What Will Arch and UT Look Like In the Red River Rivalry

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named Adam raised.

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My Earl.

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That is Houston Sports.

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A Teams.

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A Just like that.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
It's a Friday edition of the A Team Sports Talk
seven ninety. He is Adam Wexler. My name is Adam Clanton.
Josh C in the saddle today is cole as the
day off.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Good to work with him. We work with him all
the time. But you know, just usually not in this setting.
It's usually Rockets games that we're calling. So yeah, we
will take you until six o'clock tonight, get you into
the weekend. Fantastic weather, fantastic schedule on deck of all
sorts of meaningful games, and of course Week six in
the NFL College football where the Red River Shootout I'm

(01:24):
not gonna call it the other thing will take place tomorrow.
A very interesting stone cold locks today, especially as it
pertains to that particular game that we all choose each
week a college Day game of the week, and that
is the obvious one for this one and we'll get
to that.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
But I gotta tell you wex it hasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
It's been slim pickens for Houston sports fans, especially this fall,
simply with the fact that you know, people are dancing
on the Astros grave maybe a little bit too too early.
We'll see, We'll see how the off season goes. It's
already going in many respects.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
I wasn't able to listen to all of Chris Young's
introduction of his new Rangers manager Skip Shoemaker today, but
I don't think the Astros came up, so I don't
think they were doing any dancing.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Oh so they're already.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
They're already improving their way of going about business, getting
the Astros off of their brains and just concentrating on
them for a change.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Did Jock Peterson have any thought have missed it?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Because Jock Peterson had a lot to say last year,
and that looked really really really stupid, really really quick.
I mean, but he's stupid, which part that the division
winning run would come to an end?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Exactly? They're nice little run. They just weren't the team
to do it. But they're nice little run. As you
tried to dismiss it, came at the expense of you
in twenty seventeen. If you want to say you got
your adventation twenty twenty one with the Braves, you can
do that. But you did absolutely nothing to cast a
paycheck big and fat.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
That's not doing anything. That's stealing money from the Rangers,
which a lot of people did.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
This shit. It's a pro sports tradition.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Stealing money, especially if your name's Calvin Cato, in which
case you get a song written about you.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
Money's stealing money, because come on, what are you doing.
You know who this guy is, don't you. No, you
don't know who he is, well, the Rangers should have,
but they know who he.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Used to be. Who he is now is some factor.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
It's really I say it that way because that's how
everybody says, and I keep reminding myself, I need to
refine that they're not stealing it.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
He's not.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
One year Deale, the organization and their agent got together
and they said, do you think your guy would like this?
And the agents like, don't say anything, I'll talk for you.
We're gonna say yes, And then they put it down
on paper and we'd like to pay you forty seven million,
and then the agent's like, let me, let me get
back to you on that.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Like they're giving it to it. It's not.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
They're not walking into the store and saying and handing
a note to the management team. They're walking into the
store and they're saying, how much of the stuff in
here would you like? We'll just give it to you.
All you have to do is sign the dotted line.
The players aren't stealing the money.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Stealing the part comes in. Stealing part comes in where
you don't perform anywhere near close to what they thought
they were getting when they gave you said money, and
that's when the stealing commences. That's that's how you do that.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
Yeah, the first of many off season here's our new
manager press conferences held earlier today. Yesterday more teams said
goodbye to their season. We have a game five today,
we have a game five tomorrow. Man O men Rockets
basketball again. Preseason games next week in the NBA season
will be the following week. Off week for the Texans

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on Sunday. NFL got started last night. That's why I
told you we should go ahead and you know, measure
ourselves against umpires in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't have to be.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
What I said yesterday, especially late in the show, was
straight out of meteorology school. Yeah, whatever, this is what
the models are telling me. I'm telling you it's got
a seventy percent chance of rain. It's not my fault
if is wrong. I've studied this, I've learned how to
read the models. I've learned how to look through everything
that I can. I know how to an the information
that I've been given, and here's what it's telling you

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is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I was the same way yesterday. Hey Wex, I love that.
What's up?

Speaker 6 (05:08):
You think the Giants have a chance? Don't even finish
your sentence. Of course, they don't have a chance. I mean,
under what scenario over the next three weeks are the
Eagles not going to be seven and one?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I went that.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
Far with it. It wasn't even close. They were clearly
the worst team. They got out played badly. They went
scoreless in the second half as the Giants piled up touchdowns,
and then got to be the featured team on the
set after the game. So all good things for those
that are Giants fans, unless you're fans of how they

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handled the concussion protocol, which.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Will be under review handled, But there you go. That's
how the NFL week began.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Well, and more of that is likely to come this
weekend with this team's obviously going to win, they're much better,
and then they won't.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's not even why we play the games.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
That's not even the worst thing that happen Philly sports
fans last night.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Well, all of it. That was a rare, rare night.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
The Phillies, the football squad, the Eagles, and even the
opener for the guys on ice all went badly.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, I don't care about them, Well.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Just saying it's pretty rare to have those three teams
in any one city's fandom play on the same night
and all loose.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Well, they booed Santa Claus and their city is an absolute.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Cesspool, so they deserve it. The cesspool part. If you
guys believe that, go ahead and hang on to that.
At least that's more of a current reference. I mean,
they booed Santa Claus. I know Santa Claus is still
with us, everybody knows that kids, Santa Claus is still around,
But come on, how old?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
How old is that?

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Like MT probably hangs on to Santa Claus, got boot
in Philadelphia. We're talking they had late eighties, mid nineties,
the White House era Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Is that when that happened.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Here's the problem with this. Once you do certain things,
they don't people don't forget. Why not because there are
certain things.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
Like they've had fights in the stands, they've had fights
in the parking lots.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
There's other things that Philadelphia does quite until the day
he died.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
What do you think people thought of first when they
ran into or came across or brought up the name
OJ Simpson. There's just certain things that happened with you. No,
nobody said that.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
I guarantee it was set on this show by somebody
on purpose. You Oh my god, it's Nordberg. Oh my god,
it's a double murderer. That's what they did. If I,
if I, if I were really referring to him or
having a conversation with him, I first thought would be
to ask him a question about Bill Walsh.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
In that did you kill him?

Speaker 5 (07:36):
That was the best however that went Yeah, by the way,
other than the day after he died. This might be
a new record for me bringing up OJ on the show.
As far as early reference.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
If you want to remember Philadelphia. It has to be
before their sports fans booing uh Santa Claus. Can't be
for as he's laying immobilized on the turf, can't be
Ben Franklin or anything else important for it phil.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Which is also not a modern reference because that happened
in the nineties. That is true, So it's good.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's all good.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
If you want to think about OJ, it has to
be for which is alleged to have done.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
There are certain fan bases in sports where you don't
feel bad for those people their teams lose, especially in
excruciating fashion.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
You've brought this up. We've talked about it so many
different times, and I don't feel bad for them. No kidding, Like,
does do people really feel bad for other teams fan bases?
You're a fan, We're fans. Our listeners are fans. Most
of them are fans of the teams that play here
in Houston. Under what circumstances should they feel compelled?

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Now?

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I know there's super nice people out there that have hearts.
I'm not one of them, but I guess they could
feel that way. Why would you feel bad for another
set of fans? Let's say this spin through it all
you've had the heartache. You've seen the Astros put the
best teams on Earth into the postseason and come up
with nothing. On more than one occasion, You've seen the
Oilers and Texans have teams that you thought were gonna
do a whole heck of a lot more and reach

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the postseason and ultimately do a whole heck of a
lot less.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
The Rockets do have.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
The cities two championships among those three franchises. The Astros
obviously came to the party much more recently. We're in
the Golden era for crying out loud for all the
heartache that was suffered before and now the Rockets have
gone through. We just talked about it yesterday. The article
was written the best NBA team to never win a title.
It's our team, It's this city's team. I felt bad

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when all that happened, and I'm sure the fans has
the Pro and the college. I don't care about the
I don't feel bad for Philadelphia fans whose team didn't
win a postseason series again. I don't feel bad for
the Yankees fans who've been going through losing postseason series
every year. They've been rising for the last fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
What happens. I don't feel bad, but this is the difference.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
There is a scenario where I think this would include
Houston sports fans.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
That could be the case.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
What if it's a scrappy, underdog market that just never
has had anything go its way and they finally make.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Good which one, Well, I'll tell you a good one, Charlotte. No, no,
I'll tell you a good And they came along when
a certain someone got drafted by his hometown Cleveland hadn't
done crap, and all of a sudden it was trendy
to root for the Cavaliers. Nobody even cared about them,
and for.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Lebron shows, and one goes to the Cavs And at
first it was twenty three seasons ago. This is year
twenty three for Lebron, which he's gonna miss the season
opener for the first time ever. Yeah, so during the
last twenty two seasons. Remind our listeners, which of those
seasons you felt bad for Cavaliers fans when he left?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
You did? I did? After the Jim Gray sit down,
you felt bad. It's not just that he left, it
was the way he left hilarious, and the fact that
he did a TV event to do it, and then
then they did a stupid concert.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
But why.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Because it's not their fault that the ownership didn't put
any talent around him, and then he just crushed them
after their hometown guy that they had rooted for, was like,
I might go to Miami and join up and form
a super team.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
It's a perfectly good explanation. I'm not with you. I'm
just different. I guess I don't feel that this is
sports like I don't. That's what it is. This is
all a.

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Part of it.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Were you happy for them when he came back?

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Uh, that's the same kind of principle, not like was
I happy for them? I kind of focus on here.
But I do think it's like when the Eagles won
their title, and or Tampa or any of these teams,
and we watched their parades other than the one in Arlington,
which was laughable, It is fun. I do enjoy watching
the fans get to enjoy that. I'm not you know,
it's I mean, I know we're not on TV yet,

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but the thing under the shirt is not totally black.
It's beating and it's red and there's blood mine. I mean,
the fun part of sports is also a part of sports,
and it is it does make you feel good, I
think when other things are going well, and yes you
should you can feel bad. But I feel bad for
the players there. I feel bad for the especially yesterday.

(11:52):
And we'll get into that, undoubtedly with how the Dodgers
eliminated the Philadelphia Phillies yesterday. That's to me, that's a
little different. I've already he's seen too many of the
because this is the age we're in now. We've been
there for about the last six or seven years at least.
That's what Hey, Watch the game with this crew, Watch
the game with us. I've done that before, and watch
us yell at the TV when we cannot believe what

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we've just seen, or watch us fall out of our
chair and pound the ground that we're seated on and
start fake crying or maybe real crying.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Tear a TV off the way, Charit TV. Yeah, the
tarity TV money is the.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
We got.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
We gotta do something here, so can you can?

Speaker 6 (12:29):
We we've been we haven't turned the station yet, right,
all right, just rewind it a little bit, get your
camera ready, and then we'll stage this.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
It's true, I have no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
All right, we have got a guest coming up next segment.
Tyler macombs, host of the Rush on the Ref Radio,
will be joining us as we just dive into everything
on a Friday edition of The A Team. It's Sports
Talk seven ninety The A Team on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
All right, let's get to the weekend early, even though
we're still working till six.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
We've got a big one this weekend.

Speaker 6 (13:07):
Undefeated Oklahoma and the team from right here in the
state of Texas, which you will hear right here on
Sports Talk seven to ninety Texas OU this weekend one
thirty for our coverage beginning two thirty for kickoff, the
three and two unranked Texas Longhorns take on Oklahoma, sitting
at number six to that end. Tyler McComas, who joins us,
covers the Oklahoma Sooners, host of the Rush on the

(13:31):
Ref Radio, and a pleasure to be joined by you,
Tyler here and appreciate your time this afternoon. I spent
much of the week wondering out loud, how in the
heck are is the money not telling you otherwise? And
are all the odds makers making the Longhorns a favorite?
They waited all the way until John Mattei was made
probable in the latest update on the injury side to

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finally make the Sooners the favorite. Did you find that
as hard to believe as I did all week?

Speaker 9 (14:00):
Like you and I have the same week, because in
a big game like this, you're looking for anything to
make you worried, right, and it was, Well, the majority
of the money's on Oklahoma right now, everyone seems to
think that Oklahoma is the better football team. But why
is it Vegas reacting to this? Why does Vegas still
have Texas as a one and a half point favor.
We know that Vegas, you know, normally nails games like this,

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but it did make me take a big cider relief
last night when I saw some books start to adjust
Oklahoma's a one and a half point favorite and go
into this game really my entire life like that is
a sign. But I feel like I've seen so many times,
and last year is actually an example of a few
hours before kickoff, this line will swing significantly one way

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or the other. I don't know if it's necessarily going
to do that tomorrow, but I've seen it before climb
three or four points on the day of the game,
So Vegas has been money on this game for a while,
and I am interested to see how the line shifts
over the course the next twenty four hours because I
think that this is probably is even of two teams.

