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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to us? Okay?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Today's guest is a season radio executive with thirty six
years at iHeartMedia, including twenty five in his current role
as President of Hip Hop and R and B Programming
Strategy and program Director here at ninety two point three.
He is a driving force behind the success of stations
like Parawanoh five point one in New York, in Real
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ninety two point three in LA. He oversees more than
eighty hip hop and R and B radio stations nationwide
and has helped shape the careers of top talent, including
The Breakfast Club, Big Boy and Steve Harvey. Born in Brooklyn,
New York, a Brooklyn with Jamaican roots, He holds a
degree in computer science and economics from Trinity College. He
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lives right here in Los Angeles with his wife and family.
Please welcome mister doc Winter.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hello, Hello, good to be here. Yeah, we play a game.
At the end, my questions are gonna hit. You know, Doc,
I've seen you around the studio, but you only come
in with celebs are here. What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That is not true. That's not true.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
In my office is on the other side, I'm usually
in there doing something. But you know, Big studio is
I think adjacent to this one. So I stopped through
and then cruise show. You know, I see you, I
see you. And honestly, I was so shocked when they
came to me about the fact that you were going
to do a show here because my wife and I
literally fell in love with that product a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Ago, your product, and we appreciate that, like real, let's
real talk.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, I appreciate So I want to go back to
I want I want you to tell the people what
you do. But since we're on sunscreen, real question right now,
tell us your relationship with sunscreen and your family's relationship.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I mean, obviously, my wife is from the Caribbean and
so we like to go to the beach. But you know,
the worst experience a black person can have is putting
sunscreen on and looking all chalky. So my wife when
they discovered, she's like, oh, like this woman created this
sunscreen for black folks. And you know we have we
have some white friends to that go to the beach
with us, and you know, they saw us putting it
on our son and they were like, yeah, we hate
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when our when our son looks chalky. So there they
use it as well. And you know, it's just a
really good product and a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So congratulations, I appreciate that. So are you putting sunscreen
just on your son or do you use it? I
use it to you do growing up in Brooklyn? Did
you use it?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Use vasoline?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We would use baby.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
And of course now with with social media, we found
out all that stuff is not good for you, right right, all.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, So tell your wife, I said, thank you. I
appreciate you supporting the business and then putting on allies
to the business as well. So doc, tell the folks
what you do.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I oversee it's actually how many stations, did you say.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A lot of radio A lot of radio stations in
the country.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
iHeart kind of like the the brain trust of our
radio stations and how we go about gathering ratings and
things like that, and training talent and obviously helping them
use their social media platforms to enhance their respective brands
and our respective brands across you know, all of these
radio stations all the way from New York, all the
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way over to this side of the country, and understanding
the nuances of each market. You know, it's just not
plug and play because LA is different from New York.
New York is different from Atlanta. Atlanta is different from Jacksonville.
Jacksonville is different from Memphis, and so a lot of
that is spent doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So you are very well respected in this space. I mean,
anyone that I come across that knows that we're in
the LA building talks about you. I follow you, and
it's always just like respect King, you know, just very
very good words. How did you get that reputation?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Oh, I guess being good at your job and quite honestly,
just not being an asshole, perfectly honest. Can we curse
on the show? No, okay, sorry, not being a not
a good person. I remember when I first got into
the business, and you know, this is when radio conventions
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were prevalent, and so you would see the the Kings
if you will, of the business radio, you know, sitting
up at a dais and you know, I'd be in
the crowd and you know, aspiring one day to be
one of those people and an occasionally you have an
occasion to go speak to that person or whatever. And
you know, sometimes people just weren't the nicest people. And
for me, I was like, Wow, it's not that difficult,
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you know, to be nice to somebody. And so I
hear that a lot, and it's not you know, it's
just who I am. And that's not to say that
there's nobody out there that may have worked for me,
that may not have had a great experience, because I
may have had to you know, terminate or.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It comes with the row.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It comes with the row.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
But I always try to do it in a respectful
manner as long as they're respectful. This is always that
little Brooklyn factor.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I can't wait to my year are not questions, because
we've heard Brooklyn likes okay.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So I came across an interview that you did many
many moons ago. There was a woman who told you
that you have a great voice and that it would
sound good on radio. Now, I remember growing up listening
to Quiet Storm and the radio hosts, they just had
this super deep, silky smooth voice. The word sexy, oh sorry,
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sex of os was that you like, I hear your
voice now? So did you have to like give it
a little behind it to get that sexiness for Quiet Storm.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I always remember back in the day growing up, when
you actually had home telephones and people would call our
house and I was like ten, and they would think
that I was my brother or my father. It never wow,
it never.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Meant anything to me.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I remember, you know, playing basketball in college and an
interview after a game. I did a shot to win
a game and I was being interviewed, and I remember
my roommates saying.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like, dude, you got a stupid voice. Again.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
It just never never occurred to me or I did,
never tripped off of it. And when I was in college,
a good friend of mine worked at the college radio station,
and I used to sit in with him at times,
and there was always this thing, if you're from New York,
you can spin and you can do this. And I
just loved music. I loved radio, but I never played music.
