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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wex Ac Cole Thompson with you on a extension Thursday. Yeah,
the Astros once again raked. Yes, the Astros once again won.
But you know what, Nicks, you know what, every other
team out there that wants to try and poach emay
Udoka from the Houston Rockets, you can't have him. He's
ours long term Rockets locking up there, man. And I
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will say this now, and I have full confidence in this,
even knowing what I've seen and not knowing what I
haven't seen yet. Obviously, I think Adam Wexler on a
daylight today, it's never been more appropriate to make a
bold statement like this. By the time emay Udoka is
finished coaching the Houston Rockets, he will easily be the
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greatest coach in the history of this franchise. That means
he's going to win multiple championships, because that's a starter
for having that kind of conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yep, Hall of Fame head coach Rockets, three time champion,
Emai Udoka, that's what he just said. If you guys
were listening right now, he's zero time champion. He's been
to the playoffs one time, He's won zero playoff series.
And if I have to refute all of the things
that were said in the first two minutes of the show.
I don't know this for a fact, because I want
to give the Rockets some credit that this might have
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happened anyway, and probably would have happened anyway. And the
timing suggests for the two years that he's been here,
in the thirty win increase that the Rockets have made
since he took over, they probably were well on their
way to doing this this offseason. But shouldn't you be
thanking the Knicks to a certain degree, because if they're
not truly interested in making a deal and offering the
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Rockets something, if for some ridiculous reason they said, oh yeah,
sure you could talk to Ema. You want to do
your head coach, Great, we'll just take some compensation in return,
or if you just make the call, and then e
May and his agent are like, well, clearly everybody in
the league, teams that are in the conference finals, they
want me. So I guess this is the off season
we're going to reach a contract extension. Rafel, Patrick Tilman,
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what do you say? Well, look, and now they have
there is a report out today. I'm sure you've heard
about it, right, here on Sports Talk seven to ninety
that the Rockets and email Udolka have reached an agreement
on a contract extension, as you would expect always this
way from a timing standpoint, to make him one of
the highest paid head coaches in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Eight figures annually, though not seven eight figures annually.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, in order to be in that stratosphere now in
this day and age, it needs to be eight figures.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
This zero time NBA championship head coach. And that's I mean,
I'm saying that intentionally because it is a fact.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But I don't say what I just said if I.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Didn't think he would have already had at least one
championship in Boston. That was basically his championship.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I mean that as outrageous.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why why it's his roster, it's his guys, it was
his culture that he instilled, and it was his assistant
that was coaching them. And well, in a similar sense,
I think Mark Jackson gets screwed over for credit and
helping to put the Warriors dynasty together. It wasn't his championship,
and that wasn't e May's championship.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Likes, especially since it's where's the Rockets. We're talking.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm almost willing to not say anything about that one,
but I obviously did. Mark Jackson's not even remotely close.
Why so, you existed in their building, so you get
credit for it. No, how close were they to winning
a championship with Mark Jackson.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
If you think all Mark Jackson did was exist in
that building as he was legit helping to put that
roster together that would become a dynasty, then.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That's your he was helping to coach the roster. That's
not true, Yeah, it actually is.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You don't think Mark Jackson had a big part in deciding, no,
we're gonna trade Monte Allis and keep Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's not I'm not eliminating him from a converse Biggs
right there, right, But that's not his judge's history influenced
the people that pulled the trigger on the deal.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, and I will say this, I think ima Udoka
has a much bigger influence on the Rockets roster shape shaping, shapement,
how do you say it, roster shaping than Mark Jackson
probably ever did in Golden State. But that kind of
lends itself to what I'm arguing here. I know that
Rudy tom Janovich is the greatest coach in franchise history,
and I know that Hakim Olaijuan remains the greatest player
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in franchise history. I'm just saying that, if this is
the trajectory that we're on right here, and I know
it's early, this is a lot like the CJ. Stroud
conversation we've had. He's had two whole seasons, and because
of the way they each went is why people are
either really really stupid saying dumb things right now ranking
him where they are, or otherwise. I realize it's a
very very short tenure, but I don't think the Rockets
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commit this money to him if they don't somewhat agree
with me.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, everybody agrees with you too what they think and
would love to see happen, But it's just too hard
to say that nobody does that.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Like how many coaches.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Have titles and Oklahoma City does exist crazy tiny yeah,
And then now you have that also going up against you,
because the Rockets ran through a host of different coaches,
and you'd start that list with Mike D'Antonio. They're gonna
win a title with this team and with this coach,
No question about it. Oh wait, I forgot there's a
team that's better than them. Well that's Oklahoma City now,
it was Golden State then. But it's a great conversation
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to have, and that is part of the conversation about
em for him moving forward with the Rockets. Where do
you actually think he fits? For all that he does
for this team? Culture creator, coach, in game strategy strategies,
working with players, wanting players to come here because he's here,
all the things that he does for the team he
is working with to get an NBA championship. Now rate
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him against the other twenty nine outfits and the other
twenty eight head coaches in the NBA, because the Knicks
don't have one. Where does he fit? I imagine there's
ranks thirtieth currently in that it's a vacant seat and
they actually wanted to make maybe steal this coach for
that seat. So yeah, that's an interesting conversation to have.
And I don't think there's too many. But we're all
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ears if there are out there people that think this
was the other side of it, because we listen to
all sides.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
One of the things you keep hearing about, whether it's
Kevin Durant, whether it's really you. Hear this out there
no matter what, and this is regardless or before I
should say, when the Rockets were caught up in all
this trade talk. People want to come play for ema Udoka.
