Ep 26- The woke take over of the health care industry

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Episode Transcript

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Okay, Jack, it's time todelve into a topic. I don't think
you and I have really talked aboutother than you know, our reactions to
all the dumb COVID restrictions that we'rein place that we now know don't work.
You know that My favorite one isif you go into a restaurant,
you gotta put on a mass butyou can take it off when you sit
down at the table, and thenyou can stand back. Oh but if

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you stand back up, you knowwhat I mean. I mean all all
this stuff, and really, we'veseen a weaponization of the healthcare industry.
Yes, it's it's it's a it'slike we have been. It has been
taken over, and it pushes aleftist ideology. It pushes, oh,

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everything's got to be diversity, equityand inclusion, even in healthcare. I
don't I don't care a damn aboutdiversity, equity and inclusion. I just
want the best doctor. I justwant the best care if I need it.
That's all that's all I want.And it's just the politicization of hospitals
and doctors and boy, it justseems like they're all coming out pushing left

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wing stuff. Oh were we're tolerantand we're open to you know, your
child transitioning at age seven, wewill provide necessary care, nutty stuff,
nutty stuff, oh, you know. And the biggest promoters of the JAB
in the world. And it justbecause I follow the money on that one.

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I can only imagine why the healthcareindustry one shore to buy visors or
to get visors shots. But it'sgotten to the point now where I've talked
to more than one conservative in thehealth healthcare industry, like I have to
watch what I say. They don'tknow who I vote for. I don't
talk about anything I'm because they're afraidthey will get signaled out, singled out,

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and they'll lose their job. Nowhaving said all that, you're like,
well, are there people resisting,openly resisting? And yes they are,
including our guest tonight, isn't itright? Yes? Absolutely. I
first came across an article written aboutand buy Cleetwigel. He's a nurse in

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Kent, Ohio. And it startedout and this is what caught my attention.
We are all the victims of anew view of quote justice end quote
that has infected our culture. Thisis my story and it may soon be
yours and then he dives into Februarytwenty twenty three, and I'm going to

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let him take over from there.So Cleetweigel, thank you for joining us
on the Saving Liberty podcast. Howare you tonight, sir good? Thanks
for having me on. It's anabsolute honor. So first of all,
I want to let our listeners knowyou have. I want to say,
is it thirty seven years experience inthe healthcare industry? Yeah, that's right

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and thirty seven years. And sofor thirty seven years you've worked, You've
done a good job. You've youknow, followed the creeds of the industry,
do no harm, right risk benefitcalculations, do things that make sense
for the betterment of the patient.But in February twenty twenty three, that

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all changed in your mind. Whathappened at the hospital where you were employed.
Well, I responded to a leadershipblog on in February, and the
leadership blog was talking about Black HistoryMonths and the high rate of maternal and

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instant death among blacks in Ohio andreally throughout the country. There's three times
the rate of death. And theblog went on to say that they were
implementing implicit bias training as one aspectto try to lower the impact of or
the incidents of maternal and instant deathamong blacks. So I responded with a

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blog, asking a lot of questionsbecause I don't really think that will work.
I'm convinced it won't, and soI was bringing out some other points
of view and my blog never gotpublished. But I was called to my

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supervisor's office a couple of weeks laterand an HR rep was there and they
asked me questions about why I hadwritten the blog and did I know that
everyone would see it? And Isaid, well, yeah, I thought
that the idea of blogs, youwant everybody to see the ideas. But
I knew that my blog had notbeen published because I had looked for it

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and was wondering what kind of reactionI would get. But the leadership saw
it and they did not like it. So so I had that fact.
Guys were gathering session and then aweek or two later, a disciplinary meeting
written warning and saying that I neededto take two d I trainings and report

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on those by June and president dothat. I turned in my resignation,
giving sixty days. But I gota call that same evening that I sent
my resignation letter asking about the reasonI had given for my resignation, which

