“How Spiritual Perception Brings Healing” with Alexandre Fisher

“How Spiritual Perception Brings Healing” with Alexandre Fisher

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Spiritual Solutions for Today's challenges, an eight week
series airing on Sunday evenings in October and November. The
co sponsors of tonight's program are Christian Science Churches in Englewood,
New Jersey, and Terrytown, New York. Their guest is Alexander
Fisher from Gon France, who speaks to audiences all over

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the world as a member of the Christian Science Board
of Lectureship. Fisher asserts that we are not stuck understanding
more clearly our relationship with God. Infinite good, ends fear
and leads the way forward. The Englewood and Terrytown Churches
are pleased to present Alexander Fisher speaking on how spiritual

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perception brings healing.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good evening everyone. My name is Alexander Fisher, and as
he can tell my accent, I am French. I used
to be a litigation attorney and you would think I'm
still litigational attorney because it's a really great job, but
not anymore. I'm now a Christian Science practitioner helping others

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through prayer. You may wonder why a change of job.
Why would you go for something that is making lots
of money, that is recognizable to helping others spiritually. Well,
there's come a point in life where you can see
that the human world doesn't have much to offer. Fame, money, houses,

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and cars. They're limited to a point. Truly, what satisfy,
what makes us happy, is a clearer sense of our
relationship with God, infinite good. This is why I change
career to help others through prayer. Some I'm really happy
to spend some time with you, whether you're in your

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car or maybe in your kitchen, or walking your dog
or taking a job. We'll basically be talking about out
how a clearer sense of God can bring happiness in
our life, can bring healing. But we'll see too that

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it gives us a very different perspective on life, but
that I'll keep that for the for the end. I
wish i'd be right next to you to ask you, well,
what's on your mind? What are you thinking right now?
And it's not hard to imagine that politics may be
the big thing in thought right now. We seem to

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see so much division, so much hatred, but also a
big big push to find a sense of being together,
a sense of unity. Sometimes we may wonder, well, we
need some form of wisdom, like if we had a
man of wisdom that would come and come to the

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political scene and tell us, guys, there is a way
to do it. And you know, otherwise, preparing for this
radio interview, I digged out and found something really interesting
that may meet our need for some wisdom. This is
from a politician, from a someone involved in politics a

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long time ago, George Washington. And you know what I
found in his seventeen ninety six address. Yes, I'm saying
seventeen ninety six address is talking exactly to our points,
to our need of finding more hunity, finding a sense
of togetherness, even with different opinions. His seventeen ninety six

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address begins like this, and I quote George Washington again,
you should properly estimate the immense value of your national
union to your collective and individual happiness, and indignantly frowning
upon the first dawning of every attempt to you need

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any portion of our country from the rest or to
enfeeble the secret ties which now lean together the various
parts and of court. So what is George Washington telling
us is telling us it's okay to be different, It's
okay to have different opinions, but you can still find
a sense of unity, a siense of working together. And

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isn't this what we're all yearning for? As the election
is coming up? In a way, our talk will be
just about this, about how do we find a sense
of wholeness, wholeness as a nation, wholeness in our community,
wholeness in our family, but also sometimes wholeness as a

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synonym of health if we've been challenged with symptoms or
some form of disease. If you just tuned in, I'm
alexand Fisher, and we're talking about how a clear sense
of infinite good, the sustaining infinite, can bring down walls
of division, whether it's politics, or family or health. As

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you'll see, Christian science is all about healing, healing and
the sense of freedom, of finding more freedom, more happiness,
more joy through a clearer sense of God. Some years ago,
just a few years ago, when my wife was pregnant
with our third child, a diagnosis came. We didn't expect it,

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and basically the doctors told us that further testing would
need to be done because they were suspecting a heart
challenge with our baby to be born. Scans, heart scans
were done, more testing and more testing, and then the
news broke. They said that the little one had a

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serious heart condition that to be operated, so we canceled
the plan of a natural birth. We had to move
next to a very big hospital. My wife had to
be induced so that the whole medical team could be here.
It was a shock. It was a shock still because

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we had seen so many healings through prayer in the past,
so many instances of comfort healing by recognizing that we
are all at one with the infinites, that this seeming
mattill world, is this a seeming an appearance, that actually