In one of those spring breaks, I went back home
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and my neighbor wanted me to meet her niece, and
I was like, I'm not trying to do that, and.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So she showed up my house.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Surprisingly, and long story short, with the girl and I
ended up, you know, really liking one another. And again
her feedback to me was, you know something about my voice,
and I was like okay. And so I ended up
going back to school after the break, and my buddy
came back late, he was still on vacation with his family.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He asked me if I would do his show.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I was like, okay, cool, and so me being you know,
very trying to be organized and write all my songs
down and what I'm going to say, and and I
cracked that mic and I did my first break and
it was like, wow, that was it. Oh something, this
is not good, this is this is crazy. And we
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had our college station at the time was we were
in Connecticut, so our college station was night station and
the commercial station was a daytime station, so it was
am daytime, so it went off like you know, sundown,
and then our station took over and so there were
people that worked on both sides, you know, professionally, came
and worked at our college station. And so after that break,
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the hotline rang excuse me, and a woman who worked
at commercial stations. She said, Hey, are you the person
that just was just talking and I said yeah. She said,
I don't know who you are, I don't know what
you do, but you need to do this. And it
was again it was like it was like strike too,
like oh man. And so you know, I ended up
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graduating with my degree in computer's economics, and I think
I also mentioned my parents are Jamaican, and if you
understand the Jamaican dynamic, it was like, no, you're about
to be a computer program Yeah, you're not messing around
and playing in radio. And I had to have that
conversation after graduation with my parents like hey, I think
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I want to step out and try this radio thing.
And interestingly enough, I don't know if you've got seen
this new show on Netflix called Forever. I have a
new show on it. It's amazing, got to see it.
So in that show, there's a similar situation where the
young man black man went to school, his mom is
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you know, his dad, and he wants to go do music.
That was me, and you know, now, looking back at
I can understand what my parents felt like, are you
are you out of your mind? Like, what are you
talking about, Like you want to go do radio, you
want to go play records when you just went to
college for this degree. I was like, yeah, I think
I can be really good at it. Like I'm getting
feedback from people that says, hey, you could do this and.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So so what was their reaction when it worked out?
Because it took some years you did both because of
your degree, but eventually you let the computer side go
and you stayed in radio.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So what was their reaction with that.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I think the first time my parents came to we
did something called Quiet Storm live in Saint Louis when
my show was live in front of people, and I
think that was the first time my dad was like wow.
Because I was really shy, introvert athlete, that's what all
I was, and I think my dad was like wow, okay,
like you might be able to do this. And then
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years later, when I first became the head of Clear
Channels because we were a clear Channel for iHeart and
he saw that, you know, I had had some success,
he was like, wow, okay this you know, this worked out.
But my my uncle, who is a who was a chemist,
and I understand the whole Jamaican thing like my father
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came from six brothers. Uh, you know, chemists, Spanish teacher
like they didn't play that, you know, they they were.
My uncle was the kind of person who would come
on a Saturday morning at seven o'clock and say, we're
going to the library, like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
My grandmother?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
C They were they were no you know they were
there were no joke and they were really about us
making or that we benefited from, you know, the struggles
that they had to, you know, for us to move forward.
