Lonnie Jordan, original member and lead vocalist/keyboardist for the legendary music group WAR, and Jerry Goldstein, founder and longtime producer/manager for the group, join Ryan to discuss their new holiday single "(Yes It's) Christmas."
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The track offers an irresistibly funky groove that radiates sunny vibes and the holiday spirit. Like many of the offerings from the multi-platinum-selling band, the song began as an extended jam, which producer Jerry Goldstein sculpted into the final song. Frontman Lonnie Jordan’s lyrics manifest a laid-back, warm-weather Christmas, where kids from all types of neighborhoods dream of Santa dropping off his goodies just for them and the joy of the season. Fans will hear seasonal staples like bells while also being treated to WAR’s unique instrumentation, including a guiro that makes this new holiday favorite instantly recognizable as a WAR tune.
Over the years, WAR has charted 16 songs on the Billboard Hot 100, including a dozen Top 40 hits - 7 of which reached the Top 10, including: "Spill The Wine," "The World Is A Ghetto," "The Cisco Kid," "Gypsy Man," "Why Can't We Be Friends," "Low Rider" and "Summer".
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https://open.spotify.com/track/0osxc5lRdrO4KPR3XiYpXE?si=20777a2a9e8a4217
The track offers an irresistibly funky groove that radiates sunny vibes and the holiday spirit. Like many of the offerings from the multi-platinum-selling band, the song began as an extended jam, which producer Jerry Goldstein sculpted into the final song. Frontman Lonnie Jordan’s lyrics manifest a laid-back, warm-weather Christmas, where kids from all types of neighborhoods dream of Santa dropping off his goodies just for them and the joy of the season. Fans will hear seasonal staples like bells while also being treated to WAR’s unique instrumentation, including a guiro that makes this new holiday favorite instantly recognizable as a WAR tune.
Over the years, WAR has charted 16 songs on the Billboard Hot 100, including a dozen Top 40 hits - 7 of which reached the Top 10, including: "Spill The Wine," "The World Is A Ghetto," "The Cisco Kid," "Gypsy Man," "Why Can't We Be Friends," "Low Rider" and "Summer".
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yes, it's Christmas and that's not just a statement. That's
the name of the song. Back here on Ryan Schuling
Live and the sounds that you're hearing are from War,
that's right, the all time great group. And I'll talk
about this in a moment. They should be in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in my opinion, and
joining us now one of the founding members. He is
also the lead vocalist and keyboardist. Lonnie Jordan, a legend
(00:40):
in his own right, and Jerry Goldstein. He has done
so much in the world of music, including helping conceive
of the band War. He remains their manager and producer
and one that helped shape this song that you just heard,
and they both joined me now. Lonnie, Jerry, thank you
so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Thank you, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I'm going to art with you and where this all began,
for War, for you, for Lonnie, and if you could
take us back to that point in time and what
was the magic that you saw.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, it's really they were a jam band from the
beginning and could play any kind of music. I mean
when I first met them, they were doing Latin jazz
phone you know, Bose R and b you know you
nade it, they could play it, and I really didn't
(01:28):
know what to do with you know, I was kind
of scratching my head, going I've.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Got to figure out what to do.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we got on a rehearsal studio and they were
and I said, keep working on some stuff. Let me
know when you got something worth listening to. And while
this was going on, Eric Burden showed up in my
office one day. The last group of Animals had disbanded.
He was on his way back to Newcastle. He didn't
really want to do this anymore, and I said, you know,
(01:54):
I got a group that I don't know what to
do with, but you might really like to work with them,
because they were brilliant musicians and they play anything, you know,
and you know you can sing anything, so you know
this might work. And they were at the time batting
up this football player, Deacon Jones, who is you know,
world class, big time football player from the Rams, and
(02:18):
he was singing the Blues and doing one handed push
ups while he was doing it. And they were rehearsing
for a Las Vegas review that Deacon was going to headline.
And they were playing in a club called the rag
Doll in the valley and I told Eric, come on,
let's go out to the rag Doll and see this
group tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And Lee Oska, the eventual harmonica player in law, was
living with Eric, you know, staying at his house. So
then he came down and the group played this set
with Deacon Jones, and then they played a jam after
they started the jam, and we got up in jam
with him. And the next day I called Eric and
I asked him, well, what do you think of the band?
(02:57):
He says, we're rehearsing at four o'clock, and you know,
he then fired most of the horn players and just
kept Choles the sax player, and put Lee as the
harmonicas you know, making the horn section, which I thought
was kind of interesting but different. And four weeks later
we did our first gig, a Devonshour Downs Pop Festival,
(03:18):
starring Jimmy Hendricks and everybody, and we followed Creeden's clear Water,
who was the first Eric Burdon and War gig, and
after that it was just history, and.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's history that goes until this day present day, twenty
twenty four, you might recall, and I saw them in
the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade just this year and featuring
this song the voice you heard Jerry Goldstein, long time
record producer, such great songs that you'll remember, like My
Boyfriend's Back, hang On Sloopy, I Want Candy. And also
joining us Lonnie Jordan, the frontman for War and he
(03:49):
has been all these years. Lonnie, as Jerry just described,
you have this unique kind of combination. And I'll make
this comparison George Martin and the Beatles. He would bring
them together, he would have a vision for a song,
he would hear them playing and then put it all together.
How did this song come together in that same kind
of formulaic way for you and the band?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, different from the Beatles all though Jerry used to
call us the Black Beatles back in the early days.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
He did, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The difference with us and George Martin and the Beatles
is the fact that Jerry was a button pusher. If
he didn't push the button while we were jamming for
an hour or two or three, then everything was lost,
forgotten and never to be remembered again. And so that's
basically how we created on music. And then Jerry would
(04:45):
take those long versions of the tape sit down and
listen to it and do some edits and edit somewhere
in the middle and find something interesting, and then we
would come up with a theme the titled for UH
for that particular part. And the next thing, you know,
(05:06):
we start UH the vocals doing some vocal ideas and stuff,
and just the melody ideas, and just we just go
from there, just keep going, keep jamming. Even with those ideas,
we would just get on the mic and jamming. We
didn't write down much of anything. If we did, there
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was a few scribbles here and there be thrown away.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Big were thrown away.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But we tried to remember most of what we wanted
to do because it all came from feel. You know,
we want to feel it for real, organically comes. If
we read too much of it, then you could pretty
much fill the mechanical uh, the technical feel instead.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of the real organic feel. And that's that's what we
did and we still do it to this very day.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Lonnie Jordan, the voice you're hearing is the lead vocalist,
the keyboardist, the front man for Ward has been all
these years. It's so difficult use that word feel, Lonnie.