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Have we seen this game in the past several years?

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Interesting and easy for me to keep the conversation on
the line, but be more specific to football at the
line of scrimmage. It's the reason I think the Longhorns
had so much trouble with Florida. Both lines, their offensive
line and their defensive line did not have the type
of games that I expected them too against the Gators.
How do you think that matchup lines up in this game?
For the Sooners, who obviously have statistically played a pretty

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good defense, a couple of reasonable opponents on their schedule,
same thing for Texas only a couple of reasonable opponents
five games into their schedule. But just the matchup in
the trenches of both sides, where do you think that
edge lies.

Speaker 9 (15:43):
I think the biggest mismatch on the field tomorrow will
be ou'sed defensive front against Texas offensive line. I think
the second biggest match in this game will be Texas
defensive front against OU's offensive line.

Speaker 8 (15:58):
I think o use defensive line line.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
Really is that legit, And it's still crazy to think
about the identity shift that this program has had over
the past few years of what you knew. Oklahoma has
for so long all offense and no defense, and for
now the past few years, it's been all defense and
no offense whatsoever.

Speaker 8 (16:19):
But their d line really is that good.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
Their frontline starters are big time players, NFL guys, which
they haven't had. They've got true depth upfront. I mean,
they really dominated Michigan. Outside Michigan popping a seventy five
yard run first play the third quarter, they did nothing.
Auburn really didn't do anything on the ground either, And
it's just hard for me to believe that Texas is
going to find any sort of a run game tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Now.

Speaker 9 (16:44):
The problem is, I could say the same thing about
Oklahoma because their worst offensive line performance came last week
against the worst team that they've played and maybe the
worst college football team that I've ever seen before.

Speaker 8 (16:58):
That's a problem.

Speaker 9 (16:59):
They're banged up, they can't find any continuity, and what
we say every single year leading up to this game, well,
whoever runs the ball better is going to win this game,
which I do laugh at because I feel like that's
any big game and any level of football, But it
is the line that's always thrown around here.

Speaker 8 (17:15):
Who's gonna be able to run the ball better? And
I don't really know. I don't really have that answer.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Right now, because what's fascinating about this Who's gonna run
the ball better tomorrow? Well, let's look at the best
options for both teams. What's Texas best option running the ball?
Stars Manny, he's their leading rusher. What's Oklahoma's best option
running the ball? Well, the one game this year where
you felt like, okay, they were fine and the run
game was against Michigan.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
But it's because John Matteir really ran the ball the
entire game.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
So I think Mateer's gonna play. But how much are
they going to run him with that injured thumb? Do
they want to put him in situations where he gets
beat up coming off of an injury like this? Oklahoma's
gonna have to find some sort of a run game.
And I almost look at this the Battle of the
trenches answer question. Maybe Oklahoma as a slide edge. At

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least their offensive line can pass block. I can't say
the same thing about Texas. But both teams are gonna
have a really, really difficult time running the football tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
I do know that, all right, Tyler.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
So we've clearly established that both quarterbacks are going to
potentially get killed.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Tomorrow in that vein, in that vein.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
I'm interested to hear, especially from an Oklahoma perspective, just
your thoughts on this weird winding path that has been
the season for Arch Manning, starting with the insane amount
of hype which I never understood personally before the year,
to where he is now and getting maybe an inordinate

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amount of being.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Crushed every week.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
It's got to be fascinating for a guy who covers
Texas's biggest rival.

Speaker 9 (18:50):
Yeah, I'm like, I was trained at birth to hate
these guys, right, and in no way am I You know, man,
just I.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
Feel for that kid. There is a human side of me.

Speaker 9 (19:03):
If you can remove the rooting interests out of it,
which is hard to do, there is the human side
of me that says, man, I mean, all everyone did
has really set this kid up for failure, and I
don't think that it's the majority of his fault. Like,
I'm sure you guys talked about the Athletic article that
came out earlier this week that was just awful man.

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So it's like all the blame is pinned on arch Manning. Well,
his offensive line is terrible. That's gotta be one of
the worst offensive lines in Texas football history. They don't
have a run game to speak of. They're okay at
wide receiver. I mean, they don't have a Xavier Worthy
out running around or a Matthew Golden out running around.

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So the situation around him is just really terrible.

Speaker 8 (19:49):
And ultimately, who does that fall on?

Speaker 9 (19:51):
That falls on the head coach that's supposed to be
this offensive guru, this offensive guru who over the course
of the past couple of years, in the biggest games
they play, Texas doesn't put up.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
A lot of offensive points. So Arch has got to
be better.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
I mean, he holds on the ball too long, he
gets happy feet, he's unsure of itself. But why don't
more people point the finger to Stark when some of
their biggest games play calling wise comes up short and
personnel wise, did not set up Arch Manning after that
great year last year to have a really successful year.
I mean, he is to blame, clearly, He's the quarterback.

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It goes with it, you know, it goes along with it.
But man, they just did not set him up to
succeed this year.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
It's a very interesting point, you may Kier on Houston Radio.
He's been in the system, been inside the building for
three years, and you don't think the people that are
running the program have put the right kind of offensive
line in front of him for him to succeed.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Technically.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
We did not talk about that this week, but we
have been talking about it for three years. With the
professional football team. That's a CJ. Stroud Houston Texans thing
to its core, and I do think there is a
bit of a correlation. Do he just happened to come
in as a darter at Texas as they were likely
headed to a down year? I did not expect it
to be quite this down on the offensive line. Bigger
picture question as we wrap things up here, who's the

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best team in the SEC as we head into the
meat of the SEC season?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Wow?

Speaker 8 (21:16):
You really say the toughest question for last year?

Speaker 9 (21:19):
I mean, I think, really the major point, I think
that this is going to be a league that just
beats itself up every single week. I think the game
in Colombia is a coin toss. Missouri could definitely win
that game. You got to acknowledge Missouri as one of
the true contenders if you don't already. If olemiss goes
to Georgia next week, you probably say they're the best.

Speaker 8 (21:39):
I mean, I'm not gonna dance around this.

Speaker 9 (21:40):
I mean I'm in the business like you guys are,
so I'm gonna actually give you an answer.

Speaker 8 (21:46):
I buried them and I left them for dead a
few weeks ago.

Speaker 9 (21:50):
I don't feel great about it, but there's not another
team in the league that I can just stick my
chest out and say they're the best in the conference.
I'll say Alabama, I guess, because I really do look
like what they're doing in the passing game right now,
I think ty Simpson's really good. But man, my mind
may change on that in twenty four hours. This is
as wide open of an SEC as I think we've

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seen it quite some time. But I'll give you an answer,
and I'll say Alabama.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, what you just said there is I think what's
absolutely true. I bet you we could have somebody on,
twenty people on from the nation, ten people on that
cover the SEC, and we might get a fifteen different
answers in that succession.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It is that wide open. There are that many good teams.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
There isn't the obvious Bama or Georgia or even LSU
previously totally dominant or right there at the top, no
question about it, and that's what should make it fun
the next several weeks. Obviously this Saturday, there's quite a
few games of great note, and I think everybody covering
the SEC believes this is what's gonna happen every week
all year, every year as we move forward. When you

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have a sixteen team league like this, even with the
nine game schedule coming up next year, it's just part
of the SEC and part of why people will be
so focused on it every single weekend on the TV
or hopefully at these stadiums where uh you will be
this weekend, Tyler. We really appreciate the time and look
forward to the game and look forward to catching up with.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
You again sometime soon.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
You bet, guys, anytime, Tyler McComas from the REF, host
of the Rush on REF Radio. There in Norman, Longhorns
and sooners right here tomorrow two thirty, kickoff one thirty.
We'll get our coverage started there we'll also bring you
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The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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on social media.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
History repeats itself type Ben, You'll succeed. Never doubt that
you're the one to plus with no one building.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
You're the best.

Speaker 10 (23:52):
Nothing's gonna ever top you know you're the best post
you never seen day your nice, You're the best of breaking.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
The entire internet.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's that time of day, and BOYD did last night
provide us with some good material. It is the best
of X. We go to the streets, to social media,
we find the best and brightest. Worst depends on what
day it is and what happened the night before. But
I thought I would just go to the source.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
When a game ends like that, and in this case,
when a series ends like that, I'm always fascinated at
the smattering, sometimes a lot more than that of people
who will go to a team's official account, see that
they've posted just nothing more than the final score, and
then weigh in after things like what happened last night

(24:54):
in the Phillies Dodgers game happened. So those extra innings,
every pitch all DDY hanging in the balance because it's
the postseason. And then you have what happened in last
night's game, and not only a game to in that way,
but a series in that way, and in this case,
the Phillies season coming to an end. So when the
official ex account of the Phillies posted the following final

(25:18):
Dodgers two Phillies won, a lot of people weighed in.
And the aforementioned video where the Eagles fan, in my opinion,
staged first bashes in his television screen after the Eagles
lost in the Super Bowl and then tears it off
the wall while people are like, hey man, it's just
a game, and he's screaming in their faces.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
I have too much money on this.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
I mean, did it end on a play of in particular,
like it was a kick okay and it was recirculated
and light of the Phillies defeat.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Yeah, I just said live look at Phillies fans. I'll
tell you what for a team that has won two
Super Bowls in recent memory. Once in twenty after the
twenty e what eighteen season or twenty seventeen season, you bet.
I figured you'd say that, and then last year i've
they've taken some on the chin oh no, along with

(26:10):
winning twice. I know, right, Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Our last guest, Tyler, mentioned the feeling bad for fans
angle of it, like he had been honing in on
our program, just in case anybody missed it. It was
the bottom of the eleventh inning of a one to
one game. The only Dodgers run had scored previously on
a basis loaded walk, and that's the situation the Dodgers
were in again. In the bottom of the eleventh inning,
after a walk to keyk Hernandez loaded the bases, a

(26:38):
comebacker to the mounds wasn't fielded cleanly, and then when
the pitcher picked it up, rather than making the easier play,
which he didn't realize at the time, the easier play
to first base, there's obviously a force to get the
runner out, a batter out, then you're out of the inning,
there's two outs. Instead, he frantically picked up the baseball
fired home wildly. He had a very good description of

(26:58):
the throw himself, which I'm sure or we'll share with
you later. But that's how the game, the series this
season and quite possibly one of the best eras of
Phillies baseball ended because of how many free agents they
do have, Kyle Schwarber being one of them. But their
series and their season ended on an errant throw on
The pitcher did his job up until the point he

(27:19):
had to feel it, the pitching part of it. He
saw the guy off, he broke his bad he hit
a week comeback or to the pitcher with the bases loaded,
two outs and a tie game in the eleventh inning
in an elimination game, but then he made an error
and the game ended. So they wanted to make sure
you knew Philly fans was were gripping.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
As the kids say, Mets fans weighed in. Not surprisingly
they hate each other.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
So Mets fans weighing in. It's like what we've been
doing for a week as Astros.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Fans absolutely and hoped to do again tonight. I'm just saying, yeah,
Pete said lmao with the Philadelphia Phillies p logo, and
then the rest of the word is athetic.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
How do you know that's a Mets fan because if
you go to his it's so far at Pete for MVP. Yeah,
the avatars of a Mets fan, and he does include
the hashtag LGM. For those that don't know, my understanding
is that stands for Let's Go Mets. Yeah, so that's
how I know it's really good. That's that's a really
good little words good as dead October just below it.

(28:23):
That was their I guess Moniker, I think that was
in the twenty two season when they played the Astros
in the World Series Red October m HM and Alance
mccullor shut that down.

Speaker 11 (28:32):
He did.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
I believe you probably appreciated what Casey posted. Oh yeah,
Casey posted a the photo, very famous photo with a
couple of very very famous actors slash comedians or musicians
and Will's case comedians and Chriss.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Case it's not music.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
Where did we first meet Will Smith? Yeah, but I
mean you should you should say it's an actor.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
He was.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
He was a fresh prince.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
No, we've met him before for that is a when
he was working with DJ Jazzy jeff Yes, Jeffrey. Okay,
there you go, as I called him.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I mean, he wasn't in Miami. I was just saying
that thing about Taylor Swift, that's not music.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Chris Rock one of the five best actors in the
Adam Sandler trio of movies.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
What's that called?

Speaker 6 (29:18):
With Spade and Schneider and Shaq and Tim Meadows and
sl and Quinn and all those guys.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
It's a picture of Will Smith slapping Chris Rock, though
you cannot see Chris Rock's face because the Phillies logo
is his face.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Which is interesting because Will Smith is a Philadelphia sports fan,
because he's from West Philadelphia, born and raised.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
There were some mean people that were commenting merely on
the play itself. And again I said earlier where my
heart lies is with the people involved. I do feel
bad for that player that picture.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
In this instance, this guy didn't all caps. He could
have thrown a first base. See I said the same
thing without the laughter. Well, that's that's not what he said.
That's not what Andrew said. How he approached Easy Money?
Did you catch that one?