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we all live at one with spirits. And we found
so much comfort and healing in the past that here again,
despite the diagnosis, despite the certainty of the doctors, we
felt we could trust our sense of God again. So
we moved into be next to the big hospital and

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more scan were done and we began to pray. That's exciting.
We'll talk more about prayer and high works, but let
me say for now that our prayer was not begging,
was not asking. It was more an awareness, an awareness
and a refusal and a refusal to fear, a refusal

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to be discouraged, a refusal to think there is no hope,
and a trusting an infinite good in life right here,
right now. We are not saying that the doctor went
wrong or they were not doing the right thing. We
were saying that they were looking at the child from

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a purely material perspective, very limited, but we could embrace
a view of the little one as the product of
the infinite, as spiritual, as perfect and yes I said perfect, perfect,
where everything was telling us that the child was not perfect.

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So again we'll talk more about prayer. But you know
what this did well? Number one, My wife and I
felt comforted. We didn't feel worried. Actually, we had a
sense of peace, a sense of clarity. Also a sense
of doing something we're not like waiting on the next diagnosis.

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Are doing was really yielding to this presence of God.
And then the big day came. My wife gave birth
to a beautiful little boy, and as planned, they took
the child away in intensive care to Bepare for surgery.

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But as minutes went on and ours, different reports came,
and they found that thing didn't turn out the way
they had seen they would turn out. They cancel the

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surgery and they called us into the office. I think
I'll always remember that moment where the doctor right in
front of me handed me a big stack of paper,
the maical record for my child and tell me and
told me your child is perfect. There is just nothing

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wrong with him. They didn't say they were wrong, they
didn't say that it was misdiagnosis. No, the medical record
shows that things were wrong. But what else could they say.
They looked again and again and everything was perfect. The
condition was there, and then it was not there anymore,

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no surgery. We were able to go home the exact
same day. That was a wonderful healing. If it sounds
a bit mysterious to you right now, that's okay. We're
going to explain a bit more how prayer works really

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very concretely. If you just tuned in, we've just been
sharing a healing of my little one, my newborn child,
who was diagnosed with a heart condition with many scans
from various doctors at the hospital, and how through a
clearer sense of God and prayer we'll talk about that

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in a moment, the condition was completely reversed and the
child was seen as completely perfect and I can guarantee
is a very healthy and happy child is he's a
few years old now, and he's jumping up and down
and very very healthy and happy. Let me jump to
the Bible for a moment. If you look at the

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kind of the end of the Bible, the last pages there,
it's the Gospel of Jesus teachings. What do you see, Well,
you see many, many healings. Healing is a recurring theme.
But you can also see that Jesus keeps talking about
really one thing over and over. Yes he does say
love an enemy, Yes he does say do not fear,

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or yes, he's very encouraging and talks about various spiritval
ideas are very helpful. But there's one thing that comes
again and again and again, and that thing is the
Kingdom of God. And in a very surprising way for
the time, Jesus does not say that the Kingdom of

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God is something that will come later after death. Actually
he says the very opposite. He says, over and over,
the Kingdom of God is right here, right now, even
pushes thing by saying it is within you. So if

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if you agree with me for a second, let's drop
the the how dated concept of God as some form
of a man somewhere, an entity, some things in good
and evil, Greek God, all the thing that you can
put behind the term God, have really nothing to do
there to have a really a very modern and still

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as old as ever concept of God as just pure life.
God doesn't belong to a little group. God is life,
your life, my life, love, infinite love, infinite good. And

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again it has no sticker on it. It is just
not mine nor yours, it is it is everyone's. Then
he can begin to understand what Jesus meant when he
said the Kingdom of God is right here, right now,
it's within you. Wasn't he just saying that we all

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live in life, in infinite spirits, in infinite good. Wasn't
he completely invalidated the false conception that we're miserable sinners,
that it's our faults that we deserved disease, accidents and war.