So long story short, obviously they weren't happy initially, but.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You know, later on they realize, okay, you know he
did this.
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
Just talking about your upbringing a little bit. So you're
sitting amongst three folks, three native New Yorkers, right, so
you know I'm from I'm from upstate New York, and
you and Francis are both from Brooklyn. B k all day.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
If you know, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
This is only something New York. So what musical artists
influenced you? This is a two part question, Okay, what
musical artists influenced you as you were coming up? And
then who are your favorite five DJs?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Me on air personalities.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Because DJ is different than on air personality, so that's
why I went to DJ.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay. First question was again.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Was uh, what artists influenced you growing up?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
All?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Right? Growing up?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
At the time I was growing up in New York City.
You know, I think Luther Van Dross was still with
the group Change. So he started to y'all looking at
me like the dude is old he season. Anyways, growing up,
you know, you know Luther Stevie Wonder and those people
were really owned the radio. And then I remember a
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group called a Fat Back Band. You know, growing up
in New York City, you can get into a club
at sixteen. So I was listening to DJ's rap and
spin and you know, stand on stage just before it
actually went on Wax, Kaylen's cracking up, like wow. So
there's a group called a Fat Back Band that actually
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put out the very first hip hop record before Rappers Delight,
and it was called.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
What was there?
Speaker 7 (17:57):
A group was called Fat Back Band, but great record
came out.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
They actually took this and put it on Wax and
then maybe three or four months later was wrapped when
Rappers the light dropped and that's when hip hip hop
took off. But if you were in New York City,
we were already watching people grab a mic. There was
a d there was a DJ, and there was an MC,
and an MC would grab the mic and they'd throw
a beat on and they would just wrap and most
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of the time it was just off the top of
their heads.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So now to see it and now when you see it.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
On wax and you're like, oh man, they did this,
but had no idea would become what it would become
later on.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now five DJs or you give me three DJs, not
on air personalities DJs.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
I was seasoned enough to see grand Master Flash. He's
simply amazing. DJ Chuck chill out. Some of these guys
worked at b LS in New York.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Were pretty amazing.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I remember that name, and there's another guy named DJ
Starsky that day that was incredible. And these guys, unlike
DJ's today, they were showmen. It wasn't just that they
just mixed records. They mixed records, they got on the mic,
they made it was a show and they were incredibly
I sometimes wish that the younger people that I worked
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with could have experienced what it was like before today,
because it was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Fast forwarding to today, what's it like being a black
man just as a music zag in understanding your roles,
responsibility and influence.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It is.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
It can be challenging at times. I mean, for the
most part, it's not something I really spent a lot
of time considering, but I do under understand what my
responsibility is. I understand that a lot of times that
I'm in the room, I might be the only person
of color in the room. It's gotten a lot better
because I've kind of advocated for that in this company,
and now that I run a radio station that actually
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targets the brown and black community, I'm often like, Okay,
so why is there no one brown in this room?
You know, because again, we can't really ask somebody that
is not of that culture to fully represent that culture
and it's and its nuances and understanding. And that's been
one of the best things about working here is really
getting to understand and learn that culture which is very
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close to ours but also different, you know, So sometimes
I got to I have to remember and and and
educate my colleagues that are not of our culture that
this is our culture and you know, we we we
owe it the respect that that it's earned over the over.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
The over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What mistakes have you made, Like have you put put
on a song that on the radio that probably shouldn't
been on the song on the radio?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I don't know, if I don't know, if I don't know,
if I don't know, if there are mistakes opportunity. There
are times when I think back when things have occurred,
how we've handled them. I remember when the initial R.