Speaker 6 (30:03):
It was kind of a bigger general you guys suck
kind of post at Easy Money posted a picture of
the beach. There's a can con sign on it, and
there are a poverty district sign also sticking out of
the sand, and there are six baseball caps on it.
The Reds, the Red Sox, the Guardians, the Padres, the Yankees,

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and now the Phillies where the chosen members of poverty
District on their way to one, two three can kun.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
By the way, Another guy pointed out Big three LMFAOO
and listed Trey Turner, Kyle Schwarber, and Bryce Harper's stats,
oh for five, one for five and four four.

Speaker 6 (30:44):
A lot of people did come out today and trying
to say clearly the series was literally lost on this
final play, But where were you all series long?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Bryce Harper and others, and on and on and on.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Just like you mentioned, Schwarber showed up like I talked
about yesterday, he all of it. All but one of
his hits in the last two postseasons are home runs,
and he barely has any hits.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Those are the only hits he has.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
He has not had what I think they look at
his good postseasons, and obviously the team hasn't either. To
that end, we make fun of I think we made
fun of the Colts a couple of years ago, Scott
Frost's college football team Florida State. You know, those that
want to hang a banner or exalt their non playoff
bound division champion because they lost a tiebreaker. We're in

(31:30):
a hanger banner anyway, Wordsmith created a Phillies banner. It
says Philadelphia Phillies almost forced Game five in the NLBS.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Don't mean and I love it and it's part of
what makes the best of X. You mentioned last night's goat,
and I don't mean the good kind Oriyan Kirkering. He's
the one responsible in this case for their season ending.
At least that play that he was responsible for ended it.

(32:00):
You will not only hear how it sounded when he
did just that, you'll hear from him. And I gotta
give him credit. I mean, I'm not gonna give him
credit for what he did.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Great an interview, Yeah, I mean he was very You'll
want to hear it. He was very brad ledge in
a lot of ways. We'll explain next. The A teen
on Sports Talk seven ninety No balls in the strike
has breaks its path, kirk Ring cop find it.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Comes to the cry, oh my.

Speaker 12 (32:29):
Goodness, it comes it away of the Dodgers have won.
The Dodgers when and they are moving on to the
NLCS an emotion, improbable fetish, pandemonium at Dodger Stadium.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
And your heart breaks hor.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Right her craze, But what about a goops a move?

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I gotta tell you, the most nauseating part of that
is that it benefited the Dodgers.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
For me, you're always in a good position in the
postseason in extra innings when you're at home because it
reverts back to duh regular extra inning roles and the
home team is just you're just in an ideal spot.
If there's only two teams, you're in the better one.
I felt like this was just destined, unfortunately to be

(33:27):
a Dodgers victory, especially after they walked in the tying
run earlier in the game. Kind of felt like a
miracle that the Dodgers hadn't won the game already bad
spot to be, they almost and clearly should have gotten
out of it. There's some pretty amazing pieces of video
that were captured after that happened.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
One of the cameras videographers in the.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
Dodgers camera well, which is pointed towards first base, great
view of the pitcher bent over at the mound, hands
on his knees, can't believe what he's just done, as
the entire Dodgers dugout just rolls right by him and
threw him off to first base, where they congratulate the
guy who had his bat broken and barely got a

(34:11):
piece of the ball. I mean, he did a great job.
It's funny to me, but it's just a great video
of the way those.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Two runs came home. Was not feeling like, if you're
a Dodgers fans, like, well we dominated them, right.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Someone could have heard what I said, obvious the Dodgers
were gonna win. Why they were never gonna score. Look
how they did score. You could say that too. The
other piece of camera work, and both of these, I say, videographer,
these are you know MLB Fox cameras. The video of
Kirkering walking back into the dugout and Rob Thompson going
to the top step to meet him there the manager
of the Phillies put his arm around him and talk
to him, and he mentioned about that conversation when he

(34:45):
met with the media later.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, well that's the thing I was watching that last night.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Now, that is a game ending, series ending play that
is not contrary to I think popular belief at this
point twenty years later, what happened to Brad Lidge here
in Houston. He gave up that bomb to pooh Holes
and the Astros went back up to Saint Louis and

(35:12):
roy Oswalt shoved a gym right up their backsides, and
they won the series and went to the World Series.
To hear people talk about it now, I think you know,
did Brad Lidge? It was like what happened last night?
He gave up a home run to Albert pooh Hooles
and the Astros died.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
That's not what happened. It was just a big moment.
But he was never the same.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Brad Lidge was never the same here, but he did
stand in front of his locker every single time after
that moment where he had more difficulties here, as you say,
and then ironically salvaged his career and was on the
mound to clinch the Phillies last championship. And and you know,

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everybody here that dealt with Brad Lidge, which was definitely
you and me, many times felt good for him because
of how things ended here in Houston, because he was
just filthy prior to that Albert Poohle's home run.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
He was just stupid good and then he wasn't.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yeah, and there you know, Mitch Williams and brad Lidge,
and then Mitch Williams and brad Lidge and Kirkering, and
there's been others.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
The pitches are what the issues are.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Almost every single time with all these pitchers we're talking about,
they gave up this Like what did Kirkering give up
a thirty six mile an hour bleeder off, a broken
bat off a brilliant pitch?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
What it will?

Speaker 6 (36:31):
The difference has to Howie Kendrick. Well, he made a
mental mistake, he mentally and he he'll hear it when
he says it. It wasn't a I wish I could
have that pitch back. I mean he in light of
what ended up happening, he might want to have the
pitch back, but he probably executed the pitch just the
way he and their catcher and everybody on the out
first and you move on like, but he did field

(36:52):
it cleanly, and everything's cool. Once it wasn't fielded cleanly,
I think that's when he still had unquestionable That's.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
That's the problem.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
And the fielding non cleanly is I think probably a
big part of what went into the just horrific throw
to home.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
And if you're going to do one word to use
that starts with H O R.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
But yeah O.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Ryan Kirkering the man of the hour for all the
wrong reasons, standing in front of his locker room and owning.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Up to it.

Speaker 11 (37:19):
Shut off my foot.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Just kind of once that pressure got to me. I
just thought it was a faster throw the JT.

Speaker 11 (37:25):
We'll quick your thrower than trying to cross body.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
At the price.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
So I'm just throw.

Speaker 7 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Did you did you hear them calling telling you to
go to first at all? Or you're just in the moment.
I think it wasn't even just man, can you thing
you see JT pointing in that moment? Or is it
just kind of looking up, just kind of looking up?
Just be ready again. It's got me a lot of
guys that Chris, guys, I'll see you keep your head up.

(37:52):
It's awesome stake. Just baseball happens, and you keep your
head up, you'd be good for long time. The contents,
just that opportunity to score kind of to be Sam,
what does that say about means a lot shows they
care a lot.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
Everything, for sure.

Speaker 11 (38:16):
I'm sure a lot of guys in here I've had moments,
are learning their career here that you know they can
kind of remember very.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Good to the league.

Speaker 11 (38:25):
You know, how much do you think you can use
this kind of in the off season to you know
for good for sure? Yeah the wall with a test
wall for sure. But yeah, just kind of keep going
with it. Hopefully it started a long career. Just keep
back in the head and that's really sucks right now,
but hopefully keep pushing once get over this, I keep pushing.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Brian Anderson mentioned this on the broadcast last night. You know,
he hopes that he can come back from this because
he is so young and it is such a big
moment for all the wrong reasons in his case. That
was what I remembered about brad Lidge here in Houston
because he wasn't going to be elsewhere soon the next year.

(39:11):
He was here for plenty more opportunities, and plenty more
of them went bad, and every time they did go bad,
he stood there and just manned up and took the questions.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
You know, he hated it.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
You know, he wanted to, you know, peace out of
the clubhouse early before the media got in there, and
he never did that, and you know, it didn't change
the results for the Astros, but it told me something
about him as a man. And as an athlete, and
I hope that that's what happens, because that's what Brian
Anderson was saying last night. You know, Kirkhering's so young
still that this is really you get to next year

(39:44):
and you find out how much damage mentally this has done.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
Yeah, three years, two full seasons, but he's also pitched
in the postseason each of those three years, came up
late in the year, was a part of their twenty
three playoff rosters. And then the last two years same thing.
He's been really, really good in those two years. They've
given him the ball over one hundred and seventy times
in the two years for a reason. And I do
think where he is in his career will help a
great deal. The fact that he's also very talented will

(40:09):
help a great deal. He'll go out there and he'll
have some ups and downs, but I truly believe he'll
be fine after this.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's not easy, but I think he'll be fine. All right.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
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Speaker 4 (40:21):
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Speaker 2 (40:24):
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Speaker 1 (40:30):
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Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler, are the.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
A tingon.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
So tonight? So tonight? Any chance to be at all? Why?
What do you like about the Giants? Cam Scataboo?

Speaker 6 (40:56):
What's he gonna do to help you beat the Eagles tonight?
He's gonna run past them, run through them, score multiple times.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
That all sounds good. But he's not gonna do those
things he might. I don't think. I don't think he will.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
He's scattaboo three zone touch down?

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Uh, the Eagles losing a division game on Thursday night
to the Giants telling you, I've got about it.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
I'm surprised the line is as low as it is.
Just over a touchdown also favors the Giants. I mean,
it's telling you that there's that game that's telling you
there's some belief in the Giants' ability to do this.
But I gave I said none, Right, how much chamber lasted,
I said none. I'll stick with that.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
You and Cole hates. That's what I learned from this.

Speaker 6 (41:44):
He's not beating the Eagles by himself, by himself, he
and his three point eight yards per case doing it.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
It's gonna be awesome. He's gonna up that average. I'm
all right, I am too. Let's watch it together.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
We'll give it the scataboo scatterboo.

Speaker 9 (41:57):
Second after does he get in, One official said short,
the other one says touchdown.

Speaker 8 (42:05):
Scatibu he is.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Fourteen carries into the game. I could not have been
more right. Fourteen scataboo carries into the game. I was
all over first half scataboo eight carries, thirty one yards.
He did have one of the touchdowns, three point nine
yards per carry. Six carries later he was at three
point eight five yards per carry. It was exactly what
I had said. But it's why, I mean, what would

(42:35):
be the point of us coming in here every day?
We wouldn't They don't need to play the games. Well,
they have to play the games because no matter what
I tell you, what AC tells you, or anybody else here.
On Sports Talk, seven ninety guests included, we don't know
what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
It's why sports are awesome.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
In at four thirty, when you give you our stone
cold locks and half of them are wrong, Yeah, I
already know that's gonna go poorly for a different reason.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
I'll tell you why. At four thirty but that it
should some respect.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
We never got into the actual x's and o's of
the game last night when we talked about it yesterday afternoon. Yeah,
probably the biggest reason they won was something we never
brought up.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Their defense is actually good.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
They actually can get after the quarterback, and they did
and at times, you know, I know, Jalen Hurts had
time to throw, but he was just kind of there
just wasn't anything cooking for them, and Saquon Barkley actually
got off early in the game. But the Eagles also
have a little bit of a trend going so far
this season, and it is a not a good one
for star meetings, no DIT meetings. Apparently the meeting took

(43:35):
place in the parking lot on a casual walk to
each of their respective cars, but when they all got together,
two of them referenced it and acknowledge it that yeah, yeah,
we talked to each other and AJ Brown said, yeah,
that's pretty much all it was. No something that we're
familiar with last season for your Houston Texans, a little
bit of an issue for them, looks like a monster
size issue for the Philadelphia Eagles. A bunch of one

(43:57):
score games quite obviously one of them. The win over
the Rams largely helped by their special teams putting points
on the board for them. They're having a hard time
putting points on the board in the second half. Eighty
nine points in the first half, fifty three points in
the second half, none in the second half of last
night's game, and the Giants ships getting the ball. The

(44:18):
huge swing play in any game if it happens happened
in last night's game. Eagles driving for a score, throw
an interception in the red zone, gets returned all the
way to the other side of the field. It wasn't
for a score, but the Giants were able to easily
punch it in. That's the type. Okay, game's over, we lose.
That's why it happened to the Chiefs earlier this week.
Chiefs are driving on the Jaguars, will score a touchdown.