I want to follow up on that to write a
Christmas song that really pops, that really stands out, and
this has that feel of Christmas with War's unique kind
of take on it. Where did this come from, this
(06:22):
idea for this song?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, well, originally it was Summer the song Summer called
His sum.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Which was a big hit.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Rock I think something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I can't remember it too long ago.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It wasn't yesterday, I can't remember. But but other than that, uh, Jerry,
it was really Jerry's idea after being bugged by the
record label to come out with the Christmas song, and
we decided we did not want to put out Joy
to the World or Silent Night and and and try
to create an up temple beat or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So so we just said, why.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Don't we take one of our ancient history songs organically
and just take it and remix it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And put h Christmas.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, Jerry wrote the Christmas lyrics, and I redid the
vocal and and we put some little amenities on there,
like you know, some Christmas bells, cupcakes and cakes and.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Candy on there, and and uh and it was all
history after that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Here we are to the record company and they slipped
out and they said Okay, let's make a video.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So we made the video and here we are.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes it's Christmas and.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You could find it on Spotify, all the major platforms.
And yes it's Christmas. Is the title War. The group
and the two that we're talking to a dynamic duo.
Lonnie Jordan, who you just heard, the frontman for War
and Jerry Goldstein, the man that makes things happen behind
the scenes. And Jerry, I want to turn to you.
You have such a great picture of the history of
this band, but you really need to reboot it at
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one point where Lonnie was the only remaining original member
and then you launch into what I would call War
two point zero and how it's been able to survive
and evolve over all these years. How did you get
through that with Lonnie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Are you sure you're not a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Your words may your words are scaring me.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, it's just not tell the story.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's all it involved. Evolved it It actually evolved itself,
and people came in and out, you know, and and Lonnie,
you know, was the constant that was there all the
time and origent people came in, he would, you know,
assimilate them into the band and they'd learned how to
(09:12):
do what they had to do, and you know, I
helped where I could, and it just evolved.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It keeaps evolving them well.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I kept.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
One of the main things is that any new member
that came in the band had to.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Pretty much not think.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Do not come in this band and start thinking. Do
not come in this band and start trying to be
so perfect and professional that you tune up so well
until you make everyone else look bad.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Do not do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Just come in play like as if you were just
learning how to play your instrument. And yeah, and let's
just jam. Look at the people because they don't care
if you tune up. They know nothing about tuning up.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
All they want to do is.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Saying the melodies, move, dance and just feel good.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And they are We are reflection of our fans. And
I always say our fans are our rock and roll
Hall of fans, and they put us here and they
can take us out. And I have high respects for
our fans. They are so important and that's what's kept
us here and kept the fire burning all this time
(10:31):
with our fans.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Dating back fifty five years to nineteen sixty nine, both
Lonnie Jordan and Jerry Goldstein joining us here on Ryan
Schuling Live. There'll be too rings throughout the early portion
of twenty twenty five. Hopefully at some point they might
come here to Denver, Colorado. We'll keep tabs on that.
But a question that I had for you, Lonnie, over
all these years, I feel that War is a rock
and roll Hall of Fame type band, and you have
(10:54):
songs that have lasted in the American consciousness for so
long schoo Kid, gypsy Man. The world is a ghetto
spill the Wine. But the two that stand out to
me along with Summer, which has evolved into this song, Yes,
it's Christmas Lowrider. Why can't we be friends? I mean,
these are iconic classics. Is there a particular song that
stands out to either one of you as the iconic
(11:17):
definitive song or a favorite of yours that you think
fans should know about?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
H Yeah, I would say, uh Man, baby Brother in
the Darkness, build the Wine? I mean, should I go on?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yes? Well, I can't remember half of them. Gypsy Man,
I don't think what.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To me?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Lowrit Lowrider is probably our signature song, you know, all
my ring Hell because of how many uses it's been
(13:11):
and you know, the teach and Sean came along and
asked us to put it as their feature song, and
Up and Smoke George Lopez asked to use it as
his theme song his sitcom which lasted six years on
network television, And you know the Beastie Boys and Slow
Ride and you know, it's been one of those songs
(13:31):
that you know, it's it's created an image for Lowriders.
I mean, we took the Lowrider pictures and images all over.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The world because people bought the record.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
And was a hit everywhere, but they didn't even know
what a lowrider was, you know, other than how we
described them in the song. And so when we went
on the road, we had the you know, the film
with us, and we showed them a little that is
going up and down, oppingon on whatever they do, you know.
And to this day, like in Japan, there is a
(14:07):
low ride of culture and lower right of car club.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
But at the same time, that's we're talking about when
we talk about like songs that that I haven't that
I don't think that's made enough noise, uh.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That I'm still thinking about now, Lowriders sort of sell us.
Now let's talk about.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The women, and one of one of my favorite is
a lot of the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Slower songs like all day.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Music you know that I did.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Is what we like all the.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And another one is uh, since you been gone Baby,
It's cold shot.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Mine. That one songs that you don't hear much, you know,
because there was an album cut or deliver the word
so ma.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
You live the world, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So that's for the women's side of us, you.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Know, Don't I Forget, Don't let No One Get You?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, and don't let No One Get Cute? Yeah, songs
like that. Those are songs that a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Of people put in their foul cabinet in.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Their minds, that is, when things happened, someone is in prison,
or someone passed away. You know, these are songs that
I have to hear a lot from a lot of
people who say, well, that was my favorite song, or
that was my uncle's favorite song before he passed away.
