Ep 28- Women and children are under attack in Ohio this fall

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Episode Transcript

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Jack. We've talked a lot aboutIssue one coming up on the Saving Liberty
podcasts. We've talked, you know, in depth about the sneaky hidden language,
but it's getting closer. They're rampingup the ads. They're using these
really emotionally manipulating ads, especially thisone of a couple. It's like,

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we found out at eighteen weeks thatour baby was dead and we weren't going
to an abortion was the only way. See, no, there wasn't an
abortion that because your baby wasn't goingto survive. That was a life saving
medical procedure. But it's things likethis that the pro Issue one people keep

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doing over and over and over sothat they're psychologically and emotionally manipulating women and
men in the state of Ohio tothink that the heartless conservative legislature wants to
make sure that women are dying inthe back alleys having abortions. You know
that, Oh it doesn't matter,it doesn't matter if your baby dies in

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the womb, you got to carryit to term. Lie after lie after
lie, and I have really yetto see the nose side hit the airwaves,
and that's why we decided that itwas time to talk Issue want to
get on this show, and you'vegot somebody you know fairly well on tonight.

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Tell us about our guest. Yes, so we're going. We're joined
by Logan Church. First of all, Logan, welcome to Saving Liberty.
How are you. I'm doing well, Thanks for having me on. Guys.
Absolutely Logan. You are political directorat Catholic Vote Ohio, and you
submitted an op ed to the OhioPress Network that we were happy to publish,

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seeing beyond euphemisms, women and childrenare under attack in Ohio this fall,
and I'm gonna encourage everyone to searchthat up and read the article.
Several salient points, we'll talk aboutsome of them, but I want to
start where Josh started, because thisis important. There is a commercial,
as he said, claiming that ectopicpregnancies are not something that can be dealt

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with, and that miscarriages represent anabortion, and that a female cannot get
the appropriate care. So you haveeuphemisms and then you have straight out lies.
How are you dealing with that bsargument that ectopic pregnancies and miscarriages can't
be handled in a safe medical way. Yeah. So, I mean,

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first of all, it's really unfortunatethought. This is another example of the
left just shamelessly lying to voters totry to get their way, and it's
really sad to see them manipulate womenwho they claim to care about so much
to try and get them to votein a way that actually harms them drastically,
you know, working for Catholic vote. You know, obviously the Catholic
Church has a strong stance on abortion, and we've always had a strong stance

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on abortion. But ectopic pregnancies arenot abortion. That is life saving,
like that is a life saving procedure, and miscarriages. I mean, how
unfortunate to even imply or say thatthat's even in the same field as an
abortion. And truly it's offensive towomen and mothers all over the state who
are having to hear that. Andso first off, we just want to

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get out in front of it andsay this is not true. This is
not the stance of our party,this is not the stance of the vote
No campaign, and it's definitely notthe stance of the Catholic Church. So
there they being the folks who wantto make sure that they can amend the
Constitution with and I'm not going tomake any bones about it. This is
a radical abortion amendment. But it'smore than that. So they want to

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make it about abortion because abortion issomething that people can emotionally react and respond
to, and it crosses party lines. But in your article, I want
to read this because it's super important. Parental consent has become standard in the
United States because Americans know there isa fundamental difference between children and adults.

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It is why children may not drive, purchase alcohol, or smoke cigarettes.
If you are a parent and yourson or daughter scrape their knee at a
public school, the school administration wouldneed written or at the very least verbal
consent to give your child pailana.But this proposed amendment logan, it shreds

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that. It shreds what we areused to, what we hold dear,
which is, as a parent,I have a right to parent, rear,
educated, or direct the education ofmy child. Remind our listeners what
this will do and why they don'twant the cat out of the bag on
this. Yeah, absolutely so.I think one thing that's important to remember

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that, you know, the morethat the Left tries to make this entirely
about abortion, the more we needto be talking about the other topics here,
because they're using abortion as a techniqueto try to push a lot of
other really scary things, which I'msure we'll dive into deeper, but one
of them being attacking printal rights atthe root. At the root, which
is your right to raise your child. And they're trying to make it where