(44:39):
Pat Mahomes throws a pass to Devin Lloyd. Devin Lloyd
is not on his team. He returned it all the
way the other way for a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
It's how you lose.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Momentum is definitely real in sports, and specifically in the NFL,
I think, maybe more so than any other place.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
But what's a scoreboard thing, Well, it's a fourteen point
swing swing.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
But the turnover eating to a successful drive. We've seen
it too many times and it just makes the turnover
all the more soul crushing. But I do need to
clarify as it seems like I'm violently patting myself on
the back for predicting this.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
It's more about you should be crushing me, shouldn't you?
Like I thought there was. I feel like they could,
they might have this. I'm feeling like the giants have this.
The line's telling me this, and you shouldn't be just
so dismissive, And I'm saying, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
They're gonna get crushed. That's scataboo. He's not gonna do anything.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
You gotta understand the Scataboo thing specifically almost is more
of a dig at coal than it is you because
Cole was originally the one, and I think this was
an off off air conversation. I was jokingly like, hey,
I think he needed a fantasy football position and was
looking at trades and I said, you can have Cam

(45:52):
Scataboo and he legit laughed at me that day.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
And this was after I think Week two, maybe.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Whenever Cam got some touches, but it wasn't like you know,
last night where he scores three touchdowns. Whenever he was
you know, effective for the first time this year, I
think it was in week two and I was like,
all right, you know, and he look. He stayed on
my bench I think the next week. And then I
saw that week that he had gotten a little bit
more traction. Plus Russ was being pulled Jackson Dart. You know,

(46:18):
we say this with about tight ends and sometimes with
running backs as well. You're going to kind of go
to your your kind of safety net, your your safety blanket,
whatever you want to call it. And so I started
playing him like I think, as a flex, and I
was getting some good traction. But I just saw how
the team responded when he gets out there and he
gets the ball, he's a battering ram. He's fearless. I mean,

(46:39):
we have audio of him stripping his shirt off last night,
as Ryan Fitzpatrick does the same thing, and then they
chest bumped.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
To take it off. So good.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Often you hear that in places where they probably shouldn't
be videoing it, but last night they were because it
was two bros.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Yeah, it's called Marty gras and you get you know,
apparatus afterward.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
Did they say that, dads, you don't have to say anything.
It's understood. The jewelry is received.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
And once the alcohol is flowing, or once the jewelry
is requested, then after the jewelry is received.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
But I mean, yeah, like I need to clarify the
timing of what you're talking about, just to clarify that.
I had a conversation about that very thing with a
co owner in fantasy football, you know is there. He
was asking me, you know, should we do this with
our defense, with our kicker. We had the number one
waiver pick, and I said, Scataboo had thirty five snaps
more than Tracy. Need to take a chance that he

(47:31):
gets to RB one status like it, and so we.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Picked him up. Listening, he has been crushing ever since.
Who's the gosh, I'm drawing a blank on the number
one in in Cincinnati? Uh stop? Those are really modern names,
Corey Dylon.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Uh yeah, like the fact that I drafted him and
he became what he became, his rookie because remember the
old saying was you would wait a while on a
wide receiver, maybe even a whole year before they really
kind of came into their own. That's not the case
in today's NFL. And so I dragged him accordingly, and
he single handedly won me the championship against Matt Thomas

(48:12):
that year with like fifty points in that week's game.
I drafted Cam Skataboo, and I didn't do it like
as a throwaway. I did it because I watched that
Arizona State game against Texas and I saw what he
is capable of doing in a big game situation and thought,
I'm gonna stash this guy. And see, I don't think
Cam Skataboo is gonna be like you know, RB two
on everybody's roster next year, but he could.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
Yeah, I fell into what NBA and flgms fell into.
They didn't look at enough of the game tape or
didn't didn't give it enough of a credit and instead
looked at the other things, the non football game, like
we have so much tape. Well, we got to make
sure he measures out to this. We got to make
sure he can do that. And how fast can you
do this? What about the shuttle that I mean? Watch

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him play football? You watched him play football, and you
got your answer to good football play and I watched
him play football too, and I still was reluctant to
acknowledge that that is the answer. And I know I'm
not just like you. I'm not forecasting this unbelievable career.
But there's a there was a question on Draft Night
one and two, before he went on Draft Night three,

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can he play in the NFL NFL? And that simple
question should not need to be asked after watching what
he did. The players are bigger, stronger, faster in the NFL.
No way's going to be able to do that. I mean,
he's not changed a thing about the way he plays
the exact same things.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
He's short, yeah, but so is so he's.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
San He's smaller than everybody on the other side, other
than the core, other than the DB's and some running
backs are like Derrick Henry. Again he's on the other
end monster. Well, he said he's a bowling ball. It's
and it's five to nine with tree trunks for legs.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
And I know what.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
He didn't go late in the draft, but there were
similar questions about what would he be in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I do need to clarify part of why I said
that about you know not only you know what do
you like. You were saying what do you like about
the Giants, and I said Cam Scataboo, And I should
have said their defense too. But this is a perfect
storm prediction that I made on this game last night,
because the Eagles have not locked. I just talked about
it yesterday. They are four and one going into this game.

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They have not looked particularly good in a lot of
those games. I mean, they came back on the Rams,
but like they were the Chiefs of last year, they've
got this record that is not what it says they
are right, and I it was a perfect storm for
the Giants to have this upset.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
It wasn't, though.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
The Giants came off of disaster ball, a five turnover
game and lost to the Saints. Why would I have
faith in the Giants now?

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I couldn't. That's why I didn't any faith in the
Eagles as well.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Yeah, and Scataboo had a particularly effective game against KC
a couple of weeks ago, in a particularly effective game
against the Dolphin, or against the Eagles last night, quite obviously,
but most of his work is out of excess work.
He has a twenty five carry game this year. I
still don't think any other running back in the league
has more than that in any game. Heavy use is
what he's delivered to the Giants of this year. Great

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for fantasy, but yesterday was more about especially late in
the game. Like I said, his last five carries he
got forty four yards on put the game away, won
the game, ended the game. His first fourteen carries the
average less than four yards of Cary Now I still
found the end zone. I think people might have thought
he'd be good there. Shorter yardage plays tough yards to get,

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and he has been. But the eight and ten and
twelve and fifteen and twenty yard runs he actually put
together late in that game. They're also getting an extra
boost from their quarterback in the ground game three consecutive
fifty yard rushing games. Two other active quarterbacks have done that,
Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts, and now Jackson dart Well.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
I'm glad you brought him up because that wasn't the
only thing to come out of last night's game. And
I think it's interesting moving forward, especially with the Texans.
If you still don't have faith in their offensive line,
you think CJ might be in danger of being concussed.
The whole concussion tent protocol thing is very much a
discussion of the topic today, not only because of what
happened last night, but because well ownership has come out

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and made a statement about the coach and how he
conducted himself.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
So we'll get into that next.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Eighteen fours SOX seven ninety Space City Home Networks Friday
edition of the show wexay C Josh C with you
heading into a weekend that'll have the Red River Shootout
that we'll have week six in the NFL continuing after
the Giants got that thirty four to seventeen win at
home over the defending champs last night, and will include

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absolutely no Texans football whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Just got to get through it and then they'll be
back at it again. But you'll have to wait as
long as possible for the next Texans game. The late
Monday night slate the following week is when the Texans
will be taking on the Seattle Seahawks in the Great Northwest.
But mentioned that last night's game had a little bit
of controversy. You mentioned Jackson Dart going into the break

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and who was it that had fifty What was the
what was the carry number you gave us? That was
Lamar Jackson him? And who was the third Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 (53:31):
That's right, free straight games to open up your starting
career with fifty yards rushing or more.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Which doesn't I mean, that's I don't want to say
it's not a surprise because he's a rookie, huge aproach
his game.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
I mean, oh well, I mean this is the best
game he's played by far, passing the ball and running
the football style of game. I'm not sure anybody knew
what style his NFL game would actually be. And that's
why I think it was such a surprise for him
to be drafted where he was drafted because of all
the question marks. Yeah, there were a hand full of
analysts that said this, I think this guy is the

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best quarterback prospect in the draft overall period, and then
there were more that thought otherwise. But i'd certainly in
their situation somewhat like the Browns situation. What are you
doing with these veteran quarterbacks on the field. I don't
believe for a second their careers are going to be

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stunted in any way by putting them on the field.
In his case, he's not in harm's way because their
offensive line is more than capable.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
They have good tackles. He should have been the starter
from day one. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
I mean putting Russell Wilson on the field ensures one thing,
and it absolutely happened. You are not going to win.
And they lost every game he played. But yeah, technically
that won a game he's played because he had to
come into last night's game.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
For the reason we're talking yesterday, you were saying, why
in the Bengals just go get him? Then if they
want to get a quarterback that's old because he's you Still,
it's the same reason I got Joe Flacco. They think
he's better than who they have At some point. The
Browns stink, the Giants stink, that's the difference. The Bengals
don't stink. They only stink now because they don't have
a quarterback. Those two teams are going nowhere. So you're

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kind of I'm talking about the football side of it.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
I don't work inside those buildings, so I can't have
the obvious conversation, why do we we don't want to win?
Why would we want to win? Great, let's go win
six games because we played the better quarterback. That's killing
us for the future.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
We can't do that. Don't tell the team, don't tell
a coach.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
It is crazy that at this point in his career,
Joe Flacco is going full Andre Johnson. I'm just gonna
play for every team in my division that I've played
in my career.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
He's stealing money or our teams continue to say, no, man,
can you take some? Would you like some of this?

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Geez that plays question had football consistently for every organization
he's been with, and I don't want to hear from
anybody about Yeah, but they were winning games when he
was Cleveland. He was not playing good football there. I
was screaming it then, just like I'll tell you now.
And then clearly what happened after his great year of
winning the majority big majority of his starts in Cleveland
and took the team to the playoffs and brought him

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here to Houston, and then what happened, Oh, he played
like Joe Flacco so badly they had no chance to
win that playoff three picks. He's just a bad quarterback,
That's all there is to it. And it's so bad.
In Sinsey, they believe they improved the position. It's quite
obvious in New York how much they improved the position
by putting Russell Wilson on the bench and putting Jackson

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Dart on the field.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Which brings us back to what I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
The NFL initiating a review on the application of the
concussion protocol used on Jackson Dart during the second half
of last night's game, the league announcing today the review
will be conducted jointly with the NFL Players Association under
the party's collective Bargaining Agreement. Coach Brian Daball and the

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Giants could face discipline depending on the findings. And that's
because after Dark grabbed his head on the ground after
taking a hit. This was in the third quarter, he
was taken to the tent, you know, the blue medical
tent we all see now on every sideline and evaluated
or to be evaluated for a concussion.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Day.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Ball approached the tent and poked in his head, and
camp Scataboo also went into the tent. Now, that doesn't
seem in and of itself to be that controversial, considering
maybe they're just checking on the guy. But when's the
last time you saw a head coach and a running

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back for that matter, follow a player into the tent.
I don't think I've ever seen that.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
I'll tell you something in my opinion of that is
a little bit different. I think the player and the
coach are also different. I think a player poking his
head in there, it shouldn't happen. But it's also not
the end of the world, especially for a different injuries,
because it's too big to blanket. A guy goes into
the tent after some sort of other injury. Players go
in there all the time. If people who don't know
the other teammate check on their guy, yeah, to see
how they're doing. And then this situation, there was no

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seeing how they were doing. Everybody knew why he was
coming off the field, and correctly was being told to
come off the field.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
The actually jogged off the field.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
But I don't think Cam Skataboo or any of the
other fifty one giants in uniform last night are the
same as the head coach. Head coach doesn't belong in there.
He knows it, the team knows it. The ASA costlic
of interest, you don't belong there. That's why they put
this concussion protocol in place to prevent things like this.
I mean, what if they're doing it on the bench.
All right, Well, coach just gonna walk over and say,
I don't really care what you guys think. I need

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him to win this game, So go ahead and clear him,
and he's gonna be back out there. Give him some
smelling sauce he doesn't belong. Well, now, if the team
gives him the smelling salts, they're in violation of the rules.
If he pulls it out of his own shorts or
pockets or where his knee pads are, it's totally fine,
which we hardly ever got into how outrageous this is. Like,

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hey man, we really frown on you guys doing this.
I'd like to invite you to the party. I cannot.
I cannot let you in here. I can't provide the
alcohol for you. But if you want to bring your
own go ahead, you can do it all you want.
I don't care what age you are to care what
you doing. That's basically what this is. It's to bring
your own party. If you bring your own smelling salts,
use them all you want. We just can't provide them
for you. It's crazy, But in this situation, he does

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not belong there. It's the whole reason they put this
in place, to try to prevent what they knew was
already happening. It happened with Tua, and it had happened
with others before that, Long before these protocols, the players
were getting back on the field when they did not
belong back on the field, and so in an effort
to prevent that, these have been put in place. He
doesn't belong there, and they know it. You mentioned that

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the league obviously has announced that they're making this happen.
Giants have put out a statement. Before we read that statement,
Brian Dabole did obviously address it. He was asked about
it last night after the game and kind of explained
why he did what he did and even then knew
he was wrong.