You know, things like that, you know, and that that
(16:46):
like it doesn't put a load on me. It's just
it's very heartfelt, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
When I hear people tell me that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
One of our songs was part of someone's life when
they were al eyes and now for their siblings or
their children, is now part of their life.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Annie final question, I know I got to let you
guys go really appreciate your time. You're a very young
seventy six years old. How much longer can you see
yourself doing this? And would entry into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame mean a lot to you?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Another seventy six years, Yeah, I will definitely, it means
it means a lot the rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
But what means more to me is my rock and
roll Hall of fans. They mean more to me.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Now, don't get me wrong. I will accept a trophy,
you know, for the Rock and Roll Hall of Saying,
but I am not in competition. I'm not one of
those kind of people. I'm not in the band to
compete with any other band. This band, along with all
other bands, re entertain the people, and that's what it's
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all about, is entertaining the fans, not competing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's my personal opinion and the reason why they've lasted
fifty five years and are still going strong. That's war
The song, Yes It's Christmas, available now, Amazon, dot Com
or Spotify, all the major platforms you can find them
on streaming services. They're so glad to be joined by
Lonnie Jordan, the lead vocalist, keyboardist, original member of War,
founding member of the group, and Jerry Goldstein, the magic
(18:29):
behind the scenes he conceived of the group, longtime manager
and producer. Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us
here on Ryan Shulding Live.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Thank you, Seang San.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, all of
the above. War, Yes, it's Christmas and the bar for
me as you look at the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame is who just got in twenty twenty four
cool in the gang? Love them a tribe called Quest
Big in the nineties, Mary J. Blige, Okay MC five,
Classic Share, Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Matthews Band. But you just
(19:03):
heard so many songs from War's catalog. You're like that
was War? Oh yeah, I mean this was a very
impactful band, especially in the seventies, and I think War
belongs in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame as
the great Anna fred.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Freda from Abba and our own there in the eighties
with that Billboard top one hundred hit, I know there's
something going on and there is something going on off
the coast of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Our FBI Christopher Ray stepping down January sixth, there were
at least two dozen, probably more FBI assets. I'm going
to call them now. These are sources you can kind
of twist and turn the definitions, as Christopher Ray tried
to do during his hearings, and we talked about that
(19:55):
this week. But if they're on the FBI payroll, if
they're on the FBI race, if they'd been compromised by
the FBI. And I made this comparison. Jesse Waters kind
of made a similar one last nine of Fox News.
But imagine you're watching The Sopranos and you see big
pussy Bompin Sero get flipped. He's having to wear a
wire and he's having to report back to an FBI
(20:17):
agent every so often because if he doesn't, he's going
to go to prison for slinging h for selling heroin.
So he's compromised to the FBI and therefore makes the
deal to be a rat. And so what we had
at the US Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one,
were at least twenty six government informants FBI rats who
(20:42):
embedded themselves with groups like the three Percenters and the
Proud Boys, et cetera, and their job as it pertained
to the FBI and what they were being brought on
the payroll for and what they were being promised, you know,
an absence from prison for where Okay, what are the
movements of this group, what are the plans? What's going
to go on? And the FBI apparently dropped the ball.
(21:06):
This also goes to the theory that this was a spontaneous act,
that there was mass stupidity on that day, which I
do believe that it was contagious, and that a riot
ensued because there was this kind of mob mentality, this
group of our all going into the capitol and Ray
Apps helped egg that on. Make no mistake, you've seen
(21:27):
the videos and there are people in prison who were
not caught on video doing anywhere remotely as much as
what that would portend to be, which is we got
to go into the capitol. He's caught on video saying
this several times. Ray Apps was never charged. Why not?
Ray Apps? His testimony, which seems like could be compelling
and pivotal, was not televised during the prime time made
(21:51):
for TV event that these bogus January sixth committee hearings
were transmitted to be We saw the life of Cassidy
Hutchinson relaying a second hand tail that turned out to
be demonstrably false by the Secret Service agents who were
in attendance that somehow Donald Trump from the rear of
(22:13):
the Beast, the big SUV, the bulletproof vehicle that he
was traveling in, Donald Trump took it upon himself to
reach across up toward the driver and the steering wheel
of these very buff, strong fit young Secret Service agents,
the one that was driving, and try to yank the
steering wheel out of his hand. This is the testimony
(22:34):
that Liz Cheney wanted televised to the American public. This
was all theater, It was all a production. It was false.
It was based on a false premise. Because once again,
if the FBI didn't know that there was going to
be a riot that day or they're going to storm
the Capitol that day, either they should have or it
was a spontaneous event. This was not a planned insurrection.
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And I've made this point before, and I've seen others
make this point before, and I don't want it to
have I don't support what happened that day at all.
I don't support violence in any form. Our victory was
on November fifth, of the ballot box, and thank god
Donald Trump got it. But our victory comes from winning
hearts and minds with better ideas in the public arena,
(23:15):
in the political arena. However, if people on our side
pro two A gun advocates really were planning a mass
insurrection to take over the government, we would not have
been led by a guy in a buffalo hat with
a painted face who was yelling and just walking around.
(23:38):
There was not a single gun or armed person in
the Capitol who wasn't a DC officer. By the way,
one killed Ashley Babbitt. There's so many holes in the
in flaws in the logic of the premise that this
was an insurrection. If it was, it was the stupidest,
worst insurrection, ill equipped, ill prepared, ever conceived. And maybe
(23:59):
you're going to go with that narrative, but it certainly
wasn't planned thought out, like we're going to be armed,
we're going to go, you know, flanking formation as we
stormed the Capitol and go get Mike Pence. All of that.
There was no plan and most of the people that
went into the Capitol were wandering around like idiots, you know,
putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. I mean,
(24:20):
these are the videos that we saw. It was relatively calm.
They should never have gone in there. I'll save it
a thousand times. But the police, the uniformed officers that
were there that day, were calmly escorting a lot of
these protesters around the Capitol and saying, well, you put
us through a major inconvenience here, but just don't tear
anything up, you know, keep it quiet, keep it calm.
(24:40):
I mean, this is not an insurrection. And then the
most asinine, idiotic, stupidest comment I've ever seen, and there's
a lot of competition, I understand, but was when that
dim wit Kamala Harris, thank god she lost, stood in
front of the American people and addressed us and said
certain dates stand out in history, and she said December seventh,
nineteen four forty one, September eleventh, two thousand and one,
(25:04):
and January sixth, twenty twenty one. I mean, that's an
insult to the people that died at Pearl Harbor, to
our service member's navy that died at Pearl Harbor. To
the almost three thousand American civilians and first responders who
died on nine to eleven, there was one civilian death
(25:24):
in the capital, Ashley Babbitt. There were a couple others
that were heart attacks. There was a suicide a believer
too later by uniform personnel on site. And Brian Sicknick
was not hitting the head with the fire extinguisher. That
was a falsehood. That was a myth. That didn't happen.