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Wasn't he uplifting humanity to have a clear understanding of
where we are right now in God? Paul the apostle
pauls so that this way, says in him, in God
we live and move and have our spirit. This is

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what will save you. This is your exit root, this
is your key. Whatever you face right now, whether it's
an agitation, because we all feel sometimes agitated thought because
of politics, the election, or war somewhere, or maybe you
don't care about politics right now because you've got other

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things to worry about. Maybe it's your business that is failing,
or maybe it's a dear family member that is at
the hospital, or maybe you know, it's just some symptoms
that you've been fighting for years and there is nothing
that the world say you can do about it, whatever
the belief. Beginning to recognize that in God, you leave

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and move and have your being that no evil is
not normal, no disease, accidents, anger is not part of
normal life, you'll begin to open your door mental to
the infinite infinitude of good. You're beginning to reconnect yourself

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to infinite good as you can imagine. Christian science did
not happen on its own, must have an author, must
have come in some way. And by the way, if
you just tuned in, you didn't miss much. Yet. We've
been sharing a beautiful healing of an infant that was

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diagnosed with a heart condition that was fully healed through
a clearer sense of God. And then we've just been
talking about how how in a way you could look
at Jesus message in many ways, and in many ways
Jesus message has been betrayed to say things he never said.
When you see killings in the name of the Bible,

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this is not what the Bible tech says. It's all
about love, about compassion, about understanding the universe as entirely spiritful.
And what we've been just talking before you arrived was
that we all live in God. Not God as a
bearded man, makes no sense. God as infinite spirits, infinite
harmony all of us. We don't need to be baptized

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or to join in. This is our norm. This is
our natural state of being, being at one with spirits.
And then had you arrived, I was just showing about
how Christian science came about. Well, those two terms Christian
science and I will not blame you if you find them.
We're together the first time you saw them. Christian science. Well,

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easy to answer a question. Christian Yeah. Going back completely
to Jesus teachings to the entire Bible, not as a
to do list or list of prohibitions, not at all,
but as an inspired text, something that helped says in
our daily life. Something that does not find is guilty

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or blame us something that actually uplifts us as Christian
and science. Because we're not talking about philosophy. I'm not
wasting your time right now, You'll see those ideas are
highly practical and can dissolve any challenge that you find
yourself faced with, any darkness in your thoughts. So how

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did it come about? Well, we have about fifty minutes together,
not five hours, so let's be short. I'll just say
that her name is Mary Baker Eddie born in eighteen
twenty one and passed on in nineteen ten, so about
century ago. And she was a Christian woman. But she

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really could not accept could not accept two things. She
could not accept that God could send evil. She could
not accept that God could create disease contingent for whatever reason,
it made no sense. No, we don't need to be tested. No,

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we don't need to see if we have a free will,
to see if we make the good choice. Makes no sense.
Our source is infinite good period doesn't create evil in
any way. I'm saying this now it makes sense to you.
But you know, back then, we're talking a time where

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prodestination was there. Strong theology about or you're punished to
your sinners was the time of Christian resignation. Well if
you're sick, well let's be God's will. Well she didn't
accept any of this. And you know, as she did
one into the Bible, she found that actually we could
understand Jesus saying it was not about believing, It was

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not about blind trust. Who believes who has ever believed
that one plus one equals to If you believe it,
you're in trouble. We don't believe it. We understand it,
we practice it, we think through it. If it doesn't
make sense, we challenge it, and eventually we understand it

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and we know it. That's the science. Part of Christian science.
This beautiful Bible, deeply rooted spirituality, going back to Jesus message,
is all about understanding, step by step how to pray,
how to understand God. And you know we do this

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on our own, without even a priest or some minister
telling us what to do, just the Bible and our
relationship with God. So this woman, Mary bicker Eddie wrote
a book back then eighteen seventy five. The title is
Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. Again, it's
Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. And write

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this down and look for it later you'll find it amazing.
You'll find on Christiansence dot com and Christian Science spreading
rooms around the country. Anyway, we'll come back to it.
It has all of it, and it's really a guide
book on God, a guidebook on life, a guidebook on
how can you deal with your challenges and find healing.

