Ep 30- A black pastor taliks about Issue 1

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Episode Transcript

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Getting closer and closer to the electionon November the seventh, and we've got
you know, Issue one is themost forefront issue in the state of Ohio,
is it not, Jack? Itabsolutely is h and it's I've seen
so much money poured into the yesside. I'm finally seeing some television on

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the no side. But it's stillquite disportional, I'll put it that way.
And since my goodness, yeah,is it it's it's it's four weeks
from tomorrow, a writer, threeweeks. It's three weeks from tomorrow.
Weeks wow, three weeks. Andit is the most important issue on a
ballot here in the state of Ohio. And to give a little different perspective

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than you know, Jack and Iis kind of more hardcore conservative viewpoint,
But we're not the only ones whoare against this. Those who are in
the religious community, those churches,those pastors who've had the courage to stand
up and say, you know,stop the slaughter of these innocent children.

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Don't do this. And then,even more importantly, and this is where
we're going to get into a differentangle of what abortion has done for the
black community. And when I sayfour I mean when it's taken away and
the history, you know, evenof planned parenthood. What was Margaret Sanger's

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goal. Well, we're gonna exploresome of those issues and more tonight about
Issue one. And I'm very happyto welcome to the Saving Liberty Podcast Pastor
Brian Williams of Hope City House aprayer and Columbus Pastor Williams, thank you
so much for being here tonight.Good eting, and thank you guys for
inviting me on. I'm excited totalk about this really important issue. Absolutely.

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I guess my first instinct is toask you when you sat down and
you actually got to read the truelanguage of how Issue one is written and
what it will do, what itwill allow opening I think a very evil
Pandora's box in the state of Ohio. Were you shocked that you were?

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Were you as shocked as we werethat they were being as deceptive in the
language as they have been, becauseI know, Jack and I've been railing
against that because I don't think ifyou just hear it, you go,
oh, well, you know,sometimes women have miscarriages, they need to
have a procedure. This is nothinglike this. This will allow for children
to be slaughtered in and up tonine months up into birth based on the

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quote you know, the health ofthe individual reproducer. What when you saw
that and you read that and yourealize how bad this issue was. How
did your heart sink? Did youpray? What did you do? Yeah?
I mean I think that, asyou stated, the language is so
ambiguous, but I think it's evenworse than that. There is a plan

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behind that language to be as vagueas possible, to attempt to pull that
kind of wool over the eyes ofthe average reader. And so yeah,
I mean once we begin to kindof look at the specific details and just
the intentional, deceptive nature of it, I was very upset, you know,
and I think that anyone with halfa brain was also feeling the same

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way. And so yeah, wehave to expose this piece of legislation or
this amendment for what it is andlet people know exactly what they're voting for
and against. I should say oneof the things that just first of all,
I can't put this issue down.It makes me emotional like no other
issue. I don't want to getinto that backstory, but when I read

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the letter that you signed Pastor Williamsalongside one hundred other black pastors and community
leaders. I read that the populationin Ohio made up of axis thirteen percent.
Correct, unfortunately, and tragically,tell our listeners what the abortion the

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percentage of a percentage of abortions performedon black women in Ohio is. Yeah,
it's forty eight zero point four percentof all abortions are performed on black
women. So you have I mean, if you extrapulate that down and just
say, there's six and a halfseven percent of the population of the state

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of Ohio are black females, Blackwomen. So you're telling me that forty
eight percent of all abortions time,almost half are coming from six and a
half to seven percent of the populationof the entire state. Yeah. Absolutely,
And I mean, actually that numberis probably a bit higher because that
only takes into consideration the ethnicity ofthe mother, not the father. Ah

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okay, all right, they estimatethat numbers probably a little higher than fifty
percent. Actually, I want youto respond to this. I've been for
weeks under fire, which is greatbecause it means I'm over the target talking
about all the lies. Birth controlwon't be available, miscarriage care won't be
available at topic, pregnancies won't beable to be taken care of in a

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safe manner. Late here's the andhere's what I want you to respond to.
Late term abortions don't happen. Ijust spent ten minutes on a radio
show with a guy who has anart exhibit in Columbus that opens Friday.
Probably one of the most prolific serialkillers in the history of this country ran

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an abortion clinic. And Ohio hasa guy, Martin Haskell, who brags
about late term abortion. And bythe way, the people who say late
term abortions don't happen, they say, but when they do happen, it's
because it's to save the mother's life. In Haskell goes now, eighty percent
of those partial birth abortions that heperforms are purely elective. That forty eight