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the government is raising our children.And we see that when they when they're
pushing the eight hour school days,they're trying to shut down homeschooling, they're
trying to shut down school choice.They want to have the right to decide
everything for our children, and nowthey think they have the right to decide
major healthcare decisions for our kids withouteven consulting us. And so what's so
scary about this is, you know, it kind of seems like far away

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for a lot of parents because theyfeel like they know their kids, they're
in touch with what their kids needsand their kids wants. But at the
end of the day, when they'react, they have our kids eight hours
a day, and they're able toaccess them on that front, and now
they're able to say, hey,your child can go get an abortion or
change their sex without even talking toyou, without you even knowing that it's
happening, and nevertheless, without evenneeding your consent. It's terrifying to even

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think that that's that's something that couldbe a reality here in Ohio. You
know, I've heard stories of counselors, health whatever you want to call them,
teachers, indoctrinators, what have you, on a middle school and high
school level, that are actually keepingbinders and tuckers. For anybody who doesn't

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know, a binder is a rapdesigned to go around a young lady's breasts
so that it doesn't show her development, it doesn't show her breast, it
makes her less female, less feminine. And because this person is attempting to

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pass themselves off as a boy,a tucker is literally used for young males
to essentially stuff their genitals down intime, down inside their body so that
there's no I guess the bulge ifyou will, or you know, any
indication that this is a male.And because they're trying to pass themselves off

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as a female, and these areadults, These are adults that are conditioning
these children, telling them, Hey, if you're really curious, I have
this, this, and that go. I cannot explain to you what would
happen to an adult who gave mydaughter a binder or my son a tucker.

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And because if that is the case, why is it all done in
secret? Ask yourself, if theytruly had the best interest of our children
at heart, why are things likebinders and tuckers given way done in the
don't tell mom and dad. Itis beyond disgusting it to me, it's
it reeks of literal evil. Yeah, I agree, one hundred percent.

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It's terrifying to know that our kidsare being accessed at a level that we
don't even you know, it's hardto know it, especially with cell phones
now in the Internet, and youknow, our kids have access to so
many things that it's hard for usto control as is, and now we're
actively working with the government, activelyworking against us and trying to push these
sorts of ideas on our children.I mean, it's terrifying to know that

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this is a reality, and it'sso important that parents wake up. It's
I constantly hear from parents and justpeople in general that say, well,
how do you do what you doevery day? So you know, I
work on the national level. I'mthe national political director for govin got so
I deal with a lot of scary, like sad things every day. That's
part of my job, it's partof my reality. And so I have

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people constantly saying to me, howdo you do that? How do you
see that every day and not getdisheartened? You know, I just have
to shut it off. I justcan't listen to it, and it just
like I just want to like shakepeople and say, hey, wake up.
You can't shut it off. Itmakes you uncomfortable. For a reason,
you should be uncomfortable. You shouldbe upset by this stuff, which
is exactly why you need to belistening to it and looking at it and

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sharing it. And this is agood example of that. We just came
through a period of time where wewere regulated like no other in recollection in
my lifetime, that is, andwe heard about protecting the basic health and
wellness of the collective right of thecommunity of people around us. Well.

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Interestingly, we at the top ofthe show talked about the lie that ectopic
pregnancies and miscarriages are being lied about. The other thing I guess that that
they're lying about here has to dowith the true health of the woman,
because this abortion really kind of takesthe ball or the bat out of the

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ob G I n you know Iwould call real doctors. Sorry if that
offends anybody, and it puts itin the hands of an abortionist, isn't
that the case? And is thisIs this going to actually erase protections that
would that would help women be morewell at a critical time and pregnancy.
Yeah, I mean absolutely at theend of the day, When when you

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see in the amendment it talks aboutthe provider, you know that that's a
pretty broad broad word for a reason. I mean, there are a lot
of people who provide abortions, whowho failed out of medical school. And
not only like putting all of thataside, this amendment would also take away
the requirement to counsel a woman andmake sure she's under a doctor's watch,

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so that way, if something goeswrong during the abortion, she's able to
get to a hospital and able tohave that life saving care that she might
need. Nobody wants to talk aboutthe fact that the abortion industry is already
one of the least regulated medical industriesbecause everyone's afraid to put regulations on abortion
because then they're the bad guy.Right, So, I mean, women
are already risking their lives when theyhave these abortions, and now you're taking