That was a lie, and Anderson Cooper and so many
others reported that as fact. It didn't happen. Brian Sicknick
(25:45):
suffered a stroke and then later died as an after
effect of that stroke. It's not to say that what
happened on that day had any credence or that I
supported in any way. I don't. But when you mythologize it,
when you fictionalize it, when you exaggerate it than any
kind of meaning or standing that you had, and making
the argument against it falls apart on its face. And
(26:09):
now with Christopher Ray bowing out like the coward he
is refusing to testify on the record and tell the
people of America that yes, we had FBI assets on
the ground that day. We didn't have contact or communication
with them, We didn't have coordination. It was not orchestrated
by US. I would believe all of that, But he
lied by omission by saying and he would reframe the question.
(26:30):
We talked about that this week as well by saying,
if you're asking XYZ, then the answer is no. No,
don't re ask the question to yourself. Answer the question
that we asked. Were their sources that were there on site,
on foot, who attended that rally turned into a riot,
(26:50):
who were on the government dime, the payroll of the FBI,
who were on the radar of the FBI and communication
with the FBI. That answer is yes. And Christopher Ray
would never confirm that on the record. He hid behind
it its ongoing investigation or I can't talk about it.
And he was just truly cowardly. And I'm glad that
he's gone. But one of the first actions that Donald
(27:12):
Trump should take when he assumes office January twenty, twenty
twenty five is to pardon a vast majority of those
Jan sixers, not the ones who committed violent crimes, who
hurt people, who assaulted cops. That needs to be litigated
and adjudicated. But for those like the typical example the
(27:33):
Gramma walking around the Capitol and the only crime that
a person committed was trespassing on that day, get out
of here with that noise. Donald Trump makes this point too,
after everything they let go with Chaz and Chop and
Seattle and Portland in Minneapolis, and the George Floyd Summer
of Love riots where government buildings were burned to the ground,
where businesses were destroyed, where lives were lost, where people
(27:55):
were injured, and nothing happened because that cause was just
That's kind of the theme of today's We go back
to our number one on the Right Side of Hollywood
with Deborah Flora and Christian Toto is that the left
feels so morally justified in their position that they are
right and we are wrong, that they are good and
we are evil, that fighting against us means an existential
(28:16):
threat must be extinguished by any means necessary. If that
means murder, then so be it. I won't advocate for it,
they say, we won't celebrate it necessarily, but we understand it.
The guy had a point in Luigi Mangioni, and now
at least it has started a conversation. Sure, it's took
an assassination to start a conversation nationally about the problems
with healthcare. But the end justifies the means that is
(28:39):
the mindset of the absolute delusional, lunatic fringe left. And
more and more it's becoming emblematic of the entire Democratic
Party until or and less some people like John Fetterman
or Bill Maher, people that are agents of the Democratic
Party and want it to win, maybe a Van Jones,
people who speak sense. They're going to have to root
out these elements of their party are they're going to
(29:01):
continue to lose, and by all means, I welcome that
a time out. Kelly coucherraz back classes back in session.
We have one more edition of Based Fetterman when we
come back. In our Friday Fool of the Week, once again,
the nominees the governor of the fifty first state of Canada,
Justin Trudeau, Jake Tapper of CNN, and Taylor Lorenz, who's
currently unemployed because of what she said this week. Vox
(29:23):
Let her Go. Ryan Shulding Live concludes on this Friday
after this and now Everybody's favorite Democratic Congress with another
edition of Based Fetterman.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
All I am saying is the Democrats or other people
can freak out over anyone that was nominated, and I
am not that guy, and I'm open to have a
conversation for whoever.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I don't know why it's.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Controversial to have a dialogue with the people that are
on a part of the next administration. Those individuals can
you know vent Her Rant on Twitter. But I'm here
to have conversations and I think I'm just doing my job.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I love this guy. I mean, something happened after his
stroke and when he came to Frankenstein style, he makes
a lot of sense. He's very based, and that's your
addition of based Fetterman. Kelly Kuchira back in the chair.
Do you think the Democrats are going to try to
primary him when he comes up for election?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
You know, that's a really good question. But I think
you can just look at Pennsylvania. It's very much leaning
red and he is conforming to that. So if they
were to try that, I think it would be a
waste of money at this point, and I think Fetterman
is doing all the right moves at all the right times.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
They don't get along with each other, from what I've
heard reported, but Josh Shapiro and John Fetnerman are both
very electable Democrats in a state like Pennsylvania, purple state. Yes,
and again, I think he's eminently likable. You know me,
twenty years ago, I would have loved John Fetterman, and
I might have voted for him. I can't because he's
a Democrat, and I can't allow that to happen for
them to have power. But if you have to deal
(31:05):
with a Democrat, I'd rather be John Fetterman.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Well, initially when he came on the scene with his
hoodies shorts, you know, I literally I was like, Okay,
this guy's a little I'm not sure what we're dealing
with here. But of course, after the stroke and after
the therapy that he went through and things like that,
I think he finally woke up and started talking to
(31:28):
his constituents and realizing, Okay, when I'm on Capitol Hill,
it's a whole different environment. When I'm at home, I'm
hearing completely different things that do not are not the
same things that I'm hearing when I'm on the hill.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He's not down with the woke laugh prolmas. No, he
thinks for himself, and I respect the.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Guy really and it's kind of like this great little
antithesis that we're watching in live time.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So I'm looking forward to it. Popcorn ready, right, So
the votes have come in. We did get one for
the son of Pierre Trudeau or is it Castro, I
don't know, but the votes I think overwhelming, one in
favor of one candidate. She lost her job with Vox
this week. This is after losing her job the Washington Post.
(32:18):
Will she ever be employed again? That's the question? Taylor
Lorenz our Friday Fool of the Week.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I
think that's why I felt, along with so many other
Americans joy unfortunately, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Because it's seriously I mean, execution.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
Maybe not joy, but certainly not no, certainly not empathy
because again the footage, how.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband, is.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
A father's being young down in the middle of Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Why did that.