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I said she published a book. Well, I didn't lie.
She did, but that's not the first thing she did.
The first thing is that she experienced those ideas for herself.
She proved them for herself. She found healing. She realized
that when Jesus said, and listen, that might be surprising
if you've never heard this from the Bible. It's right

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there in the heart of the Bible when Jesus says,
if you understand me my life, what I say, you'll
be able to heal as I do, and even have
greater healings. She thought that Jesus was making sense and
saying the truth. Here again, Jesus saying, and listen to this,

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if you understand basically, if you believe me, if you
understand what I say in my life, you'll be able
to heal as I do. Well, let's pretend that you've
never heard about the Bible. So you hear this, you say, okay,
well find this. Jesus says, I can heal as he did. Fine, okay,
well what type of healing did he do? Well, let
me see else if it's worth it. Well, and then

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you look into it. And if you know the Bible,
you know we're talking about paralysis, reversing death, all types
of disease, mental health issues, other challenges with people, sin,
sin as, missing the mark of the good behavior. All
those were completely wiped out by Jesus and he says

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we can do the same. Wow, that's a big thing,
big big thing. So going back to our dear Mary
bicker Eddie, she saw this, she experienced it, she healed herself.
Not because if she had some form of healing power. No,
not at all. Just like my little boy that was

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talking about this recognition of her oneness with God, that
in God we all live. You live an infant good
right now. It's not hard. This is where we are.
Maybe hard to accept it, maybe hard to yield to it,
but it's the fact. That's actly the scientific fact, that's
the only fact of existence. Anyway, Enough of Mary bricker Eddie,

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because otherwise I'll go for hours and she's well worth it.
But all I'll say is that she healed others. She
taught others how to heal, not because she was smart,
just because she went back to the Bible. She went
back to Jesus teaching, and she took them very seriously.
Not as a way to control others, not as a
way to build churches, to do to tell people what
to do, not just to find freedom. And that's just

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a riicturing thing with Christian science. If you begin to
look into Christian science, you'll notice and you'll find yourself
with more freedom, more and more freedom. It's not putting
yourself in a box. It's actually breaking the walls of
your life, of a material, limited sense of life to
really find more freedom. And it all goes through a
clear understanding of God. So she published the book Against

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Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. She did
not want to create a church. She knows church I've
been controlling people. She did not want this, but eventually
she had to, and because to preserve her discovery, her
text and to sprite the good news, she had to
have some form of an organization. So here was the

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Christian Science church built. But you know, if you look
into it, if you're ever interested into different churches, look
at this one. Does it look like a church? There
is no person in charge. Everyone is in charge just
to collect if people trying to understand God better together
and no one will tell you what you should do

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or what you should think. Yeah, you can read the Psalms,
you can be inspired, but it is a very cooperative
just together as of a church. And I think that's
a good segue to give a thank you because this
talk comes to you right now because of two churches
to Christian stance churches. It's the Terrytown Church in New

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York on the Englewood Church in New Jersey. And you know,
they put some money together to have this talk, not
because they want you to be a member or they
want to get anything. No, it's just pure love because,
like you, they feel, those are tough times. Politics, new
disease invented, wars are invented, created and discovered, challenges of

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all sorts, social media that spread bad news left and right.
So all those guys in Tarrytown and Englewood are dedicated
Christians and they know the universal nature of God and
they feel, you know, we got to spread the news
in this area, in the New York area, and so
they have sponsored that talk. So a big thank you
to them. And I know if you want to go

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have a have a drink with them, or go buy
their church, or they have a reading room to where
they have articles and more stuff to read there, they'll
be delighted just to answer your question, to have a nice,
nice chat. So don't you want to know now? So again,
if you've just tuned in, we've been sharing amazing healing

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through prayer. Not a prayer that begs, not a prayer
that asks God for something, no bearded man anywhere. A
prayer that recognized that we all live in the Kingdom
of God. We all live in spirit, in life, the
capital l. We all live in infinite good. We are
all the expression of that definite good, and it does

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bring healing. We mentioned Mary Bikerretti. You might want to
look her up as the author of the textbook Science
and Health with Give the Scriptures. Should get a copy.
I think that explains Christian science. There are no secret teachings,
no levels of no sources all they're plain as plain
as the Bible. And it's actually a companion Book to

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the Bible doesn't replace it, just give you a clear
sense of the spiritual sense of the Bible. So don't
you want to want don't you want to know how
it works? Now? How does one pray? How does it work?
How can prayer that is at minimumnal spiritual could heal

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this hard challenge? How can prayer heal paralysis, blindness, heart disease, cancer,
trouble relationship? How can something of a spiritual name have
a physical impact? Isn't this your question? Well, at least

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it was mine. It was mine. Well, we could summarize
the answer by saying this, you've been very quietly listening. Well,
do you realize you we're on radio, so you're gonna
talk to me? But I imagine you very quickly listening.

