Amen Thompson +Jose Alvarado = A Hump Day Conversation!

Wex and AC react to the results of Tuesday's altercation betetween Rocekts' Amen Thompson and Pelicans Jose Alvarado in Birmingham to get you over the hump and halfway home toward the weekend

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named Adham raised.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
My Earl.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Nolan.

Speaker 4 (00:10):
He got a.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Multi five with the magnificent roller coaster ride that is
Houston Sports. Hello, Chill Lage down for the only homegrown
afternoon team.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Is talking? Your teams?

Speaker 5 (00:29):
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the A team?

Speaker 6 (00:35):
A come on now, let's go. Let's get out of here.
Holiday across the Timeline's got Alvarado in front of him.
Shot clock is off, It's down in eleven seconds. Holiday
needs to get into the front court. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
He should just be on the timeline with six, with five,
with four, Holiday a floater? Get it with one point
eight seconds range shot and a time out to New Orleans.
Aaron Holiday, perhaps the preseason hero?

Speaker 6 (01:08):
Have I sold this hard enough? I have never been
so happy for a game to not go into overtime?
Could you actually hear Matt Thomas willing the Rockets across
the finish line in regulations so we didn't have to
sit around for another five minutes of a meaningless preseason game
in Burringham, Alabama last night.

Speaker 7 (01:26):
For those of you that couldn't hear him doing that.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Holiday needs to get into the front court. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's just being on the timeline with six, with five,
with four Holiday a floater, get it with one point
eight seconds, a mid range shot and a timeout to
New Orleans Aaron Holiday, perhaps the preseason hero.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
Have I sold this hard enough?

Speaker 7 (01:50):
That's what happened the first time? Did not go out
over the air. Everybody could hear how hard he was
selling it much just for the one person I couldn't. Okay,
let them hear it again.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Okay, I thought something technical had happened, But that's act
even funnier. Yeah, Rockets get the preseason win last night,
all Bowsome.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
What all that matters is for you and for Matten,
for everybody else, is they didn't play extra basketball.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Everybody else one name my favorite play of the game.
What was your favorite play of the game?

Speaker 7 (02:15):
A play that we'll see during the regular season and
talk about during the regular season and hopefully we'll be
into the first half all throughout the regular season. I mean,
that's what we're here for.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Right It is eight seconds left to go in the
first half.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Thompson right side the Durant left Tandibile drive against Jones,
down to two, down to one, a fin away, what
point five goes in. Kevin Durant will give them the
Rockets a lead of one as he hits the mid
range from twelve feet.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
Time winding down? Which time winding down?

Speaker 6 (02:44):
On the Rockets game in twenty twenty five, twenty six?
What should we do? We should give it Kevin Suure,
Hall of Famer. Yeah, you know what's funny about that.
I'm watching that and I actually think I said this
on the broadcast last night. You've seen him do that
so many times sometimes to you, and you know, it's
just it's kind of like his shimmy at the free

(03:05):
throw line. That's like one of his signature things he
does right before he takes the actual shot. He's doing
it in a Rockets uniform. And it's not I I've
not gotten past this surreal phase yet, but I absolutely
would like to extrapolate that out over the course of
an eighty two game season and get him in situation. Well,
it'd be nice if he's not having to make a

(03:25):
shot like that, because you've already put the game away,
but at the end of the first half, and I'm
moving it to the end of the second half. But
you have for those of us who lived through. What
I like to affectionately refer to is the Jalen Green years, just.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
The need to bash Land so unnecessarily.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Great shots taken. Yeah, well, I like having a go
to guy. In other words, Jalen had his fair share
of moments. But who is the go to guy on
the Rockets last year?

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Yeah, there's not a none of the players he's currently
teammates with.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
That's true. But like you know, alprinching Goon, you could
go to for a game ending shot at times, depending
on the situation.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
There's other times Jalen.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Got the ball, you didn't have it Kevin Durant on
your team since James Harden was here.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
No, it's good for them to continue to get work.
I would guess based on what he may said postgame.
Thursday nights preseason finale against the Atlanta Hawks will not
feature Kevin Durant, probably a few others. I think the
two games of action we've seen with them, the two
different starting lineups that they used last night was a
rather large one, and the number of minutes they were

(04:30):
able to get with some of those different looks, I
think he may's fine with whatever else we need to
figure out. We'll go ahead and figure it out against Detroit, Brooklyn,
the Thunder, the MAVs, the Spurs, everybody else we play
with the first handful of games at the beginning of
the season and everything. We'll be fine on that front.
We went into camp, this is how healthy we were,

(04:50):
and we're three games into the preseason and we're equally
as healthy as we were when we got here. So
let's try to keep it that way. Aaron Holliday certainly
can do things like that if needed, and we're not
certain if it will be or not because of the
uncertainty with that extra position, not just in the starting lineup,
but in some of the combinations of groups that they
will use. Read Shepherd had some more moments. The more

(05:13):
confidently he plays, the better he will be. And it's
hard to gain confidence unless you're out there to gain it.
And then the things that you do on the court
allow you to gain it. And it's not just making shots,
it's making good decisions. It's handling the basketball well, it's
defending well, and all those things can only come in
time if they come at all, and that takes playing time,
and he's getting it now and I'm sure he'll get

(05:34):
a bunch more on Thursday and probably on through the
beginning of the regular season. But by all means, if
you're asked by the NBA to play three, four or
five six preseason games, if you can avoid it giving
an extra unnecessary five minutes, then do so. And Aaron
Holiday made sure that happened last night with the floater
in the lane. Pretty decent look on the other end

(05:55):
for the Pelicans, but it also would not have presented
an overtime per as they attempted to win the game
on the final shot. All that being said, and I'm
pretty was pretty certain a midweek show Tuesday night basketball game.
NFL is preparing for the upcoming week. Texans are a
day behind because they haven't even hit the field yet.

(06:16):
They'll do so tomorrow to prep for the game against
the Seahawks on Monday night. Baseball has got four teams
still playing that we only care about them because we
hate them. Free agency hasn't begun, Official opt outs haven't begun.
I was pretty sure this would come up in the
opening segment, and so I will bring it up. Amen

(06:38):
Thompson can't do what he did last night, because Jose
Alvarado will always do what he did last night, and
the NBA doesn't seem to care. So it's on the players.
It's not on the referees anymore because apparently the league
won't tell them to care. It's not on the teammates anymore,
because there's only so much that they can do. His
own teammates, those in the Pelicans uniforms and Amend's teammates
here in Houston. Social media is hilarious and it doesn't

(07:02):
have to be saved for Best of X because there's
too much of it. We will get to that a
little bit later, but you can't. The league should care.
The league should absolutely care that they have players in
their league that don't care about the other player's health. Yeah,
don't care about basketball. Even Jose Alvarado is. I mean,
it's getting so close for me to say he is
not a basketball player. He doesn't play basketball enough of

(07:24):
the time he's on the court. He does what he
did last night. Do you really think one of the
five opponents on any team he's playing happened to be
the Rockets last night? You want them to react to differently,
I guess why would they? Why would a player react
differently to another player? Bear hugging him, never letting go,
grabbing him around the legs once he's shoved to the ground,

(07:47):
still not letting go of his jersey or his other
leg What would you like the NBA player to do?
What would you like a men to do? By the way,
I know what he's to do. Nothing, But I'm not.
I am a realist.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
I live.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
I don't live in fantasy, which many people on social
media do, even though nobody can tell who's a parody
account and who isn't anymore with some of the stuff
that was being said, but that's not basketball. That's not
a way to defend yourself from being a smaller take.
They're going to take advantage of me type of player.
That is just simply not basketball. And I wish the
league would care. I wish the league would do more

(08:19):
than they do, which is nothing, because it's only going
to happen more. The next person that this happens to
will not be a Men Thompson. It will not even
be a Houston Rocket. It will be somebody else that
Jose Alvarado's team plays. And it's a shame because it
will definitely happen again. And all it's doing in this
particular case. It is very specific. He has a reputation
number one for the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
This didn't help.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
It's not his fault because there's no other reacty, there
is no other reaction. What would you like an NBA
player to do? Just take it, just get tackled, Just
have this lunatic player on the other side grab on
to you and never let go. That's not reality. But
Allie Thompson has done this unfortunately too many times, been involved.
He has a reputation that the that's what the league

(09:04):
unfortunately will care about.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
I'm gonna tell you if I can do this on
the fly. The order of how I was thinking things
in my head, the number one was I actually thought
that first. Well, the first thing I thought was how
many stupid games is he gonna have to miss? That count? Actually,
the first thing I thought was, Okay, if if he
gets a suspension for this, can it just be the
final preseason game so this doesn't have to hurt. The

(09:28):
second thing I thought was, this is gonna the reputation thing,
like you said, because of what happened with Tyler Hero
last year. Oh, this is an Amn Thompson thing. When
really both instances the other player is in his face
or in this case, in his junk, trying to provoke him,
and all he's expected to do, like you said, is

(09:49):
let it happen.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're all different, and he's
reacted badly in two of the time. I mean, he
got flagrant out of a game with the Jannis foul
he got. There's no what he did to Tyler Hero.
We can act like we're homers and say it was
no big deal, and Tyler asked for it, but he didn't.
I mean, body slamming another player is going to give
you a reputation, especially when you start it physically. If
he physically started that altercation, everything else was just words

(10:12):
up until that point. He's the one who made it physical,
and he showed how strong he was. He showed how
weak Tyler was. But it's not a good thing for
your reputation, and it's it works two ways. You are
showing other players that you're not going to stand for it.
Those are good things you are standing up for yourself
your teammates basketball respect. But then there are players at
the lower levels of talent that will be sent out

(10:36):
onto the court to take advantage of that. Hey go
get under a men Thompson's skin. Who knows what he
will do, but one thing's for sure, we might get
a chance to take him off the court and it's
gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
And that is that's as eloquent as you can put
something like that, because unfortunately in a league like the NBA,
and this happens a lot in hockey. And I'm sure
if you want to count like Courtland Finnegan, but it's
it's just different in football because you have to play
your position. You're not just out there to be a goon.
Is okay, and well baseball it doesn't really apply. It is.

(11:09):
It's sad that there are people that are seemingly employed
to do just that. And I'm not gonna act like
the Rockets haven't employed that guy before. His name was
Pat Beverly, and he wasn't even as I guess, as
as as good of a threat offensively. Let's put it
that way. If you want to call a Jose Alvarado
a threat offensively, I don't. But if you're gonna ask

(11:31):
me who's more likely to score a bucket in the game,
I'm gonna go with him before i'd go with Patrick Beverley,
but both of them were irritants. Both of them got
under the skin of opposing players whose stature in the
league is bigger than theirs. No matter what you think
about how it all went down with Russell Westbrook at
the time, this is Russell Westbrook up here. Here's Pat
Beverly down here. And that's how it was viewed by everybody,
both outside and a lot of inside of Houston at

(11:54):
the time. And just like this last night, because the
men Thompson has bigger and better things, bigger fish to fry,
if you will, for a team that has a lot
more going for it and isn't making stupid offseason trades
with unprotected first round picks. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
The other thing is Pat Beverley played for winning basketball team,
so he had a role that was worthwhile Jose Alvarado
doesn't and won't. So it's a big, big difference. It
also sad boys got away with a lot you got.
You gotta not let that happen. We'll get more into that.
Appreciate your input on it if you see things a
little bit differently, like those on the socials or even
behind the mics that saw Oh my god, look at
all those punches that were thrown in that scenario.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
Get a few other things, obviously, get the ball rolling
on everything else, including the matchup between the Texans and
the Seahawks. Is there something super positive about what the
Texans do that can be exploited against the Seahawks. Will
unfold that as that matchup on Monday night hopefully is
a treat for everybody. We're gonna have to wait a
long time to get to and everything else we got

(12:49):
on tap for you here on Wednesday edition of the.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
A Team The A on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So real.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Quickly going back to them Thompson thing last night, I'd
said this to Matt at the time, almos See, if
you agree with me, wex because they weren't thrown out
either one of these guys. Don't you feel like that
lends itself to the NBA not suspending either one of them?

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Duh, Well, they definitely should have been thrown out. The
referees actually got it right from a basketball standpoint, I guess,
and there's nothing that further ship that should come from it.
And they they they weren't you.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
Sure they were gonna be thrown out? When you initially
saw it.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Really, this is what I thought it out the first segment,
I'm like, why would you throw them out? Jose Alvarado
grabbed a guy and Amen Thompson shoved him off.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
That's that's to me, that's all that happened to the face.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
He put his hands down to push the player off
of him. What's closest to him his face, which is
Alverado's fault. His hand was on his back, his hand
was near his face. They're definitely one hundred percent. I'm
not gonna hear about it. There were no punches thrown,
so I don't know what you'd want to throw.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Them out for. I think, and I know what you're
talking about with the punch is thrown thing, because a
lot of people were saying that and it was like,
there weren't punches thrown, but there was hand to face contact,
which I feel like people and get the NBA. Yeah,
but that happens all the time in the NBA, And

(14:21):
actually it happened involving I believe him and Thompson and
maybe it was outbring Shing Goon last season where a
foul was committed and because he made contact above the shoulders,
it was an automatic you know whatever.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Flagrant two, flagrant one, I do think. I mean, maybe
you disagree that's I think that's totally different. I mean,
you're talking about these two guys are going up for
a rebound, or one guy shooting the ball and you
try to block it and you hit him in the face,
or you're the offensive foul where you use your off
arm and you hit him above the shoulders.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
This is not hitting somebody above the shoulders in the
sense that that's actually a basketball play. This was nothing
to do with basketball.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
I mean, go if you'd like to go back and
walk and we'll get some of you in for your
thoughts on it here at seven one three two one
two five seven ninety. I mean I hoped for even
more angles. I was hoping there'd be some you know,
cell phone video from Birmingham that somebody would post on
the old X platform or somewhere else. I just didn't
see anything.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
They don't have them there. Well, maybe they're just not you.

Speaker 7 (15:18):
I mean, I know they catch a lot of squadron
games where their G League outfit, but I don't know
if they're their phones are out for all the offense
that's being displayed in the G League games, but the
television stuff from both the New Orleans side and the
Rockets side, there's only so much you could really see.
My standpoint was Amn Thompson is on offense and he

(15:42):
did not have the basketball another teammate did. He was
out at the three point line on the baseline. He
was being defended by Jose Alvarado. Shot goes up. The
defensive player normally tries to keep the offensive player between
himself and the basket, rebounding positions, blocking out those types
of things. That is what happened, and Alvarado's decision on

(16:03):
how to do that was to face guard Amen Thompson
and put both of his arms around him and hug
him like they had just gotten together for Christmas dinner
or something that's not basketball. That's why he was called
for a loose ball foul. He fouled him. That is
a foul. That's a terrible way to try to keep
your opponent from getting a rebound on the offensive glass,

(16:25):
and he got called for it. But he also never
let go. And as a men, Thompson is bigger, stronger
than him. He's pushing towards the basket and Alvarado, who's
now in a terrible position to stay on his feet
because essentially now the shorter players being run over because
that's where he's chosen to play his defense. You know,
when you turn around and you actually box somebody out,

(16:45):
you get your legs spread wide, you get a nice bass,
you use your Charles Barkley butt in backside and back
to block somebody out. He didn't box him out that way.
He was in a terrible position. He was facing him.
So as soon as you get pushed, you fall over,
even if you're not trying to draw an offensive foul,
which he might have been. But again from the video,

(17:06):
I can't tell you he was definitely trying to do that.
But I do know what happened. He got run over,
but he didn't let go. He was holding onto his legs,
he was holding onto his jersey. That's why it came untucked.
He was down on his back at this point, still
hasn't let go, and as a men, Thompson is trying
to I guess AI tyron lu him because there's no
other alternative because he's trying to go somewhere else besides

(17:28):
on top of this player. Then he grabs his leg
again and still won't let go of his jersey, and
at this point a man is like, get off, let
go go away, please, I'm begging you. And then a
men is grabbed by multiple people and pulled away, Kadi
being at the forefront, and Alvarado is easily held off

(17:48):
because obviously he doesn't want to fight anyway, because he
is who he is. And then when a bunch of
other people are in the way, he started jawing, Oh,
you know, I haven't even gotten to the other part
of it, and that's way off in the distance. Because
this has nothing to do with the event it self.
But that's what I saw, and didn't see any punches thrown.
It was definitely a physical altercation. I could understand double technicals.
I could understand fouls on both players. Maybe I don't

(18:11):
understand a flagrant unless, like you said, maybe it was
dealing with the area of the contact from Aman Thompson.
But if both players are standing up, then nothing would
have happened. He would have shoved him in the chest
and he would be on his way and they would
have moved on. But the player was around his waist
and so shoving him with two hands, you're gonna hit

(18:32):
him in the back, you're gonna hit him in the head,
and that's what happened there. So that's at least how
I saw it. And it doesn't matter at all at
all to the Pelicans or Jose Alvarado. They stink he
does too. They don't matter in the NBA right now.
It matters to the Rockets. Luckily, it's only in the preseason.
I mentioned this after the first preseason game because the Rockets,

(18:54):
I don't know that. I want to say they need
to be careful, but man, they got a roster full
of players other than KD probably that are just going
to keep piling up technical fouls and flagrant foul points
all season long. And this is without Dylan Brooks this year.
They've been hit with them in every game so far.
And I don't think there's any end. I thought you

(19:15):
were gonna say when you started that sentence. I thought
you were gonna say, this team has a roster that
is loaded with capable defenders and none of them are defending.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah. No, that we'll get to that. It's a preseason.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
This is not the basketball portion of our conversation about
how the Rockets are managing to score a ton of
points and in some cases giving up a few too many.
Let's see if we can get Richard's thoughts in here
on the program. Appreciate any and everybody joining us here
this afternoon seven one three two one two five seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Welcome into the program. Richard, what's on your mind this afternoon?
I guess we're just gonna take a break and sid sport.
Did you all see this?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
We should be putting out between five and posts.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
Okay, four hundred people were arrested for things that they
said on social media.

