Why is everyone criticizing Dana Brown?

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome aboard, Welcome to another Space City Saturday on Sports
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Anyway, we go here from the Fertida Center on the
campus of University of Houston. Later on today you're gonna
get to the coves and the Iowa State cyclones coming
your way over on at KPRC nine point fifty. But
I'm here inside the jim Nantz Media Center inside for
Tida Center. Dan Matthews here, Space City Saturday. We get

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going here and weatherwise, I mean, I can't think of
a better place to be today than inside the Fortda
Center because I mean it is yucky outside. I threw
it out on Twitter yesterday that's I'm done with the
cold weather. Like the cold weather has come and it's overstated.
It's welcome I think we're all ready for it to

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take off and take a walk. So that's that's what
we're dealing with here. But it is a good day
to be able to sit inside, watch some basketball and
see the Kougs try to pick up their twenty third win.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Of the season.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Twelve forty five is when the coverage over on KPRC
nine to fifty is going to get going. But we
are here, and if you follow us on Twitter and
that's at Sports Talk seven ninety, you saw that I
posted the pictures of both the game day bus but
also to Jais Rhys Davis and the crew out there
with ESPN on the court as I was coming to

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get settled in here in the Jim Nantz Media Center,
but going to be a good game. A couple of
more weeks of the regular season left, and a couple
of weeks from now, U of H and the rest
of the Big twelve going to be up in Kansas
City for the conference tournament, and then before you know it,
it's Selection Sunday and we get this thing going all
over again and seeing if the Koogs can be able

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to finally capture the elusive national title. So we'll be
talking a lot of U of H today here on
the show.

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Might be joined at some.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Time by Joseph d'Arte of the Houston Chronicle. He might
drop by and talk a little bit of U of
H with him, but he's busy with all the game
day stuff happening right now. So that's going to be
kind of a play it by ear programming note for
you all over here on Sports Talk seven ninety. So
we are actually going to be cutting at ten minutes

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early today because at eleven fifty that's when Robert Ford
and the crew on the Astros Radio Network they're going
to hit the air as the Astros starting off spring
training action today.

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And it's going to be a split.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Squad for the Astros, as you're going to have half
the crew there in West Palm Beach and the other
half is out in Port Saint Lucie taken on the Mets.
But the crew that's going to be at Cacti Park
of the Palm Beach is taking on the team that
they share the spring training complex with the Washington Nationals,
and of course going to have it right here on

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Sports Talk seven ninety, but also going to have it
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Home Networks. So that's where the Astros will be today
as they start their at twenty twenty five at campaign
not in earnest that's going to be happening in about
a month and a half when we get going at
four excuse me, when we get going for the start

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of the season, as late in March is.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
When the season will get underway.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
So that's what we have with the Astros coming up
a little bit later on. We'll be talking a lot
of Astros here in the first hour, as you know,
we ought to do here on Space City Saturday, because
I mean, you know, it's the team that most of
us here care about, but also, I mean, just so
many things to talk about with this team, whether it's
Jose Altuve out in left field, whether it's roster spots

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to be one Brendan Rodgers being added. And also going
to let you hear from a couple of the newest
Astros a little bit later on in the show, as
Christian Walker had a chance to sit down with Matt
Thomas and Ross phil Reale out in West Palm Beach
earlier this week. So we're gonna have that for you
and we'll be getting into a lot of astros talk

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as the show goes along.

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Speaker 2 (05:15):
So that's from there. But also too, we're.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Five minutes into the show, hadn't even mentioned what happened
over at Toyota Center last night as a game you
heard right here on Sports Talk seven to ninety Rockets
with a six point win over the Minnesota Timberwolves one
twenty one fifteen. Nice night from Jalen Green thirty five
points out of him. Also, you know along the away
in the game, Alprin Shingoon twenty four points, thirteen rebounds,

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yet another double double before the All Star.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
On the Rockets roster.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
And it was also the return of Jabari Smith Junior
played the most minutes.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Out of you know, most of the guys on the
floor last night.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Well actually Jalen Green edged him out by a minute,
but thirty eight minutes off the bench.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So no restrictions out.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Of Jabari Smith Junior since coming back from the broken finger,
and fifteen points out of him, nine rebounds, couple of assists,
and also had a block shot in the game. Did
turn the basketball over five times, but still plus twelve
in the plus minus category, so good to have him
back in the fold. Still no Fred van Vliet though
for the Rockets. They're trying to get him up back

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here in short order. And you know, we played yesterday
on the A team. You might have heard it Tom
Haverstrow who covers the NBA, talking about teams that could
possibly make a deep run in the playoffs, and he
said the Rockets, because he threw out the numbers.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
They're what thirty and thirteen?

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I believe when you have both Shingoon and Fred van
Vliet on the floor and they're four and eight without them,
well now they're five and eight because they won last
night without one of the two on the floor, but
having Shingoon out there.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Was very nice.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
And you know, I think another guy that deserves some
kudos for his performance last night Aaron Holiday. The eighteen
minut he gave you off the bench ten points out
of him. But he may Udoka first game out of
the All Star Break going a little bit of a
tighter rotation at two. As you know, really it was
only a Smith junior and also Holiday as the guys

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that got the bulk of the minutes off the bench,
as you only got seven minutes out of Jayshaun Tate
and five out of Steven Adams, so most of the
guys on the floor playing a good amount of the
minutes in the game.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
And you know, you.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Get Tarry Easton who will probably be down for tonight
up in Utah. And as the Rockets a back to back, which,
by the way, can we pick a bone here?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Really quick? Permission to do that? Whose bright idea was.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
It with the NBA to have the first two games
out the gate out of the All Star break for
the Rockets be a back to back, and not only
a back to back, but a home and road back
to back. Like where's the common sense here? Like how
about like have you know the Rockets and Jazz playing
in Houston tonight as opposed to you know, I mean,

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if you're going to do it back to back, that's fine,
but you know, make it consistent right out of the break.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean, you know, have have it either be home
and home or road and road. I mean, you know,
who would have.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Really complained last night if the Rockets, say had opened
up the All Star break in Phoenix and then tonight
you know, playing in Utah or even in Denver and
then you know, the same deal there.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So that's just what I can't understand.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
But anyway, it's going to be a late one out
there in Utah, and the Jazz are one of the
you know, the lowly teams in the NBA. So the
Rockets are definitely hoping that they can be able to
pick up two quick wins right out of the gate,
and we'll see if they are able to do that.
So again, that's coming your way a little bit later
on tonight. And you know, it's a full sports schedule

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here today for us here on Sports Talk seven ninety,
but not only with US, but also over on KPRC
nine fifty is another place that you can be able
to to catch some of the action. Today, So a
full slate across the board tonight, and not only with
the Rockets, but also to with you know, ut basketball

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coming your way a little bit later on, which by
the way, that's gonna be over on KPRC nine to
fifty as well. So just to kind of run through
what we have here on our stations today. As I
mentioned the Astros coming your way here in about an
hour and a half, eleven fifty is when that's gonna
get started them taking on the Nationals there in West
Palm Beach. And then I mentioned the Koog's game that
they're gonna be taken on at Iowa State that's coming

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your way at twelve forty five, and that's gonna be
over on KPRC nine to fifty. Same deal with the
South Carolina and Texas basketball game coming your way a
little bit later on.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And the Rockets and Jazz.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I'll get you started with Rockets launch pad coming your
way at seven point thirty, so we'll have that and
then get you into the game. And as I mentioned,
hopefully the Rockets are able to pick up a good
win there on the road. But it was good to
see them back on the floor last night. I mean
looked like a rested and refreshed team. I don't think

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anybody can dispute that, because I mean, this was a
team that was scuffling in the worst way going into
the All Star Break, and I mean, you had that
awful game against the Golden State Warriors and you had
to he meet U Dooka after the game saying, yeah,
you know, some guys looked like they probably you know,
we're already at the All Star break, paraphrasing him, of course,
but still, I mean, this was a team that was,

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you know, struggling mightily, not only with injuries, but just
with poor play, a lot of turnovers, just poor basketball really,
and all of a sudden able to take that time
away from the floor, get refreshed and rested and now
back out there and thirty five in twenty one on
the season, so trying to improve that mark. Fred van

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Vliet already out for tonight's game for Utah Collins Sex
in his game time decisions. We'll see what happens with them.
But I mean, this is a Jazz team that only
has thirteen wins on the season. But as we found
out though, during that rough stretch, the Rockets had where
they went two and seven in their last nine games
before last night. I mean, you know, there were a

