Ep 17- The political deep dive with GOP strategist Bob Clegg

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Episode Transcript

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Well, Jack, tonight, we'vegot a friend, a mutual friend of
ours, and somebody who is veryfamiliar in the world of conservative politics here
in the state of Ohio. Heis Ohio GOP strategist Bob Clegg. And
Bob, thank you so much foryour first time on Saving Liberty with Jack
and I thank you. I'm surprisedit took you to me. I know,

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I felt bad. I we wereneglecting you, Bob, we were
neglecting you. That's okay, allright, Well, it's good to have
you with us. Bob, thanksfor carving out time for us. Well,
thank you, Jack. Absolutely.Hey. You know, I think
sometimes we go forward with assumptions andI think we're all on the same page.
But in many ways, I thinkit's also important, particularly where we

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are right now in history, tokind of define things that we might take
for granted. So in that vein, let me ask you what is because
the name of this podcast is SavingLiberty? What does what does liberty mean
to you? Liberty? Oh,my gosh, that is great question.
Jack. Um. Liberty is youknow, um, the ability to live

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your life the way you want tolive it. Um, it's it's you
know, um making decisions, uh, of what direction you want to go
into. Um, being able topray to God and worship God in any
way you want. UM, it'sum. You know, owning a gun,

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it's it's a lot of different things. But I mean, I think
the key to liberty is an individualbeing able to make decisions for themselves about
their life and how they want tolive it. I think we're definitely on
the same page. Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you for for
answering that. So in that veinreal quick, I want to and this

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is um. This is something that'sbecome very apparent on the left over the
last ten years. Is those thingswhat you just said right there, Being
able to live your life in away that you want, as long as
you're not violating anybody else you know, or inconvenience m or doing anything illegal
to live your life the way youwant. It feels like, Bob,

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every time you turn around, theleft wants to put a restriction on a
behavior or now they're trying to controlthoughts through censorship and social media. You
know, Oh you can't. Nope, Nope, you can't have a sixteen
ounce soda. We know what's bestfor you. You're not allowed to do
that, you know, but itjust seems constantly they're coming up with new

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ways to restrict people from being ableto live the lives they want. When
we don't want to control anybody,We just want to be left the hell
alone. Well, and it here'sthe difference between us as conservatives and they
as liberals. We want to controlour own lives, okay, our own

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individual lives, okay. They wantto control all lives. They want to
control the masses. I mean,you know, we call them socialists a
lot of times, and you knowwhat they are because they actually their mindset
is more appropriate to one hundred yearsago when you had Russia turned communists and

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when communism was on the rise,because you know, communism is based on,
you know, the masses. Youhave one centralized government that controls everything
in people's lives. And that's basicallywhat the liberals want to do. They
want to control, through government,everybody's life. Now, they do that

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because of their warped mind, whichis what they believe in they think is
right and we're all wrong. Sowhatever they have to do to enforce that
rightness on all of us, andthey think they rationalize it by saying they're
doing it for our own good.We're just too stupid to know what's good

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for us, So they're gonna They'regonna tell us and make it do it.
I love how you said that.I was sitting here thinking we tend
to love liberty, and I saywe. I mean this all human beings.
I genuinely believe this. When themasses are opposed to our worldview,

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we want we want the space andthe ability to live what we believe.
Right. But but certain groups,and you just describe to the group they
love tyranny when it's in their preference. It's when it's in their worldview,
which is the crazy thing. AndI think the thing that I struggle with
the most is we kind of livein this postmodern world. Like I believe

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there was a time not so longago that we thought families are good.
God exists, Capitalism works. Menare men, women are women. Now
they might a man might have asame sex attraction or be attracted to an
inanimate or other animate object, andthat's an outlier. But that doesn't change

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biology, right, There were justsome fundament America is a good place that
people come to in droves because ofour found our foundation those things seem to
be out the stink and window.And if you believe those things and you
want to exercise liberty within those confines, the progressives in the left say no,
no, no, no, no, They're totally willing to be tyrants.