Speaker 13 (59:43):
Have you ever been on an NFL sideline. There's a
lot of emotions. I know, I was asked about gloves.

Speaker 7 (59:47):
The other day.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
There's a lot of emotions, and I certainly am an
emotional guy. I apologized directly to our team physician. I
just wanted to out there if he was okay, but
I wanted to like we were getting ready to go
for it on potential for down I would have burned
a time out if he could have came out there.
So I was asking, how long is it gonna take again?
You want your guy out there, not at risk of

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anything else. But you know, he came out and I
think he's gonna be good. I'm like, he's gonna be
good or not. I'm gonna call time out on four
down and go for the summer, Okay, know what I mean.
So I love our doctors. Pat, I'm sure you're gonna
ask me about that, so I'll just give you the answer.
I apologize I was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
In the wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
The majority of what he's apologizing for has nothing to
do with the protocol break of the tent, but has
everything to do with what they saw. Everybody saw on
video because they captured it on the sidelines. The independent
doctor was being yelled at by the head coach, and
he's describing what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
No, he was talking in an anime fashion. Wex because
that's how it's here, Doctor Scott Rodeo, Rodeo, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
Everything about what he said is exactly what we saw.
He's like, come on, man, give me the information. I
want to back out there. But it could also be
construed as you're in the way of us winning. Get
out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
But listen to how absurd his quote is there. I
was trying to figure out if I needed to call
a time out and potentially go for on fourth down,
meaning can you get this concussion protocol on the ball
here so we can hurry up?

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
But look at what the guy had already said to him.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
I think he's gonna be gonna be fine, Like I
think he's gonna be cleared like, so he reacted.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Like, what do you mean you think?

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
Or when is he gonna be does he need his helmet?
Is there thirty seconds more of evaluation to come? Or
are you saying he's gonna go have to go back
to the locker room. He didn't have enough information to
process it that quickly, because a timeout buys you ninety
more seconds, two more minutes, which is realistic to players
can clear the protocol without going back underneath.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I'm amazed by that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
But they can obviously either they clearly haven't had one,
and hopefully that's I mean, I don't want to hear
about it today or tomorrow that he's having symptoms, but
that's always a possibility.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Ultimately, we all know.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
He ended up back on the field, and as I mentioned,
the Giants did release their own statement, and I think
they know what's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
What's coming is John Marr, the one that's battling cancer
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
He got the game ball from day Ball after the game.
That was that was pretty nice. Yeah, well, his statement
was released today.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
As you mentioned, I spoke to coach day Ball this
morning about approaching the medical tent last night. While I
firmly believe as he has stated that he was not
trying to influence the process in any way, he understands
that the appearance of going to the tent is inappropriate.
We have protocols in plays as a league to ensure
player safety, and we need to allow our medical staff
to execute those protocols without interference. We understand the situation

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is under reviewed by the NFL and the NFLPA, and
obviously we will cooperate fully.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I'm getting a hundred thousand dollars fine something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
They have to find them, they can't do this, and
they have to send some sort of messages saying we
don't want to see this again from any team.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
So they did it. They're getting fined, don't you guys,
go start doing this. You are right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I'd never really thought about the difference between a coach
and a player going into that tent. But doesn't the
coach have more better things to work about? As crass
as that sound.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Seriously, why didn't Brian Dabole just keep watching the Russell
Wilson led offense. I mean, that's gotta be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Everybody else had averted their eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
The eight on Sports Talk seven ninety's Score.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Talk seven ninety and Space City Home Network.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
The uh.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
The baseball seasons winding down, We've already had one delight
as Astros fans who are not watching their team participate
in seeing the Yankees season come to an abrupt and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Jarring end.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Really interesting to see the fallout from that, like somebody
has to be fired now, right. We say this every offseason.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
The discussion will go on and it'll pick right back
where it leaves every season, because the same thing happens
every year. They keep getting eliminated, usually long before they
think they should be. They obviously have been to the
World Series, so maybe not in that case, But who
is it. There's two people that are in the firing
line every year. It's Aaron Boone and it's Brian Cashman.
There were people outside the organization talking about how poorly

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constructed the roster is and not in the same way.
We've kind of discussed the same thing. There's a lot
of people battling on the interwebs right now about how
to put a team together and how to win in
the playoffs, and that series is their focal point. Hey man,
look at the Blue Jays. They don't strike out, and
that's what the Yankees should try to do. They do
strike out all the time. Look what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
They lost.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
And then someone will say, yeah, but the team that
hits more home runs in these postseason series wins seventy
percent of the time. And the Yankees are built to
hit homers, so we want them to not build them
that way. And the answer is, actually, yes, it's okay
to hit homers. It's okay to have home run hitters,
but you can't have the home run hitters that the
Yankees have, and the Kyle Schwarber type of home run hitters.

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They just don't get any other hits and they strike
out all the time. And that's what the Yankees have
put together on their roster. So when you don't hit
home runs, and you continue to strike out all the time,
you lose, And to me, it's one of the biggest
reasons why they lose. I don't know who to blame, ever,
it always seems like the manager to blame for their defense.
And I don't think the play made by not made

(01:05:20):
by Jazz Chisholm was so awful. A very good second
baseman defensively probably does make that play. Wasn't as easy
as everybody thinks. Balls hit very hard, the umpire was
actually kind of in a tough spot for the fielder
to see the ball all the way into his glove,
but he booted it and it ends up turning into
an inning that helps to end their season. And then
you can add in last year's issues in the field

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that helped to end their season, not only the play
that wasn't made by Garrett Cole because he didn't cover
the play that clearly wasn't made by Aaron Judge, and
just overall this bad defensive team, especially bad on the infield,
where they've had players playing out of position pretty much
all year, except for shortstop, where they're in position.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Shortstop is a total disaster.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Most errors in baseball over the three years he's been
their starting shortstop and nothing has changed. He's also terrible offensively.
Maybe they'll recognize that though three consecutive bad offensive seasons,
while he's had the most errors at his position at shortstop,
why would you keep playing it? But we'll see. So
is it Aaron Boon's fault that they played bad defensively?

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That they run the bases poorly? They got a lot
faster this year, so it took away some of their issues,
But fundamentally we know how many outs they have had
on the bases over the past handful of years, just awful,
way too many. Like you're making it harder to win
no matter how talented your roster. Is it hitting the
baseball and you know, throwing the baseball from a pitching standpoint,
because you just don't play baseball very well? Again, is

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that Cashman's acquisitions? Is he adding the players that make
it that way? Or is it Boone and his coaching
staff that don't either have accountability or know what to
do with players for six weeks in spring training to
assist them, or just their whole philosophy on where to
place players. There's definitely blame to go around on that front.
You watch a series and you couldn't possibly say, Man,
if Aaron Boone wasn't managing this series, we win. What's

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he supposed to do when Brian Cashman's multi million dollars
starting pitchers can't do what they're supposed to. The only
pitcher that started for them in this series that crushed
it was the kid who makes no money. Not Carlos Rdan. Obviously,
Garrett Cole is hurt, not Max Freed. Like, what's these
their eer they gave?

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
They picked.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
They pitched for thirty four innings in this series. Guess
how many runs they gave up? Thirty four?

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
I mean, what do you want the manager to do?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Geez?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
I realized they got tattooed by the Blue Jays. I
didn't know it was the era was eight forty seven
because two of the runs were unearned. But thirty four
runs and thirty four innings, one is that's not great?

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
It's awesome, they said, playing from behind every night and
giving up runs in the early innings every night like
in this particular series. Obviously they came back to win
the series prior they were down one nothing and won
the next two games. It's hard to call that a comeback,
But in this day and age, it is well.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
I'm sure if it I've been in seven games series,
Yankees definitely would have come back in this thing.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
They are seeing one constant though, So if you want
to see it again, don't make changes again because it's
gonna happen again. They think it's flucish, they think it's
an aberration. Every single time it keeps happening over and
over and over again. You should be pushing past that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
I personally don't know this definite. Here's who's to blame.
I've tried to come up with a concrete answer for
eight years. But if it were me and I had
to make a decision on what to do, I would
probably do both. Make a clean break Organizationally, Aaron Boone
would be interviewed for all six open jobs, and he

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gotta have his pick of those.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
He could take a year off.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
He'll be back managing again if he wants to be
guaranteed he is a good manager. I don't think everything's
gone his way. I think he's made some mistakes. He's
like everybody else who's had good teams in baseball that
have come up short and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
You know what about him specifically, he's probably one of
the best guys to deal with, whether you're media, whether
you're an organization. Like there's a reason Blums buddies with him.
He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. I
take no pleasure in killing the guy. But he managed
the wrong team.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
That's on him. You know, he thought it was kind
of windy at then minute made party.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
That was bad.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
I'm I'm not gonna give him pass on that. But
he's handled being the manager in New York pretty darn well. Yeah,
I mean as well as he Honestly, he's handled it
better than Joe Girardi did well before and after the gig.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
I wonder if Aaron Boonell he'll definitely find his way
into broadcasting again, which he already clearly would be exceptional
at and has done before. But I'd love to see
him up up in the MLB network Field studio so
he can go through the machinations of how they stole
signs the way Joe Girardi did and caught himself while
he was telling on himself, and then you relay the
sign that they got up really the second basement and

(01:09:57):
uh oh, I can't believe I just told everybody how
he cheated.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
But don't worry.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Every time you lost to the Astros, all of them
Yankees fans, it was because the Astros.

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Are cheating yourself whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
Probably could also like it's I remember reading something early
in this series about you know their roster and you
know they they're pitching staff is among the best.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
I'm like, well, of course, how can it not be.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
You're allowed to spend the most amount of money, You're
asked to spend the most amount of money, and there's
no reason not to sign Redon. There's no reason not
to sign Free, There's no reason not to go out
and get Carret Cole. You're spending more money. They all
took the best deal that they were offered, and you
were the team that offered it to them. I don't
know if that's great GMing or you just have the
owner that's always and obviously the mountains of revenue that

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no other team really has to go out and do that.
I didn't think their moves that the deadline were bad.

Speaker 8 (01:10:46):
They did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
They were very Astros.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Like one of the pitchers they added to their bullpend
basically never pitched because it was so bad when he
got there, they sent under the miners. He never came back.
Devall was not nearly what they thought he would be,
but became the closer. I remember sitting here the day
they added all three of them, and I said, they
have the best bullpen in the American League.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Now, I really thought that's what they did. Tell they
didn't and then these guys just didn't pitch that way.
And you know it's funny. I don't know, like what
if he were to be fired tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
He's been there since what nineteen ninety five, He had
hair when he started, and I can relate, like, I
don't know. I think every team would go try and
grab him. I don't know that he would want to.
When you've been in the meat grinder, if that particular
organization for that long, maybe decompressed for a year.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Yeah, And I think that's a very possible scenario. We're
speaking like they've made some kind of decision. I think
that's what I would do. I take it back, it's
not a meat grinder, it's a blender. What I think
they will do is run them both back. I really
do think they will keep them good. Hope the Astros
get healthy. And take advantage like everybody else again looking
forward to that. I love Cashman and Aaron Boone in

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charge of the Yankees in my life.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
I think everybody else does too. There is someone that
is pulling a Bregman for the Yankees. We'll explain that next.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Do you big Miles Sanders fan hope not.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Not really successful running back for quite some time now,
so well.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
He'll continue to not be successful now that he's out
for the season.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
Yeah, amazing that he was back on the field with
I understand why he went where he went and why
they went after him in the way that they did,
but there was really no role for him anymore anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Yeah, I just saw that in the last half hour,
that news coming down. But you're right, it's been and honestly,
I think would it be a fair statement to say
that despite everything that's happened with Micah Parsons and all
that kind of stuff, that the offense is out formed

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where we thought it would be.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
For the Cowboys, I mean, I knew they would be successful.
Just depends on who you were and what you thought
they might be.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Nobody's gonna say, yeah, I figured they'd score thirty seven
points three times in five weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
I didn't think that either, But they're better than I
thought they'd be overall.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Well, yeah, I say, okay, so first five weeks Eagles, Giants, Bears, Packers, Jets.
How many of those games should they win? Say it again, Eagles, Giants, Bears, Packers, Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
Three.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Okay, Well, then they're worse. They've only won two. I
was going to try to say, yes, they should have
had two wins. Beat the Russell Wilson led Giants and
beat the winless Jets. Those are their two wins. That's
exactly what they should be now, getting beyond their record
and talking about what they've actually done on the football field,
this was obvious, at least to me. They were gonna
have to throw the ball a ton, and they were

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gonna have to be offense, offense offense. As much as
it's awesome to throw up thirty seven points three times,
thirty seven once and forty twice, they've given up thirty
one or more three times.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
That was also expected.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
They were gonna have to score if they were gonna win,
and they have so they've been able to win. But
they tied the Packers, and they probably should have beaten
the Eagles. I know they didn't. I know that's their record,
but if you watch those games, I don't know why.
It's just kind of a fluke.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
I've watched an inordinate amount of Cowboys games early on
this year because mainly because it was a national schedule
in a lot of those situations. But I just I
thought that was anybody's game against the Packers, which I
didn't see coming because I just thought the Packers defense
would be better than it was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Nobody played defense in that game.

