Ep 27- Former Ohio GOP chairman Bob Paduchik

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Episode Transcript

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Jack, it's another wonderful new forus here on Saving Liberty because we've talked
to a lot of different people,but this gentleman right here's probably the one
who's most connected to Donald J.Trump of any of the guests that we
ever bring on, and he isformer Ohio GOP chairman Bob Paduchick. Bob,

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thank you for coming on. Welcometo Saving Liberty. Hey, Josh
and Jack. It's great to beon the podcast here with you all and
looking forward to having some quality discussion. Absolutely, and there's a lot to
take there's a lot to take in. Yeah, I want to go.

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I guess start off the back rightnow is where are you right now in
terms of feeling of confidence, feelingof moving forward that you know, Ohio
has got a big general general electioncoming up in November. We know what

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is on the agenda, we knowwhat's trying to be pushed, and I
just want to know, you knowwhat, what kind of efforts are we
doing here in Ohio. How confidentare you that the voters are not going
to allow you know, babies tobe aborted up until birth and to allow
kids to pick their own gender,which we know the manipulative language that they're

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using on what will be issue one. We know it's a lie, and
so I'm just I'm just wandering froma strategic standpoint, Bob, how are
you feeling? Well? See,that's that's the challenge there on this is
that you they have, uh,they have crafted very carefully. The left

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is crafted probably the most liberal abortionrules that they could possibly have in the
state of Ohio. The way theydo that is they have everything is dependent
upon the quote unquote health of themother, which is something that's determined by
the doctor that's that's conducting the abortion, and that basically allows a situation where

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they can have abortion up until upuntil the child is born. And that
is something that very very few Ohioand support. And so while if this
were just debated on the fact thatthis if every voter walking in, or
every voter in the polling booth,or every voter that picked up an absolute
ballot knew that this thing would bedefeated catastrophically, I think the challenge is

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going to be for the people thatare running the campaign to make sure that
voters know and understand what they're actuallyvoting on here. And unfortunately that is
that is very difficult task for them. I don't know if we've ever talked
about this, Josh or Jack,but but you know, I'm I'm Eastern

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Orthodox, so I'm one hundred percentpro life. But you know, you
have to look at these things ina clinical manner, which I know each
of you do at times too aswell, and in handicapping it. It's
it's going to be a tough fight. There's no doubt about it. Yeah,
it's it's interesting, right, Imean, there's enough here to blow
your gasket on one issue. Imean, you you hit it the nail

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on the head when you talked about, uh, this would allow abortion up
to birth for and I'm going tosay it, you didn't say it,
but for matters of convenience. Ifmaybe it's it's financial health, maybe it's
social health. So you've got thatissue. And so it's getting people to
understand, like seventy nine percent ofAmericans oppose or in favor of, you

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know, some sort of protections fifteenweeks and below, when when you're all
the way out here up to upto birth, ten percent of Americans,
ninety percent of them do not favorwhat is in this amendment. So you've
got that, but then you alsohave this other issue. You know,
parental consent has become a standard inthe United States because Americans know there's a
fundamental difference between children and adults.If your kid scrapes his or her knee

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and the school wants to give himor her a tailan aw, they need
your consent, but they don't wantyou to have consent in order for the
child to maybe have an abortion orgender transition. And you have activists now
at least on video, saying kidsare bullied first by parents, these wacko
alt right parents who have these reallystrict, dumb old, you know values,

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they're the ones bullying the kids.So I think, so you've got
like two rabbits here, and what'sthe old adage, chase to get none.
What do you think the winning formulais? Do we point to the
abortion radical issue or do we gohey, over here, the state's going
to take over your kids. Soso, so, I have not seen
any poland and I'm not involved inthe campaign. I've offered to help these

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folks, but nobody's really expressed anyinterest in opinion on these things. But
I've talked to different people, andas you all do, you know,
and talk to other folks on this. The challenge with the transgender aspect of
the languages, it is so preposterousthat it borders on the unbelievable. And

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what I mean by that is isI'll go back and do a little history
here. So when John Glenn,the hero astronaut, ran for the United
States Senate against Howard Metzembomb, heattacked Metzembomb on a child pornography bill that
or piece of legislation that Metzebomb supportedthat softened penalties on child pornographers, and

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he attacked Metsembomb on it, andhe failed to win in the Democrat primary.
And so when George Boinevich ran againsthim in the general election, he
took that issue and he ran hardwith it. The problem was it was
so bizarre, uh, in termsof people processing that mets and bomb would
actually support such a thing as this, that nobody believed it. It was