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And I said that we leave in the Kingdom of God,
that all is harmony, all is good, and I'm not
taking anything back. This is the fact, this is the
scientific fact of being for all of us. No one
is left out. But didn't you have a question when
I said this? Did it sound like naive a bit?

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Or how do you reconcile the the horor of wars,
the challenge of disease and this ideal picture of the
Kingdom of God right here, right now. Well, that's the
core of it, and that's how it works. In a nutshell,
our human consciousness equals our human experience. What we think

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we experience. Yeah, we call it matter, call it molecules,
call its physical world, but we're actually experiencing our state
of thoughts, our consciousness. I'll push even more about using
an image by saying our daily experience is closer to

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a dream than an actual physical experience. I'll let you
think that this about this for a second, and as
a little Paul, I'll just share online from an article
that was published a few years ago in The Landsets,

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British well renowned medical magazine. They were neuro scientists and
they were wondering what is the nature of consciousness? But
what is reality? They were commenting on a new book
coming out that was really sharing various school of thoughts
on this very topic. What is reality? Let's be honest,

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you know, we can go about our life and wake
up in the morning of our breakfast and go to
work without ever wondering what reality is. That's fine. We
can likewise think that the earth is flat and go
about our job and take our car and thinking the
earth is flat. I mean it's not flat, it's around.
But we don't have to ask the big question. But

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you'll see when we dig into those deep questions, it
completely transformed our life. So it's well worth looking into it.
So back to our neuroscientists. There in this article landset
and the word presenting the two sides of different schools
of thoughts. And one side was saying, well, it was
very empirical. They say, reality is what you see, what

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you touch, what you feel. The tree there, touch, the
table feels solid, Well, that's reality. But and this is
what was interesting. There was another school of thoughts, other neuroscientists,
large number. That's say, Nana, Now we know it feels
like that. Yeah, the table feels solid. Yeah, the tree
feels very physical, But that's not reality. Actually, all of

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this is a product of consciousness. In their term, they
say it's a brain something brain product. And they asked
the question and they use the term dream and I
quote they said, is was a question from the landset
They said, quote, is the whole world nothing more than

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a dream? And of quote I'll go very slowly now
because it's very critical. This is the only way we
can match the strong and clear spiritual message of the
Bible of Jesus teachings. It is the only way to

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reconcile the idea that we all live in God right now.
We all live in total harmony. That's where we are
made of. This is harmony. Good is what we're made of.
This where we live. This lensed article, this idea of
the dream, is the only way to reconcile the fact

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that we all live in the Kingdom of God and
to reconciliate with human experience. Because yes, I agree with you. Yes,
the cancer deaths feel real. Yes, the war out there
feels very threatening. Yes the country feels divided. But it
is a state of thought. It is a state of consciousness,

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an illusion. I think you can begin to see now, why, why,
and how can prayer have an impact in the world.
How what seemed to be a heart challenge for a
newborn that was diagnosed and diagnosed and diagnosed again, was

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completely healed through prayer, Because actually this heart challenge was
in thoughts, was in consciousness, in what seems to be
my consciousness, my wife's, the doctor's. But when there was
a change in consciousness, it's a bit like if you're
in the dark room right now. It's a very dark
room with few friends, and we're all afraid. My gosh,

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it's so dark. If one of us stands up, goes
to the switch and turns on the lights, what happens
when we all see clearly? More clearly, light benefits all
of us. So I'm going to dig more. But the
very mechanism of prayer is this. We're not healers. It's

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not a method of healing. It is a complete yielding
to God. When our consciousness is infused with fear, with
all types of diagnosis, of challenges, and we find the door,
we find a way to yield with all our hearts,
with all our soul to the very presence of God,

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infinite good. Even if it's just a tiny bit to
start with, even if you slightly open the door, just
a slight yielding to it, that begins to change consciousness.
And because again, our experience and our consciousness are the
exact same thing, any change in our thinking impacts our experience.

