Ep 24- We talk with an American Patriot who was at Janurary 6

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Episode Transcript

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Well, Jack on the Saving Libertypodcast. We mix it up every week,
right, there's new topics, buttypically we are talking to politicians,
we're talking to heads of organizations,uh, you know, things of that
nature. And so tonight it's afirst for us. First of all,
if I'm not mistaken, this isour first in studio guest on the podcast,

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isn't it. Yeah? I believeyou're right, okay, But not
only that, it's a it's it'snot a politician, it's not a business
leader. It's not political commentator,thank you. It's just your average American
patriot and what they have been through, some of the things they've experienced.

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This person was at January sixth,did not and I'll clarify right now,
did not enter the capitol, souand he is a local independent contractor that
can talk to you about Biden.Biden's going out there and what's the campaigning
on Bidenomics. We're, by theway, we're in the find out phase
right now. Yeah, we're findingout exactly how Bidenomics is. So this

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is exciting. This isn't just youknow some uh you know, Sean Hannity
going on Fox and you know,exaggerating things or given their perspective. This
is a real, local, averagepatriotic American, and I'm really excited to
have a real conversation with a realperson. Likewise, you know, we
often talk to people who want topontificate about what's going to happen or how

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things are affecting voter as well.We have a voter here, We have
a business person here, We havesomeone who has an opinion about what's going
on in the world. And Idon't know of a better way to get
a pulse on reality than that.That's right. So, without further ado,
to protect his identity, and youknow, you know how this works,

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he's going under a fake name tonight, but we'll just call him Mark,
and Mark, welcome to Saving Liberty. It is really nice to have
you here. And you know,stumbling into you and then having a conversation,
I was like, this guy needsa forum, he needs a microphone.
Well, thank you, guys,it's an honor to be here.
I really appreciate it. So justa little bit of general background without revealing

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too much of yourself. Who isMark? I have the unique opportunity,
on a daily basis for my jobto go into virtually every neighborhood in Central
Ohio throughout the week, and Isee everything high income neighborhoods, low income
neighborhoods, middle income neighborhoods. Andthe thing that I see the most is
this media narrative of this being anevil, systemically racist country could not be

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further from the truth. I havenever been treated poorly in a neighborhood by
somebody that I don't look like,or a minority neighborhood. People are people,
and what the media has done isto vilify the American citizen and try
to pit us against each other.They're just trying to do the best they
can do. I'm trying to dothe best I can do. And what

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I hear on a daily basis isthat when I give them the price of
the project, they're looking at peoplefrom all over every neighborhood. You know,
they can't believe the price. Ican't believe how much things have gone
up. They're getting killed at thegas pump, they're getting killed at the
grocery store, they're getting killed ontheir energy bills. And the media is
right. People are pissed off,but it's not against each other. It
is against the government that has abandonedthem and run over them, and they're

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tired of it. We've got anangry nation and things are coming to a
head. Do you think that theperson that the average person that you run
into, are they seeing this pattern? Because this is what I see,
and I could be off base,and I feel free to tell me that
the government creates problems or to createthe fallacy of a problem so that someone

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can campaign on the promise to fixthat problem. Do you think people are
catching onto that in neighborhoods that yougo into. I think so there.
The anger shows me that they are. They're not falling for it. It's
not the same country to where whenyou turn on the TV you believed everything
that you heard on the news,or you believe the headline in the newspaper

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or what you just saw on Facebook. They are catching on, and the
anger shows me that not only catchingon fast, they want change and they
are ready for change, and peopleare ready to do some things that I
think could be pretty wild, andwe are in unpressed at the time.
Well, no, no, itis. And the other thing is I
have been stunned by I don't thinkpeople in many know this. How many

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black men vote for Trump and likeDonald Trump, because you know what,
I'm not so much speaking of blackwomen, but black men have a very
entrepreneurial minded spirit, right. Theywant to make money, and they see
all this nonsense that's going around.They're seeing what the economy was like,

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record low, African American unemployment,record low, Latino unemployment record low,
Asian record low from twenty seventeen toall the way through twenty nineteen till about
say March of twenty twenty. Well, it was. It was the greatest
three year stretch of economic prosperity thiscountry's ever seen that I personally have ever