Speaker 8 (20:04):
History repeats itself type anuels succeed.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Never doubt that you're.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
The one who puts the one building. You're the best OTHERX.
Nothing's gonna ever top you know you're the best ox
post an every single day. You know if you're the
best of breaking the entire Internet.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
I want you to want to wash the dishes WEX.
Why would I want to wash the dishes? That's the
most that scene is this? That is so if you
and Robin ever have your first argument, which will be
the first time, that would be the most wex answer. Ever,
it's not the point. What baby wants, baby gets Baby
one an eight twelve lemons not eight The centerpiece was

(20:55):
only half full. Anyway, let's get to the phone call.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Yeah, we have best of 's on the way, and
like I said, we got let's see two down for
fourteen segments to go. We've got plenty of time to
tell you what the dumbs or the funds on socials
were up to yesterday, and there is plenty of it.
Even our good friend and now broadcaster number ninety nine
be a part of that, and so will the Big twelve. Hilarious,

(21:21):
hilarious stuff in two different ways. But like I said,
we got a whole show for that. We're talking about
amn Thompson An attempted to get a Richard here with us.
We can attempt again. Richard, Welcome into the A team.
Take two. We'd love to hear from you. What do
you got all right?

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Hey guys, A couple observations. I've watched every second of
these preseason games, and here are the two big takeaways.
There wasn't one moment in any of these games so
far where I had any doubt the Rockets were gonna win. Like,
even when they're losing, when every team pulls ahead, it
just feels like they're playing with their food. It's they're

(21:57):
so confident on offense, just really liking what I'm seeing,
which brings me my second point when I you know,
when kat first came and I would talk to friends
who were not Rockets fans, maybe live in another city,
they always said they're like, well, Katie doesn't want to
be the leader on the floor. He's not a leader.
You know, you need a strong leader on the floor.
But all I've seen in the games is him be

(22:20):
a leader on the floor, like telling Jabbari Smith, let go,
that's your shot. Go get your shot. He's like directing
traffic in games and setting Read and Jabbari and Tari
up for some offense. And I am loving it. I'm
loving every second of it. And lastly, Ac in response
to your question, I was sure they were going to
get tossed, like when it first happened, it looked like

(22:42):
it looked like I'm in Like he like, oh, here
it goes. And yes, he is getting a reputation, and
I like it that the Rocket have a reputation for
being tough and not making friends on the court. But
not if they're going to give up like record numbers
of points, Like the defense has got to be there
otherwise it just looks really, really bad. And that's that's

(23:03):
my take.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
I love that we see eye to eye because it's
it's proof to my co host that I'm not the
only crazy one. According to him, ah, you didn't call
me crazy, seeing eyed eye on what? Well?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
He thought both players are gonna be tossed, and you didn't. Yeah,
I didn't think that. And as Richard said, he thought
that initially. I hope after everybody watched what happened that
you could sense that, well, there's no reason to eject him.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
We know.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
What's interesting is with the social media, since that's what
we're talking about here. I kept seeing people say something
to the effect of, here's a better look at this incident,
and it would start well after the precipitating incident.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
That caused all of this, Shans and our cell phones,
we need you.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, and I mean, but even from a replay standpoint,
it was a wide angle shot. I understand that you
can see some things better with the close up and
especially slow moo close up replays, but I'm like, okay,
what caused this? Why was Jose Alvarado, you know, writing
him like a bull, essentially trying to stay on for
another eight seconds?

Speaker 7 (24:11):
Why riding him like a bull while.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
He was hanging on for dear life on the side
of the saddle, he'd already basically been thrown off.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
He would basically be that would be underneath him, like
riding the bottom of the bull.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Well, yeah, you see cowboys at the rodeo. Sometimes they're
still on, but they're not. I mean, it's just inevitable.
It's about to happen.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
Yeah, I mean you're probably thinking of the rodeo. I'm
thinking more of the let's have a couple more shots
and watch people on the mechanical bull.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
What about if you have a couple more shots, watch
people on the mechanical bull, And by people, you mean
your pregnant wife who doesn't know she's pregnant. Huh, because
that was Carson's mom Okay, back in twenty eighteen in Minneapolis.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Yeah, it's a you could have been perceived a little
bit differently.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Not her fault.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
My opinion was, I didn't think there was anything that
warranted an ejection from the actions. But you can also
recognize sometimes the officials would prefer this, especially even in
a preseing. We'll just get rid of both of them
when we're done with it. Nobody else is at odds
this way. Nothing else happens Queen Slate, nobody really cares
that have been Thompson missed out on another few minutes

(25:10):
of preseason basketball. Similarly with a bad player on a
bad team missus time. It's they could have done that
for that reason, which is silly also because you shouldn't
do that. But I guess I could have understood it.
The basketball. We'll save that, Richard, because, like I said,
the basketball that the Rockets have played, it should bring

(25:32):
up a ton of conversation, and we really haven't gotten
to it. We're kind of just getting through the games
and then getting to the analysis of what we're seeing,
because you would prefer the Rockets to not have a
defensive rating like they do at this point. Again, if
I want to tell you their defensive rating as a
team is blank, it's not really that relevant unless you're
separating it to well, here are the players that have
produced this defensive rating, the ones they're going to use

(25:55):
versus their fourth quarter lineups, which include a lot of
two way and ten day type contracts. That's not what
they call them currently at this point in the season.
So I'm not too concerned about those numbers. I do
think it's noteworthy that the number one team in the
NBA in offensive rating is your Houston Rockets number one.

(26:18):
This is the best offensive team, and considering at least
the last two games, and I can even go back
at just those two games, since those are the KD games,
it's even more so. That's to me, that is good news.
And that's kind of what Richard was saying. Like I
couldn't even believe he said, there is no doubt.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
In my mind.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
I knew they were going to win. And it sounds
hilarious to me because this is even the preseason and
he's saying it, and he's right, he's right.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
I've actually thought that same thing. Richard's in my head
walking around. By the way, noted NFL analyst Kendrick Perkins
said the same thing, and I quote, the Rockets offense
is going to be unstoppable this year. If that's the case,
wex and they're even just let's say they make no
progress whatsoever as a team defensively, so you're gonna take

(27:04):
last year's team's defense. And I know you can't exactly
do that because Dylan Brooks plays as a Sun.

Speaker 7 (27:09):
Now three of your five starters aren't there.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Yeah, but you didn't replace them necessarily with poorer defenders
in every case, like Kadie's not Dylan Brooks, but he's
not Steph Curry.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
They finished the year tenth in defense. Excuse me, I
believe they were fourth in defensive rating a season ago.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
Let's just say they dropped to fifth.

Speaker 7 (27:29):
They were fifth. Let's just say they're top ten.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
Okay, and then they have this offense and it's not
this offense it's turbo charge because it's a preseason. Let's
just say it's seventy five to eighty percent of what
we've seen. They shouldn't be the eighth seed. John Hollinger.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
Yeah, we'll see if it works out that way. Like
I said, the individuals definitely need some discussion. Jabari Smith's
been incredible offensively, A men does amend things. The offense
is running through Alpi Shengoon more than it ever has,
not just in the paint with his back to the basket,
but in many other ways, and everybody else is now
you can see on a maybe more nightly basis, how

(28:05):
you have game changers in guys like Tara Easton. He
changes what's happening in the game. Whatever has happened up
until the point that he checked in, it all changes
when he gets out there. You're gonna have defensive opportunities,
immediate defensive opportunities, score points. He's gonna get deflections, he's
gonna increase the tempo because of the pressure out top,
and I just can't wait to see it. And we

(28:26):
don't have to wait much longer. We have six days
out from the opener against the Oklahoma City Thunder, the
very first game of the NBA season, and obviously the
eighty one that remain after that, many of which everybody
will see considering how many of their games have been
picked up nationally. All those games, of course, will be
heard right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. So did
you want to get started with JJ here? No, it's

(28:48):
super important. I'm sure not yet. We gotta give it.
You gotta let it breathe, man, gotta have time to
let that breathe.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
We will get to JJ Watt going scorch to earth
on one of the most esteemed bastions of football analysis
when we come back here on a Wednesday edition of
the eight Team. It is Sports Talk seven ninety. Don't
forget these simulcast over on Space City Home Network will

(29:14):
begin at the top of the hour. But yes, JJ Watt,
former Houston Texans. Next, the.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
A team on Sports Talk seven ninety all its Top
to Gavin ninety to favor.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
And it is the eight team Sports Talk seven ninety.
As we wind down the two o'clock hour, wexay Cee
Cole Thompson with you on a Wednesday edition of the program.
So Pro Football Focus is I guess held in high
esteem by at least two of the three people on
this show. I think Cole's okay with it. I think

(29:56):
Wex is okay with it.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
You just have to be careful with everybody's numbers. There's
a not averse. You know, they're night the numbers that
they post you get. You got to recognize what they're
missing or what they're good for or what areas of
football they really do produce information that is useful. Now,
the fact that Collins Words and NBC are in bed
with them, it's his company to a certain extent, they

(30:20):
use them on the broadcast, so people see that and
and well, okay, well why would I doubt anything that
they did.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
I have a hard time propping up anything that Mike
Florio fronts. It's my moral code in that he's a
total douchebag. He doesn't front it, well, yeah he does.
How does he do that? Who's the most recognizable face
from the beginning of the existence of Pro Football Focus
now Pro Football Talk Talk. I'm getting them mixed up,

(30:48):
my bad. I don't like you know what. Screw that,
I'm staying with it. I'm doubling down. I don't want
to for anything with Collinsworth either, So screw a.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Big part of the broadcast and being his involvement with
PF consistent here when they throw up the h dion
DWK in spall so Hard University at the beginning of games, uh,
that's when they you know, they'll put up PFF rank
among tackles.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
I don't want to. I don't want to prop up
anyone who's berry whatever they by, somebody who cannot stop
in the league.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
No, it's not the best player in the league.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
If he was the best player in the league, but
why have they won all the Super Bowls? It's so
easy when you have the best player in the league.
If he has won all the Super Bowls, nobody has more.
Tom Brady does it's playing well. When they played at
the same time, on the same field in the same game,
tom Brady beat him.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
So moving on, all right, So all of this is
to say J. J. Watts on my side. You know why,
I'm probably on JJ's side as well. I think we
all will be. Actually he doesn't want to hear well,
I'll just let him say.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Here's J. J. Watt going scorched earth on. Pro Football Focus.

Speaker 9 (32:00):
Has a lot of very beneficial tools. They have things
the butt was just talking about it. They have things
where you can break down plays by coverages, where you
can cut down the film to I just want to
see runs to the right side under five yards. They
have all this really good stuff that you can use.
The number one issue with PFF, by far bar none,

(32:23):
hands down, is their player grading system and the fact
that they project it everywhere, including nationally televised games on
Sunday night where everybody's watching, and they make it underneath
the rankings where it states as fact ninety first out
of ninety seven defensive tackles, one hundred and seventeen out

(32:45):
of one hundred and seventeen offensive guard and that is
a completely.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Made up number.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
They make up numbers.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
Wex.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
I didn't realize I was going to say everything he
was about to say.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Well, yeah, you did.

Speaker 7 (33:01):
I had no idea what he said. Oh okay, I mean,
I didn't know what he said, but you had a
feeling that you guys would agree. Well, I wasn't even
specifically pointing at those numbers, but I understand why players
hate them, because it just there's no way it's taking
into account what exactly you're trying to do on this
play necessarily, and what exactly you're trying to do in

(33:23):
this offensive line coach's scheme, and what you're trying to
do in this offensive coordinator's play call, to where you
get wrung up with these negatives that produce a rating that,
like you said, he thinks And I'd back up from
completely made up, because that would be awesome if they
have all these numbers and all these means of doing things,
and then they get everybody in a room and say,

(33:44):
all right, it's Saturday, we got a bunch of games tomorrow,
we got the Sunday night football game. We got to
have these rankings ready, everybody, get ready to put your
votes in. We're gonna make up numbers for these offenses.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
Why with the NBA season, Why is that so far
fetched to think that somebody would do that.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
They don't, but he just doesn't believe in what they're
using to create them.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah, and I do like that, you know people like
him that have that platform, And I think in his case,
because they play, they're just by default more well respected.
Just to ask Ryan Clark, you have to play to
give analysis. Otherwise it just doesn't even matter. But in
all seriousness, I do think that the fact that he
prefaces it by saying, Okay, here's some good things that

(34:25):
this this place over here does, because it is true,
like you, it's better to have some information, some numbers
about any sport than nothing at all and just go
by the eye test, although I know some people that
would prefer to do that. Just look at the back
of the baseball card if you need numbers. Otherwise it's
all eye tests, right, That's some of it. Yeah, I

(34:46):
took as a little shade I threw. But but yeah,
like I get what he's I also get what he's saying, like.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
For instance, and I don't know the exact number, I
just know the ballpark of it. What is that ed
Ingram did last year as one of Minnesota's starting interior
offensive lineman. He was the starting guard. What did he
do so poorly that had him graded out via PFF
so horrifically bad and had Minnesota saying, we can't even play,

(35:15):
we gotta bench you, We got to put somebody else
out there. And what were they asking him to do
that he couldn't do very well? What did they need
him to do? How did they need him to play
that he was in their estimation and in PFF's estimation
he was failing at to the point that they traded
him to Houston And he's been one of the best
players in the NFL at his position this year, based
on the very same metrics traiders PFF. How did he

(35:40):
do that from one year to the next. Did he decide? Fine,
I know I've been playing football since I was eight.
I will actually hit the weight room this year for
the first time ever.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
I know I'm an.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
Offensive lineman, but I just didn't think it was necessary.
I'll listen to the strength and conditioning coach. I'll go
in there. I'll try to get a little bit stronger. Fine,
I'll work on my agility. Show me what tests you
want me to do. I'll go, I'll work out in
the off season. Usually I just sit around on the
couch and eat food and watch TV, probably play video games.

(36:15):
But I'll put some time and effort into becoming a
real quality NFL football player, because we all know what
I just said is a total hogwash, Like how did
he do that in one season? Because the numbers this
year might be slightly flawed, although my eyeballs tell me
because you've been listening to us talk about it and
can room without once mentioning his PFF numbers. He's playing

(36:36):
good football. He's been their best offensive lineman from a
physical standpoint, from doing his job standpoint. He is not
without the miscommunication issues. Do I think they still run
team wide? But I also watch some of why Minnesota
took him off the field last year. It's the same guy.
His rating is awesome, now his rating was awful. Then
are either of them fully trustworthy? Well, one team did

(36:59):
take him off the field and the other team is
reaving the benefits of it.

Speaker 10 (37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
I And we're gonna talk a little bit about this
coming up in the next segment, because I think as
it as it pertains to this Texans Seahawks matchup like
I'm just gonna present one group of people from another entity.
It's not pro football focus and why they think across
the board Texans not only are gonna lose, they have

(37:25):
zero chance. And now it's making me want to just
completely change my view of this game just to spite
these type of people, because I don't think anything they're
saying is particularly analytical or based in some sort of
film study or the fact that they even look like
they've watched the Texans play outside of they know the

(37:45):
narrative about this team through the first five games they've
played through Week six. So you know, again, I get
why people like JJ get all hot and bothered about
stuff like this. And we'll revisit that, or we'll visit that.
I guess I should say that topic as it pertains
to your Texans and the Seahawks getting together late late,

(38:05):
late late out on the West Coast this upcoming Monday
Night's all coming up next on the simulcast first hour
of the A Team.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety. Adam Clinton and
Adam Wexler are Daighteaena.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
It's our number two of the A Team Sports Talk
seven ninety. It's our number one of three in a
row on Space City Home Network as a simulcast is
underway on a Wednesday edition of the program. We are
at the halfway mark of October. It's payday for a
lot of you out there. I hope you're having a
fantastic Wednesday, Houston, Texas. AC here WEX over there. Cole

(38:52):
Thompson is our producer. We're taking up until six o'clock.
As I mentioned, by the way, one thing that we
did not talk about in the entire first hour, which
included a ton of discussion about, not necessarily the fact
that the Rockets salted away their third straight preseason victory,
which meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things,
But all that talk about the the confrontation last night

(39:16):
that you saw right here on Space City Home Network
and heard right here on Sports Talk seven ninety between
Amen Thompson, who is one of the up and coming
rising young superstars in the NBA great two way player
and something called a Jose Alvarado. They actually kissed and
made up at the end of the game. We didn't

(39:36):
talk about that aspect at all.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
Yeah, I've said there's a few other elements that we
need to get to and that was the big one.
How they are after the game. And I don't know
if I hate that. I think this because I'm trying
to be honest, but I hate it. It's the same
thing I said with Draymond Green last postseason and every
time he's done stuff before. Why I mean, a men's
doing the smart thing. I guess he's doing the right

(39:58):
thing because they're good and the other team isn't and
the Rockets matter and this guy doesn't. But why did
you get so mad at him in the first place,
because you don't really respect him. Clearly, obviously you do
not respect him. Why would you. I wouldn't if I
were an NBA player and this is what I was
up against, So why do you? I guess you feel

(40:20):
compelled to pretend to after And I think everybody likes it,
and I think everybody's talking about it. This is how
it should be. You guys are out there in battle
and you go you're playing physical basketball. Everyone's a competitor.
That's what competition is all about. But now the competition
is over. You shake hands and it no hard feelings,
it wasn't personal. We're moving on. It's totally fine. We'll

(40:43):
meet each other again on the court, might even be
teammates one day. But we leave what happened on the
court on the court, and that's at least the appearances
of that is exactly what happened. And men Thompson's smiling
after the game, He's talking to Jose DAPs him up,
shakes his hand, gives him a bro hug. Whatever it
is that they did in this particular game, we've seen
it many times over. But I just I got a

(41:05):
hard time. I have a hard time with that. Like,
you don't want to create unnecessary animosity, but I don't
know how you can. I mean, it is it is
clearly the smart thing to do well because otherwise you're
you're leaving the court knowing that this guy got under
your skin, knowing that you don't respect him, knowing it's
going to happen again. And honestly, that's all the Rocket
should care about trying to avoid.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
The interesting thing about this is I don't think that
he did the same thing with Tyler.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
Hero didn't have an opportunity to. Yeah, but they were
both in their respective locker.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
They did play again, well, they played. The two teams
played each other.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
Now a man did have something, he could say something
with his words, and he did. He said the same
thing he did with his actions last night, heat of
the moment, went out there and did what we needed
to do, and and you know I did.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
He said.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
There were no hard feelings, he said, it was more like,
this is what happened in the heat of the moment
of a competitive situation. I don't think Tyler said the
same thing. He said much differently because his team won
and the whole reason it escalated was basically scoreboard and
he basically said that after the game.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Yeah, so he didn't you know, he said individually, he'd
be upset too if he was getting cooked or whatever
the phrase he used. And then the next time those
two teams got together wasn't even a contest.