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Oh no, it's not positive thinking, that's too small. It
is becoming aware of our oneness with God. If you
just tuned in, we've been talking for a bit now
we've been basically sharing how prayer works. I've should explain healings,

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healings that could not be explaining any other way that
doctors had no idea how the heart challenge could be
healed that way. We've talked about Christian science and tiny
bit as a a science because it is based on fact,
on not un material fact that always changed, are not reliable,
on spiritual fact that never change, on present harmony, present

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infinite good that never goes away. And just before you
joined in, we've been talking about how basically our stead
of thought impacts our experience and how a yielding to
God brings a ma results in terms of peace, joy
and healing. We like to hear another example, did you

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say yes, yes, good. Some years ago, I'd left my
job as a as a litigation attorney and being blown
away by this interpretation of the Bible that just goes
back to the spirituality of the Bible and as Christian science,
and blown away by healings and anyway, I was a

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Christian science practitioner now and helping others through prayer. A
woman came to see me with a very serious challenge.
She said that she'd been diagnosed with cancer. He was
a routine test, and the doctor had some doubt about
some things, so ordered and required different tests, and then

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the verdict came cancer. This woman had a very pure heart,
and she said, you know, I as I got the diagnosis,
I felt now that I can't be possible. That there
must be a way, there must be a natural way
to heal. And so she politely declined all the chemotherapy
and everything that was offered with no guarantee of success.

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And she said, no, I'm gonna dig I'm going to
find something that there must be a natural way of
I don't deserve this. There was a an inner revolution
that was maybe fueled by the fact that she was
a young mother of two younger children, and and she said, no,
that can be it. And here she ended up in
to talking to me. She had never heard of Christian

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science before. Basically, she'll be fully healed through prayer over
a few months, I mean fully healed. She'll find the
sense of peace and all the symptoms will completely vanished.

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There's been a few years now and she's really healthy
and and happy. How did it come upit She knew
nothing of Christian science. She was not even particular interested
in the Bible. She said she felt she was spiritual,
but she didn't like religion or anything else. Let me
let me walk through, you walk you through her journey.

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She grabbed the book Science and Health with the Scripture
which I mentioned, grab the Bible, and she began to read,
not reading as you read a novel. She began to
read to really really understand every concept. I said, God

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is infinite. Good, Well, you should challenge me. You should say, well, no,
God is a Greek God. Fine, well push push, push through,
and what does it mean in Greek God? Where did
it come from? Who created it? And you'll see it
makes no sense. You have to go back and keep reasoning.
The first idea that really uplifted my friend was her innocence,

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that she was completely innocent. I think so often I
see with people I help that we all feel guilty
of something. In the most extreme case, it's raining outside
and we feel apologetic. I'm so sorry to rain it outside.
We also feel guilty about this, and I'm joking with
the point is that sense of guilt is really a
heavy thing that we carry sometimes, and it's sometimes based

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in false theology or false stuff. Well you deserve it
or whatever. The fact is, your true nature is pure,
Our true nature is pure, Our true nature is pure innocence.
So she began to really yield to that sense of innocence.
She also agreed to the idea. We're talking and sharing

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ideas to the agree that no fear is not normal.
You will not kind of accept that. Well, I got
rats in my kitchen. Well, I guess that's normal. Maybe
they're nice. Back, I'm just putting my cheese away and
just wanting not to disturb them when they're there. I
just I've moved my lunchtime so I don't bother them. No,

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you would never say this. Rats don't belong to a kitchen.
Rats belong to fields, and they're very useful when not
in your kitchen or my kitchen. Likewise, fear has no hues.
Fear is darkness. We all experience fear, small fear, of
heavy fear. But in darkness darkness. Go to mit and

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ask what darkness is, they'll say, well, darkness is not something.
Darkness is an absence. Darknedness is not something. Darkness is
the absence of light. Really, how can something be nothing? Well,
that's what it is. Darkness is the absence of light.
When you have darkness and light, you don't have two things.
You just have one thing, which is a light. And
if you don't like darkness, pouring lights and you have

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no more darkness, well, same with fear. There's no hues,
doesn't guide us, doesn't advise us, doesn't makes us safe.
Are in tuition, makes us safe, not darkness, God speaking
to us. Are in tuition. So she recognized that fear
had no part to her life. Then she began to

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challenge it. And how do you challenge fear? When you
petrify with fear when the diagnosis come, when you know
it was hard, when my little boy was a diagnosed
with this hard condition. You got a family situation that
is terrible, and you grip with fear, how do you do?
How do you do? Well? You find the lights? So