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I have said was that my employerscommitments no longer aligned with my deeply held
personal convictions. And when they asked, is that really what I want to
say? I said, well,yeah, because that's the reason I was
told. Well, then today's yourlast day of work, and I was

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given four weeks of sovereign to pay. So, first of all, that's
extremely frustrating to listen to, andI'm sorry that you had to go through
that. Secondly, I want topoint out something that I just it's the
glaring obvious thing in the room,that the elephant in the room, if

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you will. You were responding toa diversity director's blog, and according to
my textbook definition of diversity, thatis the state of being diverse, riety
a range of different things, andso you submitted information. I didn't read

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your blog post, by the way, but I would almost bet my house
that you weren't name calling, youweren't belittling, you weren't unduly criticizing.
You went there and said, well, let me let me give you some
observations based on my thirty seven yearsof experience and some data points that probably

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better address this issue of health disparitiesinstead of this. I mean, I'm
going to you didn't say this,I did quackery that somehow implicit biased training
is going to reduce health disparities,as if somebody being biased is increasing the
death rate and mothers and children inthe black community. It's just the irony

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there is unbelievable that here you areoffering a valid and qualified response to a
blog and essentially that was it.I mean, it's crazy to me.
What was that like for you inthat moment when you I mean, because

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I've been in situations and you getthat feeling in the pit of your stomach,
You're like, oh, I knowwhere this is going. Did you
get that feeling? And what wasthat moment like for you? Well,
first of all, I thought longand hard about the blog I was writing,
because I know the way this works, the counterview is not well received.

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People are censored, marginalized, discriminatedagainst, fired. I talked to
my wife about it, and shesaid, yeah, do it if that's
if you're convicted to do it toit. I thought about my kids and
and do I want to be someonethat that knew the truth. But decided

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to swallow the lie that I wasbeing given and just acquiesced and go along
with what the institution was saying.And so you know, I couldn't do
that. So I wrote it andsent it in and I didn't hear anything,
you know, for a while.So I thought, well, I

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figured they'd look at it and theydidn't like it, they would censor it
and not put it on. ButI didn't know what else would happen.
So yeah, when I was finallycaught to the office, I didn't I
didn't know it was about that becauseit's been a couple of weeks and or
other things I would might have beentalking to my supervisor about. But you
know, once it got introduced,I knew, okay, well here we

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go. And you know, theysaid that, I said, well,
you know, I just don't agreewith I don't think it's well, you
know, you're basically you're psychoanalyzing theemployees. How can you do that.
You're assuming things about the employees.There's no presumptive innocence. It's you know,

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it's it's so wrong in so manyways, unconstitutional, American, not
practical. It's going to alienate employees. The implicit bias orplicit association tests,
if that's how they're going to tryto measure implicit bias. The authors of
that test have debunked their own testsand said it's it's not valid, so

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it's not a valid way of measuring. They're just gonna they're just guessing that
everyone is biased. And I meanit's based on Marcist ideology. You know,
Erica sharef Over Marcus. She Marcusis. She the wife of Herbert
Marcuse. She came up with theidea implicit advice in nineteen seventies. She

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called it emancipatory consciousness, and soshe initiated a whole, the whole d
EI type of training. And it'sall theory, and now we we act
as though this was evidence space medicine. That was one of the problems I
had, and that's one of thethings I wrote in my blog. You

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know, are we saying this trump'sevidence space medicine. I mean, they
didn't provide any answers to that.They just said the leadership has decided to
go in this direction, and sothat's an ideological decision. So they decided
that ideology is going to trump evidence. And that's how we're going to run

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this business and it's just wrong.Cleet. I wonder when did you see
this kind of slow infiltration of politicsinto the healthcare and medical fields. I
mean it's it starts off, youknow that it's slow at first, but
now you've got to sign pleasure,you know, talking about transgender childcare.