Kelly case first broke uh in Chicago. The program director
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there at the time, who who reported to me. He
went on TV and he pulled the record all of
our Kelly's records off the radio, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know, shouldn't we have a conversation about that? And
and in my mind, I wasn't sure whether or not
the audience could differentiate the art from the artist and
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the behavior. And in addition to that, it had been
my experience that rock and roll had been doing this
for years, like they you know, you look at the
background of some rock and roll artists, it's like, oh
my god. But then the music still, you know, was
was prevalent on the radio. And so we we researched
the song, which I believe was ignition at the time
if you're an R. Kelly fan, and it researched through
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like they didn't care, And so.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I made him put the record back in.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay, so hot take right now? We got Diddy? Are
y'all playing Diddy? In the stations playing Diddy?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
It's slightly different because he didn't have as much music
that is current right now.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But he's produced a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
He's produced a lot.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We haven't pulled any records, I mean, and in some
instances I've encouraged my pds. However, you feel more comfortable
because you are the person that represents your market. You
understand how your community reacts. And that's just the great
thing about our company and radio. It's not just across
the board you feel uncomfortable playing Diddy. Let's have a
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conversation about it, because I've actually had people outside of
our culture within our company, which I'll say we should
pull all those records, pull all Kanye's records, but let's
have a conversation first.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And so in many instances we have.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Not what's your why is your stance about? Like why
is your stance? Like, let's have a conversation because it's
like something personal and you want to continue to support
or you think it brings in raiding, like why is
your stance that?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Because I believe that I've seen enough data to support
the fact that our audience is able to differentiate the
person's actions from their music.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Okay, one of.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The saddest stories I think in our music community has
been Chris Brown, who unfortunately finds himself in a bad predicament.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Again. Just saw him a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I saw that, and.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I think what happened with Chris At the time, he
was nineteen years old. Yet for some reason we've just
like he's saw at thirty six now and he's made
He's been made to live with this night for the
last eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So I just think it was unfair.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
That's not to say that he may or may not
have done anything to assist in that, but I just
think that people make mistakes as kids, and you know,
I think we ought to give them another opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Okay, that's fair, Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Looking back?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like what's up?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Looking back?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
What's one decision or moment in your career that you're
most proud of.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
When I decided to leave Saint Louis, I was the
program director and I was hosting the Quiet Storm, so
I was in my glory and the company we were
purchased by Jacore and I was asked to leave and
go to Jacksonville, Florida, which on paper didn't really make
any sense. Saint Louis at the time was market number eighteen.
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You guys, we understand market size. Los Angeles is number
two from a population perspective. New York is number one
WITHOS three. Yeah, and then over time some of these
other cities have gotten smaller, bigger, or whatever. And so
Saint Louis at the time was eighteen and Jacksonville was
fifty one. So on paper, like, why would you leave market?
You know, I'm supposed to be going from Saint Louis
to Chicago to LA or New York. Yeah, but I
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decided to take this opportunity. You wanted to build it
in Jacksonville because of the people that were going to
be working there. It was going to be an opportunity
for me to learn from some pretty amazing people who
had already peaked in their career.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
A god by the name of Kevin Metheenie.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
If you ever saw the Howard Stern movie, he was
the guy who was teaching Howard to say w NBC. Well,
he was on this part of his career and he
was the director of programming there. And then there was
another guy, Steve Smith, who actually launched Hot ninety seven
in New York and Power one oh six here in LA.
He was now in a consultancy position there. And there
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was another guy by the name of Barry Mayo, who
you probably knew was the program director of Kiss FM
in New York back in the day when Kissing BLUs.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
He was, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
But if you knew, you knew, you knew the opportunity
to work with these three people were going to it
was going to be amazing. So I ended up getting
taking that job, going and working with this people. And
then immediately immediately I get there, we clash because they
have an opinion about what the radio station there should
be and I had a totally different opinion. They wanted
us to play focus on Barry White and Anita Baker,
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and I wanted to focus on Keith sweat R, Kelly Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You know different.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Yeah, So they said no, I said yes, And so
then we fielded a perceptual study.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
What I said rang through. Wow.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
So we ended up changing the station to fit that,
and a station went from fifteen.
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To number one.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That's why you were supposed to go.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
And so that was the oh he's that guy. Yeah,
And that's how I ended up getting the position. So
at the time we had like five urban stations and
then it went from five to like thirty five to
fifty to seventy two.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And now we had like so that was congratulations on that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And I've been wrong though, I'd probably be sweeping this.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And tune in for the rest of the episode next week,
y'all because it gets even better.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
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Today's guest is a season radio executive with thirty six
years at iHeartMedia, including twenty five in his current role
as President of Hip Hop and R and B Programming
Strategy and program Director here at ninety two point three.