People have wanted to play for him every stop he's
been in, and that was before he was a head coach.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
One of the four very important people slash reasons while
the Rockets have an advantage over everybody else, Ema Udoka
is one, Royal Ivy is two, specifically to the pursuit
of Kevin Durant. Steven Adams is three and recently hired
member of the Rockets basketball slash front office staff. DJ
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Augustine is number four. All close in some very good
fashion to Katie personally. Longhorn connections obviously with Royal and
DJ and Royal with OKC, along with Steven Adams and
Brooklyn and Emy and Kad. All of them have long standing,
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very positive working and personal relationships with Kevin Durant. Most
of the other teams have either nothing or one person
who he's bounced.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
The ball with before.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Somebody knows they're wouldn't mind whatever I think if he
wants to win. They're at least on level footing with everybody,
or slightly below Minnesota and slightly above everybody else we're
talking about, and where he wants to be. And most importantly,
one of those four people we're talking about, he's playing
for him. He wants to play for him. Who wouldn't
want to play for him? That wants to win. I
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think those things matter. But as you were saying, the
rockets in the midst of all this stuff, and they
now reportedly inked emai Udocas to a super lucrative contract extension.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, he's not going anywhere. And and because of that,
his influence on the building of this roster is not
going anywhere. And if anything else, or if anything, it
just got more solidified that he is he is running
this franchise.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Are you I'm trying to wait. You're driving me down
this path and I'm I'm listening while I'm in the car.
You're basically saying, I may will win a I want
Kevin Durant signed e May rafel Stone says I don't,
and EMA is going.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
To win if that was the scenario, which I don't.
It's a fake scenario. You're making up all right now.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But you're saying got a heavy, heavy, uh word heavy
influence on what the Rockets do, and we already know
this to be true. Ace, He's not saying anything we
don't already know because of how they already put the
team together. To say, James Harden's influence on maybe coming
back here was influenced by Emai Udoka's thoughts about how
to build the roster from where they were and how
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they build the roster from a fifty two win team.
Certainly it's a little bit different. And I'm not saying
Rafelstone doesn't want him. I'm saying, if it turns into
a I want him too. I really like him. I
think he could help us win. I can't pull the
trigger on this deal that costs us that in order
to get him, and he may probably. I mean just trying.
I'm just trying to put them on opposite sides hypothetically.
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If they're not, let's just take Kevin Durant out of
the equation.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
If there is any personnel move to be made that
Emi Udoka has not signed off on, it ain't happening.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's what I'm saying. So that's almost the reverse. No,
what I'm saying is that he has.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
He's not going to be given players that he doesn't
believe should be coming here to win with.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
He's also, and more importantly in my opinion, if the
sentence hasn't finished coma, he's also not going to have
players taken away from him that he doesn't approve of
having put in a deal.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
All right, all right, em but just just answer me this.
So we just gave you all this money because we
believe you can win, and now you're telling us you
can't win without insert current players Thompson. Well, nobody's trading, amen, Thompson.
We're talking about the actual cases.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And go to the list and let me know when
we get to a name where that would come into play.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's what I mean. You're you made it out. Is
it going to stand in the way of them pulling
the trigger on a deal? But because he doesn't want
to lose Tai, because he doesn't want to lose you,
you just mention the top two. Yeah, but I could
mention any of it, but no, I think it's different.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's what That's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Everybody but Alperin and a man I would mention in
this statement those are just the three.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Idea and when that would happen, when that fake conversation
would be had, I think I may would step in
to object more vehemently to certain guys.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
You strenuously object strenuously.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yes, I I think he would like I I think
Tarry Easton is one of those guys. I don't think
emy Udoka is down with parting ways with him because
he is the prototypical I May Udoka guy. You know
he Yeah, he does some boneheaded things. He's also like
nine years old. I mean they're all so young. But
like he's a dog. He a men. Thompson's a dog.
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These these are guys that he wants. I feel like
he feels the same way about Fred van Vliet. By
the way, let's just get that out there. I think
the reason Fred van Vliet's not going anywhere in any
sort of deal whatsoever and it's gonna get re upped
and all that kind of emy Udoka wants him here.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So should we post that on socials to see if
we get any traction. A team announces Fred van Vliet,
like Amn Thompson also untouchable.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well here, I mean, look, if you if you go
make a deal and Fred's in it.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Who's your point guard?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I what you're saying is, you know, I'm making
light of it, But it's absolutely true. We know that
we've talked to enough people that enough has been made
public about it, and it's for the one of the
reasons you just said, well, what do you do then,
But it's more about they want him here. They want
to play the basketball that Fred helps them play. They
want him helping the other players that clearly are gonna
be the driving force. It was not good news. It's
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not ideal what happened in the second half of their
series against the Warriors. It was nice that it allowed
you to continue playing that series. It was nice that
it gave your other players a longer rope to get
it together or to bring more to the table. But
have a Game five leading the way offensively, that's not
what this team is.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's full gold. It's absolutely school's goal and that's all season.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's just it could come up over a four series
postseason run sure where you get three to four games
from Jalen going berserk, Jabbari Tari Fred, anybody going, I'm
going to carry you for these couple of days. I mean,
we're one game removed from Jalen Williams scoring forty in
a finals game. He's their second best player. He took
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that game over at times. But that's gonna happen because actually.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Keep hammering that since some people keep trying to say
it's somebody else.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, it's pretty awesome when chet's only your third best
player and he's only he's only getting done some nights.
He's not even that Well, he's just the Rockets. He's
the third best player. I mean, there's it's not overall, yeah,
but I mean there are guys that that's why they're good.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's actually where the Rockets are the same on any
given night. Well, yeah, Jabari was the third or second
biggest reason why the Rockets won this game. Jalen's the
number one reason, amends the number one reason, Alpi's the
number one reason, and on down the line. That's why
some people keep wanting to say, can't you just leave
it alone? A lot of people are can't you just
watch what Oklahoma City is doing and believe that you're them?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
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