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You know, to me what we'reauthoritarian COVID requirements. I mean this this
isn't like new, but it's moreopen and out now. And the medical
industry as a whole has been completelycompromised and infiltrated. When when did you

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start realizing, like, like rate, maybe not something as over the top
silly as what your your story you'redealing with now for what they did to
you, but like when did youfirst start like I'm raising an eyebrow here,
what exactly? Like you know whatI'm saying? When when did you
finally realize that there's something going onand it ain't good? Well, so

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my my antenna went up a coupleof years ago when our CEO hosted a
a meeting of the Action Chamber ofCommas at Commerce and that anti racist in
the workplace and like a workshop orforum or something like that. And and

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so every week our CEO would hasa little blurb on the employee websites and
you know this and latest news,you know. And so he said,
you know, we did this workshop. Watch watch short video on that.
So I watched it, and theyhave had a consultant there, and the

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CEO asked the consultant, well,what kind of resources would you recommend for
the employees to understand better? Andshe recommended Robin de'angelo White Fragility. Now
I had never read that book,but I thought, Okay, I'm gonna
read it because I wonder what she'stalking about, because she she had said

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when she recommended, she said thatRobin DeAngelo's White Fragility. I can't remember
an exact quote, but it putinto words for life basically. It was
a pretty profound statement. I thought, wow. So then I read White
Fragility, and and I was shockedat at what Robin DeAngelo had to say.

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I mean, if you're a white, you're a racist. You're hopelessly
racist, and you'll never not beracist. And but you've got to work
the rest of your life to tryto not be racist. I mean,
it's it's a costa trap, it'sa cult, and it's a ridiculous view

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of humanity, which is one ofthe things I wrote in my Do No
Harm blog. It's a pathetic viewof humanity if that's if that's what you
see about the whole white race,and that's for focus. So I saw
that, and you know, andthen I was more than the antenna let

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up. I was. I wassaying, Okay, I hope, I
hope they don't take this book seriously, but I'm afraid they have taken at
least some of it seriously. Yeah. Well, yeah, I tell you.
We put two to assume. Andagain I love the fact that you
were saying, they're assuming things aboutpeople. But this is to assume someone's

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heart, mind and intentions. Andand then if you say, well,
no, that's not the aw seasto help all your that's you're being a
fragile, You're you're why are youso defensive? Well, I don't like
being called something I'm not. Andso for the CEO to push that,
I mean, how awkward to me. I would be like walking around eggshells.

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Then that the CEO, you know, after watching that, like this
is what and this is what anypeople are color think of me? Who
I work with. I mean thatcreates an awkward work environment. It creates
tension, unneeded, unnecessary tension.It's it doesn't solve anything, it causes

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more problems. And I don't understandwhy that. Why that in a hospital
system, why that in medical care? What the hell does that have to
do with diagnosing someone's condition. I'mblown away that the CEO recommended you guys
read it, or it did theinterview with the one that she recommended it.
I mean, it's appalling to methat they how about we recommend,

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oh, we've got you should readthis. There's a new modern improvements and
things in res urch we're doing toimprove people's quality of lives. No,
now we've got to introduce racism intoit and then create just a bad work
environment where you just like are goingto be assumed that anything you say cannon
will be used against you. Well, you know you're right. I mean,

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Christopher Ruffo has has studied this andhas examples of the impact on the
workplace, and it creates It doescreate suspicions, people are looking over their
back there, It harms communication amongthe staff. It doesn't improve it.

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But there's that's the idea it's goingto improve communication, but it doesn't.
And if you're suspicious of your fellow, you know, employee, then you're
going to have more difficulty helping thepatients because now you're worried about two things.
You know, how the patient doingand and how am I doing in

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relationship to everybody else watching me withthis patient? You know what kind of
what kind of mindfield am I steppingon? It's you know it. And
there's nurses. Now I didn't workin O B G. I n you
know, version babies. But thesenurses I'm sure are very passionate in their

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work and they take care of everyonethe best they can, regardless of the
color. But but this training says, well, you're we don't really think
you're doing that. I mean,you might think you're doing that, but
we want you to discover what itis that you don't know about yourself.

