Ep 16- GOP Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy

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Episode Transcript

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Okay, so this is a newone for us. Jack, we can
say now here on the Saving Libertypodcast we've had a presidential candidate, and
I would like to welcome the VekRamaswami to Saving Liberty and the Vek thank
you so much for coming on.It is a pleasure to talk to you.

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Good to be on. Guys.How are you excellence? I don't
know about you, but I'm doingall right, Jack Windsor, I'm super
fantastic. But I'm here to tellyou my net favorability has not climbed twenty
four points in a month. Congratulations, sir, Thank you. I appreciate
that. I appreciate it. We'rejust getting started and I'm to tell you

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we're not even tracking the political statstoo much. Our whole strategy here is
speak truth, do it without apology. I'd rather lose the election than to
modify what I say. But ourhope is that's the winning strategy, and
we'll find out in the next yearwhether that's true or not. Well,
you're a breath of fresh air.And Jack and I've talked about this before,

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both on afternoon radio show and thenalso in the podcast, that you're
changing the conversation, and you're you'remaking us, You're making people think and
have conversations that normally, you know, maybe on the conservative side of things,
we haven't always pushed for. AndI think it's healthy. I think

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it's great. I think it isit helps, uh, you know,
filter out what's noise and what thetruth is. I just you know,
you can't go wrong being honest,can you. I think you can't go
wrong, That's right. You canlose elections or you can, you know,
maybe lose some customers or whatever.But if you're speaking true and you're
true to who you are, that'swhat matters. And so I'd rather not

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be a hollowed out husk of myselfsitting in some white house because we got
there by playing and political snakes andladders. I'm not even sure that works
by the way to win elections.But I think the truth is. I
think something we've lost in our culture, the value for truth. There are
things that are true, there arethings that are not, and we should
not apologize for that. And Ithink that speaking that truth is the first

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step we can take to reviving itin our culture. We now know that
the FBI was cozy with Twitter,during the twenty twenty presidential election. I
called one of my sources on CapitolHill today and I said, hey,
can you give me an update onthe FBI whistleblower? And I kid you
not. His first response was whichone? Well, oh, yeah,
there's one that says the Federal PolicingAgency knew about Hunter Biden's international business dealings

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and really sat on the intelligence.Tomorrow morning, House Judiciary Committee that's chaired
by Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan will hearfrom other agents who claim they've suffered retaliatory
actions from the agency for calling intoquestion. It's politicization. Politicization. I
can't pronounce that word, veg.But you know where I'm going with that.
First, do you believe it's alwaysbeen this corrupt? And second,

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tell our listeners what you're plan isto deal with the FBI when you're president.
So so, I think this institutionhas been corrupt for decades. I
mean, this is not a partisanissue, dates back to the nineteen sixties.
They tried to actually pressure Martin LutherKing and blackmail him into committing suicide,
denied him a concealed carry permit whenhe should have been granted one and

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so this isn't a left versus rightissue. It's about the bureaucratic managerial class
running the show. So what I'vesaid is, when you have a bureaucratic
rock that runs that deep, youcannot reform it top down. That would
just be a rhetoric. You haveto shut it down. And that's what
I'm gonna do with the FBI ifI'm elected president, will shut it down.

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That's not nearly as impractical as itsound. It's actually quite ground and
pragmatism. At the local level,you have local police that's the law enforcement,
and you have a local prosecutor.At the federal level, you have
US marshals that's the law enforcement,and you have the dj which has its
own problems, but that's another story. You don't need this intermediary FBI investigative

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units sitting in between. Yet whenyou do, that is a cesspool,
a lab for corruption. So you'regetting what you asked for by creating this
extra bureaucratic apparatus. And by theway, you talk about drug investigations,
the DA doesn't totally separately from theFBI anyway, So a lot of this
is purposefully designed to be a redundant. Redundancy is a formula for corruption when

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it comes to the bureau managerial state. And so when I say I'll shut
it down, I really mean it. I think we'll shut it down.
We will actually probably be more effectivein actually carrying out the law enforcement function,
save money doing it. But themost important reason why is we root
out the corruption and make sure thepeople we elect to run the government are
the ones who actually run the government, not this administrative police state that we

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have today. You know, oneof the things that got attention in the
last few weeks, and again thisis what I mean about changing the conversation
what you're doing, VEK because yourproposal to actually raise the voting aid from
eighteen to twenty five. Now Ithink some people go, is he being
serious, Like, you know,I don't understand I can serve my country