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couple of games in there against the Brooklyn Nets, and
the Brooklyn Nets are about the same as the Utah Jazz.
So I think that probably the messaging inside the locker
room before the game tonight is don't take these guys lightly.
They want to be able to, you know, mess up
the good thing that you have going right now. So
this is the stretch that the Rockets really need. I mean,

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you know, you're gonna be taken on the Jazz quite
a few times here in the later you know, parts
of the season, and the Rockets, of course trying to
get even up further into the Western Conference standings. Is
currently right now, there's a game ahead of the Lakers
for the four spot and the Western Conference there are
two games back of the Denver Nuggets, and also two

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games back of the team that's in their own Division
two as well, the Memphis Grizzlies, as they do have
the season series over the Grizzlies, so even if you
finish up the regular season tied with Memphis, you get
that spot ahead of them. So, I mean, you know,
it's one of those things and I was thinking about
it this morning. I mean, this is so important for

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the Rockets to get either the two or the three,
because I think if they get either of those, they
have a pretty clear path to be able to get
to the Western Conference. I mean, you know, you've got
the Minnesota Timberwolves there in the play and round. I mean,
that's a dangerous team. The Mavericks starting to play good
basketball two as well, so you got to see what
happens with those group of four, with the Warriors and

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Kings also in there, and you've got the Stuns lurking,
and I mean, I guess you could say even without
Victor Wimbenyama, the Spurs aren't too far behind. But still,
I think that probably concern yourself more with the first
few teams that I mentioned there that are currently seven
through ten. But you know, it's also too, I mean,
a different conversation that we're having about the Rockets right

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now than we've had in past years.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
So that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
I mean, you know, to be able to talk about
a team that's in playoff contention, it's not something that
we've had the last few years. I mean, we had
it a little bit last year, but still I think
that most of us probably were looking at and saying, yeah,
you know, playing around, that'd be nice. But if it
doesn't happen, well, at least you had a marked improvement
in a huge step forward from what you've been the
previous year. Is when you're in the middle of phase

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one of that rebuild, and now the rocket's trying to
be able to take the second phase even up further.
And I guess the third phase would be making the playoffs.
So hopefully they are on the doorstep of doing that.
But as I mentioned, we're gonna be a lot of
astros here in the first hour of the show. You
want to get in on that conversation, you can do so.
Sub one three two one two five seven ninety. Once again,

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that's sub one three two one two five seven ninety.
And once again, like I said, I am here inside
the jim Nantz Media Center, inside the Fortita Center on
the campus University of Houston is the Koubes taking on
the Iowa State cyclones. A little bit later on today
again over on KPRC nine fifty twelve forty five, that's
when that coverage of the game and a one o'clock

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tip here inside the Fortida Center, So looking forward to
seeing some good basketball this afternoon and also to some
good basketball tonight. Just talking about the Rockets there for
a second, so we'll get into them as the show
goes along. And also too, as we've been talking about
the past couple of days here the Texans in the
stadium situation, that's fair game as the show rolls along.

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So if you got some thoughts on that, absolutely throwing
my way. We we'll chop that up too if you
want to do that. So all of that is at
your veil again the number sev one three two one
two five, seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
As we're just.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Getting started here on Space City Saturday. But coming up
next the Astros conversation. The criticism of this guy is
something that I just really cannot understand, and I think
you'll know what I'm talking about on the other sides.
We'll do that right here on Space City Saturday, on
your home of the Astros and the Rockets, Sports Talk
seven ninety.

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It's Space City Saturday on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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seven ninety so Robert Ford, Steve Sparks and the crew
calling the Astros and the Nationals there from the Cacti
Park of the Palm Beaches in West Palm Beach. And
I mentioned too, it's a split squad action as it
seems like most of the veterans that are likely going
to be breaking camp on the twenty six man roster,
it seems like they made the trip over to Port

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Saint Lucy to take on the Mets today as Channel
Rome posting the lineup for that one, so we'll see
who's going to be behind Ryan Gusto, who gets the
start today for the Astros there in West Palm Beach.
So that's where spring training action gets going. And speaking
of the Astros, want to get into that conversation here
again if you want to weigh in, and I think

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after I throw out this topic you probably will want
to way in. Someone three two, one, two five seven
ninety is the number to get in on the phone lines.
What's what the criticism of Dana Brown Like, I really,
just for the life of me, can't understand why people are,
at least a section of Astros fans are so dissatisfied
with the Astros GM. I mean, from our perspective, the

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media perspective, I don't think you can ask for a
better guy on the job. He does his weekly visit,
which not a ton of gms do as so we're
able to have him every week over on the Sean
Salisbury Show, and pretty much anytime you see him there
behind the batting cage or you know, on the field
before a game, if you've got a question for him,
he's willing to applo you on that. And again that's

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not what a ton of GMS do. I mean, you'll
even have some guys that you've got to go through
the team, they'll avoid you do all of those different
types of things, and I mean it's pretty much a
you know, impossible feat in its own right to be
able to track down an executive of a team and
then finally you get them, and you know, maybe it's
not necessarily the answers that you're hoping to get.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So that's from that perspective, but it's also too.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I mean, he did have some huge shoes to fill
when he took over the job.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Jeff Luno.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
It's undeniable the job that he did when he was
in charge of that part of the team. I mean,
you got a world championship, probably two of them, because
of the vision and the execution that he put into
the job. And then James Click able to do the
same thing. Some of the great trades that he made.
I mean, you don't have yinor Dias in your lineup
right now without James Click pulling off a trade that

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all it cost you was Miles Straw going to the
Cleveland Guardians, and in return you got philm Maton, who
gave you some good things on the mound while he
was here in an Astros uniform. And obviously, janer Dia
is a guy that is trending to be an All
Star at some point in his career, one of the
better hitting catchers in the game right now. So that
was a nice pickup. But I mean it is also

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something that I think Dana Brown gets blamed for that's
not necessarily his fault. And one thing that I saw
somebody point out is somebody said, oh, it was the
unrealistic hope that he was giving Astros fans that they
were going to bring back Alex Bregman. We must be
listening to two different Dana Brown's than in that regard,
because I think, if anything, he was tamping down expectations

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that Alex Bregman would be back here at some point
this season. As a matter of fact, the point that
I brought up with that person who brought it up
on Twitter is I said, I was at the media
event at the Astros throw every year before they head
out to West Palm Beach for spring training, and he
was talking about Alex Bregman in the past of saying,
when you lose a guy like Tucker and Bregman, I
mean that should have been the giveaway right there of Hey,

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guess what, despite any effort, we're not going to have
number two in an Astros uniform going forward. Estakpretis is
our third baseman now, like get used to it, get
to know it, and that's the way the situation is
going to be going forward. But it's also too from
the efforts of Dana Brown. Why I think he's done
a fantastic job as the Astros GM of the draft,

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and I've told you what his strategy is for the draft,
and it's very similar to the way that he handled
things when he was in Atlanta with the Braves. And
this is a strategic approach of draft up the middle.
Draft catchers, draft a lot of pitchers, draft center fielders.
And with that last part right there, it is a

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situation where you're looking for roster versatility. At that point,
you can draft a guy that comes out of high
school or college and they're a middle endfielder, they're a
center fielder, and you can put some weight on them.
Put him over at third base, put him, you know,
over at first base, put him in right field, put
him in left field. You know, just be able to
have that chance to be able to, you know, move

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them along as they go through the minor league system,
playing different positions, and you know, therefore, when you get
him up to the major league level, they're not just
a guy that's played one position their entire life. There's
somebody that you know, is Joe Aspota looks at his
lineup card is able to say, Okay, I can plug
that guy out and right I can plug him out
in left field, and you know, a guy that's a

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shortstopper a second basement and mostly you know, shortstops is
what he goes with there. But I mean, you know,
being able to create some sort of versatility all throughout
the minor league system and the elephant in the room,
I think when it comes to Dana Brown.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Is what he had to do when he took over
this job.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
I mean the two off season signings that the Astros
had made, not through him, but through somebody that was
the acting GM at the time.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I mean, Brown finally.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Came along and when he gained the trust of Jim
Crane said we're not going to Grin and Barrett with
these guys on the field anymore. You know, Raffael Montero,
he's not getting it done. We're going to DFA And
they brought him back and they have him in the
minor league system and we'll see if he's able to
break camp this year. But money be damned, I mean,
you need to win ball games when it's all said
and done. You need to be able to throw strikes
and get outs on the mound, and that's not what

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he was able to do.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
And then the same deal with you know, Joseah bray you.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I mean, I think the Astros tried their best, but
they finally got to a point where they just said, yeah,
this just isn't working. We wish you the best, and
if you get back in the Major League baseball, well,
you know, hopefully you're able to figure some things out.
But with your advanced age and you know, just the
swing looking like it's slowing down, all those different things,
we just don't see a path that this is going