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It's it's a Maoist struggle session.I mean, it's it's the American equivalent
of a Maoist struggle session. Andit's it's sad that we're we're doing that,
you know, Like Thomas soul hassaid it, once the prevailing narratives
gets out there, then people justgo with it. It's hard to say,

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wait a minute, there there mightbe another cause to this, like
poverty, drug use, lack offather in the home, lack of education
for transportation, violence on safe communicate, on safe communities, no social support.
All those have a much higher associationwith maternal and instant depth amount for

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anyone than implicit bias. And kiddingme, so we're just we look away
from the elephants in the room andtry to find some other cause because it's
the prevailing narrative, and it's notgood for medicine, it's not good for
our country. It's it's really separatingus. Well, it's kind of it's

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it's catastrophic. And what I meanby that is we are now and I
love how you said it earlier.We are now psychoanalyzing our fellow employees.
And apparently there's uh, some reallywise person at the top of the hill.
They're looking down on everyone and tellingthem what to do, and and

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they're they're making decisions based on somethingthat you cannot see, that you cannot
measure, that you cannot tie backto negative health outcomes, which is this
idea of implicit bias. And nobodyever says, well, wait a minute,
you're the one peddling this fallacy.We're gonna have to call the fallacy.
You're the one pedaling this this uhproposition that people are implicitly biased.

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What what if you're doing that becauseyou're implicitly biased. But okay, so
this is this imaginary thing. Butbut what we're also doing is we're ignoring
that if you take blood from somebodyand you look at their DNA, you
can tell whether they're male or female, and a lot of their characteristics.
If you look at their private parts, you can tell whether they're male or

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female. These are measurable things thatyou can These are facts that you can
tie back to. So we literally, we literally have abandoned statistics, data,
and reality in favor of imaginary inour healthcare system. Legitimately, what
you're describing is we are relying ona world of make believe where somebody somewhere

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who can't prove anything is saying thatyou're bad and I'm good, and as
a result of your being bad,our health outcomes are bad. That is
lunacy to me. Yeah. Yeah, it's not very affirming of you,
of your employees of it. No, And it's not scientific, it's not

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evidence space, it's not rational.But none of this is rational. I
mean, you know, Nicole HannahJones is sixteen nineteen project. She comes
right out and says that she doesn'tbelieve there's objective reality. She denies it.
I mean, so then she writesa book that's fiction and now it's

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being taught in our school systems.Well, there's no objective reality. Then
I'm not really sick. You're notreally sick that child did not did not
die prematurely. Let's all make believe. Well, that's crazy and there's no
reason to take her seriously then,because well, what you just said and
what you wrote and is just yoursubjective idea, So there's no reason for

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me to take it as objective reality. Since you're denying that anyway, then
I can just write write off everythingyou said there and it should not be
taught in our school system. Saidthat a lot better than I did,
Cleet, Thank you, that werereally well said. These things are very
frustrating because people that do not believein truth objective reality are dictating things that

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we should do, and they're backingit up as this is objective reality.
So it's it's a self defeating argument. But we're not pointing that out and
we're not saying, wait a minute, you know that that can't be true.
I mean, it hasn't been tested, you know. The one of

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the I don't know if it's anursing motto or what it's called. Practice
with a questioning attitude. We hadthat on our badges at work. Practice
with a questioning attitude. They wantso you ask questions like is that the
right medication? Is that the rightleg we're going to operate on? Is
is this the right pay You knowthat, you know, check the idea

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and everything. So I that wasthe ending of my blog. I said,
you know, this is our modelpractice with a questioning askitude. We
should seriously question why are we choosingthis route? Meaning implicit bias training.
Yeah, but it doesn't count inin this scenario. That's that's the problem.