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at eighteen, but I can't vote. Explain a little more in detail of
why you said what you did,just so people have a better understanding of
the framework where you're coming from.Yeah. Absolutely, And to be clear,
under my proposal is very clear.Even though I heard those other objections,
I would actually christ if you doserve the country, that's absolutely they

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passed to vote at the age ofeighteen. So what I said is I
would support a constitutional amendment to raisethe voting age from eighteen to twenty five,
but still say you can vote atthe age of eighteen if you either
serve the country for six months militaryor first respond or role including police or
otherwise, or else. Even ifyou don't want to do that, you
can still vote if you pass thesame Civics test required of every immigrant before

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they become a naturalized citizen. Idon't think that's too much to ask to
say that if you're going to votein this country, that you know something
about the country and the constitution.By the way, the same thing that
an immigrant has to know before theycan become a naturalized it as into vote
either or else serve the country insome capacity. And the problem I'm trying
to get out here is we havea loss of civic pride in this country.

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Young Americans uniformly say they're not proudto be Americans. A few hure
and fifteen percent of gen Z saysthey are twenty five percent recruitment deficit in
the military last year. In fact, there's a survey that came out earlier
this week that said a majority ofyoung Americans would sooner give up their voting
rights than give up access to TikTokor social media. Think about that.
We're in the middle of a nationalidentity crisis, a civic pride crisis.

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We're not going to solve that automatically. We're going to have to think ambitiously.
And I'll remind people that we onlylowered the voting age to eighteen in
nineteen seventy one in the context ofthe military draft. So this is not
an unfamiliar notion to tie civic privilegesto civic duties. It's the shame is
really that we live in a momentwhere that seems so foreign. That's almost

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the indictment of our civic culture itself. When I first wrote as editor of
the Ohio Press Network about your runfor the White House, the first objection
one of our readers raised in anote back to me was that your name
was listed on the World Economic Forumwebsite as one of its quote young global
leaders. Earlier this month, Ilearned that you sued w EF where is
that case of ake and in formerlisteners who may be concerned with any entanglements

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that you might have with the radicalMarxists and socialists. Just how untrue that
is. Well, look, I'vebeen that probably, I would say,
among you, if not the numberone crusader over the last three years.
Again, the toxic agenda of theWorld Economic Forum starting actual businesses like Strive
in Ohio to compete against the likesof black Rock Writing, Woking, Writing,

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Capital Punishment, the books that actuallylifted the veil on the ESG scam
emanating from the mountaintops of Davos.And I could think of no better way
for them to take the legs outof use than to do exactly what they
did, which was without my consent, without my permission, naming me as
a recipient of an award that Inever asked for, in fact rejected,
and still leaving my name on thewebsite. That was wrong. They did

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it despite wasn't an innocent mistake becauseI asked them and particularly notified them,
never accepted this award, denied it. I don't want to be any affiliation
with them, never been to theWorld Economic Forum, never will go.
Yet they didn't do anything, soI decided to take action. I sued
him, and I fully demand andthe thing that I'm going to expect and

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hold their feet to the fire onand I expect to get it is not
only an apology in a public acknowledgement, etc. But a commitment that they
will never do this to somebody elseagain in the future. Because apparently the
same thing has happened to Elon Musk, who reportedly said that he also had
the same situation. Doesn't surprise mewhere they named him without consent. Even
Glenn Beck, who I talked toanother crusader or against the World Economic Forum,

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had been named by them on theirwebsite. So I think that this
has become a practice. But Idecided not to just complain about it.
I want to do something about it. Were suing them, and I think
that we're going to get some goodaction out of it, the VIC,
and we'll get you out of here. On this last final question. And
you know, you know, asthe left as likes to say, you're
you're a person of color in America, the VIC, and you have a

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unique perspective on the world, whichyou do we all. I think actually
there's eight billion different unique views ofthe world at any given moment on this
planet. And I just talk abouthow cancerous cancerous. Identity politics is for
our society, for our nation,and for our future moving forward. It's

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not possible. We cannot keep livingday to day and identity politics it's rotting
us from within. We are morethan the genetics we inherit on the day
we're born. That is what makesus different than animals. We are not
beasts. We have beliefs, wehave ideals, and I'll think I grew
up into a generation where we weretaught to celebrate our diverse city and our

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differences so much that we forgot allof the ways we're really just the same
as Americans, bound by a commonset of ideals that brought us together two
hundred and fifty years ago. I'mrunning for president to revive those ideals.
E pluribus unum we say, fora reason it means from many one.
We live in a moment right nowwhere we play it in reverse, from

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one many. I'm running to restorethe actual vision at our founding, to
say that you know what we're boundby more. We're not just so much
a two legged higher mammal with amuch different shades of melanine walking around the
geographic playing we call a country andcelebrating our diversity, doing our iPhones told
us to do on a given day. Forget that we're a country bound on
a set of ideals. That ishow we dilute the woke agenda to irrelevance.