(21:38):
to get any better. And we'll just eat the money
and go from there. And that's the part of all
of this that I think that people are hung up
on is thinking that this last offseason the Astros took
the cheaper approach of trying to build this team. Well,
I mean, for starters, they had to because of where
they are against the competitive balance tax. Also too, I

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mean for the money that you already have on the
books having you know, you're sending out money by trading
away Ryan Presley and that creates a huge need in
the back end of the bullpen. But I mean it's
also for all of the criticism that he had last
year for how can you trade Joey loperfdo Will Wagner
and the crew that you sent up to Toronto for

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a rental for you, say, Kakuchi, Well, the Astros don't
win the West last year without you, say Kakuchi, that's
number one. That's for starters, And I mean, you don't
make that deal. You're probably talking about the Seattle Mariners
winning the West and the Astros not even getting to
the wild Card round to lose to the Detroit Tigers.
That would have been Detroit taking on Seattle at that point,
so you know, the streak of making it to the

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postseason winning the Ale West that would have been out
the window. So he knew that a move had to
be made. Time he did what was needed to be
able to make the move. And while it hurt to
see Loperfdo go away, you know, at the same time,
I mean, you know you're you're not putting yourself in
position to compete for the Aos. So I had zero
issues with that. But the flip side of it widely

(23:07):
lauded for what he got in return for Kyle Tucker.
I mean, I think, if anything, it was a even
better trade for him in that regard of what you
get in return of now your top prospect. Cam Smith
also to Kyle Tucker, you know, was going to be
in a walk here as is, and I mean you
had a slim to none chance with Alex Bregman being

(23:30):
able to bring him back this year, you had no
chance at being able to bring back Kyle Tucker next year.
And Dana Brown went against what the Astros norm has
been for players in a walk here. Usually in the
past it's been now, let's let it ride and then
we'll see what happens in the offseason. He knew without
a shadow of a doubt. Okay, kind of like we
talked about with the Yusai Kakuchi trade, that the Astros

(23:51):
can compete this year and they can win with Kyle Tucker.
But then after that, what are we talking about. You're
having to try to supplement through trades and also through
free agency with one less trade chip going forward, and
while you have them under club control, go ahead and
get the most you can right now. And that's what
they decided to do. And you're able to, as I mentioned,
get Smith back. You're able to get a guy that

(24:13):
plays really well to Dyke in Park in East Okperetis,
who has great pull power and somebody that people believe
playing in that ballpark this year could be a thirty
plus home run guy in an Astros uniform. And also
to getting Hayden was Nesky, I mean somebody they feel
pretty good about, you know, being able to go through
the pitching program that the Astros have with Josh Miller

(24:36):
and the crew over there that have been able to
have a reclamation project or two during their time in
the Astros systems. So I mean fantastic trade right there,
going out and finally getting a solid first baseman, something
the Astros have not had since twenty twenty two when
Julie Guriol was last in an Astro's uniform. I mean,

(24:58):
you had some good things in twenty three, you know,
later on the season from a bray you, but then
you had an absolute hole over there last year. I mean,
you liked what John Singleton was able to give you
at times, but you're not a postseason contender with John
Singleton over at first base.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
And it was something that kind of surprised.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Me a little bit when they went out and got
Christian Walker, because I thought with all the money they
had tied up in a bray you over there, that
they were just going to say, hey, let's kind of
platoon it for one more year, and then the following
year we'll make a run at it. So I mean,
without seeing what the free agency crop is out there,
I think that they probably looked at it and said, yeah,
it's not gonna be that great next year, so let's
go ahead and lock up our guy now, and we'll

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be able to go from there with you know, having
a good solid first basement over there. So for all
the moves that he's made and for all the messes
he's had to clean up, I think that if nothing else,
I mean, you know, it's one of those things too.
When I brought this up with wex off the air,
Adam Wexler, you know, he had said, okay, well, let's
also look at it as if he hadn't done anything,

(25:58):
like you know, how how would people look at Dana Brown?
And I said, I think they look at him just fine.
I mean, I think if nothing else, he's been able
to find good fines out there in players, and you
know also too, I mean, I think the most recent
example is a guy that's been a two to sixty
plus hitter his entire career and a Gold Glove winner
that you were able to get on a one year
deal earlier this week in Brendan Rodgers, and I understand

(26:20):
what his splits are at Corsfield. Away from Corsfield, all
of that, that's fine, But look at the Astros track
record of being able to bring guys in, get them
through their system, get them with their hitting coaches, the analytics,
everything else that they've been able to put forth with
players in the past and seeing the results. I mean,
a few years ago you traded for a little known
utility player from the San Francisco Giants and Mauricio Dubon

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and now he's become really kind of one of the
cornerstones of your team going forward, and you were fully
prepared before adding Rodgers to have him likely be the
every day, almost every day second basement with Al Twove
out in left field. So I think he's done a
fantastic job. I mean, I know that he's got some detractors,
and I mean, being a GM in any sport is

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one of the most thankless jobs known to man, because
it's kind of like quarterback and football. You can throw
four four touchdown passes in a game, but you throw
that interception late, that's what everybody's gonna remember about you.
And I mean it's kind of the same thing that
executives in any of the major sports have to deal with,
and you know, Dana Brown's not excluded from that.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
So I get all of that.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
But I mean, if you're looking for perfection out of
the job, I don't think you're ever gonna find that.
I think you're gonna be sadly disappointed. So been very
pleased with the work of Dana Brown during his time
with the Astros. Again, if you want to get in
on the phone lines, you can do so Sebone three
two one two five seven ninety. Once again, that's Sebon
one three two one two five seven ninety. As I

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mentioned earlier this week, Matt and Ross were out in
West Palm Beach. They had a chance to catch up
with many members of the Astros organization, Dana Brown, Joe
a spot up. But coming up next, we're gonna hear
their conversation they had with Christian Waller has mentioned him
as being one of the newest Astros added over the
off season. Really good conversation out of a guy that

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I think is going to become a clubhouse leader for
this team. So we'll hear from him coming up next, right,
here on at Space City Saturday. Is again Dan Matthews
here at the Fetida Center inside the Jim Nance Media Center.
By the way too, before we go to break, shout
out to Jeff Conrad and the U of H sid
department here.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Jeff's a consonant pro and.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
He has treated us really well over the years and
able to set us up here today inside the Nance
Media Center. So appreciate that and always want to give
a shout out to JC whenever have a chance. So
we'll here from Christian Walker next right here on Space
City Saturday, as that's.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Coming your way.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Right here, Dan Matthews here on your home of the
Astros and the Rockets, Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Exact Space City Saturday on Sports Talks.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Space City Saturday.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Jeez, roll along here from the Fortita Center again a
little bit later on today Houston taking on Iowa State.
Dan Matthews here inside the Jim Nance Media Center and
college game day happening out there. So while we hear
from Christian Walker, might head out there and see what's
happening out on the floor inside for Tita Center. Is

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a lot of exciting stuff here and also to Astros Baseball,
coming your way an hour from now is when we
will start the coverage from there in West Palm Beach
between the Astros and the Nationals.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
But speaking of.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
Christian Walker, we're gonna hear from him right now, the
newest Astro on a new three year deal to play
first base, and the early returns from Joe Aspata and
everybody have been incredibly positive.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think you really enjoy this visit that he had with.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Matt Thomas and Ross Villarrial where the conversation started with
the guys asking Christian, hey, you know, a little bit
of an interesting offseason for you.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
What was different about this one?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Definitely quiet periods and and crazy periods of the off season. Fortunately,
we had a little bit of leverage coming in, so
I wasn't too worried about, you know, if if somebody
was gonna call, It was just a matter of finding
the right fit and the place that that I wanted
to play.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
There.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
There's not a lot of chances and opportunities in the
business side of things these days to get.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
To pick where you play.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, try to pick a place where you want to play.
So so we were we wanted to use that to
our advantage, and you know, Arizona was great, but but
it was pretty far from home for us. We live
in South Carolina, so so going into the off season,
my wife and I had Houston circled. It was a
city that we were excited to be a part of
and just super pumped when when the front office reached out.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
And what's it been like for you getting here, getting
acclimated obviously first full team workout here today, but from
the outside looking in and now kind of being here
for a little bit, getting to know the guys that
the the Astros.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's the club clubhouse, he feel for you. Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
It's uh, you can tell winning is is at the forefront.
But in the same sense, you know, at this time
of the year, it's just getting back into the swing
of things, and it's it's a pretty lighthearted attitude.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I think.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
You know, you see guys working hard and getting their
reps in, but also you know, joking around and having fun.
It's it's a it's a good time of year. We're
all we're all got the itch after a long off
season and uh, you know, being being back in the
good weather and playing playing baseball again is what we want.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Did Judy recon about the astros An organization when you
knew they were on the short list for yourself.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
A little bit, a little bit other than the obvious things.
You know, it's it's cool, uh, you know, meeting a
guy like Bagwell, getting to have some conversations with him,
how much pride he has for this organization. And you know,
he said something today he's been wearing this this uniform
since nineteen ninety so so here and hearing little things
like that really reminds you of the culture and uh,