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percent is if we're at fifteen weeks. Can you fathom, given planned parenthoods
in my mind perceived grip on theblack community, what that would be this
if this treacherous amendment passed, Youknow, I truthfully I try not to

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think about that, but it isa fact that we have to consider.
I'm a father of seven children.My wife and I are blessed to have
seven beautiful children. So, youknow, just looking at each one of
them every night when I put themto bed, I think about the future
that promised, the hope of theirlife. And so to think that babies

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can be aborted up to nine monthsis just it's a wickedness that cannot be
put into words in your estimation studyingthis issue, excuse me, and talking
to other members of the community ofyou know, their you know, black
churches and community members and community leaders, what what what happened? What if

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you put it in your own words, what happened to cause this epidemic,
this crisis of little black children beingslaughtered from the womb in this country?
How did this become the norm?How did this become as common as you

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know, when you're talking fifty percent, and that's pretty common. There's nothing,
you know, it's not extraordinary aboutthat. It's it's fairly well known.
What happened? When did this happen? And why do you feel like
so many women in the community feellike, well, all right, that's
my only option. I mean whatI just don't understand obviously, and I'd

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love to get your perspective please.Yeah. So, I mean that's a
very complicated question. But I wouldstart out by just saying that you know,
as a pastor, and talking toother pastors as well, when women
make these decisions, sometimes with youknow, the father involved as well,
virtually none of them are excited aboutthe option to abort. Ninety nine percent

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of my experiences have been when there'sbeen a sense of despair or hopelessness.
And so I think that you know, there's several societal factors that play into
it. But I think what hashappened since the invention of this this Planned
Parenthood organization, there's been a strategic, targeted marketing campaign to minorities, specifically

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black women, and that plays intothe original purpose for Planned parent has creation.
I mean Margaret Singer, as wemake reference to in our letter,
is a as a known eugenist,was a known eugenesis and she was specifically
targeting minorities, specifically black children.And so I mean she's even gotten there's

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photos of her at kkk rallies,and so I mean that Lady's plan has
succeeded. And I think that partof it is that you know, certain
groups, democratic groups that have championallegedly championed the cause of black voters have
actually not been forthright and not allowedthem to know some of these historical facts

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which are just now in the lastfew years beginning to come to the light.
So I think there's just been adeception over the Black community, and
part of what myself, along withmy ministry colleagues, are wanting to do
is shine light on that. Andas we've been showing that and sharing that
information with people, we're really amazedand thankful for the vast numbers of people
who are saying absolutely not. Theyfeel like they've essentially been taken advantage of

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because of the propaganda. I mean, there's an incredible marketing campaign and the
location of these clinics are specifically placedin neighborhoods that are predominantly African Americans,
So, you know, Planned Parenthoodmay try to spin that narrative a different
way, but their history says otherwise. And so yeah, I mean,
part of it has really just beena kind of a thirty to forty year

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plan to really put that message inthe Black community that this is a better
option than life. And so ourjob is to confront that and to provide
another path toward life. The nameof the podcast is Saving Liberty. The
opposite of liberty is dependence and subjugation, and it's been what you described,

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I believe, and it's been aslow fade. Unfortunately, in this country,
we are a microwave culture, andit's almost pass to say that we
watch crime stories on TV and thatthing gets wrapped up in forty eight minutes,
and so we expect this will fixovernight. But it was a slow
fade to get here. But acouple of things. Seeing all of the

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support to oppose this issue is encouraging. Seeing Michelle Reynolds elected to the State
Senate from the city of Columbus isencouraging. Do you think that this issue
is one of the tipping points thatwill and I hate to put it that
way, and I hope I'm notout of line. I believe that they're

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the progression and i'd say progressives inboth parties, not just Democrats, not
just abortionists. There are people whowant to create dependence and subjugation. And
do you think that this will bea tipping point in the community that helps
people see what's really going on withouta doubt? I mean, the potential
for that is certainly there. Andagain, you know, regardless of even

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how this this election turns out,I think there's enoughing of awakening that's taking
place where and I'll just be candidhere, people in the black community are
coming to realize that, you know, historically, even though ninety percent plus
have voted democratically, that number isdefinitely going to decrease in the days to

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come as we begin to expose thesethings. So I do hope that this
is a tipping point and you know, that we can begin to kind of,
like you said, you know,not depend on and feel that we
need, you know, some kindof big government policy to uplift our community.
The reality is we need to weneed to value life, and we
can't talk about healthcare, we can'ttalk about housing, we can't talk about