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away the one very small protection thatthey had. So now they're having this
very dangerous procedure and they're treating itlike it's an outpatient procedure, which is
why so many women are bleeding outin abortion centers as is, and now
it's just going to get worse.You know. Another disturbing thing about this
is that since it's codified as thelanguage has been, and you've taught to

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constitutional experts who pointed out that basicallyhealth is an all encompassing word that if
the health of the mother is threatened, well what if that's emotional health?
What if that's financial health? Soyou're telling me at seven, six,
seven, eight months, God forbidup to nine months if a woman's having

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an emotional time dealing with her pregnancy. Because we have three children, I
know my wife had was a gluttonyof hormones and emotions and good days and
bad days. Right, it happens. Sometimes those bad days would last for
a week, but then it gotbetter. This opens Pandora's box to basically

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saying, you know what I've themore I've thought about it, I know
I've been carrying this child for sixdays, seven months or whatever, but
I just can't deal with it anymore. My emotional health's breaking down. I
need to take care of that.In that case, that woman can get
an abortion, can't she under thisproposal one? Yeah, you hit the

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nail on the head there. Andat the end of the day, I
think it's super concerning because you're right, like women's hormones are up and down
throughout pregnancy, and there are alot of fears that go into you know,
oh my gosh, I have ababy inside me, this is about
to become a reality. Can Ido this? Am I ready? You
know those? I think every newmother can relate to those fears, even

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once you are excited about having thatkid, not to mention ones who are
coming into it and maybe not soideal circumstances. And the left constantly says,
well, oh well, nobody hasle term abortion and somebody's doing that.
Okay, then why are you tryingto pass that. If nobody has
abortions at nine months, why dowe need them? Why is that in
this amendment? If nobody has it, nobody's going to use it take it

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out. But they don't want todo that, you know why, because
they want to make it normal.They want to normalize people feeling comfortable having
abortions at eight and nine months.Nobody does it, you know, according
to the statistics, because it hasn'tbeen legal. So yeah, of course
the statistics show that nobody's done itbecause this is all new for us.
Well, and let's get real scaryhere, very scary. Not your OBGYN,

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but you could go to an abortionistdoctor and they can determine the vibe
quote unquote viability of your child.Now, I'm sorry, the last time
I kind of looked at things andmy thought about my constitutional political science days,
there's a direct financial interest for thatabortionist doctor to say, yeah,

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nah, I don't think it's viable. And because they are all licensed physician,
which don't even get me started.We could do a whole two hour
show just on why abortion doctors areconsidered license physicians like you know, our
primary care doctors. But I digress, But that is really scary when you

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can skip going to your normal O. B. G. Y N.
The man or woman who's been thereguiding your pregnancy along since since the beginnings,
showing you the pictures and ultrasound andheartbeat and checking up on you.
No, not not them, anabortionist could determine the viability of your baby,

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and they have a lot of financialreasons to tell you it's not viable.
And this is a necessary procedure,isn't that right? Yeah, And
you know there's a reason when peoplewant to say, oh, I'm you
know, playing parenthood. There's allkinds of things for women. Don't worry.
Well, now they spend all oftheir time and resources on abortions because
that's the money maker. Ultrasounds willmake the money killing babies does, and

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so yeah, that's where the moneyis. So that's what they're going to
do. And you know, nobodywants to say that because it's uncomfortable,
but it's the truth. I thinkwe tend to allow our egos to get
in the way and we start practicingwhat I call cognitive dissonance. Right,
it's not going to happen to me. You might happen to other people.
But I think those are the twomajor points here that need to be addressed

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and addressed continuously. The first ismy kids typical, this is not going
to affect my child, right,And then the second one is, oh,
my goodness, there is no way, there's absolutely no way that any
court's going to interpret this as awoman can have an abortion, can kill
a healthy child for whatever reason atthe whim of an abortion doctor or a

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miner, can transition genders or Godforbid, a predator has sex with a
child, and then the child doesn'twant to tell mom and dad because the
child's terrified that they're gonna get introuble. And then all of a sudden,
nobody can ask questions child gets anabortion. People just don't think it's
real. I mean, those tome are the two things right, because
I genuinely believe in the state ofOhio we want things to be done fairly.