(31:48):
you know, the the winning tradition.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
Three straight gold gloves for yourself. First of where are they?
I mean, do you have them in your at the house?
Or where where can I find the gold glove of yours?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, they're they're in the house. I have a little
workout room upstairs with some some gears, some bats that
I've had signed by guys and some teammates, and and
they're in there, you know, on the on the.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
The trophy rack if you will. Who was your first
baseman idol growing up? That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
So I didn't actually start playing first base until college.
Growing up, high school, middle school, I was I was
in infielder, but mostly third base.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, I loved watching Scott Roland. He was he
was my guy.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I got a chance. I was a Phillies fan growing up,
so he came through Philly and and you know, watching
him was was a lot of fun. And then and
then Ryan Howard. You know that that first year he
had that rookie year, broke onto the scene and that
was that was a lot of fun to watch too.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
I was.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
I was in high school for that.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
When we were growing up, and probably you as well.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
A lot of the first basemen were big stye guys.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Just find a place for him. First of all.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
I grew up watching Jeff Bagwell, so I knew there
was intricacies to it, uh, Juligiel before a couple of
years before your same situation. The art of playing first base, thankfully,
I think is no longer just put.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
The fact out there.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
It's a skill holding runners on fielding your position. Well,
tell me the biggest adjustment for you going from the
left side of the to the right side of the
infield and being able to say, yeah, I want to
own this part of the field.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think what helped me was was playing on the
other side of the enfield at one point and knowing
what it's like to feel like you have to make
a perfect throw, feel like you got to hit somebody
in the chest over there for them to make the play.
And you know, I pride myself on not being that guy.
I want to be somebody that, you know, my shortstop
can lay out in the hole and come up and
throw from his knees and know that if he gets
it close, we're going to make the out. That that

(33:35):
always helped me as an infielder, know when I had
somebody over there. So you know, that's something that's important
to me playing first base.

Speaker 8 (33:40):
Now, Grescer Walker, newest Houston astro with us here on
the radio program.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Very excited that you came here because.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
We were all anxious about what's going to happen with
Alex and figuring out with Kyle and whatnot. When you
finally signed on the dotted line. Tell me what it
was like trying to find your teammates, know what was
going to be there, and honestly, this infield is going
to be completely different. How long do you think it's
gonna take? And is there gonna be a magic day
that you're go all right?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
We as a collective group know what we're doing in
here now, it's hard to pick a data. I think
I think Tony Perry's cheek is gonna do a great
job of making sure we get quality reps out there together.
I think practicing fast is important. Yeah, you know, feeling out,
feeling out each other's range and and you know, like
something little like knowing that you know, Juban is such
a great arm Uh. But but trying to figure out

(34:28):
his arm action. Does he does he cut it? Does
he does he does he throw it clean? You know,
is it is it a true ball? Does it have armside?
You know, everybody has the has their tendencies. So so it's, uh,
it's fun to get to know, you know, some new
really really good infielders. How long can that take to
get used to in that climation this time of the year,
it happens pretty quick. It's uh, it's never really a struggle.
It's just you know, before we know it here, we're

(34:50):
gonna have hundreds of ground balls together and you know,
hundreds of double plays that we've turned on the backfield.
So it happens quick, i'd say, here, and you know,
about a week or so, we you all start feeling
pretty comfortable with each other.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
You have a lot left in your career, But once
the clock turns thirty and beyond, did you have to
adjus getting ready for this season, getting maybe a little
sooner as compared to maybe when you're in your twenties
coming up in the game.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, yes, I know.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I think there's there's a side of it where the
more time you spend around the game, the more you
know yourself and you know your routine and you know
what you need to be ready for a season. Sprint trainings,
it can be. It can be a long amount of
time and it can be short.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
It's a right.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's like some years you feel like you just you're
not clicking. You're not clicking, and then all the opening
day comes and it's it's it's it's lightning, and and
then other years it's like by ten at bats in
you feel like you're in a good spot and you
could go to opening Day the next day. So it's
you know, the the the age or anything like that.
That's that's that's nothing that's on my radar. My body
feels good. I spend a decent amount of time in

(35:52):
the weight room. It's something that I pride myself on
It's it's helped me stay on the field for a while, so,
you know, feeling strong, feeling feeling ready to go and
looking to looking forward to playing a lot of games.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
Your overall thoughts about playing it at what Dyke and
Park now you've been there obviously a few times over
your career.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Very excited. I like the dome field. I think that's cool.
I think I think the consistency in the environment, knowing
you know that the weather in Houston and the rain
I'm sure, I'm sure it can come as in quick
and the humidity and all that. So knowing if there's
a home game we're playing, that mental uh, just just
knowing what to expect, getting into a routine. You know,
there's there's nothing like waking up on a gloomy day
and trying to figure out if there's going to be

(36:30):
a delay or if you're hitting VP on the field
and this and that. So so I'm looking forward to that.
And then you know, the fans. It's something that's always
stuck out to me coming in as a visiting team,
is playing in front of the fan base.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
What was your conversation's been like so far with Joe's
Spott because I mean, as you know, first base was
in flux for the last couple of years. Now you like,
give you a big hug, say, I'm happy to put
you at first base every day. Any conversation is also
about DG and can.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
You play left field? Yeah, we're trying to figure out
leftover man. The mother wants to play left field.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Of Parlan and I actually coming up with a few
different teams. There was a lot of really good first
basement in front of me, so I have played left field.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Oh that's glare.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
We got funks head.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Here we go, hopefully when you just started a controversy
and see it because it's not it's not pretty out there, no,
I mean, I mean d H and cool like if
that's something where you know, it's a way to maybe
take a day and and and get the legs back
under me. But but honestly, I like to be out
in the field. I think it helped me stay in
the routine offensively and you know, stay moving, and it's

(37:30):
it's something that I've I've just grown up doing. I
enjoy I enjoy being out in the field for sure,
But but yeah, I think I think there's something too,
uh coming in and feeling valued. You know that that
makes you excited to play and makes you excited to
prove everybody, everybody right, You know that the standards are real,
the expectations are real, and it's it's something that that
you crave as as a big leaguer. You want do

(37:51):
you want somebody to put pressure on you and and
you have to go out and prove it. So you're
South Carolina or native Yeah, no, no, no, I grew
up grew up at just tell Us out of Philly.

Speaker 8 (37:59):
Oh gonna say, because I was like, you have no
accent whatsoever. You have a Philly accent, of a South
Carolina accent, none of that.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, they've they've both kind of disappeared. I I
went to school there obviously, and and just fell in
up with the area and never left. But grew up
just outside of Philly, the.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Same city as Mike Piazza and Gino Arima. Do your research, Matt,
Come on, yeah, Telly, let's sort it by the way.
We know, we know you. We know your dog's names too. Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
What was it Dottie and uh Jack Jackson, Millie Millie
we had we had there's a cat. Oh, Okay, yeah,
she's she's a she belongs to the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Oh really, the neighborhood cat. Yeah, she's just so under.

Speaker 8 (38:33):
What part of South Caroln do you in Columbia itself or.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
We do just north of Columbia. We're like, we're like
fifteen minutes from campus.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
So can you walk around town in cognito or do
you do?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
People stuck at the grocery store.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
They they they recognized me for sure, But it's it's
it's more from the game Cock days than from pro ball.
The braves of the team there, so so everybody knows knows.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
The game Cocks more than more than that.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
Did they realize how many home aren't you hit in
the last five years?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, Arizona. Arizona was cool. It's a crazy thing getting recognized.
It's humbling and all that. But but back home in
South Carolina, it's it's mostly from the from the national championships.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Okay, uh As, I've never been to talk Kilana apparently
quite an experience. I mean for football basketball, the women's
team never loses.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I mean, I don't know that's all about.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Yeah they did, they did any s SEC smack talk
in the clubhouse at this point, not.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yet, not yet.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I'm sure it'll start once, especially when football season starts
back up, but but nothing, nothing so far.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Well, we're very happy to have you here. Such a
nice surprise when you came here. I mean, I mean,
we're anxious, but this is.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Kind of new to us.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
We we've known Briggs, we've known you you'rely Goarly a
couple of years ago, and we've had JV and Kyle Tucker.
This is, uh, you're actually coming on at a bad
time because I think they're all your teammates trying to
figure out what the.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Vibe is going to be right now.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a fun time. It's it's uh,
you know, guys, guys come and go. It's it's part
of the business side of things. Unfortunately, you know, you
never want to lose guys, especially people who you know,
we're staple in the lineup and a part of a
lot of successful years. But I think there's a there's
a cool opportunity about that of being able to keep
the success going with a different group of guys, different responsibilities,

(40:11):
different roles. And so far the clubhouse has been great
and I'm looking forward to, you know, Continuing to.