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felt. I was making a wholelot more money back then, and I
just don't I think black men arebeing like man, I don't hear him
saying anything racist. I he justhis calling it is. He wants the
border shut down. I'm tired ofdamn illegals in my neighborhood. I'm tired
of you know, everything costing moreand I can't save, and I want
to get out of here and Iwant to buy a house and I want

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to do this. Dude. Ithink people underestimate just what kind of percentage
of the black vote from black menhe will receive in twenty twenty four.
And I bet you see it.I see it on a daily basis.
And I will say some of theneighborhoods where you would think would be the
poorest neighborhoods have by far the mostamount of American flags. You go into
some of these ritzy neighborhoods, you'vegot Ukraine flags, You've got the gay

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pride flag. I mean, peoplethat are so out of touch with what
the common man and a common Americanwant, need and are going through.
But I totally agree with you onthat. That's that is one hundred percent
tru I see it every day,and I tell you what, it just
proves the anger and and where theywant this country to go because they don't
like where it's going. Yeah,and and Jack, real quick, I

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wanted to remind you you have astory you want to share, so but
if you want to follow up withthat, but I also would hope you
would share your story. Yeah.So to me, it's it's it's feigned
empathy. It's it's fake empathy fora problem. Look, I don't I
don't believe for a second that therearen't people who hate other people because of
their race. I don't believe fora second that there are people who hate

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other people because they are transgender orgay or whatever. I just don't think
that the average person does, andI don't think a lot of average people
do. But you have this feignedempathy from people right who are really duped
by this idea that there's there's thisfake problem and that you know, their

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political persuasion is going to solve it. But I digress to the story Josh
is alluding to. I'm going totry to get through this quickly. I
had a really just refreshing interaction yesterdaywith a guy who I later found out
in the conversation is seventy five yearsold. I never would have guessed him
to be seventy five years old.He has a handful of kids, so
somewhere between five and seven, andhas been married to a woman for a

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long time. And we are havingthis discussion and I'm a father of one
biological daughter to bonus kids what Icall him, And I said, you
know, we live in trying times, man, like, how do you
how do you do it? Howdid you do it? Because your kids
are grown up now? And hesaid, you know, when I grew
up. My dad said, hereare the rules. If you make choices

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and break the rules, lose theaddress. You don't live here anymore.
And he said, I worked reallyhard. My wife and I worked really
hard to instill values in our kids, and there was a point at which
we realized it's a time for themto choose. And if they choose,
they choose they you know, hehad a son that played professional football,

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has a daughter who owns a business. And he said, they've made good
choices. And he said, butsometimes they've made bad choices. But they
know one thing. If they don'twant to follow the rules, if they
don't want to respect our morality,lose the address. Now in an instance,
if they're going to lose their lifeor whatever, I will be there

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and I will help you. Butmy job is to parent you and help
lead you. But we have comeso far from understanding that actions have consequences.
If somebody's in a bad situation,it's so easy for us to look
at it and go, it's society'sproblem, it's you know, this group's
problem. He said, that's nonsense. That individual made a choice and that

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choice had a consequence, and weneed to get back to that, and
he said, I'm so worried thatwe're not going to get back to that.
By the way, he's a seventyfive year old black man who is
married to a white woman and hasraised an incredible family. Now, the
media narrative would be someone like thatwould say, look, if my daughter
doesn't get ahead or my son doesn'taccomplish what he wants to, it's the

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institution's fault. It's the white man'sfault. Not once was there an ounce
in iota, a sintilla of thattype of energy from him. It was
you are born, you are blast, You make choices. Those choices have
consequences. Yeah, I mean,I mean it's a simple concept. And
you know, talk about you know, we like we talked about earlier today

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about some things Jack, but youknow the lack of black fathers in the
household, which is by design,by the way, the government designed that
to destroy the black family. Theythey they did that with Lyndon Johnson and
welfare and you know the Great Society, well, the Great Society basically says