Speaker 10 (32:50):
Making joys the Americans that be murdered? So are tens
So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans
who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one
push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people,
and the many millions of Americans that have watched people
that I care about suffer and in some cases die
(33:12):
because of lack of health.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Congratulations, Taylor Lorenz. You are are Friday Fool of the
Week now.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Kelly, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I called it. I told you I'm going to put
you on the spot right now because I'm not going
to be here next Friday. Jimmy Sangeberger is filling in
Thursday and Friday. But the first name that comes to
your mind if you had to pick a twenty twenty
four full of the year, who would it be? Oh gosh,
I'm hoping we come up with the same name, because
I got one in my head right now.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Say it?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You say yours first, go.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I would say Kamala Harris now.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh too easy.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Sunny Houstin, Oh well, she has been on the you know, nominations.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Pretty much, not this n Possibly, we'll see if Jimmy
might keep the tradition going. We'll see what Kelly comes
up with. I'll be with you until when State coming
up next. Heidi ganal In for Dan kaplis right here
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Yes, it's Christmas and that's not just a statement. That's
the name of the song. Back here on Ryan Schuling
Live and the sounds that you're hearing are from War,
that's right, the all time great group. And I'll talk
about this in a moment. They should be in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in my opinion, and
joining us now one of the founding members. He is
also the lead vocalist and keyboardist. Lonnie Jordan, a legend
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in his own right, and Jerry Goldstein. He has done
so much in the world of music, including helping conceive
of the band War. He remains their manager and producer
and one that helped shape this song that you just heard,
and they both joined me now. Lonnie, Jerry, thank you
so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Thank you, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I'm going to art with you and where this all began,
for War, for you, for Lonnie, and if you could
take us back to that point in time and what
was the magic that you saw.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, it's really they were a jam band from the
beginning and could play any kind of music. I mean
when I first met them, they were doing Latin jazz
phone you know, Bose R and b you know you
nade it, they could play it, and I really didn't
(01:28):
know what to do with you know, I was kind
of scratching my head, going I've.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Got to figure out what to do.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So we got on a rehearsal studio and they were
and I said, keep working on some stuff. Let me
know when you got something worth listening to. And while
this was going on, Eric Burden showed up in my
office one day. The last group of Animals had disbanded.
He was on his way back to Newcastle. He didn't
really want to do this anymore, and I said, you know,
(01:54):
I got a group that I don't know what to
do with, but you might really like to work with them,
because they were brilliant musicians and they play anything, you know,
and you know you can sing anything, so you know
this might work. And they were at the time batting
up this football player, Deacon Jones, who is you know,
world class, big time football player from the Rams, and
(02:18):
he was singing the Blues and doing one handed push
ups while he was doing it. And they were rehearsing
for a Las Vegas review that Deacon was going to headline.
And they were playing in a club called the rag
Doll in the valley and I told Eric, come on,
let's go out to the rag Doll and see this
group tonight.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And he did.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And Lee Oska, the eventual harmonica player in law, was
living with Eric, you know, staying at his house. So
then he came down and the group played this set
with Deacon Jones, and then they played a jam after
they started the jam, and we got up in jam
with him. And the next day I called Eric and
I asked him, well, what do you think of the band?
(02:57):
He says, we're rehearsing at four o'clock, and you know,
he then fired most of the horn players and just
kept Choles the sax player, and put Lee as the
harmonicas you know, making the horn section, which I thought
was kind of interesting but different. And four weeks later
we did our first gig, a Devonshour Downs Pop Festival,
(03:18):
starring Jimmy Hendricks and everybody, and we followed Creeden's clear Water,
who was the first Eric Burdon and War gig, and
after that it was just history, and.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's history that goes until this day present day, twenty
twenty four, you might recall, and I saw them in
the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade just this year and featuring
this song the voice you heard Jerry Goldstein, long time
record producer, such great songs that you'll remember, like My
Boyfriend's Back, hang On Sloopy, I Want Candy. And also
joining us Lonnie Jordan, the frontman for War and he
(03:49):
has been all these years. Lonnie, as Jerry just described,
you have this unique kind of combination. And I'll make
this comparison George Martin and the Beatles. He would bring
them together, he would have a vision for a song,
he would hear them playing and then put it all together.
How did this song come together in that same kind
of formulaic way for you and the band?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, different from the Beatles all though Jerry used to
call us the Black Beatles back in the early days.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
He did, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The difference with us and George Martin and the Beatles
is the fact that Jerry was a button pusher. If
he didn't push the button while we were jamming for
an hour or two or three, then everything was lost,
forgotten and never to be remembered again. And so that's
basically how we created on music. And then Jerry would
(04:45):
take those long versions of the tape sit down and
listen to it and do some edits and edit somewhere
in the middle and find something interesting, and then we
would come up with a theme the titled for UH
for that particular part. And the next thing, you know,
(05:06):
we start UH the vocals doing some vocal ideas and stuff,
and just the melody ideas, and just we just go
from there, just keep going, keep jamming. Even with those ideas,
we would just get on the mic and jamming. We
didn't write down much of anything. If we did, there
(05:26):
was a few scribbles here and there be thrown away.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Big were thrown away.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But we tried to remember most of what we wanted
to do because it all came from feel. You know,
we want to feel it for real, organically comes. If
we read too much of it, then you could pretty
much fill the mechanical uh, the technical feel instead.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of the real organic feel. And that's that's what we
did and we still do it to this very day.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Lonnie Jordan, the voice you're hearing is the lead vocalist,
the keyboardist, the front man for Ward has been all
these years. It's so difficult use that word feel, Lonnie.
I want to follow up on that to write a
Christmas song that really pops, that really stands out, and
this has that feel of Christmas with War's unique kind
of take on it. Where did this come from, this
(06:22):
idea for this song?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, well, originally it was Summer the song Summer called
His sum.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Which was a big hit.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Rock I think something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I can't remember it too long ago.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
It wasn't yesterday, I can't remember. But but other than that, uh, Jerry,
it was really Jerry's idea after being bugged by the
record label to come out with the Christmas song, and
we decided we did not want to put out Joy
to the World or Silent Night and and and try
to create an up temple beat or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So so we just said, why.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Don't we take one of our ancient history songs organically
and just take it and remix it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And put h Christmas.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, Jerry wrote the Christmas lyrics, and I redid the
vocal and and we put some little amenities on there,
like you know, some Christmas bells, cupcakes and cakes and.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Candy on there, and and uh and it was all
history after that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Here we are to the record company and they slipped
out and they said Okay, let's make a video.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So we made the video and here we are.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yes it's Christmas and.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
You could find it on Spotify, all the major platforms.