Speaker 7 (42:15):
That seems more like, honestly, that's real, That's how he
really felt.

Speaker 6 (42:20):
Yeah, And let's face it, you and I are probably well,
I'm definitely this way. I'm not gonna speak for you,
but just the era that we grew up watching games,
I'm definitely more of an old school guy as it
pertains to this stuff. I'm one of those guys that
hates that all these guys are dapping each other up
after the game and exchanging jerseys like they're a bunch
of friends. When I grew up watching Larry Bird and

(42:42):
Magic Johnson, Yeah they had a friendship off the floor.
But these guys hate each other on the floor. That's
what I want to see, Like.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Why did the you know, the Celtics and the Pistons
and the Pistons and the Bulls, you know, walking off
the court and there was did they play like they
disrespected them the game? Absolutely the nonsense that bill lame.
That's not basketball either, that's and.

Speaker 6 (43:06):
Then they disrespected them after the game when they wouldn't
shake hands.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
So what I'm saying, they clearly did not respect them.
They were trying to tell them loudly and clearly with
their punches, we don't respect you. We also can't beat you,
and we're not going to pretend that we do after
the game. And then we're going to disrespect the game
and you even more.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
By leaving early. And then years later in the last dance,
it was revisionist history from Isaiah Toime. Of course I
congratulated them after the game. Never see Michael Jackson and
Isaiah Thomas in the same room. Well, Isaiah's still with us,
so he's doing his part. It's gonna be harder to
do that now, Yeah, I mean, I totally get it.
It's it's definitely the way to operate. It's you know,

(43:45):
we see it in it too often in the NBA,
where there are things that hold over. And if you're
in a series where you're not shaking hands after the
game because there's game two and three and six and
seven potentially to play, uh, they would this would not
be happening. But then after the Sea especially, I keep
going back to last year because this was the first
time around for so many of these guys albron specifically

(44:06):
with Draymond Green and just a playoff opponent. I mean,
I do respect that Draymond Green is a helpful component
to a winning basketball team for the vast majority of
his career. With the more basketball of it that he
would display, the better off his team would be. The
antics have prevented them from winning games. I think we
famously know that for the series that he took himself

(44:28):
off the court in, and he took himself off the
court for punching his own teammate. He's taken himself off
the court for being unable to stop accruing flagrant foul points,
et cetera. Like at some point you should recognize you're
not playing basketball anymore.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
It is not helpful. The point of it is to
help your team win. There's nothing I mean, Jose Alvarado
with the hiding while he's on the court stuff, I mean,
I hate that, but I still think the other teams
have got to be better at Come on, does anybody
in the NBA not know that Jose Alvarado is going
to hide in the corner and you're gonna throw the
ball and he's going to try to sneak up behind

(45:02):
you and steal a basketball. I mean, you only have
to play against him for twenty one minutes a night,
three or four times a year, maybe only twice, maybe once.
Just remember that it should it should be on the
whiteboard before the game. This guy not a basketball player.
Remember that he's going to be out there doing you know,
the types of things. Yes, but at least that's that's
an attempt at you know, playing. But like I said,

(45:26):
he did the right thing, but I don't know, I
don't know how he did it because I and maybe
I'm misconstruing this individual play and maybe a men after
the fact didn't feel like it was so awful, and
maybe he even thought, Okay, maybe I overreacted a little bit,
Maybe it wasn't that bad. Maybe I I've got to
recognize that he's trying to do his thing. I'm trying
to do my thing, and the best thing for me

(45:48):
is to not hurt my team with anything extra. And
so he said, all right, well, they'll shake his hand
and we'll tap it up and we'll think about it
the next time we meet. Well, I think one more.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
I mean, it feels like we're beating a dead horse here,
but one other aspect to this. And you may have
noticed this more so than I did, if at all.
I always try to, like think, okay, have there been
incidents on previous trips down the floor that led up
to something like this finally boiling over?

Speaker 7 (46:14):
You mean, like if Juju Smith Schuster blocked you in
the back and was trying to bully you, and then
after the game you punch him in the helmet, because
that's what everybody was doing after the game, saying, well,
something must have led Brian Branch to do this. Something
must have happened. Why would he do this? We all
knew something happened, and I just described exactly what happened.
He wasn't happy with the block, he wasn't happy with

(46:35):
the officials for letting it go, so he handled it himself.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
But I don't recall seeing these two getting into it
prior to this exactly.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
It's different. It's who he is, it's what he does.
It doesn't there's no build up. At any moment in time,
a player like that will just do this. That's not
who Tyler Hero is. That Tyler Hero didn't really do
anything except with his mouth. He got thrown to the
floor like a rag doll. He did that, right, But
people talk mess all the time, and that's just how
a men decided to react to it.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
But he got in the men's face prior to the throw.
I mean, it wasn't just they were talking and then
nothing happened, and then a men's like heright, I'm throwing
you down.

Speaker 7 (47:12):
All they were doing was talking. There was nothing physical happening.
I don't think it was because of a previous play.
I don't think it was a previous screen that was set.
It was verbal in its entirety. If I'm not recalling
it correctly, let me know and then when they got
face to face with the continuance of the constant verbal
yapping a hand for the Rockets, like you mentioned it,

(47:33):
let it slip away, they did. They did so extra frustrating. Yeah, no,
I totally get that. Like he wasn't frustrated with the
game last night quite obviously. I'm probably goes without saying
he was just frustrated with this ridiculous non basketball play
being thrust upon him.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
I was more frustrated with the game, I think than anybody,
just because well it was a preseason game that didn't count,
but it looked like the Rockets were just going to
put it away and then all of a sudden you
had a final possession.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
Well, that goes back to what I'm saying about trying
to grade out some preseason numbers. What you want to
look at from the preseason is what were the Rockets
like when the players that they're going to be playing
were on the court and the combinations of players that
were going to be out there were on the court.
And this game wasn't quite like some of the others
where he e May has clearly gone to the third team.
The third team got all the end minutes for each

(48:19):
of the first two preseason games. It wasn't quite like
that quite obviously in this game. But when did the
comeback begin for the Pelicans? Did it fourth quarter against who? Garbage?
It's just way nice. It wasn't the guys you would
normally make in the game in that situation, when you
had the guys out there you would normally have out
there the Rockets have. I'll just give you some numbers.

(48:43):
Everybody likes numbers. These aren't even PFF numbers. These are
actual calculated numbers that cannot be disputed. You can dispute
whether or not you believe in them, but these are facts.
Jabari Smith Junior. The Rockets outscored the Pelicans by twenty
three points when he was on the court for his
twenty two minutes. The numbers for Steven Adams plus twenty six,

(49:03):
each of the five starters at a bare minimum a
plus eleven, Joshakoge Clint Capella both minus twenty three in
their twenty and twenty one minutes, respectively. The group that
the Pelicans had on the court in Fears and Bay
and Hawkins specifically, those guys will be in their rotation
and be out there and be playing. I don't know

(49:24):
that Jeff Green, Isaiah Crawford, JD. Davison and those like
them will be out there, but they were there in
the fourth quarter. But all due respect to ninth year
senior Hunter Dickinson who was out there, Mike Peeve and
Bryce McGowan's they were a pall part of that fourth
quarter comeback. So not real concern about how it ended.

(49:45):
Glad that it did end in regulation. But when the
Rockets put their big lineup out there, especially the double
big lineup, they absolutely dominated some numbers on that. As
we continue over the course of the rest of the show,
they played three games they've outscored their opponents, and all
three games. It doesn't matter a whole lot. It matters
that some of the basketball you're about to see starting

(50:05):
Tuesday has already been on display. And like Richard earlier
who called us he loves it, I think you will too.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
The eight on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
Well, if you liked our pro football focused conversation, you're
gonna love our USA Today conversation. I can't think of
I don't even know what your opinion is on USA
Today's NFL football coverage.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
I loved it when I was staying at hotels and
how lads.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Did you call it the multi colored fish wrap? That
was somebody else's term. Do they still have USA today?
And papers in hotel lobbies not usually like the actual
paper form.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
Not in the last few hotel lobbies that I've visited,
By the.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Way, for our eighteen to twenty five demo listening a
paper is what we're referring to as a newspaper. It
was this, It still exists.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
There was a newspaper in my yard this morning, community newspaper.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
How do you stop that?

Speaker 7 (51:08):
Well, I didn't need to stop it. I just picked
it up, a plastic wrap and all, and open up
the green container that's also at my house, and I
put it right in that right there. That's what I
want to stop.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
If it's not there where I don't want it and
we'll never read it, then I don't have to go
through that step in my day of bending over with
my back. That hurts.

Speaker 7 (51:27):
I throw away a paper for the people that aren't
as old as you.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
It's okay.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
I also had to go out there because there was
a delivery outside the front door. You get what wasn't
for me? It was delivered to the wrong address. Did
you take it to him? On my way to work
this morning, I drove it to the house that it
should have been delivered to.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Can I tell you about what my degenerate package ordering
wife gets so heated about?

Speaker 7 (51:46):
I mean, I know it's I'm kind of surprised you
haven't been involved in a in a TikTok and related
to fifty with China TikTok. Whatever you can, you can
make it work in either place. But surely there have
been there have been days where the front door has
been opened and there's not not one, not two, not three,

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but multiple packages waiting outside the door.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
It would have been more accurate if you had said,
surely there are days where you don't get a package
like one. That's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
So, and we are entering I don't, I don't again,
you're using the word degenerate again, entering.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
The degenerate season where my wife season goes through more
trees at our front door than I've ever seen in
my life.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
Oh you mean killing them, yeah, murdering them in mass
by ordering.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
It's a tree genocide at our front door every day
from now until like December twenty sixth.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
From what my vacations have told me there are a
lot of trees out there. We seem to go to
a lot of places that have a lot of things.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
This is a climate change is a hoax? No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
There aren't as many trees as there used to be.
I can recognize.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
It's fine.

Speaker 7 (52:59):
It is fine. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
So too.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
I know our listeners love us and all. But all
you wanted to get to was some sports information produced
from the USA Today.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
I'm just gonna go down the list of the Seahawks
versus Texans picks against the spread.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
This is USA Today's five days out. Yeah, got it.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Yeah. That's the other thing. Is this the longest bye
a week in the history of their organization.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
Normally entities wait until the day before, two days before
the morning of, Like we're not screened all the injury report. Yes,
this NFL Today Show on Thursday saying, man, you are
so wrong. The Tectans are absolutely shutting out the Titans today.
We do that much closer to game time.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Yeah, and in this case, we're gonna have a Saturday
injury report.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
Well, we normally have a report.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
For the week. We'll be Saturday. Yeah, So that's a
very good point to bring up all these idiots that
are that are saying this, But I just I'm just
gonna read the blurbs. I won't even put names attached
them because I don't particularly know who they are or care.
Seattle's defense just too much of the Texans offensive line
to handle.

Speaker 11 (54:06):
C J.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Stroud will have a very difficult time making plays downfield,
as the Texans will likely be playing from behind early.
So not only do they have no chance, it's because
they're going to be down by five touchdowns.

Speaker 7 (54:16):
That's what I read, just like the last time they
played Darnold.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Yeah, this one, this is another one. This one could
be a sneaky, high scoring game, but can Houston handle
the raucous environment in Seattle? Doesn't feel like the Texans
can be fully trusted just yet. So he took a
completely different winding year.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Reading these things with this tone of total dissatisfaction and discuss. Yeah,
especially the diss that you've said are like totally correct.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
Hold on, I'm not done. The Seahawks are better than expected.
Jackson Smith and Jigba leads the NFL in receiving yards.
The Smith in Jigba versus Derek Stingley junior matchup is
one to watch. Now that person will get his name
attached because that's a reasonable take. Okay, Tyler Dragon as
his real last name. It is, he's been on the
show before. That's a stage name.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
That's not a stage he cover sports, Tyler. His real
name is Dresenhoff or something like that. A bunch of
other people who have really awesome names, and they go
with the Dragon. He's going with Dragon. It is Dragon.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Another one. The Texans are coming off their buy and
have played better over their last two games, but they
came against the Titans and Ravens, a pair of weak defenses.
Seattle's defense is solid in the red zone, so I
expect the Seahawks to clamp Houston's offense in a hostile environment.
Chokes on you, Lorenzo. They hardly ever get to the
red zone unless they play crappy defenses anyway. Another one,

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love this defensive matchup for the Seahawks against the Texans.
A front runner in the NFC West emerges question Mark
and then one more. I want to trust the Texans,
but I don't know if they'll be able to score
enough against this Seattle defense at home. Now, all of
that like you said on its face is fair and

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not balanced.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
I feel like all of those things have been said
by somebody on this show since the Texans beat the Ravens,
Like we've said all those things, but all of them
are about the Seattle defense.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
The Texans defense practically, I don't even know if they're
suiting up in this game based on what I just read.
They do they exist? Does the texans number one ranked
defense exist because points? Does the number one ranked defense
for the Texans exist because to hear them tell it,

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Seattle's defense is gonna show up. It's gonna be a shutout.
And even if it's not a shutout, the big scary
Seattle fans are going to be so intimidating that the
Texans are just gonna curl up in the fetal position
and die. Their defense doesn't even matter. It doesn't have
to be there because CJ. Stroud dies. That's what I'm
reading here, And I get it, Like you want to
pick the Seahawks. They're at home, they're the better team,

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they've had a better start to the season, on and
on and on. I get all that, but like to
completely ignore that sam Donold's gonna have to contend with
the Texans defense. Well, they didn't write a book, no,
but yeah, and that blurb was like.

Speaker 7 (57:13):
And they also didn't talk to one another and say, look, man,
there's gonna be people in Houston that are gonna read
all these, all four of these, all five of these,
all eight of these and did something I mean, like
an editor, a head honcho, the leader of the pack.
He didn't get them all together and say, I want
you to give your original ideas here. This is what
makes people read. However, if everybody talks about the same thing,
I'm gonna need somebody to step outside that zone and

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you gotta talk about something else.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Did anybody talk about the Texans defense? Tyler Tyler Dragon,
Hello Tyler fake last name Dragon did well, he said
he at least he was the one talking about the
Stingley versus Smith and Jigo backing. One of them is fine.
The other guys, I mean, like seriously, Jordan Mendoza, Lorenzo Rees.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
Man, they're loving that you're giving them all this popularity. Chris,
I'm not gonna say.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Christopher Bumbaka and uh Blake Schuster legit have read the
game recaps from each of the first five weeks of
the Texan season and then just went again.

Speaker 7 (58:12):
I mean, I know, I haven't watched a game. What's wrong?
I have not watched the tech. What is wrong with
what they're saying? It's all correct in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
If you want to sell the defense to everything, Yeah,
but they didn't get into anything on the Texans side.
If you're going to almost uniformly slobber all over the
Seattle defense, then you have to acknowledge that it's not
even the best defense involved in this game.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Right, But they're playing against a bad offense. The defense
and Jack Smith and Jigba is very very good.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
But I'm here to tell you that if Derek Stingley
Junior or whomever matches up against him, because it's going
to be a rotating cast of characters, and maybe, well
you know, for the most part, possible.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Demiko and Matt Burke and the defensive backs coaches will disside,
this is our best play and go ahead. We don't
do it often. It's not really the style of defense
we like to play, and we do like to do
our own thing. So I'm saying it's a possibility, although
I don't believe they will. They could just decide, say
that's your guy today. Just chase them all over the field.
If Jackson smith And has a big day, Texans are losing.

(59:16):
I don't think that's a huge Bowl prediction. Oh I
don't think that's true. Oh really like he's going to
have a big day. I don't think it means they
can't beat I don't think that's guaranteed at all. That's
the whole point of what I'm trying to get at here.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
What's the best Okay, I'm looking at the Texans or
the Seattle schedule here they're four and two. Obviously, they've
played the forty nine ers, they played at the Steelers, Saints,
at the Cardinals, and they lost to the Bucks, and
then they just beat the Jaguars on the road. It's
not exactly a murderer's row of defense that I just
looked at. There none of those.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
In the two games that they've lost. He had nine
catches or one hundred and twenty four yards against the Niners,
they scored thirteen points and they lost. In the game
they lost to the Bucks, he had an eight catches,
one hundred and thirty two yards and a touchdown and
lost that game too.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
He's been great all year, all six games. Who's the
best cover he's played against? Though, like name brand, this
guy is one of the top three to five elite,
He's not played Derek Stingley Junior.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
What if I said I don't think Derek Stingley Junior
has had the type of season he had last year
at this point in the season.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
What if I responded by saying he hasn't been healthy
since Week two?

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
That's all one all. Both the things we said are
are true.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
So that's an advantage for Jackson Smith and Jigba if
we're being honest. But this is gonna be the healthiest
Derek Stingley's been since the opening town.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
I think so. I think that's probably the case.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
All I'm saying is, don't sell the Texans defense short.
I'm not telling you that I think that this CJ.
Stroud's going to put up three touchdowns again. He's not
playing the Titans, He's not playing a beating up Ravens
at all. That's true. But to act like Sam Darnold
and Jackson Smith and Jigba are going to like light
up the scoreboard and set NFL records the way it
sounds like here, that's exactly what I read was right

(01:01:00):
on this.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
You say that, though, I'm just saying give them.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
I'm telling you to give piece a chance, and by
piece I mean the Texans defense.