He is a driving force behind the success of stations
like Parawanoh five point one in New York, in Real
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ninety two point three in LA. He oversees more than
eighty hip hop and R and B radio stations nationwide
and has helped shape the careers of top talent, including
The Breakfast Club, Big Boy and Steve Harvey. Born in Brooklyn,
New York, a Brooklyn with Jamaican roots, He holds a
degree in computer science and economics from Trinity College. He
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lives right here in Los Angeles with his wife and family.
Please welcome mister doc Winter.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hello, Hello, good to be here. Yeah, we play a game.
At the end, my questions are gonna hit. You know, Doc,
I've seen you around the studio, but you only come
in with celebs are here. What's up with that?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That is not true. That's not true.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
In my office is on the other side, I'm usually
in there doing something. But you know, Big studio is
I think adjacent to this one. So I stopped through
and then cruise show. You know, I see you, I
see you. And honestly, I was so shocked when they
came to me about the fact that you were going
to do a show here because my wife and I
literally fell in love with that product a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Ago, your product, and we appreciate that, like real, let's
real talk.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, I appreciate So I want to go back to
I want I want you to tell the people what
you do. But since we're on sunscreen, real question right now,
tell us your relationship with sunscreen and your family's relationship.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I mean, obviously, my wife is from the Caribbean and
so we like to go to the beach. But you know,
the worst experience a black person can have is putting
sunscreen on and looking all chalky. So my wife when
they discovered, she's like, oh, like this woman created this
sunscreen for black folks. And you know we have we
have some white friends to that go to the beach
with us, and you know, they saw us putting it
on our son and they were like, yeah, we hate
(06:34):
when our when our son looks chalky. So there they
use it as well. And you know, it's just a
really good product and a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So congratulations, I appreciate that. So are you putting sunscreen
just on your son or do you use it? I
use it to you do growing up in Brooklyn? Did
you use it?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Use vasoline?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We would use baby.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
And of course now with with social media, we found
out all that stuff is not good for you, right right, all.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right, So tell your wife, I said, thank you. I
appreciate you supporting the business and then putting on allies
to the business as well. So doc, tell the folks
what you do.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I oversee it's actually how many stations, did you say.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
A lot of radio A lot of radio stations in
the country.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
iHeart kind of like the the brain trust of our
radio stations and how we go about gathering ratings and
things like that, and training talent and obviously helping them
use their social media platforms to enhance their respective brands
and our respective brands across you know, all of these
radio stations all the way from New York, all the
(07:41):
way over to this side of the country, and understanding
the nuances of each market. You know, it's just not
plug and play because LA is different from New York.
New York is different from Atlanta. Atlanta is different from Jacksonville.
Jacksonville is different from Memphis, and so a lot of
that is spent doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So you are very well respected in this space. I mean,
anyone that I come across that knows that we're in
the LA building talks about you. I follow you, and
it's always just like respect King, you know, just very
very good words. How did you get that reputation?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Oh, I guess being good at your job and quite honestly,
just not being an asshole, perfectly honest. Can we curse
on the show? No, okay, sorry, not being a not
a good person. I remember when I first got into
the business, and you know, this is when radio conventions
(08:42):
were prevalent, and so you would see the the Kings
if you will, of the business radio, you know, sitting
up at a dais and you know, I'd be in
the crowd and you know, aspiring one day to be
one of those people and an occasionally you have an
occasion to go speak to that person or whatever. And
you know, sometimes people just weren't the nicest people. And
for me, I was like, Wow, it's not that difficult,
(09:04):
you know, to be nice to somebody. And so I
hear that a lot, and it's not you know, it's
just who I am. And that's not to say that
there's nobody out there that may have worked for me,
that may not have had a great experience, because I
may have had to you know, terminate or.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It comes with the row.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It comes with the row.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
But I always try to do it in a respectful
manner as long as they're respectful. This is always that
little Brooklyn factor.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I can't wait to my year are not questions, because
we've heard Brooklyn likes okay.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
So I came across an interview that you did many
many moons ago. There was a woman who told you
that you have a great voice and that it would
sound good on radio. Now, I remember growing up listening
to Quiet Storm and the radio hosts, they just had
this super deep, silky smooth voice. The word sexy, oh sorry,
(09:58):
sex of os was that you like, I hear your
voice now? So did you have to like give it
a little behind it to get that sexiness for Quiet Storm.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I always remember back in the day growing up, when
you actually had home telephones and people would call our
house and I was like ten, and they would think
that I was my brother or my father. It never wow,
it never.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Meant anything to me.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I remember, you know, playing basketball in college and an
interview after a game. I did a shot to win
a game and I was being interviewed, and I remember
my roommates saying.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like, dude, you got a stupid voice. Again.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
It just never never occurred to me or I did,
never tripped off of it. And when I was in college,
a good friend of mine worked at the college radio station,
and I used to sit in with him at times,
and there was always this thing, if you're from New York,
you can spin and you can do this. And I
just loved music. I loved radio, but I never played music.