And yes it's Christmas. Is the title War. The group
and the two that we're talking to a dynamic duo.
Lonnie Jordan, who you just heard, the frontman for War
and Jerry Goldstein, the man that makes things happen behind
the scenes. And Jerry, I want to turn to you.
You have such a great picture of the history of
this band, but you really need to reboot it at
(08:26):
one point where Lonnie was the only remaining original member
and then you launch into what I would call War
two point zero and how it's been able to survive
and evolve over all these years. How did you get
through that with Lonnie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Are you sure you're not a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Your words may your words are scaring me.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, it's just not tell the story.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's all it involved. Evolved it It actually evolved itself,
and people came in and out, you know, and and Lonnie,
you know, was the constant that was there all the
time and origent people came in, he would, you know,
assimilate them into the band and they'd learned how to
(09:12):
do what they had to do, and you know, I
helped where I could, and it just evolved.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It keeaps evolving them well.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I kept.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
One of the main things is that any new member
that came in the band had to.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Pretty much not think.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Do not come in this band and start thinking. Do
not come in this band and start trying to be
so perfect and professional that you tune up so well
until you make everyone else look bad.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Do not do that stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Just come in play like as if you were just
learning how to play your instrument. And yeah, and let's
just jam. Look at the people because they don't care
if you tune up. They know nothing about tuning up.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
All they want to do is.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Saying the melodies, move, dance and just feel good.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And they are We are reflection of our fans. And
I always say our fans are our rock and roll
Hall of fans, and they put us here and they
can take us out. And I have high respects for
our fans. They are so important and that's what's kept
us here and kept the fire burning all this time
(10:31):
with our fans.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Dating back fifty five years to nineteen sixty nine, both
Lonnie Jordan and Jerry Goldstein joining us here on Ryan
Schuling Live. There'll be too rings throughout the early portion
of twenty twenty five. Hopefully at some point they might
come here to Denver, Colorado. We'll keep tabs on that.
But a question that I had for you, Lonnie, over
all these years, I feel that War is a rock
and roll Hall of Fame type band, and you have
(10:54):
songs that have lasted in the American consciousness for so
long schoo Kid, gypsy Man. The world is a ghetto
spill the Wine. But the two that stand out to
me along with Summer, which has evolved into this song, Yes,
it's Christmas Lowrider. Why can't we be friends? I mean,
these are iconic classics. Is there a particular song that
stands out to either one of you as the iconic
(11:17):
definitive song or a favorite of yours that you think
fans should know about?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
H Yeah, I would say, uh Man, baby Brother in
the Darkness, build the Wine? I mean, should I go on?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yes? Well, I can't remember half of them. Gypsy Man,
I don't think what.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To me?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Lowrit Lowrider is probably our signature song, you know, all
my ring Hell because of how many uses it's been
(13:11):
and you know, the teach and Sean came along and
asked us to put it as their feature song, and
Up and Smoke George Lopez asked to use it as
his theme song his sitcom which lasted six years on
network television, And you know the Beastie Boys and Slow
Ride and you know, it's been one of those songs
(13:31):
that you know, it's it's created an image for Lowriders.
I mean, we took the Lowrider pictures and images all over.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
The world because people bought the record.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
And was a hit everywhere, but they didn't even know
what a lowrider was, you know, other than how we
described them in the song. And so when we went
on the road, we had the you know, the film
with us, and we showed them a little that is
going up and down, oppingon on whatever they do, you know.
And to this day, like in Japan, there is a
(14:07):
low ride of culture and lower right of car club.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
But at the same time, that's we're talking about when
we talk about like songs that that I haven't that
I don't think that's made enough noise, uh.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That I'm still thinking about now, Lowriders sort of sell us.
Now let's talk about.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The women, and one of one of my favorite is
a lot of the.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Slower songs like all day.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Music you know that I did.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Is what we like all the.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And another one is uh, since you been gone Baby,
It's cold shot.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Mine. That one songs that you don't hear much, you know,
because there was an album cut or deliver the word
so ma.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
You live the world, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So that's for the women's side of us, you.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Know, Don't I Forget, Don't let No One Get You?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, and don't let No One Get Cute? Yeah, songs
like that. Those are songs that a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Of people put in their foul cabinet in.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Their minds, that is, when things happened, someone is in prison,
or someone passed away. You know, these are songs that
I have to hear a lot from a lot of
people who say, well, that was my favorite song, or
that was my uncle's favorite song before he passed away.
You know, things like that, you know, and that that
(16:46):
like it doesn't put a load on me. It's just
it's very heartfelt, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
When I hear people tell me that.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
One of our songs was part of someone's life when
they were al eyes and now for their siblings or
their children, is now part of their life.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Annie final question, I know I got to let you
guys go really appreciate your time. You're a very young
seventy six years old. How much longer can you see
yourself doing this? And would entry into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame mean a lot to you?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Another seventy six years, Yeah, I will definitely, it means
it means a lot the rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
But what means more to me is my rock and
roll Hall of fans. They mean more to me.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Now, don't get me wrong. I will accept a trophy,
you know, for the Rock and Roll Hall of Saying,
but I am not in competition. I'm not one of
those kind of people. I'm not in the band to
compete with any other band. This band, along with all
other bands, re entertain the people, and that's what it's
(18:04):
all about, is entertaining the fans, not competing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's my personal opinion and the reason why they've lasted
fifty five years and are still going strong. That's war
The song, Yes It's Christmas, available now, Amazon, dot Com
or Spotify, all the major platforms you can find them
on streaming services. They're so glad to be joined by
Lonnie Jordan, the lead vocalist, keyboardist, original member of War,
founding member of the group, and Jerry Goldstein, the magic
(18:29):
behind the scenes he conceived of the group, longtime manager
and producer. Gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us
here on Ryan Shulding Live.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Thank you, Seang San.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, all of
the above. War, Yes, it's Christmas and the bar for
me as you look at the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame is who just got in twenty twenty four
cool in the gang? Love them a tribe called Quest
Big in the nineties, Mary J. Blige, Okay MC five,
Classic Share, Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Matthews Band. But you just
(19:03):
heard so many songs from War's catalog. You're like that
was War? Oh yeah, I mean this was a very
impactful band, especially in the seventies, and I think War
belongs in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame as
the great Anna fred.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Freda from Abba and our own there in the eighties
with that Billboard top one hundred hit, I know there's
something going on and there is something going on off
the coast of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Our FBI Christopher Ray stepping down January sixth, there were
at least two dozen, probably more FBI assets. I'm going
to call them now. These are sources you can kind
of twist and turn the definitions, as Christopher Ray tried
to do during his hearings, and we talked about that
(19:55):
this week. But if they're on the FBI payroll, if
they're on the FBI race, if they'd been compromised by
the FBI. And I made this comparison. Jesse Waters kind
of made a similar one last nine of Fox News.