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
I like it, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
All Right, we will get to that the a on
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
I still can't believe they said that at the US
Say today about the Texans.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
You can absolutely believe what they said. You just can't
believe they didn't say a few other things.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Well, now I'm leaning into it. Now I'm going to
predict the Texans victory. Well, now the reverse is what
you could focus on. I don't think it's gonna happen.
I clearly said that last segment.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
However, if you target Jackson Smith and Jigba ten times,
he makes four catches, has fifty six yards, that is
going to make it very difficult on the Seahawks to
pile up points and outscore the Houston Textas there's been
two times this year where Seattle hasn't really kind of
clicked offensively, I don't know how they would gradut the
Arizona game. So I think that was a little bit

(01:02:02):
different because of who they're playing and what needed to
get done. But they only scored thirteen points and Sam
Donald's first start of the year, and they only scored
twenty points last week against Jacksonville. Jacksonville's defense, I thought
did a pretty good job against Seattle, and that's even
recognizing they just flat out botched the coverage on in
Jigba on his touchdown. They gave him sixty one yards

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on one play in a score. He also had seven
catches for one hundred and one yards the rest of
the game, so I don't think they slowed him down.
But they did do a pretty good job overall against
their offense, and that has happened on a couple of occasions.
Not a great running football team, they don't have other
weapons that you should be afraid of. I don't mean
he's gonna throw every pass to the same guy, but

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you should not be allowing those players to be catching
third down and eight passes for eleven yards, and you
should not be watching, you know, Kenneth Walker churn up
twelve and fifteen yards in a chunk to get them
out of bad down distance. When you somehow get to
Donald and it's second and twelve and they run the
ball and they get a first down or they get
to short, third down and distance. These are the things

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that Texans should have an advantage of. And it's not
just Stingley's that should be in good shape physically. They
obviously at certain points and seasons, and they already did
it with will Anderson Junior. They're trying to manage him
because they want him to be as healthy as possible.
The who they played their last game, well, I mentioned
it at the time, and it's certainly true today. I
mean I wouldn't say he got two weeks off, and

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that's a bit much, but he barely had to play.
He was active and took twenty two snaps. He and
Daniel Hunter are twenty two and twenty one snaps respectively
in an entire three hour football game. Because their defense
wasn't on the field a ton and the game was
out of reach so quickly, they just didn't need to
be out there as often, and that's huge. That's huge

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for trying to make it through an eighteen week schedule
and trying to go now back to back to the
rest of the season. There's no days off. There's a
Thursday night game that some people regard as your long
week and extra rest period because your weekend is actually off,
but you're really playing every single week and you only
have a couple days off. Who knows what happens in
the game before. There have been times, certainly last year

(01:04:06):
because of the Christmas schedule, and each week we've seen
so far these teams that I got to turn around
after a Sunday game, and they're the two teams playing
on Thursday. Like you were just talking about reaching over
and trying to grab the paper, what do you think
these ancient quarterbacks that are about to battle tomorrow night
are gonna have to do? They just had to play
on Sunday. Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco and I got

(01:04:30):
to turn around on Thursday night and somehow strengthen themselves
enough physically to go out there and play another football game.
They're one hundred and five years old, apiece.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
Well, one of those one of those teams is gonna
win games the rest of the season, and one of
those teams is the Bengals. So I'm not really worried about.
I mean, I think it's hilarious what Mike Tomlin said
heading into this matchup. It's such bulletin board material yet
not like it's almost like if he hadn't said that,

(01:05:01):
I'd be surprised you went and got Joe Flacco. Like
in all the things surrounding that trade, I'm all with
to Mike Tomlin on that. I also think Mike Tomlin
and the Steelers are going to absolutely punk Cincinnati and
Joe Flacco.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
I think it was mostly said for the Browns benefit.
I think it was mostly said for the Browns head
coaches benefit. It's believed that that's why he said it,
because he's tight with him, He's worked with him, the
relationship is there, and Stefanski himself just speaking facts that
I assume when he was asked about the trade, he
was like, yeah, I wasn't expecting it either. It was

(01:05:38):
a surprise to us too. I'm the head coach of
the football team, and this is my new backup quarterback
because we benched him and they decided to just move
him and move him to a team in our division
and now keep us with just the two rookie quarterbacks.
I know they have a third quarterback on their practice
squad with some experience, but I was actually surprised last
week he wasn't elevated to the second quarterback role. He

(01:05:59):
remained the the option had they needed a third quarterback,
but Shador Sanders is the backup, and they're gonna continue
watching Gabriel play the dump off game, the Matt Lioner
game of not throwing the ball down the field. At
some point that's gonna have to change, or else you're
gonna keep not scoring any points and you won't win
any games. Steelers are a really good spot. I know
we kind of transition from the hatred for the Texans

(01:06:20):
and their lack of defense to what we have tomorrow night,
but this kind of stuff still matters to Houston AFC.
They're four and one. Are you already at a point
where you just rather them keep winning and as anybody
else in their division from getting back into the playoff picture.
They're in first place. You're not necessarily competing with the

(01:06:41):
first place teams yet until you tell me you are.
The Texans are competing for a wild card spot today
and every day until they put themselves in position where
they can truly compete with the Indianapolis Colts, probably before
they play them. That might not even happen if the
Colts keep a gap between themselves and the Texans just
currently three wins, well, they're not competing with them yet,

(01:07:01):
they're too far behind. They're competing with the other teams
in the spots five, six, seven, eight, and nine.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Let me do some nasty work in the form of
a question, based largely in part on a lot of
preseason conversation we had about both of these teams. Which
one loss team in the AFC do you have less
faith in moving forward? There's only two of them. They're
right at the top of the conference. Obviously with just
the one loss.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
I mean less faith is a mean way of saying, yeah,
I don't expect either one of them will win the
Super Bowl. Neither one of them is going to be
the toughest team to be in the playoffs. Neither team
is the best team in the AFC. Their record is
the best today, but it won't remain that way so.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
At the end of the year. I guess the better
way to phrase this is which one of these teams
do you actually think?

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
And maybe the answer is both of them will be Well.
If what I said yesterday remains true the rest of
the season, then what I just said won't be true.
We won't have tremendous faith in the Ravens. We won't
have tremendous faith, and Josh Allen in the bill, we
won't have tremendous faith. And Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs,
and on down the line, Bo Nicks and the Broncos,
Justin Herbert and the Chargers. You pick it, Trevor Lawrence

(01:08:08):
and the Jaguars. I can tell you how much I
don't think the Colts and Steelers are the gonna be
the toughest teams to beat. Well, I then have to
tell you who's going to beat them, And these teams
are not playing like sitting here today. If I told
you the team that's playing the best football in the
AFC right now was in eighth place, I would be

(01:08:28):
happy to have that debate with somebody. If they want
to tell me it's somebody else, I'm telling you it's
the Kansas City three and three Kansas City Chiefs. I'm
telling you they're the team that's playing the best football
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:37):
Well, what's interesting about these two teams that have one
loss is their schedule has lent itself in a large
way to their inflated record that's probably not representative of
what they actually are, which crappy cupcake schedule has been
easier because the Steelers have a four to one record

(01:09:00):
after having knocked off the winless Jets, the Vikings, who
are if they're not starting JJ McCarthy, then they're they're
just not what they were last year with.

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
I mean, they've played three playoff teams, they've beaten two
of them.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
The Patriots win is by far their most impressive win,
given what the Patriots are doing this year. But that's
another team you could point to and say, well, they're
not exactly playing a tough schedule of their own.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
All right, but they're just like everybody else in the AFC.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
Now, I guess the Bills, the Colts beating the Dolphins, Broncos, Titans, Raiders,
and Cardinals.

Speaker 7 (01:09:32):
That's probably softer than Charlotte Surett's. That's all well and good,
but they're crushing some of those teams, and there's more
numbers to look at if you really want to grate
out what these teams are. You are what your record
says you are, and that will play out when the
schedule schedule essentially evens out to a certain extent, and
that will happen in the coming weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
The A on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 7 (01:10:04):
It is the a team.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Sports Talk is seven nineties Space City Home Network. If
you have betting odds on which player would get hurt
first here on October fifteenth, between Kevin Durant and Jalen Green,
which would you have gone with?

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
Jalen duh am using your Framber Valdez philosophy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Oh, he was due, he was due. I'm a little
surprised after all. And listen, I do not, will not,
cannot be responsible for anything that happens to Kevin Durant
after saying this.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
Because everybody already thinks it's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
So I'm hardly bringing any sort of black cloud to
the Rockets organization.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
But like, come on, everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
Thought, oh, well, there's no way Katie's gonna play eighty
two games. He's definitely gonna have some soft tissue injury.
But Jalen he's durable. Many that trade as far as
the injuries, Phoenix won that one.

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
I mean, this is silliness to the nth degree. Nobody
plays eighty two games to begin with. I mean, there's
five guys maybe that'll play eighty two games, and there's
not a bunch of guys playing eighty and eighty one either,
most years it happens. Look at the rest of the
Rockets roster. Last year, it's a who's who wasn't available
for certain periods of time, whether it was a short
term long term. I'll be the year before with the

(01:11:21):
longer term injury late in the season in Sacramento. It's
gonna happens. It is much more the nature of how
the league is, and then you add to it, teams
are to think that they can't prevent it, and the
only way to prevent it is to have players not
play or practice. The only way to prevent injuries, presumably
if they're only basketball related, it's to have them not
play and not practice. Green reaggravated a hamstring injury during

(01:11:44):
their international trip. Then he will not be available. It
does not appear for the Sun's opener, and likely a
little bit longer than that. Hamstring injuries not ideal for
trying to play an entire NBA season through, and for
a certain number of games he's going to have to
play through. It won't be one hundred percent. He'll be
active at some point, but it'll be it's still a
matter of when he's really feeling himself, and hopefully he

(01:12:06):
doesn't reaggravate it. To me, it's kind of the same
things as Lebron. I mean, I don't know a bad knee,
bad shoulder, bad ankle. He has a bad back. He's
trying to play another season, a twenty third season that
begins with him needing to miss time because his back hurts.
He has nerve issues sciatica in his back. Well, that's

(01:12:27):
not going anywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Knowing that that is an actual injury and not just
the one that they're making up on their own. John
Hollinger has them as the six seed.

Speaker 7 (01:12:35):
Well, that was part of what we were focused in
on the Rockets negativity instead of especially with the right
of the others. One of the two had the simulation
at the Lakers winning thirty six games. It's as if
the simulation knew in all the randomness of their simulations,
Lebron's not gonna be available for this game and Lucas
probably not gonna be available for that game. And once

(01:12:55):
those players aren't available for a team that's constructed their
roster as such, well they're going to lose, and even
some of the games where they are available because their
team isn't ideally put together, they're going to lose those
games too, So it's it's a bad situation. It's unfortunate
for Jalen. Again, this is not it's just for the
player himself. You'd like for him to be able to
go out there and play, and you know he's he's

(01:13:16):
he signed a contract extension here that essentially, just like
Alpern said, I am as soon as this contract extension begins,
I'm playing for my next contract. I have to earn
my next contract because they were both shorter.

Speaker 6 (01:13:32):
Deals sixty seven, seventy six, eighty two and eighty two.
Not to completely dismiss what you said about none of
these guys are gonna play eighty two games. He just
played back to back seasons in all did eighty two games.
I know, but that this guy is the guy that
we're talking about that's.

Speaker 7 (01:13:48):
Injured, right, But that the league was five guys, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
Sam strings, we're just gonna go at any point after
all that wear and tear.

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
You are proving my point three year old body or whatever.
I don't want to sign Bomber because he's been so healthy.
He's definitely not gonna stay that way. Hey, you joke,
and I joke, but I'm not really joking about that.
I am fully one hundred percent joking on this. I
just don't think that is I don't think one equals
the other. I'm not even on board with the pitch
clock resulting in all these injuries yet I am. I
know you are here.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
Listen. The guy who just got re injured after making
like two whole starts following two years of not pitching
is a guy who's arguably been the most affected by
the pitch clock, in that his whole routine prior to
every pitch he threw when he was completely healthy all
those years, was obliterated by the need for us to

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cater to the one percent of the population that doesn't
have the attention span to sit through a regularly scheduled MLB.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Done everything he was doing before as it relates to
the time it took him to throw a pitch.

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
That's true, but in my mind it's Rob Manfred's fault. Yeah,
I mean, maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:14:55):
He had like the setback that now forced him to
have the surgery that's going to put him out for
the next season and beyond was like his fourth setback.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
I know, which is actually more akin to you should
probably make some change in the medical department, which they did. Well.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
I mean, that's not the medical department's fault they'd have
a setback.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
But it is the medical department's fault that so many
guys have had setbacks. Not the injuries themselves necessarily, but like,
when was the last time a guy who pitched for
the Astros had a major surgery and didn't have a
session back here. That's not true. His velocity is down,
he didn't have to setback. Sorry, that's it. I won

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that argument. No, I just like I think that is
crazily enough, well, the best decision that the Astros have
made so far in the off season. I hope it is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
But I also again this is we act like it's
one plus one equals too.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
There's more than one person involved.

Speaker 7 (01:15:54):
And well it's not just that I can't tell you
have the surgery, follow this rehab program, and in two
twelve months you're good to go.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
They just it doesn't work. Like everybody's different. But I
can tell you that what most what happens with most
cases in these injuries, even though everybody is a different
case and the individual study and all that kind of stuff,
typically you don't have this many guys with this many setbacks.

Speaker 7 (01:16:17):
No, you know, the same team, and if it was
a one year thing, maybe you'd have a little bit
more of a leg to stand on to not feel
the need to make a change. It's not a one
year thing. It's multiple years of having concerns about how
things were handled, both pre injury, post injury, all the
rehab that goes into it, return to play procedure, all
the things we've talked about, and it was with all

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those things in play, I think it's a much easier
way to say, yes, it's time for a change. It's
time to do things a little bit differently. Whether it
is better. We'll find out if it's better. That's always
the goal. It's the same thing with you know, you're
hitting coaches, same thing with your managers, same thing with
your head coaches. I don't think the Tennessee Titans owner said, man,
this is not working out. I'm looking forward to firing
the head coach and hiring somebody worse. That's not the goal,

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that's not the intention. You always think you can find
somebody better. Penn State thinks the same thing. UCLA thought
the same thing. We'll find out in the coming months.
Or years if they were right. I think UCLA was
definitely right. I'm not one hundred percent sure Penn State
was correct.

Speaker 6 (01:17:17):
Since you brought up UCLA, I need to bring up
something that I promised I would do today. I was
having a lunch with doctor Kaplan, who you guys know
from you know, advertising here on the station. You know,
he revealed to me just nonchalantly at lunch today, just
like it was nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
You were breathing better, and he was happy to have helped.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
As I sniffed through this segment, I got at allergy situation.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
You know, where he was is sugar in the room
or something cushes And I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
I'll tell you what I'm gonna say this because this
needs a little bit of breathing, no no pun intended.
When we come back, you're never gonna believe where he
was on a very very infamous date in our nation's history.
And it's just fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
It sounds like we're upcoming for a very special episode
of The A Team, an afternoon kids special. Everyone wants
to sit down with their kids after school. You know
it's time for an after school special, maybe PSA style
Here on the A Team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
The A team on Sports Talk seven.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Ninety two lifelong Houston sports guys named Adam Talking your Team.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the eighteen.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
Hey wex Hey man, what's up? Should I grow my
beard back?

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
I mean I kind of have one right now, so
I'm not sure what you're getting.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Why are you? Why are you getting back to?

Speaker 10 (01:18:50):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
You know, guys, my favorite part of covid Era, not
covid itself, was wi.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Just it's pure. I don't ziness isn't even the right word.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
This connected to this?

Speaker 7 (01:19:04):
Well, that's I really let it go. Then that was
so bad?

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Can you grow up back?

Speaker 7 (01:19:09):
No? I can't. Why Why don't you? Because that takes
I would have to want to. I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
We want you to, and that's better.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Well, I appreciate you you diving into my personal hygiene,
but I'm not going to talk.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
I don't want to dive into it. I just want
the beer to be grown out so we can make
fun of you. I mean, I'll dive into it a
little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:19:24):
We wouldn't make fun of you running out of things
to make fun of me, for no, So you should
be good to gost I complimented your shirt today because
it is awesome. I mean we I was thinking this.
I was actually thinking this during the break today. For
those that are of you that are watching us on
Space City Home Network, I think we need to take

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a picture today, a show picture today.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Why because of you?

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
We look today? Well, I had I had a prior engagement. Hey,
look at us two regular Joe Schmoe radio talk show hosts.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Did I text Wex before four or after one point
fifteen to tell him that I was going to be
a little later than usual to our two o'clock show
from the restaurant?

Speaker 7 (01:20:07):
You did, but I also knew that with Matt being
on the road for his show. Yeah, you just roll
right into the empty seat that you have at your
disposal when Matt is not here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
Well, some of us can't do the show from the
Poshe confines, of our six diamond hotel in Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
How do you get from five to six? What's the
added thing? You have slippers that he steals slippers not
like butler service.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Well that's included in a five diamond. But if you
have slippers that you can easily sell the chef, I
don't think he has one of those.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Access to an executive pool.

Speaker 6 (01:20:41):
Like for example, and we knew of all that, we
rake jokes, but during the James Arden years, he really
did get that kind of preferential treatment.

Speaker 7 (01:20:48):
I don't know if it was some of that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Who Matt, Well, I'm asking KD probably gets that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
I'm assuming, or he could if he wanted to. You mean,
it's never getting that from the rest of the fifteen teammates.
Matt's above and beyond.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Matt's lucky that they don't put him in the cargo
area with the luggage.