Speaker 8 (01:14:37):
It was eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
And ten extra minutes, Okay, so it was thirty seven
and all going into it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
I believe here are two things that we didn't expect,
didn't forecast. Javonte Williams arguably the best signing in the
offseason almost anywhere, and certainly among running backs. He's been insane, unbelievable,
best season of his career. Never expected this, not after
the way he'd been playing, and I know injury had
a little bit to do with it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
Now he's far enough past it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
That's why I'm saying with Miles Sanders, who didn't play
last week, the guy had twenty carries in five weeks
because Davonte Williams has earned essentially every carry they have
had that was not expected. Obviously, that made him a
whole heck of a lot better Dak Prescott. I expected
him to throw the ball a ton and be successful
a ton. I would never have expected it without Ceede

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Lamb being on the field, and they've managed now. Last week,
he had a little bit less from an overall number standpoint,
because they were beating the Bejesus out of the Jets,
so he had four touchdowns. He only threw for true
on thirty seven yards. He only threw twenty nine passes
because he didn't have to. His attempt totals the first
four weeks of the season thirty four, fifty two, forty forty.

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I hope everybody knew that was coming. But they've now
played three consecutive games without Ceedee Lamb having a catch,
two of which he hasn't played in, and they can
continue to have a very successful offense. It's a credit
believe it or not, things pickup well. It's a credit
to their entire staff of personnel people. Pickens had two
catches last week. First game without CD. He was huge,

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you know, one hundred and thirty four yards and two
touchdowns in the game against Green Bay. But Ferguson's a
very very, very very capable tight end and fantasy football
he's unbelievable because.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
They target him every other play.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
One hundred and fourteen yards from FLORINOI and I know
I butchered his name, and I apologize. I was trying
to remember it from last week. Tolbert's been good. They've
now had to play without Turpin and are going to
have to again. You can't make it all work if
you don't actually have good players on your fifty three
or sixty or sixty nine man roster, and they have.
It's hard to believe, but they're their personnel department, and

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they're the depth of that position specifically. Even though there's
other areas where they weren't very good, it's been outstanding
and it's allowed them to keep pace offensively.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
In any game they want.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Overall, two two and one, not sure what the expectations
might have been for them, but being hovering around five hundred,
that's probably where I had them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Are they going to finish eight and nine? Are they
going to finish nine and eight? Is a seven win team?
Is it a ten win team.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
That's where they're headed. That's about what I thought they
would be, not a laughing stock by any means.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Can't wait till there's an eighteen season game schedule, so
or eighteen game season schedule so we can get back
to actual five hundred teams again, those are the best.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I'm sure at that point in time someone will
want to rehire Jeff Fisher for that sole purpose of knowing, well,
we got nine to nine in the bank. Or Bill O'Brien,
you can tell you that it's not the bar. He
knows that the league, the league will still have parody
and that that has continued the bar. Would that be
the case he is now not coaching in a league
that has parody and it is showing well, so is

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checked friends.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
I think he's so Boston College that it may be
a little bit difficult for them to consider moving on.
And I for the other area, it's just like we
talked about with coach Gundhy and Bill Belichick. If you're
managing to keep the nil money coming in, if the
Boosters are happy with where they think things are going,
you might be able to might be able to survive

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not winning. But that's what's going to happen at the
end of this year. I'm not sure what the final
number is gonna end up being. You got a twelve
game season heading into bowl season if they even get there.
Boston College is not gonna win very many games this year.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
That's rell sad. Feel bad for him.

Speaker 6 (01:18:29):
They're zero to three in conference, they are one and
four overall. It could be a three or four win
season for Bill.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Yeah, it's good. I love it. I don't love it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
I'm just saying I love that for him. It'll be tough.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Back to what we were talking about last segment with
the Yankees. As we continue the tour of T shirt
fan bases around major sports, we'll get to the Yankees
or we'll get to the Lakers next segment.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
I'm sure no.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
But Cody Bellager, who actually ironically find himself opting out
out of his Yankees deal because he arrived there via
a trade from the Cubs so that they could dump
salary after they got Kyle Tuckers, he has the six
degrees of separation comes into play. He's gonna go full

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Alex Bregman and opt out of his twenty five million
dollar player option for next year.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
He is thirty and honestly had a really good year
hitting behind Aaron Judge.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
Two seventy two, twenty nine homers, eight thirteen ops and
one hundred and fifty two games.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
That's solid.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
He had a really good year one hundred and twenty
five ops plus and unfortunately, like most of Aaron Judge's teammates,
they were bad offensively in the playoffs. He didn't strike
out all the time like he used to do in
the playoffs, but he just didn't do anything. He had
six hits in seven games. He went six for twenty eight,
He had two fourteen, His ops was six fifty. That's
that's why they lost. He's not him, but too many

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of his teammates did that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
He strikes me as as an average postseason player, not bad,
not great.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
Well, if I just described this season's postseason numbers as
bad two fourteen, six fifty, well his career numbers are
two eleven six sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
He's a bad postseason player, all right, I take that back.
He's a bad postseason.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
He's had one pretty good postseason, an okay postseason another year,
and then the other six trips he's made bad so.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
You're talking about twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, the two
that were not bad. That was okay.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
In twenty seventeen he hit seven seventy when they won
the World Series in the COVID season, and then the
year after he had a nine zero six ops and
twelve games. That's his outstanding postseason those two.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
I wonder what happened those years different from the other years.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
I mean, I don't remember what he actually did as
a regular season player. Twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen and
twenty nineteen, Holy cow, this guy's unbelievable. And then he
had a five forty two ops and then the Dodger's like,
oh my, we can't we can't even put this guy
in the lineup.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Defade him, he can't play. It was awesome. Then he
resurrected his career. I don't know how he did that.
We ran, yeah, exactly, well, he ran his mouth probably
clock probably turned from four nineteen. Would you take him?
He's not coming here, I'm saying it. Would you just
all all things aside? Would you take him on the astros?
I mean, sure I would take him, but it's moot.

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He's not going to be signed by the Astros. It's
like a cal's opinion. It's move, that's move.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
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Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named at him talking your team,
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the eighteen.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
You know, there are situations in life where between the
two of us, Lex is absolutely the nicer one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Oh that's one of them, right there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:05):
Confrontations are are good up to a certain point. There's
no The good ending is can this just end? Not
did I win? Or did I prove my point? Or
was I right all along? All of which might be true.
I'd rather just all right, it's we're gonna end this now.

Speaker 8 (01:22:21):
You tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
It's not about winning or even proving. It's just my principles,
my principles. It's like, why are you being difficult for
no reason? And I don't want to let you do that?

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
Like which one of these two hundred and seventy five
empty spots would you like me to park in other
than the one I'm in?

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Or should I park somewhere else? Well, just say that
there are some professional problems where you just don't need
to take yourself that seriously, all right? So we got
a couple hours here with you actually got so mad
hearing that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
Well, we we've spent all this time talking about baseball
in the past.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Tense.

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
Yeah, the Philly season is over, the Yankee season is over.
What changes do they make? Spend a lot of time
yesterday talking about the changes the Astros have already decided
to make with their coaches on the bench. No longer
coming back, Jeremiah Randall not coming back, both getting coaches
Michael Collins, Andrew Ball and assistant GM and Jeremiah Randall,
the five coaches yesterday we told you would not be back.

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The Astros even unofficially officially announced their departures with a
social media message thanking all of them, because four of
those the non front office personnel, the Astros personnel, baseball personnel,
they'd all been with the team for almost a decade.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
I'll ask you a question about Jeremiah, do you think
as the injuries mounted up this year, not just the injuries,
but the types of injuries, and like in Jordan's case,
and then echoing back to Kyle Tucker's case, the not
finding it initially on the image, do you think all
of that you think he expected this at some point,

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maybe even like not that recently, but maybe a while back,
that this could happen.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Yes, because he's probably is astute as everybody else watching
the situation. But we have to as we did Yesterda
as Chandler did with us, and I'm sure Brian did
Brian mctagger joining the station earlier today on this very subject,
both of them breaking a different parts of those five
departures for the astros yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
It's it's not just him, and it's not just his department.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
They're moving on from the internal athletic performance staff, the
head of athletic, the head athletic trainer, and the multiple
people they have in the strength and performance department. They're
taking that group and they do their thing, and then
there's also doctor so and so and second opinion, doctor
so and so, and the group that they work with
for this and the people they refer to them to
get more of a specialist. Like you remember Dana Brown

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saying regarding Jordan, we were gonna have him see a specialist,
a hand specialist. Well the hand did he diagnose it incorrectly?

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Was he talking?

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
Should who's giving the go ahead on imaging Jeremiah or
one of the ASTROS doctors or someone with the medical
group that they work with, or the second. I mean,
there's so much more to it, especially with those two
injuries in particular, one year after the other, where clearly
it was just it wasn't diagnosed properly. And I'm not
saying it's fool proof. That happens, and for people that

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are listening to us, happens with them too, and that's very,
very unfortunate. It's just much more public when it happens.
Here was this swelling in the way. Did someone misread
an MRI? Did someone misread an X ray? We don't
really know the complete and total answer on any of
these things. We just know that things were done that
probably should not have been done, more in Jordan's case,

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because Dana is acknowledged it now after the fact multiple times.
Of course, he shouldn't have been taking BP. He's got
a broken hand, and we didn't know it because we
didn't do we as a over, we didn't do the
proper we didn't do what we should have done ever
happened before. That's why people are fired. That's again it
should only be him that gets the blame. He will
if he's the only one that's let go.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
And for it to have happened the year after the
Kyle Tucker fiasco, because that's what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
It was a fiask And I.

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
Said it then and I still believe it now that
the the Yordon situation is different and to me, a billion,
a trillion times worse, way worse. Kyle Tucker didn't play
for the exact same period of time. He wouldn't have
played for no matter what they did wrong. He wasn't healthy,
he wasn't trying to play through it, he wasn't taking BP,
he wasn't running the bases because they knew he couldn't,

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and he told me he couldn't. And the imaging they
did over and over again told him they couldn't. They
just really didn't tell us what they had seen. They
told us there was a bruise, right. That was how
it was handled publicly, how it was handled internally. Again,
I don't think it was great, but it wasn't nearly
the fiasco to me that how they handled Yordon stuff
was Remember what you were saying when he first got
injured in the middle of May and June, and you

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were talking about, dude, he was hurt all along he had,
he was hurt all year and now we're all, of
course because we've seen what he happened. What he does
when he's healthy. Yep, he destroys baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
He murders them.

Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
Yes, and you know sometimes in baseball, probably as much
as any of the others.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
I know I'm hurt.