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And the funny thing is, youknow, we talked recently, Bob
about how there are some things goingon in the state of Ohio, specifically
where there's a bill that would essentiallytell colleges you can't mandate diversity, inclusion
and equity. Now, all ofa sudden, these folks want liberty,
they want the ability to express themselves. And now where the three years ago

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exact player. So now all ofthat being said, here here's I'm going
to finally bring this around the barn. We talk about liberty in all of
those contacts. What race is moreimportant in twenty twenty four, the race
for the White House or the Ohiorun for US Senate. Oh I think
by far it's the It's the WhiteHouse. I mean, I think,

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I mean, what's been going onfor the last two and a half years
is just ridiculous. What's what's goingon in our country? And and it's
you know, there was a reasonwhy they put Joe Biden up for president
back in twenty twenty. The liberals, the leftists knew they would have somebody

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in office that they could control.I mean, they obviously saw themselves what
we all see, which is anold man who's on the decline both physically
and mentally, and they probably thought, oh my gosh, what how much
better than this get? You know, is they have somebody like that that
we can just you know, tellexactly what we want and he'll do it.

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He'll do whatever. And they gotit with Joe Biden. And I
mean, you know, he's notrunning this country. I mean, there
are a group of people that arearound him that are, but he's not
in any way, shape or form. You know, Bob, you're talking
about the White House, and itis You're right. I agree with you.
The White House is the most importantrun so I want to get it.

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Still think I still think the Senaterace, though, oh god no,
it's so important because God forbid,if no spherical Biden gets re elected,
if we can't get control of theSenate, that'll that'll stop him.
Yeah, that's that at least,you know, we can hang on till
the inevitable happens. And I'm nottrying to be more but I don't wish

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this on anyone, not even mypolitical enemies, because I'm not a filthy
communist. But you know, Imean that with You're right, Bob,
You're right that that the Senate.And by the way, what is it?
What are the five that we're wegot to keep an eye on.
It's Ohio, Arizona, Montana,Montana, West Virginia, West Virginia with

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Joe Mansion seat and um, Idon't know, I don't know if there's
a fifth one. But what's what'swhat I'm finding interesting is, um,
we did quite a few and Imean quite a few, as in like
two or three, but that's alot uh incumbent Democrat senators that are retiring.
And you know the way the USSenate, where should die in it?

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You don't retire, you know.And we just got another one this
week with Tom Carper out of Delahand Debbie Sabinau in UM in Michigan had
announced a while ago that she wasrefriending again. Um, I mean you
don't normally see these kind of ohand Ben Carton from Maryland also resign and

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the others are retiring. What's alsointeresting is if you look at the Delaware
in Maryland, I mean, thoseare going to be Democrats seat, So
why are these people wanting to takeoff? You know, what are they
seeing? When when you see retirementslike this, that usually a sign they
don't feel real good about what's comingup in the next election, and a

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lot of them don't want to haveto go back in the minority again.
Okay, so that's why they endup taking off. Well, you look
at I found that very interesting thatwe had another retirement this week. Yeah,
well, you look at what's happeningright now. I think it's they're
having a hard time accepting the factthey don't run all three branches in Washington,
which is why they're digging in onthis stupid, stupid ass debt ceiling

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debate. And quite frankly, Idon't think, Bob, I don't think
they expected that Kevin McCarthy was goingto do such a masterful job keeping the
party as a one whole. There'snot one defector, not one defector in
the House, Bob, that isremarkable. Yeah, and nobody thought he

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could do it. Democrats really understoldhim. I mean, they thought for
sure, you know that he couldwouldn't be able to get anything through the
House, and therefore their strategy wasgoing to be, well, just pass
something that doesn't have anything just thedebt ceiling you know, in it,
and that's it. But he screwedhim over, and now the Democrats are

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stuck because the vast majority of thelast fole. I just saw today that
sixty of Americans want to see adebt limit bill passed with spending time.
So, I mean, if thisthing doesn't happen, Joe Biden's gonna get
the blame for it. Oh.I noticed, in just the last week

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or two, Biden's numbers are gettingeven worse. I saw that. I
saw that his overall rubles down tothirty seven percent and one more real quick
tomorrow. As of the recording ofthis podcast, it is the night before
what will be Ron DeSantis's official kickoffcampaign. I want to ask you the

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fact that it's gonna be on Twitter. The fact that's going to be basically
on Twitter radio called Twitter Spaces,and Elon He's doing it with Elon must
doing the interviewing. This is avery non traditional This is almost like a
Trumpish kind of a maneuver to circumventthe mainstream media and the radical left.