Speaker 7 (01:21:05):
Like I've been on team trips before. I obviously have
gone on some college football team trips. It just went
on a couple of weeks ago with the Cougars. We'll
have one again coming up in November. Very very different, yeah,
than an NBA trip. I've been on some of the
NBA trips. On the plane and at the hotel, the
hotels are very very nice, Like for example, after we arrive,
I mean, the room's really really nice, the hotel's really

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really nice.

Speaker 6 (01:21:28):
You try to hoard toiletries.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
I don't do anything. I do what I do at
any hotel, boring. I sleep in the bed. I watched
the television, like go online a little bit. Do you
use the gym or the sauna or like go to
the pool or I'm trying to think and this should
be easy. It's not like me trying to figure out
if I've ever been to a concert that was fronted
by a female singer. I don't think I've ever worked

(01:21:51):
out in a hotel gym before. No clanging and banging
on the road. Well, have you ever gotten by the
hotel bar. I might have utilized some of the things
they have to offer, not the gym.

Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Yeah, way about the bar. I've hit the of course
I've hit the hotel bar. Come on, did you request
piano man be played?

Speaker 11 (01:22:07):
I unless there it o'clock on Saturday, the regular crowd
of the cards for everybody to write in and send
on up to the Pete the piano player.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
I'm not making songs. His name was Bill Martin, not Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
Uh Pete Pete's piano bar? Easy put together?

Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
Maybe William Martin? Well, no, his character was Bill Martin.
Who William Joel his character? Yeah? He what what movie was?

Speaker 7 (01:22:37):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
He? So he went out to La to try and
get out of his record contract. Him because he was
technically under contract years ago as nineteen seventies geez, but
because he was contractually obligated under William Joel, he went
under the pseudonym Bill Martin.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
Couldn't hide behind the nylon curtain and try to get
it done. It wasn't written yet, That wasn't until nineteen eighty,
so I know that's when I was listening to him.
Pressure was a big hit was Allentown and made a
bigger hit by our friends in the Hangover.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
Yeah, that was good stuff well, and the in the
sequel they used the down Easter Alexa. All good stuff,
all good stuff, all right. I'm at lunch today with
doctor Kaplan. We're sitting around the table and I'm like, hey, guys,
it's h one nine. I need to go soon. And
the coffee hadn't gotten there yet, so I was like, well,

(01:23:31):
I should probably text Wex now and tell him I'm
even later than I normally am getting to the radio station.
So we're getting up or exchanging pleasantries as you do
before you walk out the door, and just randomly, out
of nowhere, someone else who was there that we both know,
I'm not trying to blow anybody's cover was like, did

(01:23:51):
you hear what he just said? And I'm like no,
because I kind of came in at the end of
the conversation. I was gonna shake their hands and leave.
He's like, uh, this guy is obsessed with and I'm
like what And you know, immediately my ears were perked.
That's only one forty I got time. Well it wasn't
one forty when I was leaving, but it was like
one thirty. But I had time for this. Do you

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know where doctor Caplan was on June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,
when the White Bronco was making its way up the
four h five.

Speaker 11 (01:24:23):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
Was he in California? He was on the other side
of the freeway. What was he doing?

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
Was he holding up the sh I was watching AC
drive OJ to his house?

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
Was he on the bridge with some homemade sign yeah,
we love you orange juice?

Speaker 6 (01:24:38):
Well not that he didn't say free OJ. He wasn't stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
Yeah, free OJ actually kind of fit there versus the
free nonsense we're seeing in the NFL today.

Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
He was about to be freed from the back seats.
They could put him in the slammer. You know who
this is. It's not all he said, so I'm like,
wait a second, why were you in LA. He went
to Baylor, but he did his residency between ninety two
and ninety six at UCLA. So in the midst of
this freeway chase, he was he didn't even know what

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was going on. Remember this is nineteen ninety four. Cell phones,
if you had them, were not smartphones, and you didn't
know why.

Speaker 7 (01:25:18):
I mean, it was LA.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
There's probably a police chase every other hour, not like this,
not like well that. First of all, this wasn't a chase,
it was it was an escort. It was an accompaniment,
as they say in the documentary.

Speaker 7 (01:25:29):
Yeah, he was. I think he was around Sunset, which
is they're backed off, but followed the vehicle at thirty
five miles per hour.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
Thirty five No way, he floor they were going following
way slower than that, like maybe at the end when
he was exiting. And I think he exited Sunset because
that's how you get to Brentwood. Apparently of course, well
you know, you're you're familiar because you lived there so
many years. But yeah, he said he was in the
vicinity of that Sunset exit when it all and.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
He's like watching it on the other side of the freeway,
he says.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
He turns the radio on and he's like, you know,
holy blieve, but I can't believe what's happening. That's oh J,
can you believe this? After all these years, I finally
find someone that's not kato'kalin, who was a guest of
the show once.

Speaker 7 (01:26:12):
He was much closer to the situation, much closer to
the situation than you were.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
This isn't six degrees of separation. This is six inches
of separation. And I was like, yeah, well the person
that was there was like, uh, you just opened up
Fandora's box telling him that. So now, of course, and
he wants to go to a game next year. He
wants to go to an Astros game, a Bill's game. No,
he wasn't even playing for the Bills then or the Niners,

(01:26:38):
and he hadn't killed Bill Walsh yet.

Speaker 7 (01:26:39):
Does want to go shopping for because he wants some
Italian dress.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
She didn't buy them, she did.

Speaker 7 (01:26:45):
Does he want you to see if you can find
a you know, something to cut your shake way? He
bought the is a toners that he killed her in.
I thought he got him FM Dan Marino, No.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
That's different. That's that's it's been true. Slaws unhorned. Well,
that's like a billion years later. I just I've never
actually known someone who was on the road when it happened.
That's like he might as well have been at the
crime scene for me. That's how close that is. No
crime was commited. Not that I'm accusing doctor Michael Caplan

(01:27:17):
of anything, but I said, you know, I'm gonna bring
this up on the show today.

Speaker 7 (01:27:22):
It's kind of a running gag.

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
If I can get OJ into the show, I will,
And it's been several weeks since I have, so I'm
not doing my part.

Speaker 7 (01:27:29):
So did he pull over? I think he said he did,
But I mean, I mean, that's essentially it's what everybody
did both sides. Obviously the side of the freeway OJ
was being escorted on, but the other side of the
freeway essentially was doing the same thing. Yeah, if they
weren't on the overpass cheering him on, cheering him on.

(01:27:50):
That's what they say in a documentary, cheering him on.
Remember they literally were, I'm not not district attorneys.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
Saying that they were. They're cheering him and then he
pulls off, and then he's like, oh, he's asking my house.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
What do you know about him?

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
Oh? He plays football? Well, then he's my guy. He's
in the Naked Gun films. He's Nordberg.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
I mean, do you know what his personal life is like?

Speaker 6 (01:28:10):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
I don't know him at all. I just know he
cares the football. He's my guy. I love him. Way
to go, Oj, we love you. Do you remember he's
a sports player. He's a sports player. It's called an athlete.
Do you remember him playing for the forty nine ers
vividly or were you too young? I don't remember him
vividly playing in the NFL period.

Speaker 6 (01:28:28):
You were born in what year?

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Nineteen seventy three? I mean, his career took place beyond that.
But I was rather young when he was running from
or gaining more yards from scrimmage when he turned on
the Jean Robinson in nineteen seventy three and nineteen seventy five.
I was not locked in on Bill's football. I was
one and three years old years old.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
Yeah, but he wasn't in on the Niners until like
eighty two or three.

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
But like I said, I wasn't locked in on what
OJ was doing as a professional football player. But you know,
like OJ the broadcaster was more the introduction of who
OJ was.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
To me, my equivalent would be like cal Ripken signing
off with the with the Orioles and having the street
capen in nineteen ninety eight. I was fifteen, I think
when that happened, maybe sixteen, but I don't. I don't
remember a lot of like of cal Ripkin Junior's career.

(01:29:24):
So I just figured. But I but I was aware
and I knew what it was. I figured that's what
it was for. When like when OJ was.

Speaker 7 (01:29:30):
Done with football before the eighties, I thought he was
like seven.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
I thought it was the early eighties.

Speaker 7 (01:29:35):
He was done in seventy nine. Then he became an
actor in the eighties and hey, hey, O J.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
Simpson.

Speaker 7 (01:29:40):
Did you see the remake of a Naked Gun with
no Liam Neeson?

Speaker 11 (01:29:43):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
I actually heard it was funny. I heard it was
funny too. Okay, you're not going to see it. It sounds
like it's available. I'm sure i'll see it. Where'd you
watch the OJ chase?

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Again?

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
At friend's house? We were watching basketball that night?

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
What was on?

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
The Knicks were playing Who'd they lose to? Actually they
won that night?

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
There is the eight team Sports Talk seven ninety Space
City Home Network. I'm absolutely positive the executives and powers
that be over at Space City Home Network are very
happy about our OJ conversation last segment.

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
It's basketball. Of course, they were, what are you talking about?
It's basketball? Was the last thing we talked about. The
Rockets and the Knicks the home of the Rockets, Space
City Home Network last night.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
It's not like I got a text message from Adam J. Wexler.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
That's what shows up in your phone.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
No, that's ridiculous. But it was great because it was
the phrasing. It's always the phrasing, right, So I get
a text and it's about wait a second, Oh that
was this morning. Okay, yesterday, ten thirty nine pm. FYI
Butt Kicking Incorporated is about to get their butt kicked

(01:31:04):
on NBATV. Bill Walton on the call, It's ninety eight
ninety seven Rockets right now. Now, I need to take
you into my living room to tell you exactly what's happening.
When I get that text from you. He has been
asleep for hours at this point. She is trying to
finish up some work in the studio, but it's we
need to change the sheets, write this exact second on

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our bedtime. I don't know why that's when this happened.
I think it's because the washing machine became available. We
have a lot of laundry in our house. I'm okay,
and I said the following verbatim, there's two minutes left
in this game from nineteen ninety five. As soon as
it's over, I'll get up and take the sheets off
the bed. I said that because I was not about
to not watch it for the billionth time. When Ellie

(01:31:47):
nearly overthrows Robert or Erk, sorry, when or nearly overthrows
Ellie in the corner for three, everybody in that booth
is dead.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
It's unfortunate, Oh, Greg and Steve and Bill unfortunately, Snapper,
thank you. One thing that stands out, I think if
you're not familiar with Game seven Rocket Sons nineteen ninety
five Western Conference Semifinals but kicking incorporated, Charles Barkley and
his Phoenix Suns teammates called themselves that, and obviously their

(01:32:19):
postseason run ended a bit early for a team that
was kicking butt in the manner that he thought they
would be great night for kJ He was basically unstoppable.

Speaker 6 (01:32:29):
Especially at the line until he wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
He only missed one free throw and it was late
on a I think he was his last one, twenty
one of twenty two.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
Yep, his mom was watching last few minutes of that game.
So from ninety eight ninety seven to how it finished,
this was late in the game. This was that era
where ninety eight ninety seven was a final score or
a high scoring game, but not this night. And both
teams didn't really kind of mess around with what they
were doing that was working, and teams in the NBA

(01:32:57):
really don't do that very often anymore. I think Oklahoma
City's pretty good at it, Like, here's what we do.
They're not stopping us, so we're just going to keep
doing it because we know they can't. The Rockets didn't
mess around. They threw the ball to Dream every single
possession one hundred times out of one hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
To not one but two excruciatingly bad turnovers with the
game at a one point deficit.

Speaker 7 (01:33:21):
And the other thing Phoenix did was not double team him.
They they were able to deflect some passes one of
the turnovers you mentioned with a late double team, but
they essentially let Danny Shays get torched by him, and
he had done it. He'd only had twelve points, I
think in the first three quarters, but he went off
in the fourth quarter. He's making these ridiculous shots that
to this day we're thirty years later, nobody in the

(01:33:43):
NBA takes or makes those shots.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
The dream was.

Speaker 7 (01:33:45):
Especially as a seven foot it's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
You guys can get all excited in San Antonio that
that bean pole who's going to be out of the
league in six years is working with dreams seven to
seven this year. He's eight feet tall. It just happened
over lunch, and uh, he's not going to make shots
like that ever. He's fatal player. He's fading out of bounds.
As I said, like this would be impressive if a
guard did it. He's fading out of bounds on the

(01:34:10):
left block. He releases the shot as his entire rest
of his body is behind the backboard and it doesn't
even hit the rim. That's not even fair. Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:34:20):
They were able to keep making plays. Phoenix State right
there with him. Most of it was just letting kJ
work on whomever was guarding him, and most of the
rockets finishing lineup was heavy on the Guards because Orion
Dream wore out there. Combination of Clyde, Mario, Sam and Kenny.
They had all the other minutes at the other three
spots over the final five minutes of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
And you know what I noticed about that game that
I never really had. It was Kenny finishing when normally
it was Sam in those days, Kenny would start. Sam
would be kind of the closer, but it would a
lot of times depend on the hot hand. But it
was great because at one point Walton said something around them.
It's not going to be verbatim, but he's like, both

(01:35:00):
of these teams defense is not working right now, so
let's just go to the offense. Get it down to
Dream and they did. But yeah, like the final play
of the game was not involving kJ It was not
involving uh Elijah w On. It was involving Mary o'ellie
in the corner. And the best part is he hits
that three point shot. Especially in today's NBA, but even then,

(01:35:24):
I think we look back on that more fondly. There
was still a way for the Suns to win that game.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
Right It's I think it was one thirteen one ten
ten years later, and we're now thirty years later, but
as recently to the day it happened ten years later,
it was like that shot came in the final few seconds,
five seconds, four seconds left, one possession left. Kevin Durant
was shot before halftime last night. It wasn't it wasn't
anywhere close to the end of the year. It was
the game winner. Yeah, in that it was the last

(01:35:51):
points the Rocket scored, the last shot of the game. Well,
the Suns scored after that, right, it was one thing.
The last shot of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
From three fourth court. By the way, I was gonna
see after you sent me that text messages. Yeah, that
text message about buck Kicking Inc. Could you read on
air My first response bleep Danny aim. And then after
I'll le going hit the shot, you said good night
Joe Kleine. Well that's who he was blowing the kiss.

Speaker 7 (01:36:19):
Then later in the game, I said Marley took four
steps before he dribbled and got foul. Rockets correctly fouled
to not allow for a game winning shot attempt or
a game tying shot attempt. He went and made his
two free throws. But you could see it live And
then they showed the replay he gets the ball. You
know when they call traveling on guys at the three
point line, when they take all their steps before they dribble,
That's what he did. Oh call, you were answered with

(01:36:41):
you never want to ring. I said, Chucky Brown is
fired up. And then you said what you've already repeated
here on the show about three voices in the game.

Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
Everyone in that booth is dead. And then you sent
me a Curby Enthusiasm clip which I played for my
wife and she didn't find as funny as I did.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
Yeah, it was about Hugh and his family. It's specifically
his son, specifically his son. I hope Ericson's listening right
now in San Antonio. Hew the only person I know
who loves Curve more than you or me.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:37:14):
We need more of those things. It's been great during
these James Harden they were the second best team in
the NBA. It was great at other points between nineteen
ninety five and James Harden's arrival. They absolutely own the
legacy of Biggs is. It's a part of the NBA
history that they have had the best of the best
in the middle for such a long period of time,

(01:37:37):
and I'm not sure what we'll look at from this
group because they have so many of them, but what
they're doing in the middle now and what this team
looks like this season despite what the simulations and Johnny
h have to say. If I asked you to list
off the five teams most likely to win the NBA
title this year, you have to include the Rockets without
Fred van Vliet. Without Fred van Vliet, the Thunder are

(01:37:58):
obviously in that group. I guess you include an Eastern
Conference team because their road to the finals is so easy.
But I don't think any any of them like which
Eastern Conference team would beat the Thunder? None of them?
Which Eastern Conference team would beat the name the second, third, fourth,
fifth best team in the West. It's hard to get
there for Houston, for the Clippers, for the Nuggets, for whomever.

(01:38:20):
But if they get there, why aren't they going to win?

Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
Wow? Orlando's definitely being the Warriors in the finals. John Hollinger,
what last year the Rockets came back from a three
to one defigiit, Let's see if the Suns can withstand
these two years in a row.

Speaker 7 (01:38:35):
Jimmy Butler today currently not one hundred percent no kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
You know who else isn't one hundred percent because he's
thirty seven, Steph Curry.

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
You know who, even if he is about person rules changes.

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
Will never play defense ever because the next time he
does will be the first.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:38:53):
The hitting of the hand upon release of the basketball
this year is gonna be called a lot. I guess
who's going to the free throw line? A lot, Steph Curry.

Speaker 12 (01:39:00):
Curry.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
That's great. He needs more of those, and he needs
more help. We need to change more help. That's help.

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
That's what's a little bit, a little bit funny if
you want to laugh out loud about what they did
last year. They were the team they had that added
just one player was absolutely going nowhere. There were a
bad basketball team with him leading it. And then they
added Jimmy Butler, and a granted in basketball, adding one
player of that magnitude can make a big change. It
made an enormous change. They went from a guaranteed not

(01:39:29):
reaching the second round of the playoffs if they even
made the playoffs, to one of the last four teams
standing in the West because they had Butler, but unlike
for much of that time, and then what I mean,
I know it wasn't a typical basketball play, but it
wasn't any there was nothing wrong with it. But what
happened to Jimmy Butler in his two months with the

(01:39:50):
Warriors last year. He got hurt, Yeah, because that's what
he does.

Speaker 6 (01:39:54):
Well.

Speaker 7 (01:39:54):
He got hurt in he got hurt before that, and
he's not getting hurt. He's ruining the locker room.

Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
But I'm sure him, Draymond Green at an advanced age,
with him getting hurt, is gonna go swimmingly well all
the way to sixty three wins and a birth in
the NBA Finals where they'll lose to the Magic John Hollinger,
You idiot, I'm pretty sure that won't be happening. Stupid
people in this this biz, so many of them. It's okay,
it's not okay. He doesn't need to do that. He
doesn't need to show his face in public.