But imagine you're watching The Sopranos and you see big
pussy Bompin Sero get flipped. He's having to wear a
wire and he's having to report back to an FBI
(20:17):
agent every so often because if he doesn't, he's going
to go to prison for slinging h for selling heroin.
So he's compromised to the FBI and therefore makes the
deal to be a rat. And so what we had
at the US Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one,
were at least twenty six government informants FBI rats who
(20:42):
embedded themselves with groups like the three Percenters and the
Proud Boys, et cetera, and their job as it pertained
to the FBI and what they were being brought on
the payroll for and what they were being promised, you know,
an absence from prison for where Okay, what are the
movements of this group, what are the plans? What's going
to go on? And the FBI apparently dropped the ball.
(21:06):
This also goes to the theory that this was a spontaneous act,
that there was mass stupidity on that day, which I
do believe that it was contagious, and that a riot
ensued because there was this kind of mob mentality, this
group of our all going into the capitol and Ray
Apps helped egg that on. Make no mistake, you've seen
(21:27):
the videos and there are people in prison who were
not caught on video doing anywhere remotely as much as
what that would portend to be, which is we got
to go into the capitol. He's caught on video saying
this several times. Ray Apps was never charged. Why not?
Ray Apps? His testimony, which seems like could be compelling
and pivotal, was not televised during the prime time made
(21:51):
for TV event that these bogus January sixth committee hearings
were transmitted to be We saw the life of Cassidy
Hutchinson relaying a second hand tail that turned out to
be demonstrably false by the Secret Service agents who were
in attendance that somehow Donald Trump from the rear of
(22:13):
the Beast, the big SUV, the bulletproof vehicle that he
was traveling in, Donald Trump took it upon himself to
reach across up toward the driver and the steering wheel
of these very buff, strong fit young Secret Service agents,
the one that was driving, and try to yank the
steering wheel out of his hand. This is the testimony
(22:34):
that Liz Cheney wanted televised to the American public. This
was all theater, It was all a production. It was false.
It was based on a false premise. Because once again,
if the FBI didn't know that there was going to
be a riot that day or they're going to storm
the Capitol that day, either they should have or it
was a spontaneous event. This was not a planned insurrection.
(22:55):
And I've made this point before, and I've seen others
make this point before, and I don't want it to
have I don't support what happened that day at all.
I don't support violence in any form. Our victory was
on November fifth, of the ballot box, and thank god
Donald Trump got it. But our victory comes from winning
hearts and minds with better ideas in the public arena,
(23:15):
in the political arena. However, if people on our side
pro two A gun advocates really were planning a mass
insurrection to take over the government, we would not have
been led by a guy in a buffalo hat with
a painted face who was yelling and just walking around.
(23:38):
There was not a single gun or armed person in
the Capitol who wasn't a DC officer. By the way,
one killed Ashley Babbitt. There's so many holes in the
in flaws in the logic of the premise that this
was an insurrection. If it was, it was the stupidest,
worst insurrection, ill equipped, ill prepared, ever conceived. And maybe
(23:59):
you're going to go with that narrative, but it certainly
wasn't planned thought out, like we're going to be armed,
we're going to go, you know, flanking formation as we
stormed the Capitol and go get Mike Pence. All of that.
There was no plan and most of the people that
went into the Capitol were wandering around like idiots, you know,
putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. I mean,
(24:20):
these are the videos that we saw. It was relatively calm.
They should never have gone in there. I'll save it
a thousand times. But the police, the uniformed officers that
were there that day, were calmly escorting a lot of
these protesters around the Capitol and saying, well, you put
us through a major inconvenience here, but just don't tear
anything up, you know, keep it quiet, keep it calm.
(24:40):
I mean, this is not an insurrection. And then the
most asinine, idiotic, stupidest comment I've ever seen, and there's
a lot of competition, I understand, but was when that
dim wit Kamala Harris, thank god she lost, stood in
front of the American people and addressed us and said
certain dates stand out in history, and she said December seventh,
nineteen four forty one, September eleventh, two thousand and one,
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and January sixth, twenty twenty one. I mean, that's an
insult to the people that died at Pearl Harbor, to
our service member's navy that died at Pearl Harbor. To
the almost three thousand American civilians and first responders who
died on nine to eleven, there was one civilian death
(25:24):
in the capital, Ashley Babbitt. There were a couple others
that were heart attacks. There was a suicide a believer
too later by uniform personnel on site. And Brian Sicknick
was not hitting the head with the fire extinguisher. That
was a falsehood. That was a myth. That didn't happen.
That was a lie, and Anderson Cooper and so many
others reported that as fact. It didn't happen. Brian Sicknick
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suffered a stroke and then later died as an after
effect of that stroke. It's not to say that what
happened on that day had any credence or that I
supported in any way. I don't. But when you mythologize it,
when you fictionalize it, when you exaggerate it than any
kind of meaning or standing that you had, and making
the argument against it falls apart on its face. And
(26:09):
now with Christopher Ray bowing out like the coward he
is refusing to testify on the record and tell the
people of America that yes, we had FBI assets on
the ground that day. We didn't have contact or communication
with them, We didn't have coordination. It was not orchestrated
by US. I would believe all of that, But he
lied by omission by saying and he would reframe the question.