Speaker 8 (40:18):
Metch, he alluded to the DH for let you run.
Do you like the DH once in a while to
get off your feet a little bit? Or is that
you just I need to be at I'm in the lineup.
I need to be at first base.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
So I mean, I would much rather be at first base.
But I would rather be in the lineup than not
at all. A full day off, yeah, period, So you know,
if that's a way to get some at bats and
help the team on days where you know, maybe we're
trying to rest up the legs or something like that,
for sure, very very interested in something like that. But
but if it was my call, I'd be at first

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every day.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
There you go, Christian Walker joining Matt Thomas and Rossville
Reale earlier this week there in West Palm Beach.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
So good stuff from him.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
And if you miss any of that conversation with Christian Walker,
you can of course check it out on the new
and improved Free iHeartRadio app where of course you can
have us as a pre set there, the fast forward function,
all of those different types of things whenever you're listening
to podcasts, whether with us here on Sports Talk seven

(41:17):
ninety or any of our iHeart Radio properties that are
on there, you can be able to do that. I
mean this thing I'm telling you for my money and
a guy that listens to a lot of podcasts is
about as good a medium as you're going to find
in terms of being able to get everything that you want.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
And we pretty much have everything on there.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
So you want some good music, bingo right there for
you on the free, new and improved iHeart Radio app.
All right, coming up next the Astros outfield situation, some
massive question marks and all three spots. We'll dive into
that as we close out the first hour. Also to
if it's not here, coming up next maybe even the

(41:55):
next hour, Joseph d'orte from the Houston Chronicle. I think
it's going to stop by and join us for a
few minutes, so look forward to being able to catch
up with him. As again we are live here at
the Fertida Center as the kop is going to take
on Iowa State a little bit later on this afternoon,
as we'll continue to move along here on Space City Saturday,
Dean Matthews here on your home of the Astros and

(42:17):
the Rockets Sports Talks seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
We now return to Space City Saturday on Sports Talk
seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Talks seven ninety Dan Matthews here live at the Fertida Center.
As a couple of hours from now, you of h
and Iowa State cann be taken on each other here
inside the Fratida Center and we will have that over
on kPr C in nine point fifty. Is the crew
put it on that broadcast at twelve forty five and

(42:46):
full sight of games today across not only here but
over on KPRT nine fifty as well as mentioned exactly
an hour from now, it's gonna be Astros baball hitting
here and spring training acting.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
It gets under one of.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
The guys trying to fight for a spot on this team.
A little bit of bad news this morning. I mean,
you're gonna have injuries in there during spring training. Usually
it's mostly on the pitching side, as we've found out
with Caleb Boards, also with Sean Duban and even the
guys too who are trying to make their way back
and a Lance McCullers and also Luis Garcia. But Taylor

(43:22):
Tremmel running the bases yesterday strained his right calf and
the club says he's going to be out for a while,
so we'll see what happens with him trying to make
this club. But he's a guy that's trying to vie
for some playing time in that outfield this year for
the Astros. That without Kyle Tucker. Oh, let's call it.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
What it is.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
I mean, you know, you think you know what you
have in Chas McCormick out there in right field. But
the problem is last year was a little bit of
a concern for you where you're kind of like, oh man,
did the league catch up with him and he just
wasn't able to make the adjustment, but able to make
some adjustments over the off season.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
He says he feels good. The club likes what they've.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Seen from him already with some of those offseason tweaks
that he made to his swing and to his plate approach,
and you know, hoping that he is able to be
a factor for this team in at twenty twenty five.
And with Jake Myers, I mean, it's one of those
things with him that it's defense first, and that's first
and foremost why you have.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Him in the lineup.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
I mean, he's almost kind of, you know, to a
certain point of he's not an offensive liability like Martin
Maldonado was. But it was also to people questioning Dusty Baker, Hey,
why do you continue to throw that guy out there?
If you've seen the way that he handles a pitching
staff and the way that he calls a game. Yeah,
that's why I have that guy out there is because
he's incredibly valuable from that perspective, And I mean it's

(44:43):
kind of the same with Myers. He does give you
a little bit more with the power, but the strikeouts
are high, and the batting average it's not great, and
you know, all the other offensive metrics still same deal
with that. So you know, he's a guy that you
know is going to be the nine hole hitter for
this team this year and you're just hoping that you
get just a little bit more offensively out of him.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
But the left field situation.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
I mean, it was even with Alex Bregman, you know,
way out of the picture. You were, you know, trending
towards having Jose Altuve out there and left and that's
where he's continued to work throughout the first week of
spring training. He's not going to be on the field
playing in games. According to what Joe spottas said yesterday,
for about another week, same deal with most of the

(45:26):
veteran guys going to be able to kind of get
them getting some work, live vps, all of those different
types of things on the backfields there in West Palm
before you get them into live action. But they also
too want to continue to get him some work out
there and left. And it's also I think, you know,
again the internal discussions that you've heard Dana Brown mentioned

(45:48):
with us numerous times. That was something that you know,
even Joe Spotta had told us a few weeks ago
at FanFest over at DIYK in Park that they had
talked with Altove about this, and he said, yeah, hey,
look helps us win ball game, then I'm all for it.
And not only that, I mean it's also to the
declining defense that he's had over at second base the
last few years that they felt like they needed to

(46:09):
improve that part of their infield and a way to
do that is to have Valtuve playing elsewhere. And we've
seen players in the past make a move out to
the outfield. I mean, you know a couple of examples
that come to mind. One current is Fernandelo Tatis with
the Padres. I mean, he was a guy that was
supposed to be one of the best young shortstops in
the game, had some injury concerns, and they said, all right,

(46:31):
kind of like what the Angels just did with Mike Trout,
move them out to right field. And that way he's
not exerting as much physically where he's not going to
break down health wise, and you're able to continue to
have him in your lineup. And that's what the Angels
are hoping that they can have at Arvale this season,
is a healthy Mike Trout now that he's no longer

(46:51):
in center field. And I mean we saw Chipper Jones
do it a few years ago with the Braves when
they added Vinnie Castilla. They asked him, Hey, you cool
with moving out to left field. He said, yeah, sure.
I mean, you know, I've done a lot of good
things over here at third base. But if that's gonna
help us win ball games, then absolutely, I'm all for it.
And seems like those have been the reports all across
the board for AL two ve. I like to which
Chandler roam throughout on Twitter yesterday too of L two

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A walking with the outfielders coming in, and said, the
outfielders are coming through, so already adjusting it to his
new life in an Astros uniform. And it's gonna be
interesting to see number twenty seven out there at Dykin
Park in front of the Crawford boxes, so I'm sure
he will probably be well received by the fans out there.
So we'll see what it looks like with jose Al

(47:38):
Tuove out and left here coming up soon. But that's
our one in the books. Our two coming up again.
It's gonna be a shortened hour because at eleven fifty
we're gonna break away and get you over to the
Astros radio network for the Astros and the Nationals spring
training action underway there in West Palm Beach, So we'll

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have that. But coming up next might be joined by
Joseph Dwarte. But if he doesn't swing through, well let's
get into the Texans Stadium situation, because I know a
lot of you have some thoughts on that, and I
do as well share some of them with you the
other night on the Nightcap. But we can do that again.
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But again we've gotten into a lot of Astro's discussion.
I wanted to get into some of the news that
broke a couple of days ago from Jonathan m Alexander
and the crew over at the Houston Chronicle of the
Texans stadium suation. I know a lot of you have
some thoughts on that if you want to weigh in,
and Dylan McGinnis also part of that story. One to

(51:05):
be able to give proper attribution to that. But the
Texans pretty much right now face with two options. Number one,
try to be able to renovate NRG Stadium and improve
it as much as possible, or even to start doing
the kicking the tires scenario of start looking at places, Hey,

(51:27):
if we were to build our own thing, like where
else could we go? And I mean, you know, there's
a lot of different things, voting referendums, also to approaching
the county, all of those other types of options that
are out there. So that's what the Texans are dealing
with at the moment. But one of the things that
I think probably started to raise some antennas when it