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we'll pay you money to pop outkids left and right. Is you know,
no no husband or father in thepicture. You know, you're a
single mom, you're struggling. Well, my question is, if you have
five kids from five different baby daddies, at some point you've made a very
poor choice. But when you havethose kids, if you have a father

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in the household and from you weretelling me about your dad, and I'll
let you, I'll let you talkabout those values and kind of who he
was. But it's amazing the kidswho make it out of these situations almost
always have had two per parents involvedin their lives, no question. Yeah,

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absolutely, So tell me to justshare a little bit about your deck
because when you told me what you'reyou know your dad was he was kind
of something. Yeah, he wasa special individual. I'm a product of
a second marriage, so he wasolder than my mom. Grew up on
a dirt farm in the middle ofnowhere Indiana, went to the Korean War,

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got the GI Bill, got alaw degree, ended up as an
FBI agent of all things back whenthe FBI wasn't weaponized democratic just before the
deep stage, before they took over. He's got to be spinning in his
grave, uh, knowing what theFBI has become. But yeah, he
uh, he saw a lot ofthings. He did a lot of things.

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He was. He was a veryspecial individual and and instilled, as
as as my mother did, valuesin me kind of like like what you
just said, Jack, You knowyou've got choices. Choices have consequences,
And it never occurred to me togo out and do the things you see
some of the young kids doing now, or the trouble they got into,
or the way they didn't have respectfor authority or their parents. It was

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and I had two parents, andit goes back to that point. I
don't care what color you are orwhat nationality you are. If you come
from a two parent home and thosevalues are instilled in you, what an
advantage you have, and what aprivilege you've had grown up in the greatest
country in the world. What anhonor. Yeah, it really is.
And it's just a shame to seewhat it's become. I don't know if

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you have any more like cultural becauseI want to get I want to I
want to find out, like specificallywith what you do as an independent contractor
just the kinds of projects you usedto be able to push and people are
like, all right, sounds gonnasign off compared to what they're doing.
Out to get the cost down thatI didn't know, Jack, if you

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had any other for the question.I think we put a nice bow on
that discussion. And you know,I guess to me summarily, it's the
media is pitching one position and you'reexperiencing directly that it's it's the polar out.
It's the complete polar opposite. Andwhat we have done to stay profitable,
we are doing a lot of lower, lower ending tickets. We're not

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doing the big fifty sixty seventy thousanddollars rooms that used to be so prevalent.
Now people are doing projects in stages, they're doing you know, smaller
areas. They're doing things that theycan only do because nobody's really trying to
move right now with the interest ratesas much as they are and people getting
killed, so they're putting money intotheir house. Hopefully that sanity returns to

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the world at some point. Sowe're seeing much much more lower ticket items,
but people doing a lot because they'rethey're trying to make their homes as
best as they can. They're tryingto be happy and it's hard right now.
And if I can help design somethingfor them that gives them, you
know, a feeling of pride intheir home when they're getting killed at the

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pumps and they can't get the groceriesthey used to get, and they can't
turn the air conditioner down to sixtyseven anymore because I can't afford it.
Then you know, that's an honorfor me to be able to help them,
and it's it's it's it's pretty amazingwhat you see. There's a sense
of udity out there in the angertoward this government and this administration. That's
universal. It's absolutely universal. Yeah, no, it absolute hundred percent.

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Is On a side note, Ido this to a lot of people,
like when I find out that theyhave to go into homes for their job.
Like you know, I've had likeevery cable or whatever satellite installer.
I've asked this question. But sinceyou have to go into people's homes,
I'm just curious for fun, whatis the worst thing you've ever seen?
And like, was there a timeyou just like walked in and said,

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no, I'm not I can't,I'm walking right back out. I've got
two I've been in hoarders homes before. One was by far the worst thing
I had ever seen. Hording wise, it's not funny. It really is.
And it hit it spilled out toher yard. And this was down
in Bexley, and she was goingto get fined on a daily basis.