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You said, only ten percent ofAmericans support this type of thing,
and seventy two percent support abortion fifteenweeks in below. So when I look
at those things, I go,there's this thing doesn't have a snowballs chance
in hades except the cognitive dissonance andthe false messaging. Yeah, absolutely well,

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I think, like, let's talkabout that a little bit more.
It won't happen to me. Howmany times have we said that over the
past probably fifty years in politics.I mean, who thought that we were
going to shut down churches and keepabortion clinics open in twenty twenty, like
nobody thought that was going to happenuntil it did, and that was our
reality. And then we're trying toforce people to get vaccines if they don't

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want to get Nobody thought that wasgoing to happen, but it did.
And here we are today where they'retrying to take away the parents' right to
know even just know what's happening withour kids. And everyone wants to say,
well, you know that this isit doesn't seem real. It seems
like political talking points, and itis real. It is happening. We're

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seeing it right across the border inMichigan. They're pushing all kinds of legislation
that's going to just erase anything anyresemblance of quote unquote common since abortion ideas
such as fifteen weeks or you know, checking on the woman's health. It's
anything goes for taxpayer funded abortions.And where can I see that here in
Ohio, not just with adults,but with our children too. I'm not

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personally Catholic, but a lot ofmy family are Catholic. And one of
the things that you know, I'vealways appreciated about the Catholic faith is the
dedication to protecting life. I'm notgoing to try to I don't know all
of you know, Catholicisms, dogmasand inner teachings and whatnot. I don't,

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so I don't want to speak ison something I'm ignorant about. But
it is disturbing to me, andI wonder, how are you handling it
that you we're seeing in certain diocese, certain parishes, a pushback you know
against well it's not you know,abortion. When it feels like there's a

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a riff a split amongst some Catholicsabout whether or not abortion is good,
bad or is it moral, it'sdisheartening to me. And it feels like
the church itself, and if youdon't feel comfortable speaking on this, fine,
but it feels like there's been aninfiltration of almost like a demonic influence

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within the church to get Catholics toquestion what has been held as sacred doctrine
for millennia. And I just it'sdisheartening to me because you know, there
was the one thing you know,you could at least for me growing up,
and I'm forty one, was thatyou knew the stance of the Catholic

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Church when it came to same sexmarriage, and when it came to abortion,
and that we know in God's eyes, out of the mouths of Jesus
himself, that they are not tobe had, they are against God's will.
How are you feeling right now?And what is going on within the

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church and what kind of conversations arehave are being had that you go twenty
years ago we would have never hadthis conversation. Yeah, So, you
know, So I worked on politicalcampaigns and policy and a couple of state
houses for about eight years. Andwhen I decided to get involved with Catholic
voters because I'm a faithful Catholic whobelieves in the mission of the Catholic Church

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and believes that if we truly believewhat we're hearing in the pews on Sundays,
we should be voting like that onTuesday. And I was always wanting
to get involved in some sort oforganization where I could do both, and
so it is really exciting that Iget to do both Jesus and politics.
And that's kind of always been mything. And so the Catholic Church has
always been very strong on a coupleof big issues in life being the main

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one, and so you know,with life being a pre eminent issue,
that's a non negotiable with the countthe church. So I have been you
know, I was a little upsetwith August. You know, it was
kind of hard to get all thediocese on board and all the churches on
board. Some areas were super active, other areas less so. But when
it's come to November, the CatholicConference has kind of been like the buck

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stops here. They've been really helpful. They've been pushing it with their bishops,
and they have been pushing it onthe parish level with their priests.
And so I have been pleased withhow active they have been with the Ballad
initiative, because typically Catholic conferences don'tget involved. So they have done a
good job there as far as discrepancieswithin the church, without within the lay

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people inside the church, or maybea couple of priests here and there.
You know, the Catholic Church standsis on life. It's stands on life.
I mean that's not going anywhere.It's not moving. You know,
as a Catholic, you can excommunicateyourself by being pro abortion. So that
is a pretty strong thing to excommunicate, to be excommunicated from the church.