(51:52):
came to this scenario was when the Texans a few
weeks ago hired Mike Toeman as their new team president.
And immediately to see the background on Toneman and you see, oh,
oh okay, yeah, he helped open up the stadium there
in La same deal two with the Raiders in Vegas.
So he has, as it quotes in the story, an

(52:12):
extensive history in stadium developments. So immediately when that happened,
I shot out some texts to some you know, colleagues
in the industry, and I was like, this doesn't really
seem like it's by mistake that this guy is here.
Like we've been hearing, you know, rumors that the Texans
wanted to do some improvements to NRG Stadium and that

(52:33):
they were going to try to get working on that.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Here pretty soon.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
But I also when I saw that, I said, I
think this guy's here to try to convince those in
power that's, hey, you know, this stadium is.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Not good enough.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
We need to be able to play somewhere else here
in the coming years. And I think that, you know,
at least the story points out that that is a
real possibility.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So as the story states.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
In the Houston Chronicle that one point four billion dollars
is needed over thirty years at NRG Stadium, according to
a recent assessment, to be able to improve the stadium,
so the Texans could look at it and say, all right,
do we improve this thing or do we just go
ahead and look elsewhere? Because if that type of money

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is going to be spent, why wouldn't we just do
the ask for an entirely new venue. And the Harris
County Houston Sports Authority is currently paying one billion dollars
in bonds to help build NRG Stadium and that's going
to be paid off by twenty fifty six. And also
to that's part of you know, the funding for dyke

(53:40):
In Park and for Toyota Center as well, and the
Sports Authority themselves would not have the money to be
able to finance a new stadium.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
So that's the other part of it.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Is that, you know, it'd be the Texans going to
the Harris County taxpayers and saying, hey, you guys, cool
with fronting the money for us to build an entirely
new venue. And I know a ton of you out
there have said absolutely not. I'm not gonna have my
property taxes and everything else go up because you want
a shiny new toy to be able to get Super
Bowls here, and you know, to be able to call
your own, because, as I mentioned the other night, there's

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one thing that is a constant across sports when it
comes to billionaire owners is when somebody else has a
shiny new toy, well they want their own as well.
And I'm assuming that probably Cal and Hannah have gone
around to other new venues around the league and also
to seeing some of them that have you know, nice
little mixed use developments outside and that they're able to

(54:35):
control that revenue and be able to add that to
their bottom line and say, yeah, hey, you know I
want that too. I want to be able to, you know,
earn as much as possible and be able to, you know,
you make this investment even better. And you know that's
something else that the Texans might decide.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
So see some of you wanting the weigh in on
the phone lines.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
If you want to do that, you can do so
someone three two one two five seven.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
But I mean you also have to consider.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
That, you know, this is a scenario that I think
probably has a little bit of a trained response from
some remembering the old oiler days of you know, when
Bud Adams and crew were trying to get the oilers
in New Stadium and it was his dealings with the
county and with the city of Houston. That really kind
of rubbed them the wrong way that they were just like, okay, fine,

(55:24):
if Nashville is flirting with you, go to Nashville, Like,
we don't care.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
At this point, you've clearly.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Given up on putting a product on the field that
you necessarily care about, you know, winning ballgames, and actually
want to do the best you can here in Houston.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
So if you want to move on, then move on.
You know, no harm, no foul.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
And they said, all right, fine, we'll do that, and
that's exactly what they did.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I don't envision the Texans doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
I think the McNair's you know, relationship with the community,
I mean while fractured at times, and you know, Ac
brought up that point the other day on the show,
and he's not wrong. Where you know, the Jackie Easter
be yere that did a lot to you know, harbor
some ill will towards the fans and also towards you know,

(56:07):
just the fan reaction to the team as well. So
I mean, you know, I think that that's been part
of it. And you know, ever since then, with the
hiring of Demiko Ryans and also winning on the field.
That's improved things as well. And you know, all of
a sudden, a hot item again, and when you're hot

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and you have the popularity, that's the time to be
able to go and do the ask for people to
be able to.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Front the money for you.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
So you know, I mean, I think this thing is
going to be an ever changing story. In terms of
the Texans leaving, I don't envision that being the case.
I mean, where else could they go? And there there
are no other major markets that would be able to
support the team at this point. They're pretty much all
taken up by the league. So you know, I think
that option is off the table. But Montgomery County for

(56:56):
Ben County, Yeah, that's a possibility too as well. I
mean we've seen teams do that in the past. I
mean when I was in Atlanta, the Braves did that,
going to Cobb County and saying, hey, will you build
us a brand new stadium? They said, yes, absolutely we will.
So if you want to get in on this topic,
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Before we get Joseph Warte from the Houston Chronicle in

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with us. Martin and Angleton wants the weigh in on
the Texans Stadium situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Martin, What's what's going on, buddy? Hey?

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Dan?

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
I thought that there was an option of of the
taxes being raised to pay for this through the visitors
in convention bureau type situation where visitors into the city,
like hotel taxes and whatever other taxes that visitors pay.
I thought that that was a bible option.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I mean they've done that in the past.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
I mean, obviously that's how then Enron Field was built
at dyk In Park. I think they did the same
thing for Toyota Center and even for NRG Stadium as well.
But I mean I think they're kind of tapped out
on that. Martin is the problem. I mean, it's one
of those Okay, you can continue to raise those, but
then it starts to hurt your tourism and I mean,

(01:00:53):
you know, people they come here. I mean, it starts
to become a situation of you come here, you run
a car, you you know, you you get a hotel room,
and you see you know, you're getting taxed out of
the gord for that, and you're just kind of like, well,
do I even want to go back there if I'm
going to have to pay all those fees. So, I mean,
I just I think that they're kind of up against
it with that. I mean, it almost kind of sounds

(01:01:14):
like and somebody brought this up in the comments when
we posted the video from the A team when I
was in Atlanta and the Falcons built Mercedes Benz Stadium.
They had said it from the beginning, it's a private
public partnership where some of the money is going to
come from the city, from Fulton County, but also too
that Arthur Blank ponied up a lot of money of
his own and said, yeah, I want this thing to

(01:01:35):
become a reality, and that's how they were able to
do that. And the Texans as of right now, I
mean the story you know states they only pay four
million dollars a year in rent to rent NRG Stadium.
The county owns the stadium. The Rodeo owns the stadium,
so it's this them as a tenant. And I mean
they've got one of the best, you know, rent structures

(01:01:56):
in the league, and I think they kind of want
to continue doing that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Well, okay, I just thought it was still still uh
an option.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:02:06):
I don't, I don't. I mean, all these businesses that
come in they have it has to do with oil
and gas and natural gas and stuff like that. These conventions.
I don't think they're going to worry about that too
much because the companies are paying a lot of that,
I think for their employees to come into Houston for
stuff like that. But yeah, oh well, I just thought

(01:02:28):
i'd throw it out there. I hope it gets built.
I hope it gets built because it attract it attracts
UH super Bowls and this and that and UH and UH.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Anyway, that's definitely the goal for sure. Appreciate the call
Martin Again. If you want to join Martin on the
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Speaker 10 (01:02:56):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
He is Joseph d'Arte Houston Chronicle joining here on a
Space City Saturday for UH takes on Iowa State number
five against number eight. Joseph, appreciate the time, man, It's
good to see you again. It's been a while since
we've been able to catch up. But you know, with
this game today, I mean, this is a UH team
that all season long has been playing good, consistent basketball.

(01:03:18):
There was the scuffle a little bit out in Las Vegas,
but aside from that, it's been a pretty good run
for them this season. Is there anything necessarily that surprises
you about this experienced team.

Speaker 10 (01:03:29):
Well, you know, you mentioned, you know, the four and
three start, and they were sort of feeling their way
through things.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Had a new point guard, and Miles Susan.

Speaker 10 (01:03:37):
But I think it surprised me is the level that
they they've sort of taken control of the Big twelve.
I mean, you're fourteen and one. You want to believe
it's eighteen of the last nineteen overall. So since that
Vegas trip here, your only loss is by one point
to Texas Tech. So they can play defense. We all
know that they force turnovers and now they can shoot,

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and that's the rest to be for a deep march run.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
So I'm not sure if I'm surprised.

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
I think it's just we knew they'd be good at
some point, because that's what Keilvin Sampson does. I just
think that the manner that they've sort of taken control
of the Big twelve races has been a little bit
of a surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
How key is Emmanuel Shark to this team?