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She spent nine thousand dollars on avinyl fence to hide her yard instead of
clean it up. I couldn't believeit. The other thing I saw that
I walked out of guy wanted todo a basement and he had two padlocks
on his basement door and goes andunlocked and said go ahead, you can
go first. I turned around,walked right out. Dude. That's the
premise of a horror movie. Itwas. I felt like I was on

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Friday the thirteenth or Friday. Yeah. Yeah, it puts the lotion in
the also gets the hose again.Yeah, that was. That was the
only time I was really bothered.That's interesting. Well, let's pivot if
we can. Yeah, that's fair. You were at the Nation's capital in

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January sixth. Yes, and wehave learned a lot from mainstream media outlets
from the January sixth commission. AndI think Ronald Reagan said something one time
about they know a lot, itjust happens to not be true, And
a lot of what we assume andthe dots that we connect because the mainstream

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media doesn't appear to be doing itsjob and certain federal authorities don't seem to
be doing their job. One,it was not there were it appears law
enforcement officers who were there who mayhave been aiding and abetting the chaos a
little bit. Some people have saidit is not at all the resurrection or

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not resurrection, that the revolution revolution. What's the there's a phrase I'm searching
for. They when they played onon Loop Trump said go down to the
Capitol. He said, peacefully andpatriotically protest. Of course they correct it
before he said that insurrection, insurinsurrection. What did you see? I

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saw, again the exact opposite whatthe media portrays, because you just went
there to see the speech she wasgiven. You wanted to be part of
history and let your voice be heard. That you know they stole this election
from it's not even close, andthe fact that you are not going to
take it quietly and as what wasso great to see because we got up

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there January fifth, We left ourhotel it four thirty five in the morning
on the sixth, and could notbelieve the amount of people that were there
already. I am convinced, andso were a couple other people I went
with. There's two million people there. Never saw one problem, never saw
one fight. You couldn't move normally. That's annoying in people. I mean,

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I went and used the porta potty. It took me an hour to
go about thirty feet. You couldn'tgo anywhere. But everybody was sharing water.
People had backpacks on sandwiches, youknow, snacks everybody where. There
was a sense of brotherhood and camaraderiethere that was amazing. And I'll tell
you what that nobody ever reports.There were so many Chinese people there with

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anti Chinese signs about how their governmentis evil and how you know, the
Communist Party of China, all thesethings. We were shocked, never never
expected to see that, never sawany problems, never saw any violence.
And when when we left we walkeddown Constitution Avenue to go to the Capitol,
we weren't in the front, wewere in the in the back part

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walking up Capitol Hill. When wegot there, we did see tear gas
and then the police that had abarricade of themselves up on the top steps.
And we didn't even go up there. We were so far back.
They just vanished, disappeared, justgone, And all of a sudden,
a couple other barricades, like actualphysical barricades gone. So I didn't put

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two and two together there yet,but it was obvious that they knew that
this crowd was coming, and theyjust miraculously disappeared. And and all the
videos come out of them walking uh, patriots to the Capitol, opening doors
for him, taking barricades down.Now, we didn't see that that was
in the front, but I justthought it was weird. Okay, here's

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one thing of tear gas, andthen all of a sudden, everybody's gone
from where we were. Nobody triedto get in, Nobody would ever even
dawned on we made even think togo in. Uh, we just saw
people standing there, sing the nationalanthem, waving Trump flags around. People
were pretty pissed off at Pence atthat point. Rightfully so right and especially

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now with his comments and his laughabletwenty twenty four presidential and all he's doing
is trashing Trump, and dude,if I Mike Pence, what a turncoat,
rhino piece of establishment filth that manhas become. He is? And
again all walks of life were atJanuary sixth. They may they want to

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pretend like this mega thing is allwhite people. Nothing could be further from
the truth. I saw everything anda lots of different ethnicities, all pro
Trump, all pro America, allknowing full well how bad this was going
to be, that this election gotstolen. And it's I think also the
irony of the Chinese folks protesting theircorrupt government from where they, you know,

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their homeland. Little did we knowthat essentially in three short years we
become many China. Yeah, andprobably in a lot of ways, China
and Russia are more free than partsof this country. With with the weaponization
of the IRS, the FBI,the CIA spying on you, the NSA's
reading all your emails. What welive in a Banana republic where there's two