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an outrage factor. This is sooutrageous that the voters said, well,
that can't be true. That's nota real attack. That's that's that's fake.
And and that's what might happen onthat issue here is because people wouldn't
believe that the school could possibly allowa child to go, you know,
do something that that could create irreparabledamage without you know, consent with a

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parent that that it's so preposterous thatthat they don't believe it, and that
makes it even harder to sell thatargument. I've never seen a time like
the one we're living in this timelinewhere being a good parent, as Jack
kind of touched on, is seenas the wrong thing the by the media,

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by celebrities, by all these influencesthat if you are a parent and
you you know, lay down thelaw, and it's like, okay,
Johnny, I don't care if youwant to wear a dress, you're not
You're a boy. End the story. You're psychologically damaging the child. It
motive and plus, Bob, youlook at it, there's a movement among

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gen Zu kid people, they don'twant kids. It's like we are literally
breeding ourselves out of existence, outof and by I think this is all
on by design. I think theless American independent individual Americans we birth into,

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then that speeds up the fall ofWestern civilization. But when you look
at this, where's the incentive towant to be a good parent For couples
thinking like, wow, should weraise our kids, and then they look
around and see the madness that's goingon and they're absolutely horrified. So we
wonder why we have declining birth rates. We wonder why we're losing more people

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every year in this country and notreplacing them. It is it is like
there's this death cult wish. Idon't understand it, Bob. Well,
well go ahead, Jack, Ithink you were going to say something.
Oh no, no, I he'sspot on. No, I go ahead,
I'm gonna let you have the stachhere yea so so so so.
A lot of this is by design. Jesse Kelly has a good book called

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The Anti Communist Manifesto, and whileit could have some more meat on the
bones in certain places, it's actuallypretty logical explanation this. I mean,
the left has tried very hard todestroy the institutions of this country. First
the first uh, first the culturalinstitutions like religious faith and so on,

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and then they undermine the family toa point now where they you know,
the argument they're making is the statecan be a better parent to your children
than you. And and this isit's it's diabolical. It's exactly what some
of these leftists want to do.Now, there's a whole portion of the

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population that just again it goes backto like this is so crazy that some
people just refuse to believe that it'seven possible. I mean, we know
differently because you've got to take theleft of its word. When they say
they're going to do this stuff,that's that's what they're doing. You got
in in the actions follow follow therhetoric here, it's it's diabolical, it's

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taken place. But I will tellyou they are voters out there that just
don't that that never hear about it, that aren't exposed to it because the
because of the way the corporate mediaworks in this world. That's why your
podcast, the radio program and theBlazer shows six ten, the other programs
there are so important because it getsin for it gets counter information out.

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So so your listeners are are aresome of the most informed people in the
state of Ohio and probably in thecountry because they're hearing this debate where they're
not hearing it anywhere else. Andthat's vital. So as you look down
the line here and we're heading intoNovember and we have issue one, and
then I would expect your strategists you'reprobably looking into twenty four and what's going

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on in the Senate race there andthen the race for the big House there
on Pennsylvania Avenue. Is this thetype of issue that is going to move
the needle? Or should we befocused And when I say we should voter,
our voter is going to be focusedon energy, economy, housing.
What do you think is really goingto shape what happens in twenty four So

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different voters are going to focus ondifferent things. And what's unique about this
and this hasn't happened since eighteen ninetysix, where you've had a former president
running against the current president. Andso you've seen four years of Joe Biden,
you've seen four years of Donald J. Trump, and you're able to
make a decision that most elections youcan't make because if you remember in twenty

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twenty, you know, Biden's wassort of like portrayed as this kind of
like he's gonna like heal the country. He's gonna be like Obama, He's
gonna fix things. Now we knowObama didn't fix anything, and he certainly
didn't heal the country. In factthat Obama is the beginning of most of
the problems that we have in thiscountry right now on the right and mo
left, And I think that thatthe individual voters will make decisions based on

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different things. Patriots like your listeners, are are going to be focused on
taking back their country and restoring constitutionalorder, making sure that that this this
dual justice system that we have inthis country stops. There will be other
people that will vote on the economy. There will be people that vote against

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Joe Biden because the guy can barelymake a coherent statement. And there'll be
others that that that'll that'll look ateach other and say the lesser two evils
and cast about that way. Youknow, you have committed people on the
left that are going to vote forany Democrat. You committed people on the
right that are going to vote forany Republican. Patriots the middle, which