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And I just want your thoughts onit, because I do think, yes,
President Trump is clearly the overwhelming leaderin the clubhouse right now, but
I do think once DeSantis formally startscampaigning, I expect it to tighten a
little bit. Yeah, well,you know, I think he was smart
to do that, but to dothat Twitter approach on this, because let

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me tell you something about the mediaand Ron de Santis. The media is
scared to death of Rond Sanis.And here's their thinking. They're thinking,
is, well, we're hoping forTrump. They want Trump because they really
think Trump is going to be oneof those guys that's gonna self implode and

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Biden will win again because he didthe last time, you will again.
They're worried that if something happens andthe Santis ends up being the nominee,
that he's going to be the contrastbetween Rond Stanis and Joe Biden will be
so great that it's going to causea big problem for the Democrats. So

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the media has been taking potshots atthe standards for the last six months.
I just saw this week where Politico, which is a leftist you know,
political reporting entity. They just dida hit piece on Ron De Santis's wife.
Yea, I read that. Itwas disgusting and they know also she's

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the best commercial I've seen in thelast ten years. Was an ad that
Casey de Santis did for Ron lastyear for his reelect. She's sitting cross
legged on a couch and she said, people always have to be who is
Ron? What is he like?And then she talks about how you know,

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she met him, they fell inlove. But then she goes into
when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. He was there. There were days
she couldn't get up. He pickedher up, he took care of the
kids, he did, you know, and you're crying at the end of
it. It was a sixty sixtysecond spot. You guys should should pull
up and watch it. I mean, they are so afraid of those two

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that they're gonna do. The mediais going to do whatever they have to
to try to bring him down.I mean, you haven't seen, Honest
to god, I haven't seen agood looking you know, first, you
know residential candidate and his wife sinceyou know John and Jackie back in that
scares the media because they know whenyou put those two up against Joe and
Joe Biden, it's like, ohmy god, there's their grandparents. So

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last week the Harvard Harris poll cameout, and I want to talk about
those numbers in a little bit,but I found it intriguing. The most
favorable political figures in the United Statesright now the top three Elon Musk at
forty seven, Ron or Donald Trumpat forty six, Ron De Santist at
forty five. So it's interesting thatyou're going to have forty seven and forty

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five. So Musk and De Santisright there together on that announcement, must
become a political figure, isn't thatinteresting? Businessman? Well, you know,
if if you have a political bonein your body, then all of
a sudden, you're a political figure. And if you you facts, you're

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a conspiracist. According to me,maybe because he believes in free speech and
he believes he believes in the FirstAmendment absolutely, and they hate that.
That's why they turned him into politicaleven though he's never asked to be political.
Well, and guys, we've talkedabout this that the liberals don't want
free speech, they want controlled speech. That's why they're so against Senate Bill

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eighty three because it actually wants topromote freedom of speech, and they are
scared of it because speech they knowthey don't have a majority of this country
with what they believe and what theywant to do, and they're afraid that
people. The more speech there is, the more people figure it out in
the harder time they're gonna have.For our listeners who maybe are outside of

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Ohio, just a real quick recapon that Senate Bill eighty three that Bob
just mentioned. It's sponsored by StateSenator Jerry Sereno, and what it would
do. In essence, it doesa lot, but the crux of it
is it would make sure that universitiesand colleges sever their relationships with communist China.
It would require that they don't mandatediversity, inclusion and equity programming.

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It would also require that they teachcertain types well, I guess the founding
documents, key literature from Martin LutherKing junior, so that they have at
least some semblance of understanding of ourhistory. It also provides some accountability for
tenured professors and so on and soforth. Let me ask you this,

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Bob, I'm going to throw acouple of statistics at you, and you're
the strategist, so I want youto play strategists for us and our listeners.
All right, So right now,Trump wins a hypothetical general election horse
race against Biden by seven points.Sixty two percent of Americans believe the economy
is on the wrong track. Halfof respondents say their financial situation is worsening,

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and only twenty one percent say wewill avoid recession. There's a bunch
of there's a bunch of data foryou as a strategist, if you're advising
somebody, what do you think Americansare saying? And what do you think
we're going to see from the leftand the right as a as a result
of those, uh those data points? Okay, Well, I think for

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our side, the right side,I think it's all about that that basic
question that you need to ask everytime an incumbent president is running. Are
you better off now than you workfour years ago? Nope? And that
should be, in my mind,the crux of our whole campaign. We
should never vary from that point ever, ever, So we should go back