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So you know, I would sayany one who is saying, oh,
you know, I'm I'm personally prochoice, well, then you're not living
out the topic period. You can'tbe Catholic and pro abortion. It can
happen, it doesn't exist. Itgoes against everything that we believe. Well
said, and I would expect nothingless. You're a fantastic writer. I

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said that on the show earlier,and I appreciate the article that you wrote.
You can check it out at theOhio Press network dot com. So,
you know, sometimes you can missthe forest through the trees, and
I think it's important to elevate andget a thirty thousand foot view of what's
going on, and a couple ofthings. I wonder if there is a

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path forward to make sure that inNovember wins. I believe that there is.
And I say that in combination withthis thirty thousand foot view, because
I think this view kind of allowsyou to start triangulating, putting the dots
together and go, oh, mygoodness, this is where we are,

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this is where we're headed. Youmentioned something earlier about the American Medical Association
and pedophilia. What do you thinkthat is about, And do you think
that that is at all linked tothis movement that we're seeing now in Ohio,
it was in Michigan, it willbe in other states throughout the country.
I believe they're using this as abell weather. You know, it's

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a purple or a red state.If we can get it done here,
we can get it done everywhere.What are you seeing from thirty thousand feet
And do you think that other peopleare seeing it? And is that going
to create the path forward? Longway around the barn to ask that question?
But there it is. Yeah,I mean, so this topic,
this is probably the part that getsme heated the most about this whole thing.
And I wish, I wish wecould get everyone to hear this.

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If they take away anything, thisis what they need to take away.
So the American Medical Association for overa decade now has been trying to drop
pedophilia from being a disorder down tobeing a sexual preference. So what that
means is they would put it onan even playing field with same sex attraction
and you know, a man anda woman, man and a man,

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whatever, it's all just it's alla preference whoever you like. And so
that movement's been going on for overa decade now, which is probably shocking
to most people, but unfortunately itis true, and they are entering very
close to the finish line there.And so how does that tie into what
we're doing here and what we're dealingwith not only in Ohio but across the
nation, especially with the twelve statesthat will be targeting in twenty twenty four.

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So when you have situations where youhave a side a party trying to
defend grown men working in the facesof our children for dollar bills, Yeah,
I don't know how you describe thatother than it's it's pedophilia, right,
Like that is pedophilia behavior. Andnow we have this amendment in Ohio
that's that's possibly going to go intoour constitution that says, if my daughter

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finds herself in a dangerous relationship witha pedophile and I don't know anything about
it, she can get pregnant andthen be coerced into having an abortion and
nobody's gonna tell me, Meaning mydaughter is still in that unsafe situation with
a pedophile and there's nothing I cando about it because I don't even know
about it. And so yes,I think it's all interconnected. I think

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it's terrifying. And again it fallsback onto the will not my kid,
Well, yes, your kid.It's very possible one out of four children
find themselves in some sort of abusivesituation with an adult, a sexual abuse
situation, and so one out offour children, that statistic is terrifying.
And now you're telling me that it'sgoing to be a preference. Absolutely not.

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We really appreciate your time, yourpassion, your energy, your commitment
to making sure Issue one is defeated. Again by the way, I've had
some people are like, hey,I got I got I vote yes signs
on Issue one will be in nono no, no, no no no
no. August was vote yes onIssue one. This is no vote no
November. Yeah November. So justto clarify that, but appreciate your time,

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like I said, and everything you'redoing. I'll give you the final
statement here on the end of thisSaving Liberty podcast. Yeah. Well,
thank you guys so much for havingme on. I'd love to continue having
these conversations with you. Guys.Yeah, we're all on the front lines
here. I want to say thankyou for the listeners. I know you
guys are getting out there and youguys are doing your part to fight this
good fight. Check out Catholic votedot org slash Ohio to find out more

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about what we're doing on the parishlevel in Ohio. If you're Catholic,
if you're not Catholic, so freeto still reach out because we fight for
faith, family freedom, not justin Ohio but all across the nation,
so we'd love for you to getinvolved with us on the front lines.
Logan Church, thank you for savingliberty. Thanks guys, God bless have

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a good one.