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
Oh he's huge, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:04:19):
You know, he had gone through a little bit of
a mini slamp, been dealing with a foot injury, and
you know he's zero for ten going into the second
half against Arizona State, theeld that I had over the
last two games, and then he hits four to three.
He's just like that boom boom boom boom. And that's
when this team is at its best.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
You know that LJ. Crier is your consistent score.

Speaker 10 (01:04:40):
You've got Milos who's really turned into a really good score.
You need Emmanuel Sharp and Keilvin Sampson said as much.
They're at their best when he's at his best. So
they've got to have him. And I thought it was
a good sign and Timpy that he started to turn
things around again.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Joseph Dwarts He joined us here inside the Jim Nance
Media Center for Tita Center ahead of today uh and
Iowa State basketball game. You know one guy too that
I think is kind of an unsung hero of this
team is Juwan Roberts and what he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Able to do.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
I mean, you know what you're gonna get from him
on the offensive end, but it's mostly the defensive end.
I mean, how much of a key for this team
is he?

Speaker 10 (01:05:17):
Well, you know, you you just look at the experience
and he's a six year guy. You don't see that
very often, but you know, he's the glue that keeps
things together. And especially in the front court. You've got
guys like Jojo Tugler that look up to him and J. J.
Vier or Francis has has come along with the help

(01:05:37):
of Jay One. But you know, he's a guy that
not only does he play on the defensive end, they
go through him a lot on the offense and they
try to make things happen, and when teams try to
take it away like they did on the last trip,
at opens up things for the guards. So huge part
of the team. And what's amazing, Kelvin's been here eleven years.
Jaywan Roberts been here for six of those years. He

(01:06:00):
has about two hundred and eighty six wins. Roberts has
about one hundred and fifty of those. So that just
shows you the impact and the imprint that he's had.
And the funny thing was Kelvin joke the other night
he was probably about a one point seventy five star
when they recruited.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I mean, he.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Didn't give him that too. Jay Wan'll tell you he
was a three.

Speaker 10 (01:06:18):
But it just shows you they develop and the player
eventually turns into a star.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
And you know, as I was walking into the building today,
you know, was listening to the game day crew out
there on the courts and I think it was Seth
Greenberg that they had showed the twenty twenty one Final
four banner and he said, this team's better than that
twenty one team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
I mean, are you seeing the same things?

Speaker 10 (01:06:42):
You know, that was a really good team, and I
think since then those are what the others have been
measured against. But shooting wise, I think it can be better.
I think from one to eight, one to nine they
are deeper. But until you get to the tournament and
you actually do it that those are big shoes to compare.

(01:07:03):
But I think that if you look at the way
the whole nation is set up right now in which
teams could factor in, Houston's on a very short list
of schools that could win it. And it's just a
matter of you got to stay healthy, and that has
not happened for them, and you've got to get hot,
and you got to be consistent. And I think those
things will happen because Kelvin sort of, you know, demands it.

(01:07:27):
You just got to stay healthy and that's the key, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I mean a huge part of that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
And you know, having conversations with you know, U of
h fans about this is it seems like that's been
the issue the last few years. It's just this demanding
physical style they play well, there's a shelf life to that.
I mean, as you pointed out, I mean we've seen
it play out. We saw it play out that way
last year when they got to the sweet sixteen. But
do you think that maybe there is a little bit
of tweaking with the rotation that we've seen from Kelvin

(01:07:52):
Sampson this year to kind of, you know, be able
to keep those guys as fresh as possible done stretch.

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
Well, that was the that was the question asked this week,
and he admitted that somebody like l J. Cryer, he'd
like to get him some more in and out of
the game to give him a breather. Beyond that, you
want to keep some type of rhythm going this type
of year, so you're not just gonna mass sub and
hold guys out. You're not gonna pull back, so to speak.
But I think you do try to find your moments

(01:08:18):
where you're not pushing a guy thirty five thirty eight.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
Minutes a game.

Speaker 10 (01:08:21):
And unless these games are really tight, I don't think
he'll see that the rest of the way. I think
you will see him being selective, trying to get some
guys some breathers because you know they don't practice. It's
not the same in November and December as it is
now in terms of practice. And so the whole theory
of does this just cause them to break down in March,

(01:08:42):
I'm not buying that Jamal shed was just a freak
injury with his ankle. Guys like Sasser when he had
his shoulder, you know, those happened during the season. So
you could say that it's just wear and tear the grind.
But Kelvin's not going to change a lot. He just
may may kind of finesse things a little bit and
get some guys some extra breathers between now and the

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start of the tournament again.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
Joseph to Warte, Houston Chronicle join us here at Fatida
Center here on Space City Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
And you know, with.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
The u of H basketball program, now, I mean you
talk college sports, you gotta talk name, image, likeness, you
got to talk just what's the new landscape in sports?
Is part of you kind of surprised that Kelvin's been
able to keep this going with all of those things
at their disposal. And not only that, I mean transfers.
We've seen guys leave this program and go other places.
I mean, how impressive has it been that he's been

(01:09:34):
able to keep this going with having to deal with
those two factors.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
Well, on the transfers, I believe it's only one or
two like starters that they've had that have actually left
guy like a Caleb Mills a few years ago.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
But in terms of.

Speaker 10 (01:09:45):
NIL, they're on a different level. You know, football at
most schools is the top NIL earner, but basketball sort
of does their own thing here and they don't have
the exact number, but I've been told, you know, top
tier schools usually have at least a four million type
of NIL budget or what they have for their players,

(01:10:08):
and you know it hasn't stopped them. They have three
ESPN like Top twenty top twenty five guys that are
coming here next year. And on top of that, you know,
Kelvin made it a point to say, these guys aren't
coming here necessarily for NIL, They're coming here for the
opportunity and what this program provides with the thinking that
that NIL is going to be on the back end.

(01:10:29):
It may be, and their pro contract it may be
in year two or three, but the NIL when it
comes to Kelvin Sampson's program is not the main.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Draw or the enticement.

Speaker 10 (01:10:40):
There are many other things that they that they offer
before they even talk in IL.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
And you know up there today saw Willie Fritz was
up there with the football team. And last year I
think they did some impressive things. But you know, this
coming year, I mean, is bowl game of possibility for
his program.

Speaker 6 (01:11:00):
Lune At schedule. I think it should be.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
You know, I.

Speaker 10 (01:11:02):
I think that just the way it sets up, you know,
you could be two and zero to start, you could
win all three non conference and then you know, depending
on whether like Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
State or you see back after really bad seasons.

Speaker 10 (01:11:16):
You know, I put them in that minimum six win
category which gets you in the bowl. I think this
is a possible seven and five type team. I would
be shocked just based on bringing in an experienced quarterback
in Connor Wegman and upgrading the old line in some
other areas that this would be a team that would
either stay at four wins or just be at five.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
I think this is a bowl team.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Very good.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Joseph, do Towarte again. Houston Chronicle will join us here
at Fertida Center.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Joseph's could see again. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
It's always great to catch up with you and appreciate
your work with chronicle.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
All right, there you go, Joseph dowarte again, join us
here at the Fertida Center. All right, so we talked
to Astros, we've talked Rockets, We've talked to you of
h We talked pretty much all of it today. If
you want to weigh in on any of those topics,
you can do so. Someone three two one two five
seven ninety one. Skin at someone three two one two
five seven ninety one. More segment to go before we

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step aside for Astros baseball that's coming up next right
here on your home of the Astros and the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Welcome back to Space City, Saturday one. Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Dan Matthews here with you live inside the Jim Nants
Media Center here at the Ftida Center. UH taken on
Iowa State. Shout out to Joseph d'Arte who joined us
last segment. Good conversation with him, getting into a little
bit of UH basketball as well as the football program,
trying to get them back to their winning ways. Says

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A few years ago, nice little trip to the Peach
Bowl went over Florida State and ever since then, you
of H trying to get the program back to that
level yet again, and full confidence Willie Fritz can do that.
Huge fan of him, huge fan even going back to
his Seam Houston days and even with what he was
able to do at Tulane getting them to the Cotton
Bowl a couple of years ago beating USC, so you

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know that he is able to build up a program
and hoping he can do that here at EU of
H a few more minutes here on the show, you
want to get in on the phone lines, you can
do so. Subone three two one two five seven ninety one.
Skin at subone three two one two five at seven
ninety mentioned. You know the Rockets taking on at the
Jazz tonight and I little went for them last night,
still without Fred van Vlietz. And usually with ankles, especially

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to basketball players, you're probably looking at about a month
that you need for that injury to be able to
heal up before you feel like you're able to get
that explosiveness and get.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Back to action the way that you want to be
able to get back to it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
And that's you know what the Rockets are kind of
counting on with Van Vliet, I mean, trying to get
him healthy enough. And you know, I talked about it
earlier what he means the team not only from an
offensive end, but also too. I mean some of those
defensive breakdowns we've seen late in games before the All
Star break, where you know, I think you could probably
point to not having Fred van Vliet out there is