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has gotten a little bit bigger,is going to be a tipping point here
and again they're going to be they'regoing to have a choice that they know
what they're gonna get. They're gonnaget, you know, four more years
of what we have the last threeyears, or they're going to get four
more years of the prosperity have wehad with President Trump. I gotta ask
you, when's the last time youspoke with President Trump? Uh? In

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New Jersey, we had dinner withsome members of the Ohio congressional delegation that
we're endorsing his campaign, and Iam on board with the campaign and full
disclosure, I started September one.So we're going through the delegate selection process
now to in Ohio, the delegatesare to the convention for each candidate are

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chosen by the campaigns, So we'regoing through that process now, and then
those people are actually their names aren'ton the ballot, but the way the
system in Ohio works is they're theones that run and they use the president's
name. So when you vote inMarch next year, you'll be voting for

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Donald Trump. But if you werevoting in the twelfth Congressional district and Josh
Sees is the Republican delegate from thetwelfth Congressional District, one of the three
delegates there, then you're actually votingfor Josh. You can imagine such a
thing. I've always been fascinated.I knew I learned that because I went

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to my Boy was it my junioryear. I went up to Buckeye Boy
state in Bowling Green and learn,Yeah, and learning how the whole primary
system works, and in the stateof Ohio and all that. It's a
it's a flashback to the past.But yeah, that was its It's amazing
how simple on one level but complex. Our our our constitutional republic is here.

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Yeah, and and and a lotof these rules are determined by the
party structure. Each state party makesrules and determines how they're gonna select.
There's some some are different than others. And but I mean, like again,
I I disclose it. I workfor President Trump's campaign, but I
think at this point it's hard toimagine him not being the nominee. Yeah,

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I was. I was just gonnasay, it's it is really difficult
to do that. Uh, youknow, I know what you know Ronald
Reagan's you know, commandment, thoushall not talk nasty about a fellow Republican.
U. I'm not going to evenask you about the other candidates because
you're you're a Trump guy. Andit's not that I don't think you have
anything against any of the other candidatesin partake, well I do. Chris

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Chrissy can kiss my ass there.I said, he'll be wearing a mask,
so he'll be wearing. And bythe way, my ass is a
lot less smaller than Chris Christie's assnow, so I got even on his
even on his revamped exercise program.Yes, you know, Josh, I
have. I haven't seen you sincethe transition. It's been that long.
I know, a couple of timesto do the program, but I've got

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to see the lean mean, you'vebecome fifty two pounds now. Bobby's very
spelt. It's very spelt, man, He's he's at his fighting weight.
Bobby's looks lean and mean. Ibet I might not even recognize you.
Man. Well, I you knowwhat, I look around, and I'm

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going to be sixty when my youngestgraduates high school, and I'll be damned
if I'm not going to dance ather wedding and my son's wedding and then
my middle daughter's wedding. There's noway. So I had to not not
a lot of really big eighty fiveyear old guys wandering the planet, if
you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely, and and really, at
the end of the day, that'swhat it's all about, is getting to

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enjoy your kids and grandkids as muchas you can Yeah. Yeah. So
the last the last poll that Isaw, I think it was Friday and
Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Trump'sup to I think if if NICKI Haley
is his running mate, and youknow this is pre all of these court
hearings, I see two things there. I see, well, you know,

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the plus or minus, it's probablya dead heat. How does the
I think you've got two things inplay here. You've got all of the
issues of Joe Biden and there,I mean, what a dumpster fire.
But then you've also got the distractionand taxing of Donald Trump on all of
these various legal issues. Uh,do you think the people in the middle

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ground, Because I think you're righton Bob, there's hardcore left, hardcore
right. They're not moving, Butyou've got this middle ground. Do you
think people are going, Man,there's a two tier justice system here.
Donald Trump, I mean, he'sundergoing a tremendous amount of lawfare and given
nothing's built, nothing's back, nothing'sbetter. I'm going to pull the lever
for him. How do you seethat playing out? So I do think

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that there it depends. I thinkthat they've miscalculated the left has in the
Democrats on this. I think theythought that they could do these indictments and
it would hurt him and make himless electable. There is a certain idea
among American voters, in particular Ohiovoters, of a sense of fairness.