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And it is why I reject thisgenetic identitarian vision of the modern left.
And you mark my words. Wewill win, but it is going
to take every person in this countrylooking in the mirror and asking themselves what
is it to mean to me tobe a citizen of this nation. Once
we're answering that question, our bestdays are still out of us. Amen.
That and getting back to a meritocracy, you know, getting back to

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where what you put in instead ofequitable, you actually get what you get
out what you put in. Imissed that old fashioned common sense. So
Vivek Ramaswami, thank you so muchfor coming on saving liberty. I know
you've got to run, but goodluck in the race, and hopefully we
can talk to you again down theroad. I'm looking forward to that.

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Guys, Thank you very much,Thank thank you. And this is what
I mean, Jack, he changesthe conversation. That is the smartest man
I have ever heard run from president. I mean that even more so than
President Trump. President Trump's brilliant andsmart and genius in his own unique way,
but ve he he is talking aboutthings on a such a deeper,

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philosophical and conservative level of thinking thatwe're not used to coming from our side,
and it is so refreshing. Ilove to just shut up and listen
to him talk. I'm captivated byhis words. I'm just being honest with
you. Growing up, I wasan athlete, and there are a few

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key moments I look back on mylife that I recall being in a locker
room hearing a coach give you amotivational talk and you go out and you
just take care of business. Iwas just sitting here at listening to Va
Ramaswami talk, knowing that what he'ssaying he believes. Sidebar here real quick.
He was valedictorian, nationally ranked tennisplayer. He's an accomplished pianist.

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He's an Ivy League graduate. He'sa founder of several businesses, most notably
roy Even Sciences, and, ashe mentioned, chairman of Strive Asset Management.
He's a best selling author. Hehas a projected net worth of about
a half a billion dollars and he'snot even forty years old. When you
hear him talk, you know thathe's coming from a place, in a

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space of authenticity. I felt likeI was in the locker room ready to
go out into the world and starttaking care of business, in living the
American dream again. And Josh Igot to admit, for the last three
or four years especially, I feellike we've all been walking around with a
wet blanket or thousands of pounds onour shoulders, and you just get you

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get, you get ground down,you get worn out. The VEC brings
in energy and a hope that Ihave not heard in a very very long
time that I think that's the energyand hope. His outlook is so positive,
doesn't look you can listen lazy intellectually, lazy people can find the dirt

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on anything. Vic is a guythat is constantly looking at all the shiny
parts of it and what is ourcountry, what is our foundation? What
is our you know? All ofthat it's for me. I just I
can't get enough of that. AndI'll tell you what I say. Ron

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if Ron de Santis declares, whichthey say next month, he's absolutely declaring,
or he's declaring probably over Memorial Dayweekend. I've even heard, so
you've got I want to hear thatconversation between a Vivegue and a Ron De
Santis and a President Trump and aNicky Haley. Want I want that Tim
Scott. I want him on thatdebate stage, and it's you know,

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can we just be honest. Let'sjust have an honest conversation here. That's
what we do. I don't knowwhy I'm asking it, that's what our
There are people within the Republican Party, and there are people within a conservative
movement who think that Vivic's Latin nameis will frighten traditional conservative, rural American
voters. And I think that narrative, while I understand it, I think

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it's also a little I think it'scondescending and a sumptuous and dismissive of people's
intellect or their or their nature.I mean, but that is like the
concern I've heard from insiders, politicalinsiders saying that his last name will scare
people both parties in particularly Republicans.And I'm really going to perturb a lot

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of people with this statement, buti have to make it because I'm in
the business of telling the truth.Republicans are really good at creating a boogeyman.
Now. I know that we havelisteners all across the country, but
for those of you who are inOhio, this is a reminder for those
of you who aren't. We heardsomething very similar when Governor Mike DeWine was

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running for the GOP primary prior tohis last election where he was re elected
governor. And what did we hear. Listen, you've got to vote for
this guy. You've got to votefor this guy because if he doesn't win,
then you know that bad Democrat isgoing to be in the governor charity,
right, And so we hear allof these things. To me,
it's the establishment making up a reasonto keep things the same. If you

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can't look at the playing field rightnow and understand what's going on with big
corporations, with the federal government,with our federal policing agencies, with education,
if you're not terrified that that's notonly at your doorstep, it's coming
across the threshold, it's in yourhead. It's gottam already, We've got

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to stop with this made up boogeyman. Well, they might be terrified,
Well let me just tell you something. You should be more terrified that if
we don't get this right, thisAmerican experiment is ov er. It's over.
No, it's it's over. Imean it's flat out done. Stick
a fork in it. And that'sthen we get we're going into mad Max
territory because it's going to be everyman, woman for himself and herself.