In one of those spring breaks, I went back home
(10:57):
and my neighbor wanted me to meet her niece, and
I was like, I'm not trying to do that, and.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So she showed up my house.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Surprisingly, and long story short, with the girl and I
ended up, you know, really liking one another. And again
her feedback to me was, you know something about my voice,
and I was like okay. And so I ended up
going back to school after the break, and my buddy
came back late, he was still on vacation with his family.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
He asked me if I would do his show.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
I was like, okay, cool, and so me being you know,
very trying to be organized and write all my songs
down and what I'm going to say, and and I
cracked that mic and I did my first break and
it was like, wow, that was it. Oh something, this
is not good, this is this is crazy. And we
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had our college station at the time was we were
in Connecticut, so our college station was night station and
the commercial station was a daytime station, so it was
am daytime, so it went off like you know, sundown,
and then our station took over and so there were
people that worked on both sides, you know, professionally, came
and worked at our college station. And so after that break,
(12:11):
the hotline rang excuse me, and a woman who worked
at commercial stations. She said, Hey, are you the person
that just was just talking and I said yeah. She said,
I don't know who you are, I don't know what
you do, but you need to do this. And it
was again it was like it was like strike too,
like oh man. And so you know, I ended up
(12:32):
graduating with my degree in computer's economics, and I think
I also mentioned my parents are Jamaican, and if you
understand the Jamaican dynamic, it was like, no, you're about
to be a computer program Yeah, you're not messing around
and playing in radio. And I had to have that
conversation after graduation with my parents like hey, I think
(12:52):
I want to step out and try this radio thing.
And interestingly enough, I don't know if you've got seen
this new show on Netflix called Forever. I have a
new show on it. It's amazing, got to see it.
So in that show, there's a similar situation where the
young man black man went to school, his mom is
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you know, his dad, and he wants to go do music.
That was me, and you know, now, looking back at
I can understand what my parents felt like, are you
are you out of your mind? Like, what are you
talking about, Like you want to go do radio, you
want to go play records when you just went to
college for this degree. I was like, yeah, I think
I can be really good at it. Like I'm getting
feedback from people that says, hey, you could do this and.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So so what was their reaction when it worked out?
Because it took some years you did both because of
your degree, but eventually you let the computer side go
and you stayed in radio.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So what was their reaction with that.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
I think the first time my parents came to we
did something called Quiet Storm live in Saint Louis when
my show was live in front of people, and I
think that was the first time my dad was like wow.
Because I was really shy, introvert athlete, that's what all
I was, and I think my dad was like wow, okay,
like you might be able to do this. And then
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years later, when I first became the head of Clear
Channels because we were a clear Channel for iHeart and
he saw that, you know, I had had some success,
he was like, wow, okay this you know, this worked out.
But my my uncle, who is a who was a chemist,
and I understand the whole Jamaican thing like my father
(14:35):
came from six brothers. Uh, you know, chemists, Spanish teacher
like they didn't play that, you know, they they were.
My uncle was the kind of person who would come
on a Saturday morning at seven o'clock and say, we're
going to the library, like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
My grandmother?
Speaker 7 (14:54):
C They were they were no you know they were
there were no joke and they were really about us
making or that we benefited from, you know, the struggles
that they had to, you know, for us to move forward.
So long story short, obviously they weren't happy initially, but.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
You know, later on they realize, okay, you know he
did this.