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sets of laws. The liberals cando whatever they want in government and establishment,
and the patriots get beat down.Look, I mean, the stuff
they're doing to Trump, it's ifit wasn't so Unamerican and unpatriotic, it'd
be funny. It's a it's aTom Clancy novel that Tom Clancy never really
fully imagined. That's what we're livingin right day and there are there are

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two tiers of justice in this country. I want to I want to touch
on a point and I want toget your your feedback on this. I
didn't dive very deeply into the ideathat the election was stolen from the vantage
point of ballot boxes were stuffed digitalmachines, you know, calculated votes that
maybe weren't there. Although there isa documentary I think it's called two Thousand

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Mules that shows people stuffing ballot boxes. My internal question has always been if
that was false, why why whydidn't we see a tremendous amount of lawsuits
afterwards from the people in the footageand people accused of potentially stuffing ballot boxes
that never came So that to me, it looks suspicious. All of that
though, to say this, Ifeel like the biggest violation or the biggest

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election interference, and this is whatno one talks about, happened by the
government outsourcing control and censorship through socialmedia companies. And if you look at
the Twitter files, you look atthe Facebook files, those companies were regularly
meeting with the FBI. The FBIat that time had Hunter Biden's laptop in

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its possession, they knew what wason it, or the standard of law,
they should have reasonably known what wason it. And for fifty two
of them to come into agreement andgo to social media companies and say this
Hunter Biden laptop story has the signaturesof rushing disinformation. To me, is
the biggest evidence of election interview thatis rightly agree with you, Well,

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I totally agree, and I thinkto have that many federal agents come out
and just tell a blatant lie,tells me one of two things, or
maybe both are true. One theyhave dirt on them, they have something
on them that says you're either gonnaget in line with us here or we're
going to expose this. Or theywere paid off and they are already so

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corrupt and already in this Biden crimesyndicate that it could be both. I
mean, it's it's unbelievable what wesee and what is hidden. Just today
I saw where Netflix and Amazon Primeare refusing to air that Jim Caviezel movie
about the child trafficking. They won'thave it on at all. It's that

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just blows my mind. And itjust shows you the level of corrupt and
satanic evil that is out there inthis country in positions of power that guys
like me, guys like you,you look and say, well, what
can you do against such reckless hate? How am I ever going to get
out from the giant foot it's aboutto squash me. And it's it's scary.

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I think they're so corrupt and there'sso much evidence of the corruption that
they can turn down on a diamondsay we own you now. Yeah.
Isn't it the sound of freedom?Yes, sound of freedom? Yeah,
I believe so. Yeah. Andthat was which by the way, you
know, oh, this is athey call it a right wing wet dream
as though this doesn't actually happen,it's based off a former federal agents personal

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experience, and then they dismiss itas it's some QAnon hoax, you know,
I mean, it's unbelievable, which, by the way, I am
now convinced QAnon was like a Russianor Chinese psyop, Yeah, because nothing
ever came true from what they weresaying, and every day you would hear
something difference, like on the Xtwenty two report or something on social media,
and it's like, well that didn'thappen, and this didn't happen in

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general, like there's a there's ageneral who's already organizing, you know,
and all that, like just thestorm is coming back to January sixth,
and all those you. I thinkwhat's interesting because you know, obviously,
like you said, you made itmaybe to the base of the Capital steps
just to you know, look up, and you were kind of, you
know, more in the back thoseyou talked to who actually were in different

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places, And because I think thebest kind of information is just talking to
people. What kind of things werethey telling you? Guys, like what's
well? And then they're like,dude, you wouldn't believe it. This
was going on out there. Theydid this. You know, I'm just
curious what you heard because there aretoo many people say they were there and
they heard you know this, RayEpps, mother, don't even I almost

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I have just a family friendly podcast. But that guy, you cannot tell
me. That guy was on aplanted federal agent trying to rile people up.
And there were so many stories ofpeople saying, I'm telling you this
guy was like come on, comeon, come on, or cops just
like usher them. Like what kindof stories were people tell them? What
kind of experiences did other people have, Well, they it toward the end

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there when they came in with allof the cop cars and the riot gear
and stuff from Maryland, and itlooked like something out of out of a
movie. That's when it started todisperse a little bit, and so we
started talking, Hey where were you? Where were you? And you couldn't
get an uber, you couldn't geta cab. We're stuck down there.
We don't know the metro system there. We ended up trying to ride that.