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to Clinton. It's the economy,stupid, right, James Carville, Okay,
yeah, yeah, And I mean, things that are not going to
get any better. In fact,they're gonna get worse. We're gonna we're
gonna I mean, Biden's going tohave the worst timing. I mean,
he's gonna be running for reelection whilewe're in the middle middle of a recession.
Now the now, those guys theother side, they're gonna make it

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all about Donald Trump, and they'regonna make it all about we can't elect
somebody this crazy as president. Lookwhat he did the first time, which
will be their big mistake because peopleare gonna think back and think, wait
a second, Things weren't all thatbad back then. You know, we
had a great economy and things werebooming, and we didn't have any wars

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going on anywhere in the world.I mean, that's gonna be their problem.
So it was, it was amuch easier campaign to run against Trump
back in twenty sixteen when there wasno records there. Then it will be
this time where there will be arecord, and it's good record compared to
Joe Biden. All Right, Bob, let's dial in on the state of

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Ohio and some things that are goingon here. Explain exactly what is going
on with this special election in Augustand the issue of changing the parameters for
the constitution of the state of Ohiofrom fifty percent plus one to sixty percent

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plus one. Now, I youand I know why they're doing this.
They're trying to get out ahead ofthe abortion issue and the and recreational marijuana.
And I just for those people whodon't understand it, explain it to
them, like they're you know five, what this really does. Because I

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think people are aware of it.I just don't know how. I don't
think they truly understand what it's allabout, what the Hulla blue is.
But this is a big deal,man, Yeah, it is, um
it it really. I mean,unfortunately, and I've talked to you guys
about this before. I actually likedthis concept in in previous years. I

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just don't like that it's being usednow because it's gotten so tied up in
that abortion issue that it's really notabout sixty us one anymore or that change.
It's about, well, do wewant abortion or not in Ohio.
I mean, I think that thepremise of sixty plus one, which a

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number of states do, and Ithink Florida maybe one of them that does
that, it's to prevent certain specialinterest groups from coming in and proposing amendments
like we had with the casino peopleback in twenty eleven, in the marijuana
people in twenty fifteen, where youhave individuals coming in and basically putting in

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the constitution how they want to dosomething in our state. Like the casino
guys dictated how much money the statewould get out of the casino proceeds.
They dictated the actual locations of allthe casinos in the state. The marijuana
guys set up a small monopoly onlyI think fifteen individuals or entities we're going

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to be able to grow marijuana inthe state. So, I mean,
you know, to stop that kindof thing from happening at sixty plus one
makes perfect sense. However, it'sbad timing. They should have never have
done it because it's it's the wholepoint of doing it is lost in this

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whole mass of abortion stuff going on. So what it would do is make
it harder to um put in consciousamendments. But you know it's even for
our side though, who would makeit harder. So we you know,
we had some great ideas of whatwe want to do in this state.
It's going to make it harder forus to pass it because we're in a

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need sixty plus one, and inthis day and age of polarized politics,
it's going to be really tough toget sixty on any issue. Yeah,
and I'm kind of noodling that,right. So part of the purpose of
the legislature is to pass laws,and so you can do that. I

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mean, unless it's a suspending billor a resolution, you can do that
with a simple majority. In sixtypercent does take some broad consensus, and
I agree with you. I thinkwe are so dug in politically that it's
going to be hard to get sixtypercent. But let me ask the question
this way, And I want toadd some context to this whole proposed constitutional

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amendment, because there are two.One is this sixty percent special election that
would require sixty percent approval to amendthe Constitution, and that's really trying to
cut off at the past. Thisother amendment, which really is not only
abortion on demand, but it's abortionwithout parental consent, and it's transitioning kids

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socially and otherwise without parental consent.So there's a point where I get in
my mind and I go and thiscould be wrong I'm not even saying this
is my worldview. I'm just thinkingout loud here. You know, laws
are made for man, not manfor laws. And at some point does
it does it make sense to Idon't know, Katie, bar the doors
and put up your best defense tomake sure that abortion on demand and parental

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rights don't go out the window.Is it good from that manage point?
Well, I mean yeah, Imean it could be good for that.
But you know what I'm afraid of, Jack, is that we're going to
end up legislating by a constitutional amendment, because what's going to happen. Let's
say when we have the special electionin August that the fifty plus one or