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It's one of the reasons why Ithink Issue one lost in August as the
people didn't think it didn't seem fair, the concept didn't didn't sound very fair.
And I think we'll vote. Voterswill look at this and they'll see,
you know, all these indictments,the goat rodeo that it is going
on, and when this stuff goesto trial and you start talking about some

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of the evidence, it allows,it allows it saves the campaign on some
some kind of messaging issues. Imean, because if this is front and
center and people are looking at itand they're seeing the facts and the facts
don't rise to the alleged crimes here, because they just don't, and you

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know, I think that people will, you know, it allows us to
make a stronger argument. So Ithink they miscalculated. And it shows you,
though, the level of hatred thatthey have for him, And it
also I think shows you how stronghe is and how how he just keeps
going I mean when I was withhim last month in Bedminster, he looked

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the same as he did in twentysixteen when I first met him. Yeah,
he's a hard charger for sure.And that's regardless of how you feel
about him. You got to lookat him and go, wow, he
just does not stop. And soyou know, I had a question here
and it just slipped where it was. I go, oh, so you
asked, or you said, Bobthat the facts are going to come out.

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I'm gonna go and you might youprobably have more faith than I do
in the system, And I'm justbeing really blunt. I go back to
January sixth commission in the absolute clustermess that first, and the fact that
nobody, nobody wanted to talk aboutall of the facts. Nobody wanted to
report all the facts. In fact, they wanted to stand on their soapboxes

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and pretty much have Donald Donald Trumphanged in the city square. Do you
think, even though these trials aregoing to happen, do you think the
facts will get reported. I thinkthat that some of it will. A
lot of it won't. But again, you know, the people are still
getting informed, People still are arehearing things. I mean, they don't

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have a complete control over the mediain this country, the corporate media.
But but but but information still getsout. I mean yeah, I mean
you become aware of stuff, youshare it with your listeners, folks on
the podcast, folks on the radio, when you all are on the radio,
and so the information is making itsway, and shockingly, I think

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that in some ways voters are betterinformed. And I think a lot of
people out there, they look atCNN and MSNBC and they they they this
is like RT It's like state runmedia. That's that's a great analogy,
it is, and that shows upin the polling. I mean, people,
people do not the trust and journalismtoday is is tanked and uh and

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it's been that way because of allof the fake hoaxes and everything else that
they've thrown at President Trump has beendebunked. Yeah. Yeah, there's no
question, Bob. This is alast question for you. I know,
you want to go out to dinnerwith your family tonight, are you?
I look around, I know Iam concerned that they're trying to bring ramp

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up this COVID stuff again and talkingabout masks, you know, hinting at
masks and get your updated booster atall. Boy, this variant is going
to be really bad. I am. I'm really worried that they're going to
use as an excuse to pull anotherelection. Shenanigan. Is that something you
worry about too? Well? Iknow, because I think I think that

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that in a lot of these instances, they get away with it once,
they don't get away with it twice. So so if you look at the
ballant harvesting that took place in Californiain the twenty eighteen election cycle, we
had more than a handful of Republicansthat were up a couple thousand votes on
election Day in California, and thenon all the ballot of harvesting came in,

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these guys were gone, you know. And and then in the twenty
twenty election, a lot of thoseseats got won back, and the Republicans
had figured out the bout harvesting thingthat was going on and they counteracted it.
I think the the chicanery that tookplace during the pandemic, the suspension

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of rules and the changes of normalvoting, I think that, you know,
was it was a one time thing, and I don't think people will
stand for it again. Yeah,I don't think you're going to be able
to bring back the uh the restrictionsfull boar again like that. Well,
listen, Bob, it's been apleasure talking to you and picking your brain.

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And you're as connected in conservative politicsas anybody I know. But you
know we're going to keep fighting agood fight on our end. I know
you're going to do what you needto do and work. This constitutional republic
of ours is hanging on by athread. People have got to share information,
people have got to be active,because once it's gone, it's gone

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and we'll never get it back.Yeah, and that's why what you and
Jack are doing are so important,Josh is as having this podcast spreading the
word. You both are doing finework. I appreciate everything you're doing,
not just as conservative but just asan American because both sides need to have
a chance to say their say,and we just have to work harder.

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We have to fight against so manydifferent institutions that are against us, but
it makes us sharper, it makesus more effective, and I while I
don't have a lot of faith inthe current system, I do have a
lot of faith in our ability toprevail, and I think we will all
right, Bob. Yeah, perfect, that's let's put a bow on it.
Bob, thanks so much. Thankstake care of Jack, Take care

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jacko BO. Thank you.