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I think that's I like where yourmind is on that, because I feel
I feel empowered right now. Umin terms of the what, I've never
seen more cohesive unity in a conservaton the conservative side than the fact that

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now all those areas you mentioned,what look at the chaos and the crime
from the defund the movement that toburn, loot, murder, crowd,
the BLM idiots, the Antifa moronsthat they that you know, the fiery
but mostful, mostly peaceful, mostsummer protest of twenty some injuries but mostly
even though the Sea reporters in frontof a burning building literally burning down,

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mostly peaceful. But you know,I feel right now we are cohesive,
We are focused. And then andthen the the the the demonic, a
sexualization of our children, gender confusion, have grown men wearing women's clothing,

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dressed like freaking clowns into my child'sschool to read a story. Hey wink
wink, we just want to readto your kids, ballooney, And that's
what I'm saying. And who cares. I don't think right now, we
as conservatives really do give a damnwhat your last name is or how much

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melatonin you have in your skin.We just want patriots to save the republic.
We are hanging on by a dearthreat, Jack, And you're totally
right when you said it's over,and so I think it's don't fall into
that line of narrative. I guessthat's what we're telling people, right,
don't fall into that old fashioned wayof thinking. That's exactly right. And

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look, I don't often point peopleto other sources of information, but there's
an article out there you just mentionededucation. Here's what people need to wake
up to. The title of thisit's a letter essentially written by a mother.
Is I thought I was a liberalmother then my daughter came out as
trans Everyone listening to this podcast needsto read that article. You're going to

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be floored. And I'm telling youwe've written about it. That's not just
happening in California. That's not justhappening in Nevada. That's not just happening
in New York City. There aretwo federal cases in the state of Ohio
against school districts for the type ofstuff that is going on. The war
has already been brought to us,and now we have a decision. Do

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we get on our knees and dowe beg for mercy or do we get
up and do we fight and dowhatever it takes to preserve liberty and freedom
so that not only us, butour kids and their children have a fighting
chance. As world, it isliterally our obligation as parents and their protectors

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to make sure that Eva Grace isthe world and the Roberts and Genesis and
Cressets of the world, to makesure that they are loved, they are
protected. And as fathers, especiallywith young with daughters, it is our
job to keep evil away from them. It is our job to defend their
beautiful honor. And when you jack, it's never been more apparent. Nothing

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has ever come into focus clear inmy entire forty one years on the planet
Earth, what my purpose here is. I was born to be a dad.
I was put here on this earthby God to be a father and
to fight for this, this republic. I love man our foundation. Dude.

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I'm telling you, I'm getting alittle you know, because I had
I had a medical scare recently,and I'm just so I'm so laser focused
on my purpose right now in life. And I will die on my feet
to protect and fight for that beforeI serve a day on my knees because

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I can't go to my grave.No one, I was a coward who
caved in and capitulated. Amen.And that's where we're at right now.
It is. And I always remindpeople I've had a chance toward the state
over the past several years and talkwith groups of people, and one of
the common questions I get is,you know, what do we do?
You know, how do we dealwith this? And I tell everybody you

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got to get honest with yourself.You got to you really have to figure
that out. Everything in your DNAis no accident. The fact that your
creator created you and put you onthis earth right now for this moment in
history. This is your time rightand you've got to do what you were
created to do within that time andat times now. And you know that's
why I am so I don't knowwhere Vivek Ramaswami is going to end up.

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I can tell you there's nothing conciliatoryabout him. He doesn't want a
consolation prize. If I have anotherquestion, I would have asked him,
I know, you think you canwin the GOP nomination. I mean he
went from zero too. I meanhe's up there with Nicky Haley and Vice
President Pence right now and everyone's saying, well, Donald Trump can win this.
Well he probably will, right,but I would ask him, how

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are you going to do it?And then how are you going to beat
Joe Biden. One of the thingsthat's really really impressive about Vivek. I
want to cover this very quickly,No do it. I heard him talk
about social security. That's one ofthe key issues that we're going to hear
more and more about because there area ton of independent voters who have parents
who are on the system, andthey're going to go, look, how
are you going to deal with myfolks, and how are you going to

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deal with me when it's my turnto collect what I've paid in? And
Vivek really does a great job ofsaying, look, if you're a Democrat,
you believe you should raise taxes.That's not very good economically, and
a lot of Republicans are talking aboutyou're going to cut benefits, and he
says, you know, we arein a time where our trust in this