(26:30):
We talked about that this week as well by saying,
if you're asking XYZ, then the answer is no. No,
don't re ask the question to yourself. Answer the question
that we asked. Were their sources that were there on site,
on foot, who attended that rally turned into a riot,
(26:50):
who were on the government dime, the payroll of the FBI,
who were on the radar of the FBI and communication
with the FBI. That answer is yes. And Christopher Ray
would never confirm that on the record. He hid behind
it its ongoing investigation or I can't talk about it.
And he was just truly cowardly. And I'm glad that
he's gone. But one of the first actions that Donald
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Trump should take when he assumes office January twenty, twenty
twenty five is to pardon a vast majority of those
Jan sixers, not the ones who committed violent crimes, who
hurt people, who assaulted cops. That needs to be litigated
and adjudicated. But for those like the typical example the
(27:33):
Gramma walking around the Capitol and the only crime that
a person committed was trespassing on that day, get out
of here with that noise. Donald Trump makes this point too,
after everything they let go with Chaz and Chop and
Seattle and Portland in Minneapolis, and the George Floyd Summer
of Love riots where government buildings were burned to the ground,
where businesses were destroyed, where lives were lost, where people
(27:55):
were injured, and nothing happened because that cause was just
That's kind of the theme of today's We go back
to our number one on the Right Side of Hollywood
with Deborah Flora and Christian Toto is that the left
feels so morally justified in their position that they are
right and we are wrong, that they are good and
we are evil, that fighting against us means an existential
(28:16):
threat must be extinguished by any means necessary. If that
means murder, then so be it. I won't advocate for it,
they say, we won't celebrate it necessarily, but we understand it.
The guy had a point in Luigi Mangioni, and now
at least it has started a conversation. Sure, it's took
an assassination to start a conversation nationally about the problems
with healthcare. But the end justifies the means that is
(28:39):
the mindset of the absolute delusional, lunatic fringe left. And
more and more it's becoming emblematic of the entire Democratic
Party until or and less some people like John Fetterman
or Bill Maher, people that are agents of the Democratic
Party and want it to win, maybe a Van Jones,
people who speak sense. They're going to have to root
out these elements of their party are they're going to
(29:01):
continue to lose, and by all means, I welcome that
a time out. Kelly coucherraz back classes back in session.
We have one more edition of Based Fetterman when we
come back. In our Friday Fool of the Week, once again,
the nominees the governor of the fifty first state of Canada,
Justin Trudeau, Jake Tapper of CNN, and Taylor Lorenz, who's
currently unemployed because of what she said this week. Vox
(29:23):
Let her Go. Ryan Shulding Live concludes on this Friday
after this and now Everybody's favorite Democratic Congress with another
edition of Based Fetterman.
Speaker 8 (29:41):
All I am saying is the Democrats or other people
can freak out over anyone that was nominated, and I
am not that guy, and I'm open to have a
conversation for whoever.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I don't know why it's.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
Controversial to have a dialogue with the people that are
on a part of the next administration. Those individuals can
you know vent Her Rant on Twitter. But I'm here
to have conversations and I think I'm just doing my job.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I love this guy. I mean, something happened after his
stroke and when he came to Frankenstein style, he makes
a lot of sense. He's very based, and that's your
addition of based Fetterman. Kelly Kuchira back in the chair.
Do you think the Democrats are going to try to
primary him when he comes up for election?
Speaker 9 (30:27):
You know, that's a really good question. But I think
you can just look at Pennsylvania. It's very much leaning
red and he is conforming to that. So if they
were to try that, I think it would be a
waste of money at this point, and I think Fetterman
is doing all the right moves at all the right times.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
They don't get along with each other, from what I've
heard reported, but Josh Shapiro and John Fetnerman are both
very electable Democrats in a state like Pennsylvania, purple state. Yes,
and again, I think he's eminently likable. You know me,
twenty years ago, I would have loved John Fetterman, and
I might have voted for him. I can't because he's
a Democrat, and I can't allow that to happen for
them to have power. But if you have to deal
(31:05):
with a Democrat, I'd rather be John Fetterman.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Well, initially when he came on the scene with his
hoodies shorts, you know, I literally I was like, Okay,
this guy's a little I'm not sure what we're dealing
with here. But of course, after the stroke and after
the therapy that he went through and things like that,
I think he finally woke up and started talking to
(31:28):
his constituents and realizing, Okay, when I'm on Capitol Hill,
it's a whole different environment. When I'm at home, I'm
hearing completely different things that do not are not the
same things that I'm hearing when I'm on the hill.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He's not down with the woke laugh prolmas. No, he
thinks for himself, and I respect the.
Speaker 9 (31:52):
Guy really and it's kind of like this great little
antithesis that we're watching in live time.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So I'm looking forward to it. Popcorn ready, right, So
the votes have come in. We did get one for
the son of Pierre Trudeau or is it Castro, I
don't know, but the votes I think overwhelming, one in
favor of one candidate. She lost her job with Vox
this week. This is after losing her job the Washington Post.
(32:18):
Will she ever be employed again? That's the question? Taylor
Lorenz our Friday Fool of the Week.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
I do believe in the sanctity of life, and I
think that's why I felt, along with so many other
Americans joy unfortunately, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Because it's seriously I mean, execution.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
Maybe not joy, but certainly not no, certainly not empathy
because again the footage, how.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband, is.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
A father's being young down in the middle of Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Why did that.
Speaker 10 (32:50):
Making joys the Americans that be murdered? So are tens
So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans
who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one
push policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people,
and the many millions of Americans that have watched people
that I care about suffer and in some cases die
(33:12):
because of lack of health.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Congratulations, Taylor Lorenz. You are are Friday Fool of the
Week now.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Kelly, I knew it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I called it. I told you I'm going to put
you on the spot right now because I'm not going
to be here next Friday. Jimmy Sangeberger is filling in
Thursday and Friday. But the first name that comes to
your mind if you had to pick a twenty twenty
four full of the year, who would it be? Oh gosh,
I'm hoping we come up with the same name, because
I got one in my head right now.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Say it?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You say yours first, go.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I would say Kamala Harris now.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh too easy.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Sunny Houstin, Oh well, she has been on the you know, nominations.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Pretty much, not this n Possibly, we'll see if Jimmy
might keep the tradition going. We'll see what Kelly comes
up with. I'll be with you until when State coming
up next. Heidi ganal In for Dan kaplis right here
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