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I mean. But the people wewere talking to did not see anything
that the media said happened. Therewas anybody, Hey I heard a gunshot,
or hey I saw this person getbeat up. I didn't even talk
to anybody that was even in thecapitol. We didn't know until the next
day. I believe that people werein the Capitol because it just didn't look
like that. They paint this picturethat DC was in flames and it was

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utter anarchy and chaos. It wasn't. It was two million people that were
pissed off because a guy who I'dbe shocked if he even got forty million
votes, they say he got eightyone. And you know, you had
an angry country and but it wasn'ta violent mop. I did not see
any of that. Yeah, Isaw tear gas. I saw people climbing

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the steps and climbing the scaffolding andthe bleachers that are out there in the
back. But they weren't throwing things. They didn't have weapons. It was
just packed, it was and peoplewere standard on monuments. They weren't desecrating
the monuments. They just wanted theirvoice heard. It finally felt like a
guy who stood up for the Americanpeople that came to the establishment and took

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tried to take them down. Theygot him at the end. And it
was an angry It's not a mob. It was an angry group. And
I did not see what the mediasaid. Like I said, we didn't
know till the next day people wereinto Capitol. Look if if it was
what the media portrait, if itwas two million people, that outcome would
have been entirely different. Oh,there were not enough police officers. I

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mean, you can go back andI can't get into the deep dive.
You know, every aspect of theCapitol City police reports that were released and
the email messages that were uncovered.The bottom line is there were people who
were requesting more presence, and thatrequest was either ignored or denied, and

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there were people who were not loopedin on the potential issues surrounding the number
of people that were coming to thecapitol, And from the outside looking in,
you kind of go, well,why is that? Yeah? Why
why was that information not relayed?Why why were they understaffed? If two
million people were so angry that theywanted to take over the capitol, they

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would have taken It would have beenvery simple. There's nothing they would have
been able to do. And whenwe left, they shut everything down.
They shut DC down, they shutMaryland down, parts of Virginia down.
And we walked into this restaurant.We were starving at this point. I'll
never forget this. The owner saidwe have to legally close in ten minutes.
I'll make you guys food. You'renot going anywhere. And when he
came out, he goes, wemessed up. I go, what do

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you mean? How do we messup? He goes, We're gonna have
to come back. We didn't doit right. And I was like,
wow, that's pretty prophetic because hewas right, and I it really blew
my mind that he had the foresightto think that way, because we were
there and we related and think that. Yet we were still kind of blown
away by what we saw and theamount of commodi camaraderie with the Pete there.

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There was no Yeah, people wereangry, but they weren't angry at
each other. Did they make itsound like it's just this frantic mob fighting
each other and doing it was Nothingcould be further from the truth. And
let's not forget the biggest lie everperpetuated out of January six Nobody, not
one police officer was killed on Januarysixth. Nobody was killed by any of

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these protesters. You're sixty year oldwomen walking around taking in the capitol like
and by the way, notice howthey stayed between the velvet ropes out of
respect, right, you know,just walking around taking pictures, sitting in
jail for two years. The biggestlie, nobody died. The only person
who was killed was Ashley Babbott andthat was by who Mike Pence's security detailed

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team. Yeah, it's interesting,guys in suits shot her. That was
Pence's I believe it was they werebecause that was the he was in a
room near where that double doors wereand that's what that was the agent who
opened fire. I don't know ifhe was necessarily his Secret Service, but
he was definitely a federal Capitol Hillofficer in charge of helping protect Mike Pence.