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It's no, we've chosen the narrativeand that's what we're going to go
with, and that's that's never good. No. No, I have a
question, and you know, wecan kind of maybe wrap it up with
this. So seeing as how you'reclearly a freethinking, autonomous person, intelligent,

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what was it like during the heightof COVID and the the when did
you notice, Like, man,I don't know why they're recommending this.
It doesn't make sense. Like whendid your own medical training just click in
your brain, like this is somethingyou know, the idea that if you
go into a restaurant and you weara paper masks, you take it off

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and sit down and then you know, as I said coming into the podcast
here, I mean, that's stuff. It just defied all logic. It
did you know we have to shutbars and restaurants down by ten o'clock because
at nine fifty nine COVID can't getyou, but at ten on one it
can. What was it like beingin the middle of the healthcare industry with

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all this. I'm not saying COVIDwas a hoax. I know people died
from it, that is an abjectfact, okay, But to give it
like this blanket treatment that you know, a healthy eighteen year old is just
as vulnerable as a seventy two yearold with three comorbidities, It just didn't

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make any sense. How was thatfor you? Dealing with all that?
Well, it took me a whileto catch up with the reality of what
was going on with COVID, soI, you know, I didn't come
to see that that we had goneoff track until I don't know, we

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were well into twenty twenty one.So I got the first two shots,
and then I was actually signed upto get the the booster, and I'm
not sure where, but I beganto come across the information like when I
when I saw that Fauchie and FrancisCollins had conspired to put down the Great

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Barrington Declaration, I said, waita minute, what let's go. And
they did it surreptitiously, I mean, and then they they you know,
got a bunch of scientists to signon to their their version. And and
then I saw that they had squelled, the scientists who thought, hey,

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this this thing came out of thelab not you know, not a bat,
and and they squelled. Said,I thought, what's going on?
And then just the censorship that wasgoing on, I said, well,
well, I can't people just talkabout it. I mean, why why
you need to censor everything? SoI was signed up to get my booster,
and I thought no, it wasthe next day. I said,

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no, I'm I'm not going todo that. I this this is something's
really gone off track here, andso you know, I I still respected
the virus who was killing people Igot. I got COVID myself, and
I thought, well, I wonderyou know, there there was you know,

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some treatments you should get real realearly on if they're going to help
you. So I had a videoappointment with my doctor remote of appointment.
It was actually a different doctor inmy doctor's office. And I I said,
you know, so I've got COVID, and I mean I felt bad,
but not like I was dying.And I said, what do you

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think about, you know, treatmentsand he said, I figured what I
can't remember the the treatment, hesaid, we we don't have it anyway,
he said, but we talked toHe said, you know, I
think you're going to be fine,and I said, well, I think
I am too. He said,I've had nine patients that died and they

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were all obiques, and you knowyou don't sit that that picture. So
I think you're going to be okay. And I said, well I think
so too. So certain people wereat risks and we should have left people
exercise. We should have been couragethat we sort of you know, talk

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more about that. There's some thingsyou can do to improve your health that
we didn't, and so now Ihave a whole different view of it as
a collected more information cleet. Ithank you for coming on this podcast and
sharing your story. You're not alone. I know you're not alone in how

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many people feel that way but theycan't say anything. You you had the
courage and the conviction to say whatyou believed and look at it from a
purely truth standpoint of medical based evidence, and you realize it was a scam,

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and you realize that it was goingto harm the workplace environment, and
you you did it. But there'sa lot of people that quite frankly,
they're scared, and you know,they're very scared because if you can get
a decent job in healthcare, itpays really well, and then you've got
it like, well what about myfamily? So and uh well, I

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tell you, man, this podcasthas been eye opening. Thank you for
peeling the Wizard's curtain, so tospeak, from back from what's actually going
on. And I wish you thebest of luck in the future. And
I'm I'm glad that you didn't backdown. Thank you, go up.
Thanks thanks for having me on.I hope we inspire more people to step

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out that that's what it will turnthis around, is people saying, hey,
I just think this is wrong andthis is why there's a better way
to go about this set, andthen that will change the thing. So
thanks guys, you're very welcome.Cle take care, Thank you, sir ye