Speaker 7 (01:40:20):
Halfway through this hour, when we get back from the break,
we'll bring you Wednesday BS.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
The a team on Sports Talk seven ninety a little
help over the hump with some Wednesday BS, two Adams.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
And a whole lot of bit stealing BT.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Steeling with the Bit Steelers better known as the eight Team.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
It's funny because earlier in the show we were talking
about him Men Thompson and that other guy, what's his.

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
Name, Philly's pitcher, jose Alvarado.

Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
That's the one he's turned this game upside down, hasn't he? Yep?
And I had mentioned, you know, irritants throughout the annals
of NBA history, Josey Alvarado probably at the top of
the list these days, if you're not talking about Draymond Green.
I still separate those two because I think Draymond Green
was actually an integral part of a championship team and

(01:41:15):
not some goon, for lack of a better way of
putting it, like Alvarado is.

Speaker 7 (01:41:20):
Yeah, Alvarado's ten games of playoff experience with no postseason
series victories, pales in comparison to players who play for
winning teams. Give me his averages, He's give me his numbers.
He scored one point eight points per game in his
last postseason series.

Speaker 6 (01:41:37):
How many games did it take for him to average
nearly two points if he played in all four games?
So he got sweat.

Speaker 7 (01:41:42):
I believe they got swept the Pels in twenty three,
twenty four. I don't know how he didn't score more
points shooting fifteen percent.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
Wow, I like you kicking a man while he's down.

Speaker 7 (01:41:54):
Well, that's almost what a men did to him.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Never fails. All right. I bring all that up because
in the course of that conversation I had brought up
something to Rockets fans clearly remember, and I was at
your house watching when this happened. And I'm pretty sure
that's the last time I was at your house. So
thanks for the invice.

Speaker 7 (01:42:17):
Nothing's new, Yeah, nothing's new, except for I haven't been
there since I was breaking down twenty twelve when this happened.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:42:24):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we're friends still. How many
times you've been to my house? All of them zero?
I could count on one hand. That's not true if
I double up with fingers exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
So anyway, nothing, I'm bitter, pat Bev. I don't remember
to this day like he lizen right around the corner.
I'm just gonna stop by. It was in the neighborhood.
I mean, you're closer to me than Matt Thomas are.

Speaker 7 (01:42:50):
How many people at this station and give whatever number
you want, sixty five I have been to zero of
their houses except yours.

Speaker 6 (01:42:58):
Ah, makes you feel so good? If I'm thinking correctly
about you guys over, you've never been to Matt's house. No,
is this palatial Kingwilly State? All right, Pat Bev, let's go.
So anyways, Pat Beverly took out Russell Westbrook's.

Speaker 7 (01:43:15):
Knee with a basketball play. Yeah, it wasn't like Tanya
Harding and Jeff Gluli. Wasn't like last night with Jose Alvarado.
That's a bear hug, right, not a basketball.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
And after it happened, Russ didn't like collapse to the
court and say why why.

Speaker 7 (01:43:32):
He was trying to get the ball for the Rockets,
like going after.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
That, it's ball. He went out of bounds, off it
like we got go time out? Did he get it
in time?

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
It was awesome?

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
How about all that dramatics only to finish second to
Oksana Bayule and get silver? All right?

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
So Pat Bev and Russ have some on court history.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
Yeah, so that comes into play when you consider that
Russell Westbrook just signed on He's back in the his
eighteenth NBAC. He's an upcoming with Sacramento King There you go,
not another team in California, as will be a huge
part of this conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
So who's he's only not played for Golden State now
of the California teams, Yeah, played for both LA teams.
He's now in Sacramento. Is there a fifth team? I'm
forgetting San Diego work place here now, all right. So
he's signing on per shams.

Speaker 6 (01:44:23):
With the Kings. But Pat Beverly, the guy who injured
him back in twenty twelve, has some very strong thoughts
about one California organization as it pertains to Russell Westbrook's career.

Speaker 7 (01:44:35):
And they sound like this, what happened to Russ?

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
Bro?

Speaker 13 (01:44:38):
Woof, oh god, it's that what happened to Russ? And
Russ got a bad take because of that Lakers team.
That's the truth, bro, that's the truth. You talked to
Tu the interview with every since Russ left the Lakers, Bro,
he's been on the cloud.

Speaker 12 (01:44:52):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
We've never seen this ever.

Speaker 13 (01:44:55):
We've never seen a player who's been the MVP, who's
impacted the game, who they call them names and tell
them he can't shoot. Go to the playoff shoot forty
percent with the Clippers the very next year, right, take
a less dominion and roll with the Lakers. Take a
less domanian and roll with the Clippers. He's been a
sixth man ever since he's left the Lakers.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
He's a starting point guard in the NBA. He's arguably
one of the.

Speaker 13 (01:45:18):
Top three point guards to ever play the game. You
tell me this man can't get on the team because
he's around the league. Russell the best teammate I ever had.
I talked to Paul George.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
Ip you a Pat the idea fan down before any
other fbomb slip on through look unlikeliest carrier, unlikeliest player
ever to defend Russell Westbrook, the guy, the villain in

(01:45:47):
Russell Westbrook's world for so long, Pat Beverly, and everything
he's saying is true. Yes it is not the numbers, well, okay,
I'll give you that, but the situation itself. It is
true that ever since GM Lebron James brought in Russell

(01:46:08):
Westbrook to the Lakers, his career and his standing in
the league just hasn't been the same. Now, he kind
of had a redemption story at the very tail end
when he made it with the Nuggets last season and
both helped continue and end their playoff run, all in
the same series. But you know, nothing good has happened

(01:46:35):
with the Lakers since Lebron got there, and don't tell
me the championship is good because it's not. Nobody respects it,
nobody thinks it was real, and everything else, especially since then,
has gone its way down.

Speaker 7 (01:46:48):
I'm really sure how the nothing good has happened there
is can I can't let the name all the things,
all the things, Well, who got their first him or
Anthony Davis?

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
Him?

Speaker 7 (01:46:58):
Okay? And then he now with Luca. Yeah, and they've
won a title.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
No, they haven't. I saw it. I watched. No, he didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:47:09):
I think I did. You didn't see anything.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
You saw a bunch of pickup games in a gym
in Orlando with no crowd.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
Being a team that the league considers a team that
matters has happened since he arrived there.

Speaker 6 (01:47:23):
It would have. They would have considered them a team
that matters, regardless of if they fielded five G leaguers
in the starting lineup every night. But I don't know
about that. The Lakers are bigger than Lebron. James Well,
I will, as much as I hate to admit it, I.

Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Do think he was treated unfairly by those that were
his teammates. I don't think he played great basketball there.
No and I don't think you can kind of sugarcoat
what he's done since he left there. They no playoffs
there for him. There are no Lakers playoffs when Westbrook
was there. And he's been to the playoffs with each
of the teams he's played four since, twice with the Clippers,

(01:47:58):
once last year with the Nuggets, and he's been on
the court with him, he's been a part of their rotation.
He's averaged well over twenty minutes a game in those
playoff series, twenty six minutes a game in the twenty
four playoff games he's played with those two teams since then.
And he made almost thirty eight percent of his shots
from the floor and almost yeah, thirty two percent of
his three pointers while averaging almost three turnovers a game

(01:48:21):
in twenty five and a half minutes. Listen, like, if
you're not watching Russell Westbrook play, and you have an
agenda and you'd love to be back in the league
yourself for all the same reasons. I play for winning teams.
I help teams win. Signed Pat Beverley, You're gonna stump
for him. That's what happened. All of that aside.

Speaker 6 (01:48:39):
I can see when a narrative is being drawn up
about a guy by that organization and the guy who
actually de facto runs it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
Yeah, but that's also four years ago. He's been on
two other teams, and he's I guess saved his reputation.
What happened in LA with the Lakers isn't keeping him
from getting signed four years later and three playoff appearances
later and two good situations later isn't.

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
But while Patrick Beverly is talking about specifically Russell Westbrook,
I am taking it from the standpoint of they ruin
a lot of other people's careers too, Saskal the head coaches,
Oh it is. According to Patrick Beverly, he's it's ruined.
It's over.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
The ad on Sports Talk seven ninety How.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
Much money would it take for you to live in California?

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
I don't think like you do. I'd have to put
a lot more thought into it. What part just I
don't even if my job took me there. But there,
I'm there, Los Angeles downtown. I mean that's not a
desirable place to live, is it? Is it fun? I mean,
I'll be an empty nester soon could be in the
misus handle it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:57):
If you're an empty nester and you're gonna move, and
you don't move into my neighborhood, you know, mad, I'm
gonna be after how many times I've told you to
do that. I mean, are we gonna carpool? No, well
we could, that'd be kind of fun.

Speaker 7 (01:50:09):
I'm not not looking to move just yet, but we'll
consider it. I'll float it over dinner tonight. What's the
leader in the clubhouse, LA or my neighborhood? Your neighborhood
is a big, big front way, way out front, way
out front, not even with a like eighty twenty. Not
even objects in this mirror are closer than they appear.
That's how far away LA would be to your neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
That's awesome. I like hearing that. All right. I got
a question for both of you. Is this the week
that a certain Texans divisional rival unleashes.

Speaker 7 (01:50:43):
Who's their divisional rival? They're just in the division. The
only rival they've ever had in this the Cults. That's
not a rival.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
Jaguars, it's not the Titans. That that's the made up
rival that people in Tennessee think is their rival.

Speaker 7 (01:51:00):
So they do it this the week the Texans divisional rival,
the Jacksonville Jaguars. Correct, unleash their secret weapon? Is their
secret weapon? Travis Hunter? Yes, Are they going to unleash him? No,
they're not.

Speaker 6 (01:51:12):
Are they just gonna play him on defense like they should?

Speaker 7 (01:51:14):
You're wrong? How do you unleash him when he's been
out there for the same number of snaps he's going
to get this week?

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Oh, I'm glad you asked. Scheming him open is part
of it, Number one. Duvall till week seven to do that.
See now you're getting where I'm coming from. Our job
as an offensive staff is to make sure we're putting
him in the progression and putting him in the position
to be number one option a little bit more often

(01:51:41):
in some ways. And then when he is the primary option,
we've got to throw and catch.

Speaker 7 (01:51:48):
You see how he threw shade at his one.

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
Receiver that drops all the passes they're right at his hands.

Speaker 7 (01:51:53):
I'll look it up, but I bet you he has
a comparable success catch rate as one Travis Hunter does.

Speaker 6 (01:52:00):
You've got to make sure that we identify it, find
him be able to be at the right spot at
the right time. So I think it's a combination of
a lot of those things that ultimately can all be controlled.
The title of this is Jaggshire or I bigger offensive
role for Travis Hunter to exploit speed.

Speaker 7 (01:52:16):
Not happy with his one hundred and ninety seven yards
through six games, I suppose twenty catches.

Speaker 6 (01:52:21):
I'm not the guy who drafted him.

Speaker 7 (01:52:23):
Laton Fantasy success percentage is a reception of at least
forty percent of the yards required on first down, sixty
on second, one hundred and third or fourth, et cetera.
His success percentage is thirty eight point seven. Brian Thomas
the noted dropper of football's hiner at forty three point eight,
making him the number one more often. I mean, I'm

(01:52:46):
sure Brian Thomas Junior is a great teammate, but I
don't imagine he's super happy with that comment.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
No, it's your head coach is throwing you under the
bus whilst trying to uplift a rookie receiver slash dB.

Speaker 7 (01:53:02):
I don't know how many years they're gonna spend together
in Jacksonville. This is year two for Thomas Junior, it's
your one for Travis Hunter. So I'm gonna guess at
least four seasons, and none of those seasons will Travis
Hunter be a better offensive player than Brian Thomas Junior
in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
Well, and even if he is someday, it's not gonna
be this week against the Rams defense in London.

Speaker 7 (01:53:22):
No, Like we keep talking about how the AFC is
and what needs to happen, if you're gonna ask for help,
and at two and three, you probably need to ask
for help. If you're the Texans, you need the Rams
to do your favor. You need them as the better
team to go out and beat the Jaguars and drop
them to four and three, just like Seattle as the
better team did last week. I told you it was

(01:53:42):
good news all the way around. You wanted Seattle to
win for the obvious mathematical AFC reasons. You also didn't
want them to lose, so they would come into the
game on Monday night on a two game losing streak
knowing how much is on the line here at four
and two. I'm not saying they're fat and happy and
they're not relaxed. Those things, Really, they don't happen. The
Texans are by no means a trap game. The Seahawks

(01:54:04):
aren't going to be trapped into Well, we just didn't
get up for the Texans. They'll be plenty up for
it Monday Night football against the Texans, as they try
to get to five and two, as they try to
get to the top of their division, all those things
that go with it. But it's just it's a better
situation to have had them get a victory last week.
I said this multiple times already, and the more I watch,
the more I like. I do think Travis Hunter is

(01:54:25):
doing things that are befitting of a special player, but
I'm still not ready to say he's at that spot.
He's not that kind of option yet. I don't know
that he's gonna be a playmaker to the caliber that
they drafted him at number three.

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
Four.

Speaker 7 (01:54:40):
I think it's it is unique and if it helps you,
he has to be a plus player for it to
be a value to have drafted a two way player.
If he's not an elite wide receiver and he's not
an elite cornerback, then you can't take him at three,
and you definitely can't trade up to take him at three,
And that's always been the concern. You're not getting this
huge benefit by having one player be a starter on

(01:55:02):
both sides of the ball, like you have enough roster
spots to not need that. That's not a huge advantage.
It's only a huge advantage if he's awesome, and I'm
not saying he won't ever be. And maybe I'm on
the other side of it and that I'm just not
very complimentary of his play, and I've seen him play
more and more doing the things that look like, yes,
this is a special player offensively. I think he does.

(01:55:25):
I think he's already he's capable of being a really,
really good corner today. I do think if he was
only over there, he'd probably be even better and could
elevate his game to that level. I'm all for them
trying to get the most out of him and if
they think he could be a lead at both, which
they clearly do. And that's what Liam Collen is absolutely
saying when he says we need to do a better

(01:55:45):
job of making that happen. You know, he didn't say
it as if it was Trevor's fault. He said it
as if it's him and his OC's fault and the
play caller's fault, which is Liam's. He absolutely knows it's
Trevor's fault too. Trevor's not having a good year. He
plays for a four and two football team and made
multiple winning plays to get them to four and two
rather than be sitting here at three and three had

(01:56:06):
they lost to Kansas City the week before. But he's
not having a good season, well, not among the top
So he's definitely not among the top twelve. I don't
know if he's among the top half quarterbacks in the
thirty two team NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
I think that's what's the most frustrating part about it
for Texans fans especially, is what you're saying is true.
He's not, and yet his team has been able to
take advantage of its opportunities a lot better than CJS has,
and so he's therefore being viewed as having a somehow
a better season than I.

Speaker 7 (01:56:38):
Wouldn't say that. I don't think people are viewing him
as having a better season than CG. I think people
are seeing him for what he is because they're getting
all these advantages that make you win football games that
don't have much to do with your quarterback. They're not
just leading the league in takeaways, they're leading the AFC
and takeaways by four takeaways only six weeks into the season.
They have ten interceptions. No other team even has eight
more than eight. No team in the AFC has more

(01:57:00):
than seven. It's such a huge advantage. And I know
it was probably Demko, maybe it was Mike McCoy. I've
listened to too many head coaches this week already one
of them said, the biggest denominator, the biggest point of
emphasis statistically that points to winning and losing is still takeaways.
And when you're on the plus side of that and

(01:57:20):
they are a plus eight number one in the NFL,
that's how you win football games. It almost renders everything
else unimportant. And when you have a gap like that,
if you're plus two, or you were plus one in
this game and plus one in that game, it's not
quite the same thing. When you're plus two in almost
every game, well you're gonna win a lot of those
football games. And they have been plus two or better

(01:57:44):
on three different occasions, and they've risen to plus eight
on the season. Last week, Guess what, they didn't have
any takeaways. Guess what else happened? They didn't win. It
can be that simple. Yeah, honestly, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
Other significant other torpedoing a prominent NFL career we'll explain
next in Football at five.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:58:16):
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the eighteen eighty.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
I have to share this before we go any further
football at five here on Sports Talk seven ninety. We'll
have to take a break before it even gets started.

Speaker 6 (01:58:37):
I watched that game from the Bahamas on a fishing trip.
Awesome result both ways. I believe Doug Pike was talking
about the Rockets game in nineteen ninety five against the
Phoenix Suns, but he could have been talking about the
Knicks Rockets game, even though it really wasn't an awesome
result the Rockets way that night because they lost and

(01:59:00):
they fell behind in the series three to two. But
by the time the the Bronco was back at OJ's
place and he was in the clink, they won two
straight games to win their first ever NBA championship. I
said to him in response, what about the Oj Bronco chase?
Where'd you watch that? And he said, I think tarpon

(01:59:20):
fishing in Costa Rica. Not one hundred percent sure. I
won't share the next part where he talks about the
Chicks in Sweden, but I will say this it is
whatever is less than zero percent surprise to me that
in both cases Doug Pike was fishing.

Speaker 7 (01:59:39):
Saturdays and Sunday mornings right here on Sports Talk seven
ninety The Doug Pike Show.

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
Love Doug Pike. He's a fine American too, Absolutely agree?
All right, football five? Are you aware of what exactly
and I think you are because I sent you guys
a text of this. Are you aware of what Hailey
Steinfeld has been up too lately?

Speaker 7 (02:00:01):
She having a movie coming out? Is she on tour?
Is she pitching perfect or something like that? Pitching perfect?
She was just pitch perfect. She was not the first one.
I thought that was Anna Kendrick. She was losing all
of them. Anna was Becca, that was her name. Yeah,
she was the one who was in the shower when
Britney came in there and they sung together, even though

(02:00:23):
we didn't see anything except their faces their shoulders.

Speaker 6 (02:00:26):
I was about to say that sounds like, uh, pitch perfect,
great flick. It was fine, very popular movie. What would
Matt Thomas say about it?

Speaker 7 (02:00:34):
You just said what he would say about It's fine?