Speaker 6 (01:27:00):
I know something's not right, but i can play, So
I'm not gonna say anything. And I'm gonna go out
there and try to play and continue to play. And
in his case, he shouldn't have. And that's happened many
times before. But all these changes I'm talking about, all
these things we've talked about for these teams that their
off season has begun. There's a game tonight, and somebody's
off season is about to begin. Aj Hinch and the

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Tigers with Tark Schoobel on the mound, and there the
Seattle Mariners and George Kirby on the mound.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Their season ends tonight. Their name rhymes with Mariners. See
what I did there. That's the season that's going to
end tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Schoobles pitched well in his two starts this postseason, one
of them in this series, although to its conclusion, obviously
he was not out there as that game reached a
conclusion that was back on October fifth, seven innings, allowed
two runs, and I guess it was described by many
people as they got him off the hook because they

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scored two runs after he left the game, but they
didn't win.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
He started a game in the series.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
He's going to win the cy Young in the American League,
and they are zero to one when he starts in
this series against Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Doesn't mean they anything.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
That doesn't mean anything for tonight, but the idea that, Okay,
the best pitcher in the American League starts for us,
and he's been really good in both of his postseason
starts this year, it doesn't mean they're well, chalk it up,
Seattle has no chance.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
It doesn't mean that. It also and I mean a
lot of that's because of baseball, but it also to
me to kind of thwart that I just don't feel
like either one of these teams is going to beat
the Blue Jays in the seven game series.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
Blue Jays take with them the ability to start that
series at home. They have home field advantage, so an
additional game is in their favor. They're clearly playing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Very well at the Rogers Center.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
I just talked about the home field there and it
was just like I thought it would be when when
Vlad hit that Grand Slam. I mean, let's you say,
it's a good thing the roof was open. It was
awesome because it would have been flying into the Atlantic.
It's a great scene. It is loud there.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
It absolutely impacts I think the way that game is played,
and you can feed off of what happens. We've seen
it at Minute Made Park then and I'm hopeful at
Dike and Park here in the near future many many
times over. It absolutely plays a role and how those
games go and how you feel as a player during
those games. I totally agree. I think the pitching for
both of these teams has been really, really good. I

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think it could be good again against Toronto. But Toronto's pitching,
I know they give up nineteen runs in four games
to the Yankees. Seven of them came in one game.
They pitched well against the team I thought, with such
a left handed heavy group as the Yankees are, when
their best players are out there, I didn't really think
it was a great matchup for the right hander after
right hander after right hander after the right hander that

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the J's were going to throw, but then they pitched
like unbelievably well, and they're gonna be able to line
it up for this series that starts in a couple
of days.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
At this point, because the Phillies just completely crapped the bed,
I just I am not interested. I know this sucks
because it means that they make it to the World Series.
I am not interesting in any other matchup besides Toronto Dodgers.
I want that badly, and I want Toronto to win.
Let's go Canada, get it done.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Sunday game or Monday will have both of those series continuing.
The Dodgers have advanced. The Dodgers will see who their
opponent is. Cubs won yesterday. Kyle Tucker homer yesterday, so
he's back. They Cubs also didn't give up any runs
yesterday to tie that series out.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Who's pitching for the Brewers in Game five?

Speaker 6 (01:30:31):
I don't believe either team has announced officially who is
starting yet the game, not till tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:30:37):
That's probably a series I've watched the least amount, unlike
our producer, who hate watches our regular producer, not Josh
c Today, Josh, she doesn't give a crap about either
of those National League teams.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
Yesterday before the Game four started, I said, the Brewers
have Freddy Parlta, going kind of leading into what I
just said about school. He's the best pitcher in the series.
You had the best season of anybody that was available
for either team. He didn't pitch well. They lost. It
was as simple as that. And they didn't score. So
every run he gave up, and he gave up three
in the first was more than they could overcome.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
To me, because like we were just talking about it
last hour, with the Dodgers, I don't feel like they
I mean they they clearly won, but it's not like
they took it from the Phillies. If anything, the Phillies
were like here you go walking in one of the
runs and completely just disaster for the other run, the
winning run in extra innings. I mean, if you but

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if you're buying a championship on credit the way the
Dodgers have, I mean, let's get some more than two.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Well, they're they're on credit. Pitcher wasn't on the mound.
How's he done?

Speaker 7 (01:31:49):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
They were he would have pitched in Game five, and
I'd imagine they said, but I'm imagine that's the direction
they'll go.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
I do wonder how much longer that he's going to
do both. Why why would he sup if he's healthy,
he's going to do both in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
Because for whatever reason, even though nothing of the actual
statistics and track record tells you this, I feel like
at some point, the team's gonna want him to not
do one or the other.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
And I think they're gonna want him to not pitch.
Why would they want him not to pitch? Because they
want him to hit and they think he's more effective
as a hitter.

Speaker 6 (01:32:27):
He's been unbelievable as a hitter every year of his
Dodgers' career and every year of it, so it's not relevant.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
It's not related. One's not related to the other.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
And would you know, if, if anything, the team should
probably you would think they would think the opposite because
they're paying him as much money as they are in
twenty sixty whenever he starts actually collecting the money instead
of the paltry million dollars they're allowed to skate on
right now to circumvent the non salary cap.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
But yeah, I just I don't know why I feel
like they would do that to preserve him somehow.

Speaker 8 (01:32:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
Yeah, I mean it makes logical sense. But whether he's
been healthy enough to pitch.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Whether Miscount never wins another World Series again, because that
means the Dodgers don't, that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
Would be tough. We will see.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
They definitely are the favorite I think at this point,
even without home field advantage potentially against the the Brewers
should they win. Yeah, I would call them the favorite
out of the National League at this point, not necessarily
the favorite overall. Few other things to get to, but
I know you guys can't wait for these incredibly on
brand nails picks.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
We're gonna give you stone cold locks coming up in twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Minutes the A team on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Sports Socks seven nineties, Space City Home Network Friday edition
of the program. Texans with their bye week and they
will not play again as we mentioned until the late
wait on that Monday night game a week from this Monday,
they'll be in Seattle to take on the Seahawks. So
week six Texans free, but maybe a good time to

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take steak and where everything stands. Because ESPN did a
ranking on all eight divisions in the NFC and AFC
so far through five weeks in a game, and I
I look, nobody predicted what's going on in the AFC
South as far as who's at the top right now,

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that's for sure. I mean, even if you thought, Okay,
Trevor Lawrence and the Jags have a better seat, I
don't think anybody saw.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
We had multiple AFC South guests on throughout the off season.
And I opened our interview with the Titans guest when
it was the same day that their newspaper that he
works for, the Tennesseean, had put out their division predictions,
And even though it wasn't him, I said, how could
somebody your staff predict the Jaguars to win this division?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Explain that to me? I mean, that's how I feel.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
But think about it, though, even if you don't, if
you want to give them that all right, the Colts
brought in Daniel Jones, and Daniel Jones is supposed to
be the quarterback playing the best consistently for three or
five straight weeks right now in the division?

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
No way. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
Brought something up to speak about day Bowl and Daniel
Jones the other day, and I brought in Shane Stike
into that conversation. You're one of Brian Dabole and Daniel
Jones in New York. Was previously Daniel jones best season
as an NFL player, I remember it vaguely, and his
first season now with Shane Stike and another offensive coach

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another and I think of all the things we've noticed
about his time in Indianapolis, I think he has a
very good system. I think he calls a very good game,
and he would have been a very challenging coach to
battle for years. But luckily he's had terrible quarterbacks. They's
still almost They gave the Texans a run for their
money with Gardner Minshew. He's at Joe Flacco. He's obviously

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been the head coach while they've tried to develop Anthony Richardson.
But the best option they have now given him signed
for him to cultivate some play out of is Daniel Jones.
As much as it sounds odd to say he's better
than everybody I just mentioned, he's played better than everybody
I just mentioned in the most recent years that we're
talking about again, like the Cowboys, there's certain things and

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this is one of them.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
With Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
Would never have forecast this level of play. Almost no
mistakes from their offense. They're scoring on every possession into
Week three almost they're barely ever punting. It's been incredible.
And then you had the ad Mitchell mistake, which is
really the biggest reason why they have only the one loss.

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They would have very very easily could be five and zero.
And we're not talking about if a break had gone
their way. We're talking about finishing a touchdown run that
the defense had nothing to do with preventing. That's definitely
out there on its own, a unique category of if
this had gone their way type of play. But yeah,
I didn't see this coming. The Texans have an uphill battle.
There's two teams with two more wins than them. They

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only have two games left against one of them, so
they can catch and pass, so to speak. Indianapolis, if
they play even with the Colts and all these games
that they don't play each other and beat them twice, well,
they have the tiebreaker and they have the same record.
In the case of the Jaguars, they pretty much have
to beat them the next time they play them. If
you've got twelve games left and you're two games behind
them and you don't win, so now you're three games

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behind them and don't have the tiebreaker. You're not play
them by four wins in the other eleven games, You're
not no. And again, this is about this particular article.
Isn't about so much you know, where everybody stands in
the AFC South, although it does talk about that. It's
ranking the divisions, and that's where it's interesting to me,

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because there's eight divisions. Right Well, they've got the AFC
South ranked sixth, right behind the AFC North. And I'm sorry,
I know that Baltimore has a bunch of injuries. There's
still one in four and three of those four teams
in that division are absolute garbage right now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
And honestly, the Steelers being at the top of the division,
it's smoking mirrors probably. I mean this is coming from
the guy who said, all right, maybe Aaron Rodgers and
DK metcalf have something left in the tank, and they
have at times. But I just I don't know if
I would put the NFC North even there based on

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what's happened through five weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
We'll run through it all start at the top, not
their list, what would your list be?

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
Well, they've got the NFC North and I've got no
problems with that just because I think the Lions are
the best team in football right now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Perfectly fine statement to be said. I don't know if well,
I was trying to think if there was another team that.
I mean, the Rams have looked good, and they do
have the NFC NFC West number two. I mean I
would kind of look at it like this. You got
eight divisions. I'm gonna start with the easy stuff. We
have a division with two super Bowl contenders in it.
And if I do, unless the last place team is

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over and the second to last place team is very
close to the bottom like a one win team, that
team's that division is gonna be rated very highly. And
the NFC North is the first one that jumps out.
You think the Packers are a super Bowl team.

Speaker 7 (01:39:22):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
I'm amazed they're not three and one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
There's no way that what happened against the Cowboys should
have I mean, we wash it all on fold. I'm
not saying anything in particular from the game itself, but
they just have a better team and they didn't play
that way that day and it cost them. They should
be three and one. So yeah, I think those two
teams are super Bowl caliber. I think the Vikings are
playoff caliber, and they've done that with Carson Wentz for
most of the year, which is wow. So yeah, I

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think that's the best division in football. I don't think
the East has two super Bowl contenders until I see
a few more healthy games from Jayden Daniels. But if
that's the case, and the Giants maybe have found something
because they do have a defense, the Cowboys can keep
doing what they're doing offensively, scoring so many points, you've
got to respect that division. The NFC West, I still

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think the Rams are the best team in the division,
and at three and two they're only tied for second.
I'm not quite a believer in the Niners, but at
some point the wins keep piling up and you kind
of have to be.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
But I'd be a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
I'd be stumbling to pick who's next after number one.
Those two divisions aren't far from each other. The AFC
West's not far, but the Raiders definitely bring it down
and the Chargers, Broncos and Chiefs are all very not
quite the top tier. They're on playoff teams, which one
of them is a Super Bowl contender, I'll tell you
right now. Still, the Chiefs are still the best answer

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you can give. And they're two and three.

Speaker 5 (01:40:44):
They've got the AFC West third, and I certainly would
not have it there. And what they have next is
probably who I would have third, and that's the NFC East.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
And here's why.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
The Eagles, while they've not looked great in getting to
four and one going into tonight's or going into last
night's loss, there's still a defending champs. And I just
feel like they found ways to win games. I don't
really I kind of give an incomplete to the Commanders

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because Daniels hasn't been healthy all year long.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
But I just got done saying last hour.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
I think the Cowboys look better than they have or
than I thought they would even given their record and
all that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
And I don't know what to make of the Giants.
Last night shows you that, like they've got a defense
and they've got Camp's Kattaboy. Well how about their two
and one with their starting quarterback?

Speaker 8 (01:41:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
I like, but you take those things, those shaky descriptions.
Not really confident in any of these four teams I
just gave you. It's still better than all four teams
in the AFC West.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
One thing to note as we run through this because
we even haven't mentioned anything specific about the AFC South
since you mentioned where they fit in the rankings. You
know who has the third best point differential in the
NFL AFC as a individual team?

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
Oh? Is it the Colts? No, they're first. I don't know.
The Houston Texans. Oh, because their defense is awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:42:12):
Well, because they pointed team by thirty four points last week,
and they beat a team by twenty six points.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
The week before in a game in which they scored zero.

Speaker 6 (01:42:19):
They had no point, They had no wins and were
clearly in the negative. Three weeks into the season they
had three close loss. The Colts are first, the Texans
are third. Yeah, the Jaguars are eighth, and between them
they're ten and five. The top three teams in the
division are ten and five. All of them are in
the top eight in point different that's your sixth best division.

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It's lit early in the season, so the sample size.
The Texans have one huge blowout and clearly it pushes that.
Like like I said, think about the Texans are two
and three, and point differentials usually a pretty good indicator
of the quality of your football team, especially over a
longer sample size. The four and one lines are the
foreur and one Colts, the only teams in the higher

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league that have a better point differential than Tomiko's team.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Right, And this is why I badly I can't. I
hate that this is the bye week. I know they
need it. I know every team always needs their bye
week when it gets there. How else is just gonna
go see the Dodgers in person if without an off week?
Can we stop it? With his caps? I'm not talking
about his baseball cap, but he's gonna wear Dodgers game.
He's gonna wear one soon. I mean, I don't like to.

