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
And I have no.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Sympathy because, damn it, they tried to make it happen
because the league had to do it, because the owners
didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'm gonna say something that is very unpopular with the
LESA Dan Kaplis, who will be in and back for
his afternoon show today. But I said at the time,
and I'll say it again, and I want to be
consistent and I always want to shoot you straight.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Both Colin Kaepernick and Tim.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Tebow, there were allegations that because of what they brought,
the circus they brought to an NFL locker room, that
it wasn't worth the While Dan was adamant that Tim
Tebow should be the quarterback of the Broncos after he
led them to that playoff victory over the Steelers, a
Tebo had several other opportunities with other NFL teams that
did not pan out for him. He was even moved
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to tight end from quarterback and it didn't pan out
for him. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy, doesn't
mean he's not an inspirational story. He is. Doesn't mean
he's not a great commentator. I like him on the
television sets where he offers his analysis. I like Tim
Tebow a lot. However, as with Colin Kaepernick, put the
circus aside. Don't even care. This is the NFL. What
(08:36):
is it about wins and losses? If you can win
games and you got that kind of cachet of talent,
they're gonna put up with the whole hell of a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Let me tell you short version too long, didn't read.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
If Tim Tebow had the talent to be a premier
NFL quarterback, he would be one. A team would have
given him that chance. He would have taken that opportunity
and run with it. You know, a guy that had
basically been left for dead and was traded as a
spare part from the Los Angeles Rams in disgrace. He
was a number one overall pick. He had taken him
to the Super Bowl. He was given up on. Jared
(09:13):
Goff was traded to the Detroit Lions for Matthew Stafford,
who had flamed out in Detroit. Just it didn't work
out in Detroit. I think Matthew Stafford's a great quarterback.
He ended up winning a Super Bowl for the Rams,
but it wasn't working for him, Detroit. Jared Goff comes
to Detroit and has a renaissance. He was left, like
I said, for dead, but he fit in Detroit. It
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worked in Detroit, the system, it just melded with him
in Detroit, and Jared Goff is now a very solid
NFL quarterback now. Had he not been that, he'd be
out of the league right now. So don't give me
this Kaepernick crap or even with t Bau. I understand
the distractions, but that's not going to make an NFL's
team decision for them in and of itself, just because
(09:58):
the circus has come into town. It's if you have
the talent to make that irrelevant. Kaepernick did not. I
don't even know that Tibo was a circus. He just
wasn't good enough in my opinion. Again, that differs sharply
with Dan Kaplis, and you might have your own opinion.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Five seven, seven thirty nine Steve and A.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Again he's delving into the conspiracy theories about Shador Sanders
falling in the draft to one forty four in the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's an accident that no owner in the National Football
League wanted to touch him.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We can use the word collusion. It ain't necessary.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They think alike in a lot of different situations.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
They don't have to collude with one another.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
There's a universal understanding that this is our league, and
we want to do what we want to do the
way that we want to do it. And we'll be
damned if anybody's gonna tell us what to do, because
guess what. We run in the show and people gonna come,
They're gonna flop to the stadium, they're gonna have their
tailgate parties.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
We're gonna win in the ratings.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We're gonna make, damn it, two hundred and fifty million
apiece as an owner. Ain't a damn thing anybody's gonna
do about it. We understood that years ago, but suddenly
we gonna engage in collective amnesia here.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Steven A.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Smith is a smart guy, but this is one of
his stupidest all time takes.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
This is horrible.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Do you really believe that of the thirty two NFL owners,
they would all surpass an elite talent at the cost
or perhaps their own jobs wins dollars. If Shadur Sanders
is that good, why isn't he that good? They're not
going to do that you know. I mean, teams are
kicking themselves right now. They didn't pick Tom Brady. Any
team could have had Tom Brady, including my Detroit Lions,
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including the Denver Browncos, but they all passed on them
for one reason or another. If a team really believes
Shoulder Sanders could help them win, wouldn't matter who his
daddy is, wouldn't matter what his attitude was. There were
problems in the interview process that was kind of brought
to light, and Steven A kind of concedes that right here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Prom Tom Dion Sanders hands are not clean in this
should do a Sanders hands are not clean on this.