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twenty three an example of light. Bible full of light.
So on twenty three I quote, Yeah, though I walk
through the value of the shadow of death, I will
fear no evil for that art with me, thy rod
and thy staff, they comfort me, and of the infinite
sustains you. Right now you express the fullness of perfection

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is not even up to you. Your whole, your perfect
you're pure. We all are. We don't have to deserve it,
we don't have to look for it. This is our nature.
The rest is mental rubbish, as the Brits say, mental garbage.
And the Christ helps us. No, we're not talking about Jesus.

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The Christ. Jesus expressed. The Christ. Christ is God's message
to us. It is that good news, the good news
that we are at one with God. We've got to
know about it. You don't hear about your one is
with God. And by listening to a mouse speaking, you
don't read about your one is with God in that
leaves in the fall. You got to learn it from somewhere. Well,

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this is what I was talking about. Our intuition, that
voice of God, that still small voice, as the Bible says,
that constantly is in our consciousness, that constantly tells us
you're fine, believe, trust, you're at one with God. Well,
in times of great need, that's where his voice is
the loudest yes, and maybe battling with fear. And I

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must admit that I felt so afraid when the diagnosis
came from my low one. You know, not even born
heart condition surgery. We don't even know what's gonna happen,
and they say, even if the surgery is successful, this
guy will be a hard patient all his life. This
low one will grow into a man and he'll be
a hard patient. You know that brings fear, But again

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we can challenge fear because this is what God does. Anytime,
anytime you turn to the Psalms, you turn to the
truth of the Bible, your sense of oneness. Whether you
call God Allah, whatever the name of it, there is
only one God. There is only one good one love.
Just man create labels and stickers that create division, but

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God is universal. Love is love period. So again the
anti dot too, fear is really the light. God has light.
So turn your thought to God, whatever it takes. Move
your thought away from both the challenges the diagnosis, and
you as an actor. Oh I need to do this,
Why I should do this? Move away from this. This
is the hamster will Oh I need to do this?

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Or why if I've done this? Move away? Jesus said,
I can do nothing of my own self. It is
never what you do or don't do. It's how much
you yield, how much you recognize that God is present
right here, right now. And yes, Jesus was the Christ
because basically, he was listening to God all day long.
If I take a bit of a simple image, if

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you're listening to the radio, this amazing radio station, for example,
if you listen to this radio station all day long,
it's an image. But you listen to this radio all
day long, and all you can say is repeat whatever
the radio says, like you have no more thought of
your own. You're just like repeating whatever you here on
the radio all day long. Maybe we'll call you by

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the name of this radio saying you're not Paul anymore
or or Anne, you're hey, here come the radio, because
you're so at one with the radio. Well, that's Jesus.
Of course he was the Christ. It was very unique,
and were grateful that this man listened, didn't challenge what
he was hearing, and realized that, yeah, he was the Christ.

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He was the radio. No, he was not God. That's
a big misconception. Let's not go into it right now.
Just go to the Bible. You'll keep saying Jesus saying, yeah,
the Father and I, Yes we're at one, but I'm
not the Father. It is distinct from the source. The
principle of mathematics governs all figures and we are like
figures number three, number seven, but we're not the principle

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of mathematics. We're at one with the principle. So Jesus
demonstrated our oneness with God. First, He is oneness, but
our one aess with God. If you just joined us
right now, I'd say, welcome. You're a bit late, but
you can here listen to this again in a few weeks,
and or there's another program next week with amazing ideas,

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but still stay on there. We've been sharing gray feelings
through prayer, and how we basically all God as God
as life, not as Greek God. And how when your
consciousness yield to divine ideas, your experience changes completely shut
A yearly of cancer, woman completely yield of cancer, not
through chemotherapy, just who are natural yearning to know God?

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And I prayed with her for a bit, but for
a large portion of her time. At the end of
it she prayed on her own. I was not involved anymore.
I kind of helped her get on the horse, but
she was riding the horse on her own. Through the
book Signs and Health with the Scripture companion book to
the Bible. So how did I pray? How can you pray.