Speaker 6 (02:00:36):
Okay. Thanks Josh Allen speaking with ESPN on what his
wife Hayley Steinfeld has taught him.

Speaker 7 (02:00:44):
Quote, maybe I am more than a football player.

Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
Now, I don't want yes, you do any other reaction
then for you to just put yourself in the shoes
of a Buffalo Bills fan. So you're already seventy five
percent of you don't have a future. They want to
at least last until the orderline alcoholic opens, orderline alcoholic? Right, yes, exactly,

(02:01:12):
and no listeners on the iHeartRadio app in Buffalo? What
up Buffalo? And not the safest tailgaters, And that they
like to put each other through tables like they're a
member of the Dudleys.

Speaker 7 (02:01:23):
When they're on fire too, When they're on fire too,
when they're on fire too. There's nobody else here, all
three of us, got it? Now, put yourself in the
shoes of these people, these people, clear thinking people. Yes,
got it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:36):
When they read that, what like subsonic tone does their
howl get to?

Speaker 7 (02:01:43):
So did he start realizing with the help of his wife,
new wife, new wife just two weeks ago that he's
more than just a football player? Was it during the
off season? Was it during their postseason game last year
that they didn't win? Was during the postseason game last

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year that they did win?

Speaker 11 (02:02:05):
Like?

Speaker 7 (02:02:05):
When did this realization for Josh Allen happen. They are
four and two. I'll tell you what I have has
played two of his least successful individual games over the
last two weeks. That's certainly fair to say. He also
was sacked more often and did a little bit less
in the ground game in one of those games. Throw
the ball to the other team as many times as

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he's thrown the ball of the other team combined in
his last game. So it must have happened on October third,
twenty twenty five or thereabouts.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
In the days leading up to the Buffalo Bill's Week
six loss to the Atlanta Falcons, which, by the way,
WEX predicted in the Elevator not on the air, Josh
Allen sat down with ESPN's Marty Smith to discuss family
and football, and during his time speaking with Smith, the
Bills quarterback discussed his marriage to his wife, Hailey Steinfeld,

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specifically what he has learned from his beloved since the
two became an item in May of twenty twenty three.
Maybe that I am more than a football player. My
whole dream as a kid was to be in this position,
and I never thought of anything outside of that or
beyond that. But there is life after it as well,

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and then he added getting married it was the coolest,
It was the most important day of my life. And
then all that other stuff is just kind of the
cherry on top. I want to re emphasize what team
he plays for and their fan base on any given day,

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on the average, they are not going to want to
hear this. And it's not about them not being progressive.
It's not about It's simply comes down to one thing
and one thing only. You haven't been able to beat
Pat Mahomes head to head, and now you're sounding like
someone who's not completely one hundred percent focused on that

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in their minds. That's not going to go overwhell.

Speaker 7 (02:04:00):
Okay, So how would I analyze this situation? I'd go
to the numbers. Well, does let's go to the numbers?

Speaker 6 (02:04:09):
Okay? Since getting married Hailee Steinfeld, he.

Speaker 7 (02:04:12):
Was married in between the close of the twenty twenty
four postseason may have and the start of the current
twenty twenty five regular season. He started all six games
this year. He started one hundred and ten games before
that pre ill fated wedding. From a football standpoint, to
miss Steinfeld, they're four and two this year. Got the

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math on that. What's their winning percentage? It's not five hundred,
it's sixty six point six repeating percentage. Okay, sixty seven
percent now in the one hundred and ten games he
started as Buffalo Bill's quarterback prior to tying the knot
prior to the most important day of his entire life
to date.

Speaker 6 (02:04:52):
You can't tell me it was lower.

Speaker 7 (02:04:54):
No, I'm on board. The winning percentage for the Josh
Allen led Buffalo Bills in the regular season pre Haley
wedding sixty nine percent. Nice, that is greater than sixty
seven percent.

Speaker 6 (02:05:08):
Now.

Speaker 7 (02:05:08):
In other words, everything you're saying, everything drunk, dumb, belligerent, violent,
overweight Bill's fan, don't have a future, don't have future?
There are thinking are correct and over Let's let's take
it a step further. Since we're just all up in

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the hyperbole here, Hey, better not win next week. That
winning percentage is gonna go up.

Speaker 6 (02:05:34):
Do you remember, and I know you do, his worst
ever regular season game, Yeah, was against the Texans. Where
was it? Was it in Houston? And how did he
do in that game?

Speaker 7 (02:05:45):
He threw thirty incompletions I think or something like that.

Speaker 6 (02:05:48):
And now the most important question of all how big
of a fight did they had to have had before
that game?

Speaker 7 (02:05:53):
Well, I was trying to take this all the way
back to when it when it was Britney's problem, Britney Williams,
his ex girlfriend, who was with.

Speaker 6 (02:05:59):
Four things about rear view mirror earlier in the show,
coming to play.

Speaker 7 (02:06:04):
All right, So sports, there's a huge mental aspect to
the game. Huge and when you're everything is on your shoulders.
When you play quarterback at any level, certainly at the
NFL levels, there's a lot to it. You know, you
bring the right attitude, You have to be the guy.
You are the leader of the team, even if you're TUA.

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You might do it badly, but you are the leader.
That is that if he's clearly not all in anymore. Yeah,
I think you're sunk.

Speaker 6 (02:06:36):
And you know, just because you've made my head explode
twice this week, I'm gonna now turn around and do
the same thing to you. All right, based on what
you just mentioned, how did you paraphrase or how did
you how did you present that? With the quarterback position
and the dedication it takes.

Speaker 7 (02:06:52):
It's all on your shoulders. You got to be all in.

Speaker 6 (02:06:56):
Who was the number one pick of the Houston Texans
in too than and two David Carr. Did he have
that mentality or was he already married and focused on
other things other than football.

Speaker 7 (02:07:07):
He's married to Melody, right, Sure it's not. Derek's wife
is the same car he was with Melody at the time.
In other words, so he came in and not focused nothing.
He had no chance. But just like the offensive line,
his personal relationship with his wife has nothing to do

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with why he was not a good NFL quarterback. No
matter how many excuses you think those are good to
use with him, those are not the reasons. I'll use
your own words against you. You said it yourself.

Speaker 6 (02:07:39):
He didn't spend enough time at the facility because he
was trying to get out of there to go spend
time with his family instead of staying for extra film study, practice,
et cetera.

Speaker 7 (02:07:48):
Right, But Josh was with somebody and now and wanted
to spend time with her and was awesome at football,
but he wasn't married to us with somebody else he
wasn't married to wants to spend time with her.

Speaker 6 (02:07:58):
He spends more legal time with her.

Speaker 7 (02:08:01):
Now, it's not illegal to have a girlfriend.

Speaker 6 (02:08:03):
Right, it is a legal agreement when you're married, and
now that he has that legal agreement, it's over. See.

Speaker 7 (02:08:10):
It's very black and white, there's no gray area.

Speaker 6 (02:08:13):
Who needed the prenup though, Like, seriously, do they have one?
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:08:17):
This is about two weeks of commentary. They've lost two
games since two games since?

Speaker 6 (02:08:23):
Nothing? What happened? Highlighting that he has life outside of football.
He hasn't won a game.

Speaker 7 (02:08:28):
You're actually forgetting one real excuse and it should be
used if necessary.

Speaker 6 (02:08:34):
An injury.

Speaker 7 (02:08:35):
Nope, no, no, no, no no, not not truly the game
of football related, but it's football related. Okay, what did
we learn anything new about the Buffalo Bills this offseason?
Do we have any an inside look at the Buffalo
Bills this offseason? I don't know the answer is yes.
Oh you're talking about Hard Knocks. Yeah, they were the
featured team on Hard Knocks. They're done though, That's what

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happens every team, every team. What's the every team? What's
the best team ever? You'd like to do? Team that
has been on Hard Knocks? It's bad, worse than it
should have been. There has to be one good team.
I mean, we know Jeff Fisher had a team feature
and then he got fired the as I you know,
talk this out loud. If you were watching Hard Knocks,

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you you got to know maybe two or three other guys,
a little bit of Damar Hamlin, a couple of their
younger players. Their draft pick got hurt, so that storyline
kind of went away a little bit. It was overwhelmingly
the Josh Allen Show more so than and I think
in years past, and they're doing the show a little
bit differently, but it was just they needed him for
everything he said, sound for this interview, they got him
micd up for that. He's all the stuff they got

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at the beginning of Camp over, and it was the
Josh Allen Show.

Speaker 6 (02:09:44):
It's also it's also hard to be a quality sports
talk show host when you have a hot wife and
obviously outkicked your coverage.

Speaker 7 (02:09:51):
See that's my issue.

Speaker 6 (02:09:53):
This is Teresa's fault that I can't focus and have
a better show, just like it's Hailey Steinfeld's fault that
they're losing games now consecutive games and he can't beat
Pat Mahaws consecutive. He couldn't beat him Mahomes. Wouldn't you
be wanting to get out of the house and concentrate
on football too.

Speaker 7 (02:10:09):
Oh so it works the other way because I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:10:13):
She's no Hailey Steinfeld, which.

Speaker 7 (02:10:15):
One of the two of them was featured in a
magazine's swimsuit spread. I don't want to that hall Hailey
Steinfeld for those that don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
The A team on Sports Talk seven ninety all.

Speaker 6 (02:10:32):
Right now that we took care of the Hailey Steinfeld
portion of the show.

Speaker 7 (02:10:37):
By the way, have you seen the teams at the
Bills have beating this season?

Speaker 6 (02:10:40):
Frauds not frauds?

Speaker 7 (02:10:45):
Why because they have Josh Allen as their quarterback. No,
they're exactly where they should be. They're in a mix
of six or seven teams.

Speaker 6 (02:10:51):
Foreign to this right now based on this kind of thing.
If we can do this one way, we can do
it the other. I feel better about the Texans than
I did look at who they've lost to.

Speaker 7 (02:10:59):
That's exactly what I was trying to tell everybody yesterday.
If you look at what has happened so far this season,
you can do the same thing good and the same
thing bad to almost every single team in the AFC.
Just walk down the list the five and one colts
we've already done that. Oh wow, who'd they beat? What
they do? Nothing? They've had five easy games, they won them.

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They gave away a game against the Rams with the
stupid ad Mitchell play. That's their one loss. Okay, but
what have they really done? Talked about the Steelers earlier.
They played three playoff teams, they beat two. Great they
what have they really done?

Speaker 6 (02:11:37):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:11:37):
I'm really impressed with what they did last weekend to
the Cleveland Browns. Way to go Steelers. You got four
and two. Jaguars don't need to run through their schedule.
I already told you Trevor Lawrence stinks. It really is
the easiest league to do this with both ways. I
think it is this year. I don't think it was
like this last.

Speaker 6 (02:11:55):
Week that by and large, the in because it's it's
a week to week league. There's so much time in
between to dissect so many things that at the end
of the day probably don't amount to a hill of beans.
Exsh I felt old saying that, I know what you're saying.
But last year it was so obvious and really the
NFL's history commentary really only matters the last three years

(02:12:18):
since the Texans have become a football team three years ago,
Demiko hired drafted two of the top three players.

Speaker 7 (02:12:24):
Both have panned out. That's when it starts. And that's
what's different this year. When they started Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens, I don't really need to watch them every week.
I already know they are one of the best teams
in the NFL. If you tell me they're gonna win
the Super Bowl, I believe you. Same thing for the
Bills and Josh Allen, same thing for the Chiefs and
Pat Mahomes. Just right there, that's three more teams than

(02:12:47):
we could say that about cross the league this year.
I can't say it about the Eagles anymore. They lost
two in a row. They weren't even did they even
look that good winning those games? They barely beat the
Cowboys when they opened the season. No, I didn't mean.
I didn't mean to say the Eagles, wax. I meant
to say the Lions. The Lions, Oh, just lost again
to a three and three football team who only got

(02:13:08):
through five hundred by beating them, And they punch people
after games. Well like this the whole league this who
am I year? But even the NFC last year, Like
I knew Detroit was one of the best teams in
the NFL from the jump when they were what five
and oho, six and one, eight and one, they had
a five interception game and one.

Speaker 6 (02:13:28):
Well, that's the Texans fault. I get it. They know
how to win.

Speaker 7 (02:13:32):
They won fourteen games. Who's gonna win fourteen games this year?
The Colts, the Steelers, I mean, you only have a
couple of those are the only teams teams with one loss.
They're the only ones even eligible to still win fifteen
times like the Chiefs did a year ago. Nobody's gonna
win fifteen games this year. I don't even think anybody's
gonna win fourteen games this year. You might not have

(02:13:52):
a thirteen game winner this year. Yeah, it's not that
it's cooked, it's that this is great news for everybody
in the AA at Washington, just something they haven't done.

Speaker 6 (02:14:02):
Before, especially teams that have gotten off to sluggish starts.

Speaker 7 (02:14:04):
Justin Herbert, he's looking for his first playoff victory. Well
he can get it this year.

Speaker 6 (02:14:09):
Trevor Lawrence is trying to become a legitimate NFL top
end starter.

Speaker 7 (02:14:14):
He can do that this year. CJ and the Texans
are looking to not just win a home game in
the postseason and then walk away disappointed wherever they go
after that. Well, they can do that this year if
they get it together, if they start playing that way
this Monday and every succeeding Sunday and Thursday the rest
of the year. Because their schedule is not easy. They're

(02:14:38):
not playing any teams that are going to be ten
and two, eleven and one. They're gonna be playing teams
like them, but they're good teams. Good team versus good team.
You gotta start winning more of those games.

Speaker 6 (02:14:50):
Let's talk about what we really came to this segment
to get to Yeah football at five take two. No,
the Rockets are the betting favorite it's to be the
next team for which of these players?

Speaker 7 (02:15:04):
Yeah, I caught this via email earlier today. Run through
the list for the people. Some guy from Greece Thanasis,
some guy brother Akron Ohio who the Rockets are the
betting favorite to land to be the next team for
which of the following players Jannis Lebron, Austin Reeves, Zion Williamson.

(02:15:34):
I forgot the other two Trey Young, Trey Young and
a man named Laurie and Lauri Markinen of the Utah Jazz.
Really one of those six teams, according to bet online,
was the betting favorite to be the next team for
one of those six players. I asked that question on
the social media's earlier. First couple of guesses were the

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guy from Greece and that is incorrect. They're not the
betting favorite, according to this outlet, to be the next team.

Speaker 6 (02:16:02):
Do you think when he finishes his career in Greece
after the NBA, he takes both brothers with him?

Speaker 7 (02:16:07):
Yes, I do, okay, Yannis was favored to be his
next team. There's seven other teams on the list. Before
they even got to use six other teams. San Antonio
is one of them, isn't it? San Antonio nine to
one was fourth best odds. Lebron is not the answer either. Similarly,
there are another six teams he's more likely to be
moving to before Houston. Cleveland was first that I could

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see switching places with Luca is second. Dallas was second. Shockingly,
some people guessed Trey Young because that was we just
talked about that the other day. Who somebody brought that up,
probably one of those ridiculous articles. If the Rockets make
one more move and maybe it's Trey Young.

Speaker 6 (02:16:47):
Oh, their point guard that starts usually is out, so
obviously it's not Trey Young.

Speaker 7 (02:16:52):
Six five other teams were more likely to be his
next landing spot before the Rockets. Are any of them
Texas teams. None of them are Texas teams. Two of
them are in Florida. Both of them the only Zion
wasn't even the Rockets barely made the list. There are
ten to twelve other teams that he would land before
he would get here. Laurie was not the answer either.

(02:17:14):
Detroit and San Antonio were heavier favorites, although the Rockets
at four to one, that's a pretty reasonable betting number.
That's as in a likely place. My immediate I see
my immediate. You could be sitting in the AC's chair
because you're saying something that I just totally I don't
understand it. Why Because he's not quite as good as
Jay as Kevin Durant, but he's a little bit better

(02:17:36):
with the basketball than Jabari Smith because he's them. That's
what he is, that's where he plays. And that's also
to allow stats guy.

Speaker 6 (02:17:43):
Yes, I don't. You don't have ever been, Laura. You
have players that do what he does or by defense.

Speaker 7 (02:17:48):
I just I'm completely uninterested in a massive overpay, which
is all that Utah can do do get players to
play there and or stayed over runs their team. Daniel
Age Austin Reaveson was the answer five to two favorites
above Utah, above Detroit and so most of the questions
once I told the socials that he was the player

(02:18:09):
betting favorite. Rockets are the betting favorite for him to
have his next team be Houston? Why and what would
it take to get him? You know, he's going into
what should be the last year of his contract. Very
reasonable deals. Well he should be because he has a
player option which he should not exercise. He should also
not sign an extension with the Lakers because he's gonna

(02:18:30):
make more money if he doesn't. So he's going to
opt out whether he stays there or whether he doesn't.
I don't think he and his agent should or will
ask for a max. It's not people in the NBA
that are at that level due and sometimes they get it.
But he can be had for the year and there's
a possibility you could continue with his services. I'm not
sure what it's going to look like in LA. Is

(02:18:51):
there some positional issue with he and Luca, which I
think they're still trying to figure out. It's the three
best players now, is that the best they can be
because those are the three best players, or is there
a better way to outfit the roster because Reeves can't
do a whole lot if he doesn't have the ball,
and he's not gonna have the ball because Luca now
commands the ball. It is something you actually want as

(02:19:12):
much as people don't think this, and I'm he's not
a good defensive player, but in La it's highlighted because
of who his four court mates are. Whoever he's out
there with, it's going to be highlighted because almost all
of the time it's gonna be either Lebron or Luca.
Sometimes it's both. So you're really it's you're gonna be
in an awful defensive team. Don't play defense here. It

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won't matter at all. He's six five two ten, he's
gonna be at least as good a defender. I think
as Reed Shepherd, he's not quite as any towers over him.
He's just a bigger player. He's harder to take advantage of.
In the way that players and teams are taking advantage
of Reed. He's actually a good defensive player. He's just small,
and it's very hard to overcome that, even with some
of the things that he does well.