If you go into an interview and people thinking that
you brash and arrogant and what have you, and they
think that they're going to have a problem working with you,
that's partially on you. Prom Tom Deon sand is going
out publicly and stating on the record there's a couple
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of teams we might now want to win and he
ain't going there if we gonna get him, if they're
gonna select him, and and he's on Tameron Hall Show
and she's like, what if this suddenn't listen? He said,
who what like that ain't gonna happen. You look at
NFL teams along with the specter of people potentially calling
for him to be the next coach. You can understand
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the reticence, but for one hundred and forty.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
A hole that thought because you run up Korea.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Point, here's the major issue. Shader Sanders is not his father,
good batter, indifferent. Deon Sanders was a special cat. This
guy played Major League Baseball in the playoffs for the
Atlanta Braves. He could play receiver, he could play cornerback.
He was prime time before that was a thing. He
was a brand, and he was a champion. And that's
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not fair to should her. He's just not that level
of athlete. He just not. And Dion Sanders, famously, one
of the all time great NFL drafts nineteen eighty nine,
said if Detroit picks me, they better not because I
ain't playing for the Lions ever. Okay, well, then the
poor Lions they had to settle for a running back
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out of Oklahoma State with the same last name named
Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think that worked out.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Okay. Point being Dion could play that game, he's Deon Sanders.
You start playing that game in that crap with Shador
who's good but not great. And you know maybe Elipa
maybe not a team if they're on the fence, is
going to go, you know, maybe, but I know we'll pass.
And it's not just me saying this. How about Dion's
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own son, Shiloh Sanders. He dropped this bombshell. Dad was our.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Agent but hasn't been working out him good. So today
I how to sound with agent bro so we don't
see what happens.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Dad was our agent, but that hasn't been working out
so good, so to I had to sign with it
and it would end up being Drew Rosenhaus. You may
have heard that name before. One of the all time
top agents in the NFL. That's Shiloh Sanders, who was
not drafted at all. Nobody's talking about that very talented guy.
He signed as an undrafted free agent with the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers just fine, and Shiloh decided, you know what,
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go outside the family. I'm gonna hire my own agent.
I don't know if she do is gonna make that
same decision.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That's up to him.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And this is not a personal slam on Shiduur Sanders.
But here again my goodness, I don't even know who
this guy is, but he's replying to Steven A. Smith,
who said the following two days ago. This is a
damn disgrace. How in the hell is she do or not?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Off the board?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not drafted yet? Y'all still think this doesn't have anything
to do with teams hating on Dion Sanders. This kid
is the first rounder in a different way. This is
Kaepernick all over again, being kept out a damn disgrace.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Huh, wouldn't matter if it was Dion.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I mean, Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
They kind of played these games with Archie Manning, you know,
they didn't want to play. I think it was for
the Chargers. Who was a trade he ended up with
the Giants. That worked out for all parties involved, but
he took criticism at the time for that. Start playing
this game, you're gonna win stupid prizes. It's a stupid game.
Don't do it, don't put it out there. Well, he's
not gonna play for Jacksonville, too small of a market.
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He's not gonna And I'm just making up teams. I
don't even know which ones he got a problem with.
It I Detroit. I want him there because I didn't
want to go there, So cross them off the you
start doing that stupid stuff. What benefit is that to Shador?
I'm sorry, but coach Prime, what is the upside to that?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
What game are you playing?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
And then there was this response to the Steven A.
Smith post on X I just told you from a
guy named Christian Israel at christ x Crypto.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Maybe you, Steven A.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Smith, can finally call off the NFL as the plantation
league that it is. Ah here we go there it is.