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Prayer is a yielding I would say there is two approach. No,
it's not about begging God. Makes no sense to me.
You don't beg the infinite. You yield to the infinites.
But I would say there's two approach to prayer. So
if you have a notepad or little pencil, but not

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if you're driving, because that's not safe. So come back
to it. They're two approach to prayer. One is just
a clear awareness of God. Where you find yourself in
a situation, but you have such a clear sense of
God where there it's a diagnosis, whether it's a family challenge,

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you have such a clear sense of the presence of
God for you, for everyone involved, that no, we're not
though human beings stuck on earth. We're actually spiritble being.
We're all at one with God. Are seeming human body
is just a human limitation. It's just a perspective. But
the right perspective is our oneness with God. Your oneness

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with God. And sometimes this is so clear that you
don't need to do anything mentally. You just feel so
at one with God that you have a sense of joy,
You have a sense of peace right in the middle
of the challenge and the situation is completely healed. My
believe this is how Jesus healed because all his healings
were completely instantaneous. The challenge comes to him and the

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thing is healed. And they've been instantaneous healings since Jesus's time.
For a few centuries after early Christians and with their
reintroduction of first century Christianity, which is really what Christian
science is all about, there'd been more instantaneous healings more
and more. So that's one way of prayer. But at

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other times your thought is not quite there. You're impressed
by the challenge, you're not sure where to start, and
you know prayer heals, you have full trust in God,
but you've got to do something. And that's what we
could call arguing prayer. Or you're not asking, you're taking action.
You're arguing. And where are you arguing? Well, you're really

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disproving the fear. You're just refusing to be a frightened. So,
for example, if you're faced with a car accident and
you would feel no, God is my life and doesn't
feel like that because maybe you're about to lose your life,
But with all your heart, you're claiming and affirming God
is my life right now. And you'll find that the
more you have those affirmation of truth, you're reconnecting yourself

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from away from the challenge, and you're reconnecting yourself to God,
to infinite good right now. So the more you affirm
your oneness with God, the more it becomes real to you,
and then you begin to really feel a sense of yield.
But it's not always easy, because sometimes you have what

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it could call aggressive mental suggestions that do come to
thoughts and would derail the prayer. And they are always
the same. They'll say, you don't have enough understanding to pray. Well,
this is rubbish again, it is the Christ, the true idea,
come into a consciousness that does the healing. They will say, well,
prayer doesn't work. Well, this is garbage again. They've been

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countless healing, countless healing through prayer. One plus one always
always equals too. And they'll say you don't deserve to
be healed, or that cannot work. All those limitations should
not be ignored. If you find yourself praying through this
prayer of argumentation, every single thought that is negative that
comes to you needs to be reversed by the spiritual truth.

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Jesus said, you will know the truth, and the truth
will make you free. I realize that those ideas about prayer,
how healing prayer works, may be very new to you.
To be like discovering music, and no one learns music
in one second. It takes work, it takes passion, it

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takes love, it takes joy. But you got to play
the piano, and moment after moment, you will strengthen yourself
and you'll find that prayer is a wonderful tool to
deal with any challenge, and yes, even to deal with
world challenges. Let's take the current political situation. Media say
that we've never seen such division, so much people on

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the right side, life side, and so much anger. But
now you cannot think this anymore. The real question is
what are you going to accept in your consciousness right now?
And that makes the difference. Remember we've been talking about
how your human consciousness and our human experience, our human
consciousness and argument experience are the same thing. So basically,

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you cannot afford to have division in your thoughts. This
is why Martin Luther King said love your enemy, don't
have any hatred, and how he brought a revolution that's
why Jesus said love your enemy. That's why where Martin
Luther King got the idea. It's not about being naive.
It's not about loving morals, loving humans that I have

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a different opinion. It's about embracing everybody's oneness with God,
refusing to see division. And where does it start in thought?
This is in our thoughts and you'll find that the
more you open your thoughts to are one ness with God,
infinite good, you'll see change changing yourself in your family,

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division melting. And that's say, will you bring change to
your country? So don't wait, just start right now. Oh
I wish we'd continue, but all good things at an end.
It's been a joy to talk with you. Or yeah,
I guess when we're talking much, but you'll be sharing
those ideas with you. And this talk is part of
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Today's Challenges. And you know what good news is. If
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He said, fear not, little flock. It is your father's
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