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the change from fifty plus one tosixty plus one goes down. Okay,
so we then have the November electionwhere their abortion thing is on the ballot,
and I, like you, Ithink it's ridiculous. It's something the
vast majority of Ohioans doesn't want.But I'm afraid the way that it's going
to be portrayed, it's going tobe, well, we either have abortion

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in Ohio or we don't. Andlook at it if we owned all these
poor women and how they're going tosuffer and bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
So I'm afraid that that's gonna needit passes. But that means we on
our side can get the legislature tothen go in in March, where we
know we're gonna have a good Republicanturnout in the primary, and put another

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amendment on dealing with abortion with twelveor fifteen weeks you know, thing in
it, with express kernal consent,and then maybe we can get that pass
and it'll repeal whatever they did inNovember. But to see what I'm getting
at here, you know, andthen they're going to come back with another
proposal, you know, maybe inNovember of next year, because they know

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that's going to be a better electorateforum where they try to reverse what we
did in March. You know.I'm just worried that we're just going to
cause this, that we're going togo after each other via constitutional amendment on
everything. Now. I feel ifwe do end up like that, I
like our side of that because ourside has a much easier way of getting

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things on the ballot than they do. I mean, our side just got
to get the legislature, which isoverwhelming Republican, to put it on the
ballot. They have to spend millionsof dollars to get signatures and all that.
So I mean, I mean they'rekind of stupid to want to engage
in this because they're not going tobe able to keep up with us.

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And you did something there, andI just you know, for the sake
of understanding, right, we wantto we want to save liberty. We
also want to help educate our listeners. And you said something there that I
often forget about. You know,this deals with this sixty percent threshold,
deals with citizen initiated amendments. Butwhat you just said is another avenue,

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and that is the legislature has theopportunity to initiate an amendment. Oh yeah,
and the legislatures just got to getyou know, sixty votes in the
House and what twenty two or twentythree votes in the Senate ballot. They
have to route and get four hundredand four thousand or whatever signatures, and
that costs a lot of money toget it done. So I mean,

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it's like coming to the fight withyour hands tied behind your back. But
they haven't figured that out because they'retoo stupid to figure that out. Hey,
Bob one other thing, and wecan kind of wind it down here,
But what did you think, becauseI think this was a hand tip
to something larger that's coming. Butyou know, Mark Blazer and I we

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talked to JD Vance yesterday his endorsementof Bernie Marino. This m it kind
of feels like to me that withJD endorsing him, it's only a matter
of time before a Trump endorsement willbe coming down. I say that because
I think it was understood. Trumpwas like, hey, Bernie, you're

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a great man. I'm gonna backyou, but just hold off till twenty
four. We need someone to bebrown. And JD like almost like he
was the kingmaker. Like Trump wasdecided, Okay, I'm gonna make JD
a senator in Ohio. Then I'mgonna make Bernie a senator in Ohio.
And I just feel like that wasa little bit of a tip of the
hand, if you will, thefact that I think it's pretty obvious now

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that I would be Florida if DonaldTrump didn't endorse Bernie Marino. Josh,
you follow politics way too closely.I do, I do, but no,
you're absolutely right. I mean,Bernie played the good Soldier last year
dropped out when he should have droppedout, and you know that helped JD

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obviously, so I was not surprisingat the least that JD came out and
endorsed Bernie. I'm a little surprisedon the timing, but I think that
maybe because they see two other peoplethat are thinking of jumping in, and
they're probably trying to maybe stop thosetwo from jumping in, So that ends

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up being just a head to headbetween Matt Dolan and Bernie. And you're
right, I think Trump comes in. I don't know when, but if
I had to guess, I wouldguess January February, right. Waited pretty
He waited pretty late on endorsing jD. And I think Trump knows that

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the later he waits, the closerit is to the election, the more
influence he has with that endorsement.So that's why I think he'll hold off
until later. You know, Ithink the two other people you're talking about
would be Warren Davidson of the eighthCongressional District in western Ohio and also second

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frank Le Rose Gosh. I justI had a complete brain melt there.
Sorry, but I know for afact I know for a fact, because
I've heard it from more than onebirdie that frank Le Rose really would like
to be in the Senate, likereally like it. No, But it's
all a matter of timing, Iknow, And I just don't think it's
going to work out for him.And what do you think, what's your

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gut telling you is is Secretary ofState LeRose going to try to do this?
Well, He's waited an awfully longtime to jump in, and that's
gonna be a problem. Obviously,in politics, you need money, okay,
And Matt Dolan's got family money,Bernie Marino's got his own money,

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which is pretty substantial from what Iunderstand, But he also will now have
I think the Trump money pipeline,both in state and out of state,
which will give him a lot ofmoney. And Warren Davidson's got Club for
Growth who disliked President Trump, sothey're willing to spend millions to help him.