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It doesn't.
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If you want to pre.
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
Just talking about your upbringing a little bit. So you're
sitting amongst three folks, three native New Yorkers, right, so
you know I'm from I'm from upstate New York, and
you and Francis are both from Brooklyn. B k all day.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
If you know, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
This is only something New York. So what musical artists
influenced you? This is a two part question, Okay, what
musical artists influenced you as you were coming up? And
then who are your favorite five DJs?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Me on air personalities.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Because DJ is different than on air personality, so that's
why I went to DJ.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Okay. First question was again.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Was uh, what artists influenced you growing up?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
All?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Right? Growing up?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
At the time I was growing up in New York City.
You know, I think Luther Van Dross was still with
the group Change. So he started to y'all looking at
me like the dude is old he season. Anyways, growing up,
you know, you know Luther Stevie Wonder and those people
were really owned the radio. And then I remember a
(17:29):
group called a Fat Back Band. You know, growing up
in New York City, you can get into a club
at sixteen. So I was listening to DJ's rap and
spin and you know, stand on stage just before it
actually went on Wax, Kaylen's cracking up, like wow. So
there's a group called a Fat Back Band that actually
(17:49):
put out the very first hip hop record before Rappers Delight,
and it was called.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
What was there?
Speaker 7 (17:57):
A group was called Fat Back Band, but great record
came out.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
They actually took this and put it on Wax and
then maybe three or four months later was wrapped when
Rappers the light dropped and that's when hip hip hop
took off. But if you were in New York City,
we were already watching people grab a mic. There was
a d there was a DJ, and there was an MC,
and an MC would grab the mic and they'd throw
a beat on and they would just wrap and most
(18:23):
of the time it was just off the top of
their heads.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
So now to see it and now when you see it.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
On wax and you're like, oh man, they did this,
but had no idea would become what it would become
later on.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now five DJs or you give me three DJs, not
on air personalities DJs.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
I was seasoned enough to see grand Master Flash. He's
simply amazing. DJ Chuck chill out. Some of these guys
worked at b LS in New York.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Were pretty amazing.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I remember that name, and there's another guy named DJ
Starsky that day that was incredible. And these guys, unlike
DJ's today, they were showmen. It wasn't just that they
just mixed records. They mixed records, they got on the mic,
they made it was a show and they were incredibly
I sometimes wish that the younger people that I worked
(19:23):
with could have experienced what it was like before today,
because it was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Fast forwarding to today, what's it like being a black
man just as a music zag in understanding your roles,
responsibility and influence.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It is.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
It can be challenging at times. I mean, for the
most part, it's not something I really spent a lot
of time considering, but I do under understand what my
responsibility is. I understand that a lot of times that
I'm in the room, I might be the only person
of color in the room. It's gotten a lot better
because I've kind of advocated for that in this company,
and now that I run a radio station that actually
(20:06):
targets the brown and black community, I'm often like, Okay,
so why is there no one brown in this room?
You know, because again, we can't really ask somebody that
is not of that culture to fully represent that culture
and it's and its nuances and understanding. And that's been
one of the best things about working here is really
getting to understand and learn that culture which is very
(20:29):
close to ours but also different, you know, So sometimes
I got to I have to remember and and and
educate my colleagues that are not of our culture that
this is our culture and you know, we we we
owe it the respect that that it's earned over the over.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
The over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What mistakes have you made, Like have you put put
on a song that on the radio that probably shouldn't
been on the song on the radio?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
I don't know, if I don't know, if I don't know,
if I don't know, if there are mistakes opportunity. There
are times when I think back when things have occurred,
how we've handled them. I remember when the initial R.
Kelly case first broke uh in Chicago. The program director
(21:20):
there at the time, who who reported to me. He
went on TV and he pulled the record all of
our Kelly's records off the radio, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know, shouldn't we have a conversation about that? And
and in my mind, I wasn't sure whether or not
the audience could differentiate the art from the artist and
(21:40):
the behavior. And in addition to that, it had been
my experience that rock and roll had been doing this
for years, like they you know, you look at the
background of some rock and roll artists, it's like, oh
my god. But then the music still, you know, was
was prevalent on the radio. And so we we researched
the song, which I believe was ignition at the time
if you're an R. Kelly fan, and it researched through
(22:03):
like they didn't care, And so.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I made him put the record back in.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay, so hot take right now? We got Diddy? Are
y'all playing Diddy? In the stations playing Diddy?