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That's the only person who died onJanuary sixth. There were heart attacks,
there were strokes, three suicides,what what? And and so that
was the biggest lie ever and andand really they've they've turned these people into
political prisoners. There's no due processfor him. But that was the biggest

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lie that came out. They're ingulags, they have no I mean,
I can't even imagine, no contactwith anybody. They say they're they're locked
up twenty three and a half hoursa day, no TV, no books.
Uh, I just it's not America. There's pictures of them sleeping literally
on blankets on a concrete floor,nothing but a toilet three two feet from

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their heads. And we treat theget MO terrorists better than we treat the
January six prisoners. That God's sakes, they get to go out and pray
five times a day, they getto go outside, they have recreation,
I mean special dietary means are thatare served to them. It's just,
it's just, and yet they havea constitutional right to a speedy trial.

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Think about that. Anything else youwant to get into, Jack or how
are you feeling? Well? Youknow, just uh, you know,
I think there was one one otherthing I was going to ask. So
I've heard through attorneys that I've talkedwith that have been contacted by and even
represented Ohioans that were in the atnear the capital, not in the capitol,

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around the capitol on January sixth.They've indicated that the federal government used
Google Analytics to figure out you know, here's here's your phone, you're inside
that loop. Where were you?Were you in the capitol? I wasn't
in the capitol. The data pointssays that you were and either detaining them

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or questioning them. Have federal authoritiescontacted you have you had to go through
No, But I did have twofriends that live in this area that we're
contacted by the FBI. They wentup on the fifth as well, stayed
the sixth. None of them enteredthe capitol. None of them were even
close or dulled down at the bottom. But yeah, two which kind of

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shocked me. And you know,where's your where's your right to assemble.
Where's your right to protest? Now? You can go burn down Portland and
occupy Seattle for two months and shootpeople and loot and do whatever you want.
Hey, that's no problem. Butwhen you march down Constitution Avenue singing
the national anthem with American flags everywhereand Trump flags everywhere, hey, look

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out. You know you are apolitical prisoner. You are an insurrectionist.
And it's just absolutely criminal that thesupposed freest country in the world can have
that opinion to do that to itsown citizens. Last question, with the
election coming up, I've talked toa lot of patriots, not not maybe

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not a lot, but enough toworry me. Who were Trump People who
have never since they were eighteen yearsold, they voted in every single possible
mid term and presidential election, whosay it's all rigged. I'm just not
going to bother to vote. Whatdo you say to those people to make

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sure that if you just do nothing, if you do not vote, if
you just concede this, that thereis no hope for us. And you
know, I've I've talked to somepeople and it's just it feels like they've
been beaten down, which is exactlywhat the government wants, quit trying.

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You're just gonna shut your mouth andgo along with the program and don't buy
the way. If we want,we're gonna cut your kids genitals off and
and you're never going to find outabout it because you don't have it right
as a parent. There's too muchat stake here. What do you say
to those people like it was ridonce, they're gonna do it again.
I'm just not even gonna bother.Well. I can see why they feel
that way, but this is whatI would say to them. There's three

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times in this nation's history that thisnation's fate was tied to one single man,
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, andnow Donald J. Trump. As
Trump's fate goes, so goes thisnation. Because if he is not the
president in twenty twenty four, wedon't have a country anymore. This is
the third term of Obama. Theyknew exactly what they were doing. This

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is all by design. This isnot incompetence, even though he is a
competent, idiotic, senile, pedophile. This is by design. And so
you have to vote, even ifyou think there is no hope, you
have to vote because so goes Trump. So goes America. I think that's
uh. I think that's pretty wellsaid. So Mark, as we'll call

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you. God bless you, brotherh keep fighting a good fight. Uh.
I plan on staying in touch withyou frequently. And you know,
thanks for coming on the podcast.It's not easy to do. And you
know, you know, there's areason we're not using your real name because
I don't trust anybody in this guy, you know, and I guarantee you

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the reputation that Jack and I havein the Stable, Ohio. There are
law enforcement that listen to the podcastgoing what can we get them? Did
they say anything to incite Yeah,we both know that we both have.
We we have receipts on that.So thank you very much, man,
God bless and uh Trump twenty twentyfour, Baby, absolutely, who's an
honor gentleman. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mark. That's love

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it. That's cool shit, guys, man, I love it. Yeah,
dude, thank you. Oh,you're very welcome. Yeah, and
JA Yeah, I will go