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any of the other societal issues untilwe deal with the fundamental principle of the
value and the sanctity of life.And so that is my hope that we
can begin to turn and pivot andbreak away from the monopoly that the Democratic
Party has had on black voters.You know, I wouldn't say that as
a moderate Well yeah, well no, that well I was going to ask,

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but I'm glad you said, wellno, thank you. I appreciate
that because I did want to kindof tiptoe not tiptoe around that. I
wanted to clarify that, like forme, this this isn't a Democrat Republican
issue. Those of us who believethat are that there is a living God,
our holy Father, who I knewyou before you were even born,

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That that it's precious. I thinkthat's it's got to transcend it. I
don't want to I don't want toframe issue one in well, the Republic,
the Republican Democrat do the It's aboutthose of us who understand how truly
sacred and beautiful the gift of lifeis from our creator. Once we can

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just say forgive that nonsense. Idon't care what you registered as, I
don't care who you voted for inthe last election. We both care about
saving these children. Man, that'sthe message. I really want everyone to
come together and get over. Thisis not about your political team. This
is about children and the sanctity oflife, is it not. You're absolutely

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right. I mean, even thatletter, with those hundred plus pastors that
signed on, that's a bipartisan group. We've got Democrats who've got independence,
who've got moderates who've got you knowRepublic, everybody you can imagine is united
to make known that we believe lifebegins that conception and we want to protect
it. You know, I wasat the Ohio March for Life just recently,

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and I was amazed. I sawa booth set up that was LGBTQ
for Life, and I've never seenthat in my life. I also saw
another booth that was there at theMarch for Life that was, you know,
Democrats for Life. So you're exactlyright. This is a bipartisan or
i should say, nonpartisan effort.This is just good old fashioned, god

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fearing Ohioans who are saying enough isenough. We're not going to tolerate that,
and we refuse to allow this radicalamendment to be enshrined in our constitution
and we will show up on Novemberseven to make sure that doesn't happen.
So thank you for sharing that thatis that's super encouraging. LGBTQ for Life,

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Democrats for Life. I've long contestedthat if a culture does not value
life, then there's an end ofthe road for all of us. Depending
on who's an charge, there's alwaysthere's always, you know, an elite
class, the intelligencia, whatever,you want to say, and if there
is not an inherent moral value forlife, we're not only going to kill

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kids will eventually kill Jack. Iwas just gonna say, when you when
you devalue life, you can it'sso much easier to dehumanize people yet like
or you don't agree with and theneliminating them, well, they're just animals
that we you know, once youestablished the foundation of well, we don't
even protect the most innocent and helplessamong us, let alone you know,

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the average person. To me,that that's that's really scary because it does
lead to dehumanization. I believe Jack, it absolutely does. You got to
make a comment on that, pleaseplease do that word dehumanization is really the
key and when it as it relates, I should say to African Americans,
I often reference the slavery issue inAmerica. One of the reasons why slavery

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went so long without resistance was becausethere was a dehumanizing element in the conversation.
They for so long were trying topass this idea off that black people
from Africa were not fully human.And so with Charles Darwin's evolutionary theory and
the survival of the fittest, thatwas actually if you go research that time

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period, there were many people whojustified slavery by saying slaves, our black
people are not actually fully human.It sounds preposterous today because you know,
obviously we know that's a farce,but that's what they were believing, and
the same ideology is behind the conversationas it relates to babies in the womb
and so other terms that we'll throwout there to try to like dehumanize them.

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Is at the root of all ofour other issues, the violence,
the murder, all the different violentcrimes. There's a general devaluing and a
dehumanizing of life, and so wehave to confront that head on. Yeah,
you are so spot on. Mygoodness, I am a praise God
that you are so perfectly in tuneand exactly that I have heard those who

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arguing in favorable or it's just aparasite, it's just a clump of cells,
it's just a fetus, it's justa fetus, it's a zegot.
That's the kind of language that dehumanizesthat child inside of you, that that
other people can allow you to breakthe most sacred thing a mother can do,
which is harm or child that sospot on Pastor Williams. Yeah,

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I mean, and just think ofthe history of America. I mean,
whenever we've tried to justify any kindof wicked treatment, there's always that dehumanizing
kind of conversation, and so Ijust want people to know this is no
different and so yeah, I mean, I just thank you guys for even
being willing to talk about it,because so many people have their head in

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the sand. But thankfully that's beginningto change well. And this is where
labels become so toxic. When there'sa devaluation of life, and when mainstream
or corporate media wields the power andyou have people who don't value life in
really high positions, it's scary.I mean, I've heard people talk about

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certain sexual preference groups. I've heardpeople talk about Maga Republicans, as if
there are just certain groups of peoplethat need wiped off the earth. And
there has to be a reset.There has to be an understanding that God
said let there be life, andthere was life, and that life is