It really hates black people, but they make those plantation
owners money. But don't talk back to master sir, or
you won't be drafted.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well I replied to that and posted on X the
following myself. You can follow me there at Ryan shuling
A c h U I L I n G. And
I called this one of the most outrageously stupid posts
ever perpetrated on X. What is this clown referring to
Christian Israel saying about? And here's the list. I made
a list and I checked it twice. Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts,
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Super Bowl champion Eagles visiting the White House today He's
not there. Sa Quon Barkley's there any one on Marine
one with Trump? But Jalen Hurts is the Super Bowl champion,
so is Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson perennial NFL MVP candidate consideration,
Generally regarded as one of the top four quarterbacks in
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the sport, along with Mahomes, Hurts, and probably Josh Allen.
Jayden Daniels Rookie of the Year. Washington Commanders beat my
Detroit Lions in the playoffs. I'm still sad. Single tear.
C J Stroud Houston Texans, Jordan Love Green Bay Packers,
Caleb Williams Chicago Bears. Michael Pennox junior with the Atlanta Falcons,
Bryce Young with the Carolina Panthers, Kyler Murray with the
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Arizona Cardinals. Remember Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks, Denver Broncos, Pittsburgh Steelers,
who knows elsewhere? Gino Smith, he had a resurgence season
with the Seattle Seahawks. We want to throw two at
Taga Viola in there. One of my favorite players. He
was a quarterback of color for time about that, don't care,
but he is. He's of Samoan ancestry born in Hawaiian.
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What I'm saying is every one of those quarterbacks of
the NFL, they're all stars, by the way, and they're
all starters for the most part black. So if this
special racist rule is applying to Schadeur Sanders, which again
is garbage, and I don't even grat the premise, obviously,
but I'm just making this point, then what's happening with
all these other guys I just named that are stars
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in the NFL who happen to be black, that are
great quarterbacks at teams. What are they invested in? What
did I tell you? Wins and losses, wins, dollars, profit
at the gates.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
You know, the jersey sales of each one of these guys.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Mahomes, Hurts Jackson, Jaydon Daniels broke the bank with jersey
sales a year ago.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It may have been a thing at one time in
the eighties, when Doug Williams was the quarterback of the
Washington Redskins as they were then known, won a Super Bowl,
first black quarterback to do it. I was a thirteen
year old, going, why who cares? He's great? Won a
Super Bowl. Warren Moon was famously kind of sidelined by
a lot of NFL teams. They didn't want to take
a chance on him. He starred in the Canadian Football
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League and the Houston Oilers gave him an opportunity, and
guess what happened. The Oilers were fantastic in the early nineties.
I wanted the Detroit Lions to sign him back in
the mid nineties, got Scott Mitchell instead.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now you know why I'm miserable as a Lions fan.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh man, if they would have Warren Moon with Barry
Sanders and Herman Moore. Moral of the story is race
was not a factor in any of this talent was
It's about wins? Can you get him with Shador Sanders?
That was the question in many NFL teams decided no.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
After the President's truth social host, the Browns finally took
Cher Sanders. Does the President think he deserves credit for
Sanders getting picked and does he think going to the
Browns is better than being undrafted?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Hey, all I will say is the President put out
a statement and a few rounds later he was drafted.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So I think the facts speak for themselves on that one.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Pierre Jarreline Lovett answering, Peter Doucey, you got a nice
little jab in on the Cleveland Browns. Are you better
off being drafted by the Browns or going undrafted like
his brother Shiloh did, who then signed out the really
solid NFL franchise, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And my buddy
Hutch is pretty excited about that one. Here is the
posting question on true social from President Trump during the draft.
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So he's got a lots going on, but obviously was
paying attention to the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
President Trump's a big sports fan if he was watching
the draft live. What is wrong with NFL owners?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Are they stupid?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Dion Sanders was a great college football player and was
even greater in the NFL. He's also a very good coach,
street wise and smart. Therefore, Shaudeur, his quarterback son has
phenomenal genes and is all set for greatness. He should
be picked immediately by a team that wants to win.
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Good luck, shouldur and say hello to your wonderful father.