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system is probably at an all timelow. It's probably not the best time
to take something from somebody that they'verightfully put into the system them. So
he says, look, we're growingat about a one point nine percent GDP,
or the GDP is growing at abouta one point nine percent clip.
Historically we've been closer to four.What I'm gonna do is I'm going to
make sure that we grow at five. At three percent, the debt problem

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goes away. At five percent,we don't have those problems. We have
prosperity again, and then we cango back retroactively and fix the bureaucracy.
It's that type of thinking from somebodywho is creative, somebody who is innovative,
somebody who is an entrepreneur. That'sthe type of conversation that we have
to have in the primary, thatwe have to have in the general election,

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because that's the type of solution thatwe need in twenty twenty four.
Insults are not going to get itdone. This time, and I'm just
and listen, I don't have toqualify this. Everyone knows I love President
Trump and I'm so grateful for whathe did, and I voted for him
twice. But he is now,he's been in there. No one has

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fought the left harder the last tenyears than President Trump. I'll give him
that. But you if you putve Ramaswamy and I'm not advocating for anything
here, I'm just I'm just like, I'm just We're just having a conversation.
We're exchanging ideas. If you can'thandle it, get you know,
don't. This isn't the you knowpodcast for you go go sit in an

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echo chamber and suck your thumb inyour safe space. You put Vek on
a debate stage, assuming you couldget it with Joe Biden. The election's
over that night, it's over.But there's too many people that just have
the seething hatred of Orange Man.Now, of course, I'm just telling

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you that you put that. Ifthat were to happen, there's nobody in
all honesty. Can you can webe honest? Who's gonna out debate?
Who's gonna out debate? Vank inthe Republican primary. Be honest, who
I'll tell you the person that Ithink. First of all, Donald Trump
is a phenomenal debater because he's relentless. Now that gets him in trouble.

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If you remember the first presidential debatelast election cycle, Whitney and I found
ourselves going, if he would justshut up and let Joe Biden hang himself
with his own words. But that'sTrump. He's relentless, So he's going
to perform well. He's going tohave the one liners right. And I
think Rohn de Santis is a phenomenalmind. But in terms of intellect,

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quick wit, I've been there.I've done it at less than forty years
old. I mean, the guyhas accomplished. I mean he's been an
accomplished person in every role that hehas played. I would love to here's
my biggest fear. Joe Biden hasalready said he's not gonna he's not gonna
debate in the primary. We've heardthat president may not debate in the primary.

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I don't like that. No.Eva Grace is in jiu jitsu.
When she goes to jiu jitsu practice, I encourage her to go against the
better athletes because iron sharpens iron.You know, you've got to get better,
and you get better by going againsttough competition. Same thing in the
primary. I want these folks onthe stage absolutely. I want them having

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those robust discussions. I want themto be challenged, and I want them
to figure out the party platform inthe solution together. There is nothing wrong
you cannot do not fall trapped toleft wing thinking. Left wing thinking is
like, well, I'm going toI'm just emotionally, tribalistically loyal to Donald
Trump and anybody who gets on thestage with him as is an enemy of

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mine. That's false, that's nottrue. We are the ones with the
ideas. They are authoritarian thugs forcinga sick, perverted, twisted agenda.
We are all about the free changeof ideas. We are all about being
able to agree to disagree. Doyou know I don't agree with you on

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everything, even you don't agree withnobody listening. If everybody agreed with everybody,
we wouldn't there would be no needfor any of this. Don't become
so loyalistic. Took one guy,whether it's I don't care if it's Trump,
the santis Vet, whoever, Let'shave an exchange of ideas because we
will become better for it, willbecome more focused for it, and then

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we'll be ready to take on theleft in the presidential election, which I
couldn't say it any better. Look, it's really simple to me. This
is why. And you hinted atit. You didn't hint at it.
You blatantly said it rather earlier inthis podcast when you said that identity politics
is toxic. It is toxic.Character assassinations are toxic. If you're let

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the liberals do what they want todo, let the Democrats and progressives do
what they want to do. Butif you're a Republican, debate the issue,
don't debate the person. Debate theissue, thank you, because the
issue is what needs solved. Atthe end of the day, Donald Trump's
not going to change, Randa Scanenceisn't going to change, but Bake Ramaswamy's
not going to change. And ifwe focus on those folks and not the
issue, guess what. The issueis not going to get solved and the

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problem is not going to change.So that's what we have to do,
and that's what the debate shi stageshould be all about. That's pretty much
a mic drop in my book,