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inalienable. Man didn't give it,man can't take it away. And until
we get back to that point,now that I'm not trying to bastardize all
the ills and all the sins thatwe've committed as a country to become a
more perfect union. But I feellike sometimes we use that as an excuse
to advance the cause of people whoare really elitists, and we bringing that

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back around Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood, And you know, this is what
I want to say. With thatPlanned Parenthood we talk a lot about.
I see all this yes support,where's the no. I want to remind
people, the people who are votingno, they're not from a billion dollar
industry. I mean Planned Parenthood hasradical people who dump money in and they

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are a I mean they are awell oiled money making machine in the business
of killing babies and selling parts.So how do you rally support? Is
there a way for our listeners togo? You know what I want to
support what Pastor Williams is about wantto I want to fight this battle and
I want to fight more battles inthe future. How do they find you

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and how do they support you andhow do they support the cause? I
appreciate that. Well, you know, the official campaign that's opposing issue on
is Protect Women Ohio. And soI would encourage people to to go to
their website, Protect Women Ohio.They're also on Instagram. We have a
grassroots kind of advocacy campaign as well, which is Choose Life Ohio, but

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Protect Women Ohio has tons of resources. They've got, you know, everything
from yard signs to you know,graphics and data. I would just go
to their website, grab those resources. There's a few events coming up,
and I just would encourage everybody forthese next couple of weeks to use social
media, you know, and promotea no vote so that people can you

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know, show up on November seventh. I think, you know, there
is a silent majority, and whatI've come to realize is that the proponents
of Issue one are obviously much moremotivated and they're going to be more outspoken.
But I think we have to matchthat energy, and we also have
to be unashamed of our stands.And we can't just do it, you
know, for ourselves, we haveto do it for the children that we're

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defending. In the loom pastor William'sgoing to get you out of here on
this last two part question, I'mseeing a and campaign going around talking about
how Bible doesn't address reproductive rights.Okay, and I'm curious if you have
you ever had and I'm sure youhave when a very scared young woman comes

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to you and says, Pastor,I'm pregnant, I'm sorry, and it's
like the first thing is to letthem know they're still loved. But you
know, how can you use scriptureto help counsel a woman? And this
ridiculous claim that the Bible, wellit doesn't really talk about abortion or it
doesn't talk about reproductive rights, whichi defies everything that I've ever known.

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So I'm just curious, how doyou go about doing that? Yeah,
no, that's a very very goodquestion, and it has been quite a
common conversation over the years I've beenin ministry, and I know it's a
common conversation that many spiritual caretakers andpastors have to have with congregants. And
so, you know, again,from the scripture, we really believe what

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that Bible teaches. And you know, some people say, well, God
is pro choice, he doesn't forcehis way, And I tell people,
kind of tongue in cheek, Isay God is pro choice, but he's
pro life. Deuteronomy, chapter thirty, verse nineteen, he says, I
call heaven and earth as witnesses todayagainst you. He said, I've set
before you two choices. So there'sa choice. Said, I've set before
you two choices, life and death. Then it says, therefore, choose

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life so that you and your childrenmay live. And so I reference that
is like, yes, there isthe choice, but God is telling you
what to choose. And so youknow, sometimes people will say, you
can't legislate morality and it's a hardissue, and I say, well,
it is a hard issue at theend of the day. But you know,
Martin Luther King Jr. Once Saidthe law can't make a man love

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me, but it can stop himfrom killing me. And so I like
to just remind people that, youknow, God has created us, and
He's formed us in our mother's womb, and there's a purpose for us.
And so even through your challenges andthrough your trials, you can depend on
the help of the church and otherresources in the community, which we need
to do a good job of makingsure people are aware of the help that's

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out there. But no one shouldever be left without hope and to a
point where they believe that ending thelife of that baby is the only option.
And so we do all that wecan, and we start on the
foundation of God's word, and wejust trust that more and more people are
going to begin to choose life withall that I love hope. Hope's my
favorite thing to cling to because withouthope there is no you know, if

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there was no hope, then Christwould have never come down sacrificed himself on
cavalry for our sins. So he'sPastor Brian Williams, Hope City House of
Prayer. Hey, go check themout if you want to come see it.
All are welcome. I'm sure tocome see one of your sermons or
come have a worship service with you. Correct, absolutely all, A're welcome,

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all right, Pastor Williams. Godbless you man. Thanks for your
good fight, and hopefully we canand defeat this evil come November seven.
Thank you, thank you, andwe will in Jesus name Im