That from President Trump. Let's go to the texts on
this two five seven, seven, three nine. Ryan sounds like
the movie Jerry maguire, show me the money. That's right,
Kuba Gooding Junior, Arizona Cardinals, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Not Ted Cruz, but tob Cruz.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Okay, there's the FAFO scale, right, and then there's this
other one's a little more controversial. Shannon knows where I'm
going with this, and I make it a little trouble
and whatever. It's the hot crazy scale. You know what
I'm talking, which is you'll put up with more crazy
from the person you're dating, the hotter they are. Now,
that's shallow, I get it, but don't tell me it's
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not true. Oh man, she's nuts. She does this crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
She's lying all the time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
But she's hot. Yeah, you end up paying the piper
in that one. Let me just give that little bit
of advice for your you gen z guys that are
in the dating scene out there. You don't want any
part of that. But I'm just saying. The analogy here
is the more talent you have as a quarterback, the
more nonsense or perceived nonsense a team's gonna put up with.
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It's just the fact of the matter. But they don't
want to put up with any nonsense. I mean the
Detroit Lions culture right now, which I can speak to directly.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I know it well.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They don't draft anybody that's a characteristic and the ones
that are borderline, well they've had some problems with Jamison
Williams a little bit. But they want rock solid, blue collar,
hard guys that are Dan Campbell, guys that are team
oriented guys. And look at the results. They were fifteen
and two a year ago. They've improved every year under
Dan Campbell. That's just one example. Another one I'll offer
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up is this if the allegation as well, he's black
and therefore the whole league is colluding against him. Mean
Stephen A. Smith is sounded like a damn fool, talking
like he knows better than that. I think it was
just cheap heat pro wrestling style for clicks and views
and likes and whatever. Because I just gave you the
list of all the black quarterbacks, excellent ones in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Who are the best quarterbacks in the NFL that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Any team would kill to have. They happen to be black.
Nobody cares anymore, not a factor anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But even when it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm going to go back in time, gonna go back
in time, there was a time in our nation's history,
in the fifties and the sixties when the schools of
the South were ridiculous and segregated. And they break this
down in Forrest Gump were University of Alabama member. Forrest
Gumpy up the Girl's Book and it was a big thing. Alabama, Texas,
all these Southern states didn't want black players.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Okay, you want to play that game.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Guess what Duffy Doherty, head coach Michigan State decides. Well, okay,
I'll swoop in and I'll take Jean Washington, one of
the great all time college wide receivers, and.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
He turned into an excellent NFL player.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Another one you probably know by name from the Police
Academy movies, Bubba Smith.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There's a fun story.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Not sure if I have time, but my mom was
a student at Michigan State at the exact same time
as Bubba, and she had the same circle of friends
that Bubba did. And Bubba's younger brother, swear to God
his nickname, this is what he went by, Tody. Gotten
some legal heat, some trouble, and it's a whole thing.
And my mom helped balim out of jail and didn't
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get paid back and she went int Duffy Doherty's office
because that was my mom. She didn't care who you were.
She gave zero fs and she wants storming into Duffy
Dorty's office.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The man for this bail money back.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
She had to put up fifty bucks, which a lot
of money back then we're talking mid sixties. She got
conned into it, learned her lesson. Duffy Doherty kind of
played dumb. I don't know that she ever got paid back.
I can't ask her again, but I think the story
as she told it to me was she didn't get
paid back. That's the short version of the story anyway.
Bubba Smith was an All American for Michigan State NFL
player for the San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Came a movie star Police Academy Movies, and Michigan State thrived.
They won two national titles, and then the Southern schools
realized that if they wanted to compete, they wanted to win.
Guess what, you gotta make room for the black players
who were exceptional. So that took care of itself in
the competitive landscape. What I'm saying is it doesn't make
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any sense for an NFL team to go. We got
like fifty five percent of our roster our black players.
We can't have a black quarterback, and we definitely can't
have to do her Sanders moronic. That analysis is moronic.
Eric Mannings says, the following always got a kind of
shift through here is he is? There's there some profanity
in there, Kelly, you know? Okay, Well, I'm just gonna
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go with it. Eric says, as a black man myself,
Stephen A. Smith has the nerve of running for president.
He should shut his I'm gonna say damn mouth on
this topic unless it's positive. Huh. Kelly Cachera, she's in.
She's as big of an NFL fan as anybody I know.