Speaker 7 (22:17):
It's slightly different because he didn't have as much music
that is current right now.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But he's produced a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
He's produced a lot.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
We haven't pulled any records, I mean, and in some
instances I've encouraged my pds. However, you feel more comfortable
because you are the person that represents your market. You
understand how your community reacts. And that's just the great
thing about our company and radio. It's not just across
the board you feel uncomfortable playing Diddy. Let's have a
(22:48):
conversation about it, because I've actually had people outside of
our culture within our company, which I'll say we should
pull all those records, pull all Kanye's records, but let's
have a conversation first.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And so in many instances we have.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Not what's your why is your stance about? Like why
is your stance? Like, let's have a conversation because it's
like something personal and you want to continue to support
or you think it brings in raiding, like why is
your stance that?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Because I believe that I've seen enough data to support
the fact that our audience is able to differentiate the
person's actions from their music.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Okay, one of.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The saddest stories I think in our music community has
been Chris Brown, who unfortunately finds himself in a bad predicament.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Again. Just saw him a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I saw that, and.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I think what happened with Chris At the time, he
was nineteen years old. Yet for some reason we've just
like he's saw at thirty six now and he's made
He's been made to live with this night for the
last eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So I just think it was unfair.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
That's not to say that he may or may not
have done anything to assist in that, but I just
think that people make mistakes as kids, and you know,
I think we ought to give them another opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Okay, that's fair, Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Looking back?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like what's up?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Looking back?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
What's one decision or moment in your career that you're
most proud of.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
When I decided to leave Saint Louis, I was the
program director and I was hosting the Quiet Storm, so
I was in my glory and the company we were
purchased by Jacore and I was asked to leave and
go to Jacksonville, Florida, which on paper didn't really make
any sense. Saint Louis at the time was market number eighteen.
(24:50):
You guys, we understand market size. Los Angeles is number
two from a population perspective. New York is number one
WITHOS three. Yeah, and then over time some of these
other cities have gotten smaller, bigger, or whatever. And so
Saint Louis at the time was eighteen and Jacksonville was
fifty one. So on paper, like, why would you leave market?
You know, I'm supposed to be going from Saint Louis
to Chicago to LA or New York. Yeah, but I
(25:15):
decided to take this opportunity. You wanted to build it
in Jacksonville because of the people that were going to
be working there. It was going to be an opportunity
for me to learn from some pretty amazing people who
had already peaked in their career.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
A god by the name of Kevin Metheenie.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
If you ever saw the Howard Stern movie, he was
the guy who was teaching Howard to say w NBC. Well,
he was on this part of his career and he
was the director of programming there. And then there was
another guy, Steve Smith, who actually launched Hot ninety seven
in New York and Power one oh six here in LA.
He was now in a consultancy position there. And there
(25:52):
was another guy by the name of Barry Mayo, who
you probably knew was the program director of Kiss FM
in New York back in the day when Kissing BLUs.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
He was, you know.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
But if you knew, you knew, you knew the opportunity
to work with these three people were going to it
was going to be amazing. So I ended up getting
taking that job, going and working with this people. And
then immediately immediately I get there, we clash because they
have an opinion about what the radio station there should
be and I had a totally different opinion. They wanted
us to play focus on Barry White and Anita Baker,
(26:23):
and I wanted to focus on Keith sweat R, Kelly Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You know different.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
Yeah, So they said no, I said yes, And so
then we fielded a perceptual study.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
What I said rang through. Wow.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
So we ended up changing the station to fit that,
and a station went from fifteen.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
To number one.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
That's why you were supposed to go.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
And so that was the oh he's that guy. Yeah,
And that's how I ended up getting the position. So
at the time we had like five urban stations and
then it went from five to like thirty five to
fifty to seventy two.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And now we had like so that was congratulations on that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And I've been wrong though, I'd probably be sweeping this.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And tune in for the rest of the episode next week,
y'all because it gets even better.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
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