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what allows for some of those breakdowns to happen. And
I mean you've seen teams cutting into the basket, being
able to get you know, offensive rebounds, all of those
different things and just how important he is. And I
mentioned too that Haberstrow stat that he threw out that
this team, when they have both Shingoon and Van Vliet
on the floor, they're thirty and thirteen, and with the

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win last night, they're now five and eight. When you
don't have both of those guys out there, you were
able to have Alpi and what he was able to do.
But still, I mean, you know, without Van Vliet you
miss a lot in terms of the offensive sets and
just you know, just overall just general organization out there,
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Is what you lose without him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
And you know, the funny thing is, and I talked
about this with Jackson Gatlin a few weeks ago when
we had him on Rockets launch Pad. You know, he
brought this up on his podcast that I feel like
people look at Fred the wrong way, and it's the
shot selection, it's the misshots, all of those different things.
I get that, but his point is incredibly valid. That's

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not what he's supposed to do. He's not supposed to
be the guy taking the crucial shots late in games,
in close games. You're wanting that to be Jalen Green.
Now you're probably wanting that to be you know, a
Men Thompson. I mean, you saw it at the end
of the Memphis game that that play was drawn up
to go to a men Thompson, and Memphis did a
great job of saying, no, we saw this guy do

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it a couple of nights ago in Boston. We can't
let this guy beat us. And they took him out
of play and you saw, you know, the last ditch
effort that they had, and people were, oh my god,
why would you go to Fred in that situation? And
it's like, well, I mean, where else you gonna go,
you know, in terms of inbounding the basketball. So I
just think that you know, sometimes it's undue criticism to

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him in terms of that part.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Of his game.

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
I mean that's almost kind of like, you know, I
was talking about with Josh C last night before I left,
and you know, I said, that's like blaming Mauricio Dubond
for not coming through in a crucial runners in scoring
position situation after jose Al Tuove struck out, Like you know,
what are we doing here? Kind of is is really
I think the name of the game at that point.

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I mean, you know, it's you're you're blaming the wrong
guy for the wrong thing. You know, if he comes
through in that spot, then you're happy about it. But
if he doesn't, you're like, well, you know, offensively, probably
not one of the best guys you want to have
in that situation. So I think that that's you know,
really all part of it too as well. But you know,
like I said, one fifteen win last night, that was

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good to see out of the Rockets says, you know,
you want to see them be able to take a
good positive step forward out of the All Star break.
I mean, you saw a team that, even with injuries,
was just physically worn down at the end of you know,
the first half of the season. And I mean this
was a team that as soon as the final buzzer

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hit in the Warriors loss, they were kind of like,
oh man, thank god we're here. We get a week
to be able to rest up and get back to action.
But you know, it was good to see a good,
strong third quarter out of the team last night and
a good strong fourth quarter two as well, as it
was a close game at the half, but then able

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to outscore Minnesota thirty to twenty six in the third,
and then also to neither team necessarily that impressive offensively
in the fourth quarter. But I mean, Anthony Edwards, what
can you say about the guy? I threw it out
on Twitter last night. He's as close to Kobe Bryant
as we have in the game right now in terms
of just his shot making ability, his explosiveness, his competitive drive.

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I mean, it count me in the same category with
Adam Clanton of being a huge fan of that guy
and then a huge fan of him even.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Back to his brief college career that he had, and
you saw it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Even back then that he was going to be somebody
that was going to be pretty tough to deal with
in the league. That's definitely been the case. But thirty
seven out of him last night. I mean, you know,
but you were pretty much able to limit the damage
outside of him. I mean, you know, Jayden McDaniel's twenty
one points out of him, nas Reed, nice player for them,
twenty two out of him. But you know, as I've

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mentioned numerous times, Jalen Green, he is the key to
this offense and when he is able to put up
points well, then wins usually follow. And he was able
to do that last night, thirty five out of him.
Another double double yet again out of Alprin Shingoon, twenty
four and thirteen out of him, and you know, kind
of you know, a guy that's starting to get a

(01:18:37):
little bit of that reputation too of being a you know,
if a game is on, well then he's going to
get a double double. Is a men Thompson. He was
able to do that again last night, seventeen and ten
out of him. So good performance out of the Rockets.
Hopefully they can carry it over to tonight. I know
you're gonna be without Fred van Vliet, have to believe
with it being a home and road.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Back to back.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Probably no Tarry Easan, probably Seemdal four Steven Adams, So
we'll have all that for you again a little bit
later on for Rockets Launch Pad when we hit the
airwaves at seven point thirty, but mentioned the Astros too
as the Stros split squad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Action going to get started at today.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
The game you're going to hear here on at Sports
Talk seven ninety is going to be the one started
by Ryan Gusto. They're at Cacti Park of the Palm
Beaches between them and the Nationals. Does look like those
I mentioned Chandler Romes tweet a little bit earlier. That
seems like most of the veteran guys, like I saw
Dubon McCormick, some of those other guys, they're in the

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lineup over in the Mets game as they're going to
be playing them over in Port Saint Lucy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
So we'll have that for you.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
But I mean, you know, it's an Astro's team trying
to be able to find their way back into the
postseason yet again. I mean, you know, it's also too
listening to Joe a spot a talk with not only
Matt and Ross earlier but also too with the media
of talking about, you know, everything they had to do
last year to be able to get into the postseason.
I mean, you know, the last couple of years has

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been a coming down to the the you know, the
the last stretch there of the season. And you didn't
have to go all the way until the final day
of the season this past season, but still it was
a you know, really tight race that you had with
the Seattle Mariners because of how far you fell behind
in the beginning. And that's something that they're trying to

(01:20:29):
guard against here this season and you know, not having
to try to really sprint there those last three and
a half months. And you know, it was when we
had Jeff Blum and studio with us, we were talking
about this and you know, kind of like we were
just talking about with the Rockets going into the All
Star break. I think that's what you saw from the
Astros last year is that once they got to the postseason,

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they were just gassed. I mean it was, you know,
you're you're playing at such a high level for so
long and you face up, you know, against a really
tough and the Detroit Tigers, who had the pitching staff
they had and just playing the baseball that they were.
It was just a bad scenario for the Astros. And
hence the early exit last year. So trying to be

(01:21:11):
able to build up a good start here in twenty
twenty five. I mean, you know that obviously, no Alex Bregman,
no Kyle Tucker, but you know you enter in some
new guys. I mean, you know East Soakperetis. It sounds
like that minute made Park's gonna benefit him really well.
Same deal with Christian Walker. And you know we had
that conversation with Matt Thomas that we played for you

(01:21:33):
last hour, and you know it was a lot to
be able to see what those guys were, you know,
can be able to do here in an Astros uniforms.
So we'll see how they are able to build up
here as we get close to this season coming up next,
we'll squeeze in a couple more minutes with you here

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on Space City Saturday before we step aside for Astros
Baseball again, Dan Matthews here at the Fortida Center before
U of H takes on Iowa States As we'll have
that for you over on KPRC nine to fifty starting
at twelve forty five. So we'll come back next right
here on Space City Saturday, here in your home of
the Astros and the Rockets.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
This is Space City Saturday on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
Dean Matthews here with you for just a matter of
mere second, says we'll have Astros baseball coming up for
you here in a few minutes. Mentioned too that the
U of h Iowa State game it's gonna be over
on KPRC nine fifty starting at twelve forty five and
then one o'clock tip here inside for Tita Center. But

(01:22:53):
been a lot of fun here today. I want to
thank Melvin Brown back in the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Great job by him as always.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Also to Joseph d'Arte joining us here from the Houston Chronicle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Always great to be able to catch up with him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
And you know, just looking forward to some good basketball
here and again coming your way tonight. Seven point thirty
Rockets launch Pad is gonna be a coming to your way.
I'll have that for you, and then we get the
Rockets and the Jazz from there in Salt Lake City,
and then I'll be talking to you afterwards on Rockets
rap too as well. So speaking of rapping, that's what

(01:23:27):
we're gonna do right here, is we're gonna put a
boat on this edition of Space City Saturday. Again, thanks
to all of those of you who joined us on
the phone lines too as well. Have a great rest
of your Saturday, watch some good basketball. Cruddy out there weatherwise,
so you know, muddle up, be able to watch us
some good basketball, and be able to enjoy the rest
of this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Warmer weather is ahead. We got that for us, so
we'll have all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
But until next Saturday, I'm Dan Matthews here in your
home of the Astros and the Rockets, Sports Talk seven
ninety

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