Partial to the Green Bay Packers. Kelly, what do you
make of the Shador Sanders drop in the draft?
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Okay, first of all, you got everything wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I got everything wrong.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Person that integrated the league was John McKay at USC
went to the track and went and saw the runners
and said, hey, here's a ball.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think there was a concurrent in time on the calendar.
You talk about OJ Simpson would be one.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Right, Well, that's I'm not talking he didn't run track.
I'm talking about John McKay back in the tree, and
I'm not talking about you know, when he coached Tampa
Bay for the first year and he was asked, you know,
what do you think.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
About your offenses execution?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
No, no, it was what do you think about you winning?
And he's like, I'm all for it?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
No, he said, he was asked something along the lines
of what do you think of your offense's execution? And
then he made that joke of the play on words
of them all for it? I support it?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, sure. It was fascinating to see how many
teams just and I got to say, I don't think
it's a racial thing. I don't think of course not.
Of course, it's not anything about that. I think he
made an ass of himself when he went on to
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the pro day at CU. He didn't go to the combine,
so nobody got to actually see what he could do.
And by the way, oh God, I work for Dan.
Caplis Dan.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I hope you're not hearing what Dan says about all
of this.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Dan, I love you, Please keep paying me. He's not good.
He's not good, he's not great.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
He might not be great. I would agree if you.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Say, you know what he just went to a scheme
that has four quarterbacks. You know what's going to happen
at the first preseason game. He's going to be cut.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, they have five, you've got to.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Go to free free agencies.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I think they're gonna cut Flacco, but they've got DeShawn
Watson on the contract.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Not going to cut Flack Flacco over Shaduur.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, let me, let me list.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
You've got to pick three of the following, and one
of them is just an emergency alternate.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Okay, here's the list.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Deshaun Watson, big contract attached to him. He's an albatross. Yep,
Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett is now on their roster. Dylan
Gabriel he took in this draft out of Oregon, Dan Shadoor,
Sanders Kelly.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's five pick three? Which three?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Okay? All right? You got to keep Flacco because he
can actually he knows everything can go over.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
To Sean Watson.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
No, you just asked me, okay, I haven't. You got
to keep to Sean? Okay, absolutely right, and then my
third backup if you really wanted to go, there would
be Kenny Pickett. Now, if you wanted to keep a fourth.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, they waste two draft picks, and I know it's
the Browns. It's a it's a punchline in and of itself.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Dylan Gabriel is like dying.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Right, Dylan Gabriel and Shuder Sanders two draft picks spent
on quarterbacks that you say they're gonna cut.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yes, that's insane.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, I'm not saying you're insane. I'm just saying
that could happen, and it would be a.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Free agency and you know what they might like. Actually, listen,
Dion probably spent a lot of the time over the
weekend calling other teams. Yes, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Can that be tampering?
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He actually no, he's the agents for both of us.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, no, Kelly, you did not listen to Ryan shuling
live because I broke this earlier.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
But has been working out him good today? Sound agrop.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That was Shiloh sandersnnouncing he had just fired his father
and hired Drew Rosenhaus.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
What did I just say, I don't know. I just
said Shiloh Fire's father. There you go, so the same
all I All I'm saying is that I don't think
Chador is very good.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Who bears the highest percentage of responsibility for jew Chadur
falling in the draft.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Is this Chadur himself? Is it Dion?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Is it NFL owners colluding against him? What was it?
Should should himself?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah? I don't think he interviewed well. I don't think
he presented himself well because he came off as entitled
and because I'm Dion's son, I should just automatically get
drafted in the first rop. Yeah, and That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Even stephen A. Smith was conceding that, you know, Dion
was playing this game like he did, like he did personally.
I ain't gonna play in Detroit, Okay, Well we'll take
Barry Sanders and then he's trying to extend this to
his son. Likely I want to go here, and I'm
wanna go to there like and then most teams are going,
you know what, Okay, not worth it. But if Shadur
Sanders had been like cam Ward, let's say, a University
of Miami quarterback that level of talent, I don't think
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it would have mattered, not as much.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
To understand that, you know, in the second pick, you
got it juxtaposed the two kids, Okay, with Travis Hunter. Yeah,
Travis Hunter who was awesome. Yes, okay, he was excited.