Speaker 6 (02:19:53):
A shot looked good last night, though.

Speaker 7 (02:19:54):
But Austin reeves, I I think I'm probably in the
minority in this room, although that's impossible.

Speaker 6 (02:20:00):
It's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 7 (02:20:02):
He's a better offensive player than I think anybody gives
him credit for. Shoots it well from everywhere, he handles
it very well, he distributes it very well. He's a
good offensive player. He's a plus offensive player. He helps
you win games offensively, and I actually think that fit
here for what he can do sans Fred would be
good not asking for it. I'm not saying it's gonna happen,

(02:20:25):
but I do think he would fit in here. You
ready for this, I'm ready. I one hundred percent agree
with you.

Speaker 6 (02:20:31):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (02:20:31):
I did not expect that, and I know I'm not
real big if I were. If they were to acquire him,
I would love to see that happen with how many
future assets, even though they're valuable, because I think he's
a fit with this group. Don't want to see that.

Speaker 6 (02:20:47):
Taking apart, what position does he play again.

Speaker 7 (02:20:50):
He also doesn't have a contract for next year, so
you're talking about adding a player you would then have
to I.

Speaker 6 (02:20:54):
Technically rate the shooting guard, but I just don't look
at this team as having these strict positions signed to
whoever you are, he would handle it a lot. How
many of you know that he is a twenty point
per game score everybody? Now, thanks for telling him it's
like that is I didn't know that. I thought, all right, Max,
this is like a fourteen points per game, twenty points

(02:21:17):
per game. That means here he's getting he's getting buckets,
and he's getting the present. You know, he's being presented
the opportunities to get said buckets. All right, when we
come back. In case you missed it, here on a
Wednesday edition of the.

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
Show The Age on Sports Talk seven.

Speaker 7 (02:21:37):
Ninety Gotta get you in case you missed it. In
case you missed it, we've got a pair of tickets
to see the Cougars this weekend eleven AM Kick with Arizona.
We got tickets to see that ever ending nineties with
Ezra ray Hart. We will do that in the final
segment of the show. You've been listening to the show
religiously for more than just today, but from today. Something
that was said by us here on the airwaves, Well,

(02:22:00):
ask you about that in the final segment of the show.
You know the answer, because you love the A team
and you were listening throughout the four hour ride almost complete,
and we'll give you those tickets at that time.

Speaker 6 (02:22:09):
What do we have today? And in case you missed it.

Speaker 12 (02:22:10):
So remember how to talk about Lowa decided to throw
literally everyone under the bus off Sunday following a twenty
nine to twenty seven lost the Chargers.

Speaker 7 (02:22:17):
Yes, I remember, well, I remember.

Speaker 12 (02:22:20):
Well, somebody must have said something to whim. Somebody must
have said, do you want to say employed, with all
the money that we're paying you, you're gonna go out
there and you're gonna say, hey, guys, my bad. And
so earlier today he went out there and started his
press conference with hey guys, my bad.

Speaker 10 (02:22:36):
As a leader of this team, the Miami Dolphins, you
know the comments that that had been said, I would say,
I've made a mistake, and I'm owning up to that
right now.

Speaker 6 (02:22:47):
You know, I've talked to guys on a.

Speaker 10 (02:22:48):
Team about it, talk to the leaders about it. You
know that they know my heart. They know that the
intent was right. But no matter the intent, you know,
the intent can be right. But when things get misconstrued
or however, if the media wants.

Speaker 6 (02:23:03):
To portray it, you know that that leaves a void.

Speaker 10 (02:23:06):
Of silence and a lot of questions for the guys
on our team now being one in five, you know,
we talk a lot about all right, we.

Speaker 6 (02:23:13):
Got to get this going.

Speaker 10 (02:23:14):
We got to get this going, come in excited to
go to work, forget about the noise, And I feel
like I just added onto that for our guys.

Speaker 6 (02:23:23):
Speaking of questions, I have one. Why is it every
time people in his position, you know, public figures, athletes, entertainers,
that kind of thing that guys every time they have
to backtrack on something they say, inevitably the terms miscontrued.
It's just taken out of context. All that nothing was misconstrued,

(02:23:45):
Nothing was taken out of context. Everything you said was
not only very easy to understand what you were trying
to say in the intent behind it, it wasn't even
close to being like confusing to understand what you were
saying and doing with your statement today again, so why.

Speaker 7 (02:24:01):
Are you just own it?

Speaker 6 (02:24:03):
I mean, you can say I'm sorry, but don't try
and add on it was misconstrued or misunderstood because you
got some blowback in the locker room. That's on you.

Speaker 7 (02:24:12):
Yeah, I agree, wasn't really misconstrued. You can say you're
at the micro you can say give all the details,
give all the background, whatever it is you.

Speaker 6 (02:24:19):
Want the first to say it was taken out of
context or misunderstood where it actually was in setting like
this will be the first.

Speaker 7 (02:24:26):
The other part of it was, I wondered if during
these conversations with the leaders that he was talking about
and talk to the guys, talk to the leaders. Here
was he talking about when he was in the bathroom
by himself, staring at the mirror or something, or is
he telling us something that we're missing. He is the
quarterback of this football team.

Speaker 6 (02:24:42):
The buck stops with him as far as players. He
is not a leader. No, he's trying to tell us
I am not.

Speaker 7 (02:24:48):
One of the leaders of this team, breaming it. He's
as loud as he can. I don't lead this team.
They don't respect me as a leader, they don't want
me as a captain, they don't want me in charge.
They're okay, I guess luke warm fifty fifty with my football.
But that's what it sounds like. It sounded like that
when he made the original comments after the game.

Speaker 6 (02:25:06):
That he is not among the.

Speaker 7 (02:25:08):
Leaders that everybody wants to follow and get behind. And
it's both from a football standpoint and from an emotional
leadership standpoint, away from the actual x's and o's of it,
very hard to win in the NFL if your quarterback
multiple years in and in his case, not only multiple
years in but extended, if he's not a leader on
your team, and he's trying to tell us that he

(02:25:28):
isn't you got you're going nowhere?

Speaker 6 (02:25:31):
You're just like Jose Alvarado coming out after the game
last night and being like, Hey, what I was trying
to do there? This is being taken completely out of
context and misconstrued. I was merely trying to play basketball.

Speaker 7 (02:25:44):
Yeah, he would be lying then, as frss, you're saying
lying here, He just didn't.

Speaker 6 (02:25:48):
He did more of the same.

Speaker 7 (02:25:50):
He's having a hard time explaining the situation he's in
because it's hard to believe, Like what it's what I
just said is hard to believe. How are you not
a leader? How are you not vote leader? Even as
a one in five football team. You have a leader.
You're following someone's lead. You listen to what they say,
you follow how they go about their business. Oh yeah,
two is great. He's always the first one in here.
He's leading the quarterback meetings, even when he was out

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of action for so much time in previous years. Guys
always making sure that we're doing the right things, We're
getting what we need done. He was helping out those
the guys that were on the field in his place.

Speaker 6 (02:26:21):
He's great leader.

Speaker 7 (02:26:22):
He's been awesome from the day he was drafted by
this organization. Remember this is the only team he's known.
That's not a good situation for the quarterback. It's not
a good situation for the GM. It's not a good
situation for the owner because he continues to not do
anything about it. They still have the same head coach.
What else do we have?

Speaker 12 (02:26:39):
Album Thruhols is going to be a manager this year.
I can just write that down, permanent marker. He's gonna
be a manager in.

Speaker 6 (02:26:45):
Twenty twenty six. Where is the question?

Speaker 12 (02:26:47):
The Los Angeles James have already interviewed him, But according
to Alden Gonzalez and our favorite Jeff passing. The Baltimore
Orioles have expressed interest in bringing in the future Hall
of Fame First Basement for an interview, the replacement for
Brandon Hyde, who was fired during the early portion of
what became a very disappointing eighty seven lost season twenty
twenty five. Part of the reason why Michaelias wants to

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bring him in is because of his relationship with Matt Holliday,
a former teammate for the Saint Louis Cardinals who's the
father of Jackson Holliday, which is expected to be the
focal point.

Speaker 6 (02:27:18):
Of the franchise moving forward.

Speaker 7 (02:27:21):
That's pretty hilarious if you asked me if that's one
of your reasons to want to bring him in. Because
one of your young players has a dad that is
friends with him because they played together, it's a great
idea for your manager. This is pretty simple. I hope
to be right if I'm calling it this easy. Unless
he absolutely despises ARTI moreno, and there's no reason to

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think that he does. After all the money he paid him,
and after all the time they spent together in that organization,
and after he already met with him. If he hated him,
he wouldn't have met with him, he wouldn't be in
the mix. This is all that Albert needed and all
that Artie was gonna have to see in order to
hire him. Oh, somebody else is interested. Oh, I better
pay him what he wants. I better pay him even

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more than he deserves. He's gonna be the manager or
the Angels. In a true best of X moment.

Speaker 6 (02:28:10):
One of the comments responding to this article by Alden
Gonzalez the Orioles shouldn't be allowed to express interest in
anything except being relegated to Triple A. That's so mean.

Speaker 7 (02:28:21):
That's a Yankees fan though, better watch for you. And
the comment about him being close to Matt Holliday Jackson
Holiday's dad, it makes it sound like they're in peril
of losing him or he's a problem of some kind. Right,
that's whack. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (02:28:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:28:39):
I don't know what to make of any of that,
but I do think this is just a typical there's
a bunch of jobs open, and I'll go interview for
whatever the ones I need to interview for to get
the job that I want. It's his leverage play, and
I think and he'll be the manager of the Angels.
What else We're gonna mute wex for this one?

Speaker 12 (02:28:55):
Hey Clinton, are you excited about potentially really didn't mute me?

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
I did.

Speaker 6 (02:29:00):
We're gonna mute it with this one, Hey I Clai.
Would you like to see the Texans add in another
running back before the trade deadline?

Speaker 12 (02:29:06):
It depends on who it is. Well, how about bres Hall? Because,
according to reports from ESPN Stan Graziano, teams expected to
have interest in running backs include the Kansay Chiefs, Houston Texans,
and Los Angeles Chargers. Top name on the market is,
of course, Breese Hall for.

Speaker 6 (02:29:20):
The holdest jets. Let me tell you this would be
what this is a trade?

Speaker 7 (02:29:25):
I'm assuming trade?

Speaker 6 (02:29:26):
Yes, I mean, while I admire Nick Cassario's ability to
just make an just nauseating amount of deals since becoming
the Texans GM, if I'm Breeze Hall and those three
options are where I'm headed, wouldn't you rather go to
Kansas City choice? That's not true if he has no

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trade clause.

Speaker 7 (02:29:49):
Since the fourth year of his rookie contract. I just
made it up.

Speaker 6 (02:29:52):
Guys, Can you play a long I'd rather go to
Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 (02:29:55):
I know I'm gonna play there if the GM has
a choice, and he does. If Kansas City will face
the fact that they can be much better in the
run game if they replace the running backs that they have.
It's not a scheme problem, and it's not an offensive
line problem in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (02:30:11):
If I'm wrong, they.

Speaker 7 (02:30:12):
Would disagree, and so they would keep doing what they're doing.
They should absolutely be the team most interested in trading
for him, and also in the last year of his deal,
when he's assuredly he's gonna make he's gonna make good
money this offseason.

Speaker 6 (02:30:24):
Was he would be going to a team in the
AFC West whose quarterback actually will win a playoff game.

Speaker 7 (02:30:30):
Like he's worried about winning a playoff game he plays
for the Jets, about winning a game that's true, which
he has not yet done this season, might as well
be justin Herbert. Tickets to the Cougs, tickets to the
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Speaker 6 (02:33:22):
Ninety fire to tell you that one of the all
time greats is celebrating a birthday today.

Speaker 7 (02:33:31):
It's not sports, No kidding. What what are you mad about?
I'm not mad yet. If I were to tell you
it's Halle Berry's birthday. Okay, Catwoman? That never happened? Uh,
Bond Girl, Okay? Why did it never happened? Because the
movie was so bad? Yes, she was fine Michelle Pfiffer's Catwoman. Okay,

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it's okay to be better at it. Happy with both.
I didn't know that was a suggestion. So they're very different.
One is a Kirby, the other is not.

Speaker 6 (02:34:10):
How would you describe the other?

Speaker 7 (02:34:12):
Thin?

Speaker 6 (02:34:14):
I thought you'd say bony?

Speaker 7 (02:34:15):
For sure, she is. She's a cool rider. Though she's fine.

Speaker 6 (02:34:19):
She did not she was.

Speaker 7 (02:34:22):
Birthday. What's your favorite Halle Berry sports movie? That's not
what I was gonna ask, But that's what I'm asking.
I mean, it has to be the Program. It could
be The Last Boy Scout. Ah.

Speaker 6 (02:34:35):
I don't really consider that a sports movie, Believe it
or not. What's the first scene. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (02:34:40):
That's like Diehard's a Christmas movie. Of course, it's a
Christmas movie.

Speaker 6 (02:34:44):
Of course.

Speaker 7 (02:34:44):
The Last Boy Scout is a football movie. Character is
a football player. It all takes place around a football
owner is a washed up cop.

Speaker 6 (02:34:53):
I guess Damon Wayne is barely a supporting actor in
that movie.

Speaker 7 (02:34:57):
That movie doesn't work without his buddy. It's a b
cop movie. You need both buddies. The Last Boy Scout
is the title. The program is literally about a college program.
All right, Florida State, by the way, Yeah, if you
couldn't tell what's your question about the celebrity birthday?

Speaker 6 (02:35:13):
How old do you think she is?

Speaker 7 (02:35:14):
Sixty one? Wow? Is that wrong?

Speaker 6 (02:35:18):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:35:18):
I mean yes, fifty nine perfect, Okay. I couldn't believe
that when I saw that she's done well, she's gonna
be in her sixties next year. They're all going to
die soon. What's the most recent piece of work that
she's done? That's good because it doesn't matter, I come
to mind, can't I couldn't tell you Instagram if I
hadn't have blurted out a bad Batman movie and you

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were asked to say, oh, Halle Berry, what's the first
thing that comes to mind? You know what's funny about
that question.

Speaker 6 (02:35:47):
She is not an actress where I would say, oh,
that's definitely the movie right there. I mean, I'm sure
if I brought up her resume then I'd be like, oh, yeah,
that one.

Speaker 7 (02:35:59):
But I don't I mean, like, could you at least
like the Bond movie that she was in. I don't
even think I ever saw it Die another Day. I
don't think I ever saw it. I'm not a Bond
as Bond movie. But I like, I just like she
was showed up in John Wick three. Yep, well, she
was not the star attract late in the movie.

Speaker 6 (02:36:22):
Bob bobon was the star attraction of that movie, all right,
But like, seriously, she's she's actually in the first one, okay,
x men. Yeah, Like, I guess that's her most for
me for being see a lot of people remember that
one for obvious reasons. But like she for as famous

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and as you know out there as she has been
her whole career. Also divorced David Justice to bring it
back to sports, that's a check, Mark's a it's a
good things, just a high profile relationship as part of
her career. I don't really think she has, like, oh
that is that is the movie she's known for. You

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asked that about any other actress or actor. I could
probably like rattle off something Boomerang, Yeah, Jungle Fever, could
be any of these. That's your proving the point. Well,
happy birthday, Halle. I did not know that too. Hallis
In one day she did she did the thing where
she's you know, considered older but still very very attractive.

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So she's like, this is fifty nine. Of course she's
in a bikini. Like, we get it, you've drunk from
the fountain of youth. Whatever.

Speaker 7 (02:37:36):
It's okay to prove it. Yeah, no problem here.

Speaker 6 (02:37:42):
I used to do a show with a guy who's
very good friends with David Justice. Okay, I mean it's
pretty easy to narrow it down.

Speaker 7 (02:37:52):
Was it Sean Jones?

Speaker 6 (02:37:53):
Uh huh okay, And I mean this he said this
on the air, So I'm not like, I'm not going
too on your.

Speaker 7 (02:37:58):
Co hosts that played professional sports, the only one I
don't play. And uh, she was a lot apparently good.
She had a lot going for it. So I don't
mean that in a good way. I know you don't, Okay,
it's understanding. She let her be your own person. Man,
it's okay. You know everyone's not for everybody. You sound

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like Mark Wahlberg and the other guys. I'm a peacock.
You gotta let me fly.

Speaker 6 (02:38:26):
She would have.

Speaker 7 (02:38:26):
She would have probably been able to pull off the
role of Will Ferrell's wife, and the other.

Speaker 6 (02:38:30):
Guys not as well as even Mendez. It was pretty
good what he said. She dressed like a hobo. Christine.

Speaker 7 (02:38:38):
That's such a good said. Come on, who is she?

Speaker 6 (02:38:42):
Seriously? Who is that?

Speaker 10 (02:38:45):
So?

Speaker 6 (02:38:45):
Yeah, happy birthday, Holly birthday, all right and hally Berry
not birthday only took.

Speaker 7 (02:38:49):
To the end of the show. Time is winding down, Okay,
Mariner's three games to none by the time we get back.

Speaker 6 (02:38:56):
You know who's in the house, right? Did you see
they tweeted out who's in the house?

Speaker 7 (02:38:59):
Who in Seattle? Yep, he's using a walker, No idea
each your ro is there, he's not using a walker. Well,
might as well got hurt.

Speaker 6 (02:39:08):
That's just guarantees that it's just going to relegate back
to who they really are. They're losing the next two
those things going back to Toronto tied up.

Speaker 7 (02:39:16):
Well, that's what would take if they get to then
I'll go back there. We're off on the NL side.
The Dodgers got win number two. They also took two
road games to open up the CS. Tomorrow we got
Rockets basketball once again. Last game of the preseason. Texas
will be on the field for the first time to
prep for the Seattle Seahawks Monday night football game. Looking
forward to all of that and looking forward to be

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back here with you when we get there tomorrow at
two on the A team

Speaker 2 (02:39:42):
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