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Frank L. Rose is the oddman out in that he doesn't really
have any natural funding stores. Hejust is going to have to rely on
people here in Ohio and around thecountry that you know wants to give him
money. And I think that's gonnabe a really tough, tough road.
Hope it'll be interesting. I havea little bit of a contrarian view in

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that I think Donald Trump won't endorse. I think he'll say nice things.
And I think Warren Davidson will getinto the race and he'll have the Club
for Growth money, which you talkedabout. And then I think it's going
to be a spending bloodbath again,which by the way, I think could
favor Shared Brown. But let's rollout of that. I know we're kind
of winding down on time, andJosh, as you know, we're coming

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up on Memorial Day weekend. Wecelebrate that the last Monday in May,
and it used to be called DecorationDay because people go out to you know,
places, memorials, cemeteries and theydecorate and we honor the people who
have died in military service. Soquestion for you, Bob, do you
do anything special for Memorial Day?Um? No, just I mean just

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put out the flag, um,hit the pharase um and just remember those
who gave the ultimate sacrifice for acountry. I don't think we think about
that enough and but I do.I do. Jack. I'm gonna end
on a on a upbeat note,I hope, and that you know,

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I can remember back the way itwas back in the seventies and even in
the eighties, where you know,you still have that holdover from Vietnam,
and you know, the military wasnot held in very high regard. And
you know, I'm happy to saythat's not like that anymore. I think
veterans military, you know, currentmilitary personnel, they are are really held

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in a much higher regard than theyhave been in the past. And it's
about time. That is so wellsaid, Bob. And you know,
it's also important that just remember,like you know, the Memorial Day is
for those who have fallen, thosewho are no longer here. Veterans Day
is to celebrate those serving who arewho are still in with us, uh,

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you know, and you know,well whether they're currently active or not.
But it's the little things like that, Bob. I I miss memoire.
I can remember Memorial Day in thein the late eighties and we would
go to the downtown Pickwell, OhioMemorial Day parade, then we go back
to my We go back to myhouse and we'd have a bonfire and we'd

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roast hot dogs and marshmallows and we'dplay patriotic music. I mean it was
we I missed that, Bob,I miss I miss one of people cared
about things like that. Yeah,I mean it's it's you know, w'ere
ever changing country. But I dothink we are as a country are appreciating
our veterans. We are those thathave died a lot more than and we

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did in the past, and thatwas an unfortunate, you know, time
in our history, I'm afraid,but but I'm happy to say that.
I think it's you know, thingshave changed, and um, you know,
I think people are really appreciative now. I do too. I do
too, and that that's a goodfeeling. Well, Jack, what do
you think can Bob come back on? Because I think he did pretty good

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job. I have six other questionsthat I didn't get to ask. Bob.
You have to come back and allright, all right, guys,
I twist twist his arm hard enough, he'll come back on the podcast.
Hey, less than thirty seconds.Who wins the White House? Who wins
the uh Ohio Senate race? I'lltell you adds up today and don't what

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is today? Whatever today is?May twenty three, I say Trump wins
and Bernie Marino Win, I agreewith you right now on that. I
agree with you one hundred percent.Now we're talking Paulics guy. Any oh,
my lord, we have a yearand a half. We have a

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year and a half. But butI'm just saying, as of today,
everything I see, Joe Biden's gota big problem. He's got a huge
problem. And I'll tell you howhuge his problem is. It's so huge
that Donald Trump is beating him handling. Donald Trump has been in peach twice,
has been indicted how many times,and has had how many now court,

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you know, found guilty of whateverthis was with this woman. I
mean that tells you how bad offJoe Biden is. Yeah, it's bad.
It's bad, and the country's feelingthe effects of it. Ohio GOP
strategist Bob Clug, my friend,take care of yourself and have a happy
Memorial Day. Thank you, Bob,