He wants to work, he wants to be part of
the team.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
He wears footy pajamas whatever. Awesome draft the best.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I mean he wore a pink coat. I love it too.
But you could tell that his enthusiasm was for the
team and he wanted to be a team player. Shadur
came off as you got to hire me just because
I'm entitled and I should be drafted.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Do you think Shador has learned a lesson in all
of this, some humility from this experience? Oh?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Would you anticipate that you would remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think he's a highly intelligent young man, and I
think there's I think he has possessed some wisdom and
maybe more now. But I think to your point, Kelly,
where I agree is I just wasn't sure about the talent,
and I watched him in a lot of these games
talked about there you go and then rolls out and
he takes on necessary risks and gambles that you cannot
afford to take in the NFLFL.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You're gonna get hurt, You're gonna get the teams like loose.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You're gonna be in thirty thirty seven, yep, behind the
sticks and then have the punt you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The in fourth place, and you know, and Cleveland is
not great any and the jog pound, the jog pound
is probably like, man, holy crap, why the hell did
we do that?
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm sure talk radio is a blaze in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Could you imagine? Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Uh? Huh? I can this from Ralph? If Flacco didn't
have thirty seven kids, he could retire. Yeah, he did
that to himself. Ralph, Well, with some help, obviously, but
he had a part in it. Final time out, Well,
go to your text when we close things out five
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Speaker 7 (33:55):
The other change for Belichick is twenty four year old
Jordan Hudson, his creative muse As he writes in his book,
Make Sure That's the Jordan was a constant presence during
our interview.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You have Jordan thread over there.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.
They've got an opinion about your private life. He's got
nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
How do you deal with that?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I've never been too worried about what everybody else thanks,
just to try to do what I feel like is
that's for me and what's right.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Not talking about this?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
No, No, it's a topic neither one of them is
comfortable commenting on.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I can't stand this girl. Jordan Hudson twenty four years old.
Bill Belichick is five years younger.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Than my dad.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
My dad's seventy eight, Belichick's seventy three.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
What could he possibly have in.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Common with a twenty four year old if my dad
was dating a twenty nine year old?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Ah, I mean, come on? And then she.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Has the audacity all over Instagram. She's a mermaid, he's
a fisherman. Te they're on the beach. He's got his
feet up. She's soaring in this pose, as Tony Dokopol says,
like the Titanic, that's all for public domain. But don't
you dare ask how they met?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Why not? Why don't you share that part of it?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Do you? Are? You? Megan Markle is there like you
want to have your cake and eat it too. Give
us privacy, but I don't want privacy over here. Notice
me got to pick one. Let's go to the tax
five seven, seven thirty nine, Andy asks Ryan, have you
heard about the tweet that Dion posted in March twenty eighteen? Andy,
does a bear crap in the woods?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
You bet I have? And I quote tweeted this one.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
With a meme. The tweet in question March thirteenth, twenty eighteen.
Coach prime quote, I love what the Browns have done
this offseason. But if I'm a young qb Ain't no way,
I'm going to Cleveland. I would pull it Eli Manning
if possible. Hashtag think about that, hashtag truth And I
responded with the jiff from the office, in which Michael
Scott says, well, well, well, how the turn tables? Final thought, Kelly,
(36:02):
you're catching some heat about Joe Flacco. Uh what is
your excuse for how bad he did in Denver? Go?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
How bad was the decision to bring Russell Wilson here?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Ouch?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wow? Neither were effective, in fact, until the Broncos got Bonix,
which I think was a brilliant pick.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And I said it at the time, you did.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
They were wandering in the wilderness after Peyton Manning for
many years.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
We're which project?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah? Were they videoing it like that?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Oh? All right, it kind of was caught on video.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
There you go, Stay tuned. I'm sure shadure will be
a topic for one. Dan caplis chomping at the bed.
He's been away for a week. He has loaded for
bear himself. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Ryan Schuling Live
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