Speaker 6 (01:43:24):
I mean it does probably sound like I'm an ego
maniac because I'm on the radio and I pat myself
on the back and Ac on the back, and Cole
and Josh and everybody we work with on the back
all the time. But I would like to pat ourselves
on the back for not talking about that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Well because it's stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:43:40):
Because the people who don't understand the topic itself and
the reason for it, it's it's pointless to get into.
But I cannot believe some people they don't have anything
better to talk about, so they make it a thing,
you know why.

Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
Silly, but you know, the biggest reason it was made
into a thing because he lost those games.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
If they had won, nobody would care. I'm telling you
that's as simple as a gobody should ever care no
matter what has happened. It doesn't have anything to do
with winning or losing. I mean, I know we have
we have four hours to fill and we still manage
not to talk about that. Also, now we can talk
about it because he actually might play, but we haven't

(01:44:19):
so far. We're not going to talk about it next
and it is an NFL story. We are going to
talk about our stone called Locks next. Wait till you
get a load of what we think about the Red
River rivalry. That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
The eight on Sports Talk seven ninety. Remember that magic
eight ball A nice little shaken.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Look at this I'm getting late tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
You can trust whatever it said, or you could trust
these two guys named Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
It's a crap shoot either way. But these are your
stone Cold.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Locks. So good.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
Thank you Steven as always ginning us into our signature
segment on a Friday. Oh Stephen, hey's the best our
stone Cold Locks. We are into week seven. As we
head into week seven, we are very, very very hopeful
that the next thirty picks we will each make will
be a little bit better than the first thirty. We

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make fifteen selections each week, five for each of the
three of us here, it means fifteen times we could
be right, fifteen times we could be wrong. Like the
NFL's regular season, there's no midpoint of exact evenness. Either
we're gonna get more right than we don't or the opposite.
It's gonna be true. Week one, nine of our fifteen
selections came in right, all right. Stick with us all

(01:45:49):
year long as we get six, seven, five, eight, And
this past week five out of fifteen suck correct. So
not a particularly good week all the way around. A
brief look back at last week good news at the
very least college football game of the week. We've not
hit perfection on the good side yet, and we almost

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did this week, but with all three of us taking
different items, including some under some over that was not
going to happen. We got two of those three right
and that was about as good as we could look
anywhere else. Texans and Ravens blow by the over, with
the Texans taking care of that all by themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
A lot of games on the college front were.

Speaker 6 (01:46:29):
Very very close to being correct, and when two of
us had Texas A and M to win but not cover,
and that's exactly what should have happened. Same with Bama
winning but not covering over Vanderbilt, and then late that
didn't happen, turned into a very crappy week. Cole still
the best of the bunch, but only because he's right
half the time, which is pathetic. He's not pathetic, but

(01:46:51):
is overall pathetic. Try to make our way back up
the ladder to at least five hundred this week. As
you know, our college football game of the week is Texas,
so I'll play that tomorrow at two thirty. We'll have
it beginning at one thirty right here on Sports Talk
seven ninety Craig Way and the crew.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
We'll have that for you all afternoon long.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
A couple of other college football games will obviously also
come your way, as they normally do each weekend. LSU
will play over on a nine to fifty a little
bit later in the evening, and U of H obviously
gets the day started ten AM coverage over on nine
to fifty four their game against Oklahoma State, a little

(01:47:33):
bounce back game for them and a very nice team
to bounce back against this just in a team that
fired their coach is not having a good season.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
Oklahoma State is not having a good season.

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
So for our stone cold locks this week, I'll run
through Cole's selection he was nice enough to make before
he exited our program for the day. He, like everybody else,
sees Texas OU the same way, and nobody's baking your
prediction on the game. I'll make everybody make one at
some point, but we all think the game is going
over and I make that do anything ask request quite

(01:48:06):
nicely if you wouldn't mind, if you have a little
time on your hands before two twenty nine tomorrow, if
you could offer up that selection onto what you think
will actually happen. But playing the over there, get to
take Notre Dame to not cover against NC State, Georgia Tech,
and Virginia Tech to pedal up the scores well above
fifty four and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
Nope, he'll take the under on the Tech. Key's playing
the Tech ease.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
Shockingly, He's not making a play on Bamamazoo, one of
the better games this weekend, but he will take the
over at fifty one and a half and because three
of his games just mean more. He'll take Tennessee to
cover against another team who has fired their head coach,
the Arkansas Razorbacks and Robert Petrino. All right, no Texans

(01:48:50):
game this week, so just hit us with all five
of your picks. But you already know he's taking the
over in Texas ou because I told everybody that real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
You and I have both taken in the Chargers at Dolphins,
and I'm looking at the it's forty four and a half. Okay,
I'm gonna fix your pick then, because you have forty three.
I just want to make sure that I'm accurate. It's
only one point off, but just just to make sure,
I'll start with that one. Chargers at Dolphins. I just
feel like these defenses leave a lot to be desired,

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and that number at forty four and a half is
mighty tasty to take an over in a game that
features two quarterbacks that can still put up points.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
So I'll take the over there.

Speaker 7 (01:49:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
If the Dolphins can't keep Bryce Young from scoring twenty
seven points even when his offense has two turnovers that day,
then they stick. And the Dolphins defense, in my opinion, stinks.
Why is the number so low then, I think because
of the Chargers offensive issues, the running backs on ir
both of their tackles have are out and now are
both out for multiple weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
But justin Herbert's the greatest thing since sliced bread? So
can he overcome that?

Speaker 6 (01:49:58):
We watch the games, we're watching him not overcome that,
so we don't have to pretend that the season isn't happening.

Speaker 5 (01:50:03):
All right, Lions achieves fifty two and a half. That's
a nice round number. I still think it's too low,
so I'm taking the over on that. That's just strictly
based on the Lions being involved more than anything.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
But the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Maybe they'll have another back and forth up and down
the field, So I'll take the over there, as I
will with the forty nine Ers at the Bucks. Now,
this is an interesting one because Baker Mayfield is playing,
but none of his mandate or primary weapons will be
out there.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Bucky Irving, Evans, Irving, Evans, Godwin all to miss the game.

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
But he'll find a way, and they'll find a way.
Both these teams to eclipse the forty seven and a
half mark. And the Cowboys just put up points. So
when they take on the Panthers with their non defense.
I feel like both of those teams will find a
way to inch past the fifty mark forty nine and
a half.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
There, so I'm taking the over in that one as well.

Speaker 6 (01:51:00):
I know, just in case you were guys were wondering,
I'll do the quick mass out loud here as we
as we continue five games for you, all five you
picked the over. Last week was four out of five.
Week before that it was four out of five. Week
before that it was four out of five. Week before
that it was only three out of five, So you've
kind of the first three weeks. It really is based

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on the matshup though, but the last three weeks hammer
hammer the over with all of your players.

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
Just look Lions at Chiefs. Same with the Cowboys and
the reasoning I gave with the Chargers and Dolphins. The
only thing I'm kind of second guessing as I look
at is that forty nine Ers Bucks games, and that
has more to do with the fact that Baker's regulars
aren't there more than anything else. I still have faith
in him because I think he's the MVP of the league.

Speaker 6 (01:51:47):
The better of the two quarterbacks for the forty nine
Ers is expected to start, and that is Mac Jones.
I'm not saying he's better than him. Overall, he puts
up points, he's had a better season, he has played
better quarterback. They've been better offensively with him. Probably getting
Juwan Jennings back, not sure yet on Ricky pearsall. And
I know Mac Jones is starting, but he's been hurt
and try to get through some things.

Speaker 5 (01:52:08):
Any of these other three games, besides Lions, Chiefs had
a five in front of the number.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
I might be second guessing, but I just think you
put a fore in front of me. I'm a degenerate.

Speaker 6 (01:52:18):
If you have some things that have been trending, I do. Also,
this marks the third consecutive week I have played the
underdog or I've played the road team. I should say
to cover in all three games. Non Texans do it
again this week. Take Georgia to cover at Auburn three
and a half. Take Arizona State to cover at Utah.

(01:52:39):
They're getting seven and a half points. They are the
dog there, Lions two and a half. The Chiefs to
beat the Lions or else they fall to two and four.
I'll take the Lions to cover that. And like you said,
earlier Chargers Dolphins on the over so game of the
week this week, Texas ou we've all taken the over.
We still have time here and likely we'll wait until
we get more into hell on the matchup. Just after

(01:53:01):
five fifteen, Cedric Golden of the Austin American Statesman, covering
the Longhorns for decades. He will join the program, So
in the final two segments of the show, that's when
you'll hear who we think will actually win and why
the Red River shootout.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
As I promised, I would say thank you, thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
The eight on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 6 (01:53:35):
Hey, let your pick one one commercial in very better
feel awful, but I wanted it to reconsider some of them.
But the last couple of weeks I've put even more
time into it and research and everything else that I'd
always like to do. And I mean, the trend that
I'm following is stupid. It's it's a bad way to play,
and I'm trying to bucket that's dumb. But we'll see

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how it plays out.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Wow, you sound really confident about the picks you made.
That's great for you.

Speaker 5 (01:54:01):
I hope you missed on all of them. But the
problem is two of ours are the same. So if
you miss I missed. I don't like that very much.
I feel like every day we come in here, we
have gotten a new wrinkle in the and now. It
might not be fascinating to WEX, but it's definitely fascinating
to me. This saga that is Bill Belichick's disastrous coaching

(01:54:25):
campaign at North Carolina. Every day I crack open the
internet and I feel like I'm seeing something insane that
I haven't seen before.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
This time.

Speaker 5 (01:54:37):
His running back just retired from football. He's like, I'm out.
I can't take this anymore. Jordan is watching practice too much.
Bill doesn't know what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
I'm out. This is an official statement. No, it's not
an official statement. Oh but he did retire from football. Oh,
he retired from football from he retired from his college
football career? Yeah? Uh where?

Speaker 7 (01:54:59):
What? Why?

Speaker 5 (01:55:01):
Because he's tired of playing for a tumultuous Bill Belichick season.

Speaker 6 (01:55:09):
I really don't know anything about this, Like, what, what's
the impetus behind this? Has he had a bunch of injuries?
Is he concussion issues?

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
Is what he's got? Freshman something?

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
It's been the primary ball carrier all season long and
he's been backed up by a trio of running backs.
The last member of that group talking about Caleb Hood
because there's it's him, Benjamin Hall and dave On Gauss.
The last member being Hood has been relegated to a

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backup role during the five seasons he's spent at North Carolina,
and he's racked up sixteen carries for forty four yards
in the four games this year, the Lion's share of
those stats coming when he got ten touches in the
season opener against TCU, and he only had a single
rush for minus two yards when UNC got demolished by

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Clemson last weekend. So on Friday today, he announced his
decision on Instagram, called it quits while thanking Belichick and
the other coaches he's worked with. This was the statement,
after much thought, prayer, and discussion with my family, I've
decided to retire from football. My journey at UNC has

(01:56:22):
been special and I appreciate my time here. I am
excited to start the next chapter and will always take
my memories of Carolina with me. I want to thank
Coach Belichick, Coach Kitchens, Coach Means for giving me an
opportunity as well as all my other coaches and teammates
throughout my years of football for the impact they've had
in my life.

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
Caleb came to me Wednesday and shared his difficult decision
to retire from playing football. I could feel his conviction
and the peace with his playing career closing. Caleb's a
great person, leader, an exemplary teammate. He's done everything we've
asked him to do as a student athlete, both on
and off the field, and he has been a model
representation of our program. He's battled through injuries the last

(01:57:03):
couple of years, worked hard this offseason to stay healthy
and compete every day this season. He will always be
a tar heel and I wish him nothing but the
best moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Bill Belichick, So it's an amicable divorce from football. I
don't know if there are still lingering medical issues. Obviously,
he has been battling injuries. He's been there for five seasons.

Speaker 6 (01:57:25):
He's at the back end of it roster wise, and
so there can be some clear mental like and I'm
just putting my body through everything and I can't get
on the field, and I feel like that the opportunity.
I really don't want to look too much into it.
But it is not every day that you see a retirement.
I don't know that it has to be tied to
the Bill Belichick run football program. It almost seems like

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it's obvious that it is because this is so unlikely
of a scenario, like why are you still playing football?

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
Because you love the game.

Speaker 6 (01:57:56):
I mean, people usually like Joe Flacco just today was
talking about why are you I was asked, why are
you still playing? You have a Super Bowl, you have money,
you have family, You've done everything you could do. Why
are you still out there? Because I want to make
sure I give the game everything I have. I don't
want to look back. And you know, people can retire
from their job and then they can just go back
and do it if they feel other way. I'm being

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on account for twenty five years. I'm gonna retire. Well,
some you want to go work again as an accountant,
go right ahead. Your your body's up for it. As
you sit behind the desk or work from home. You
weren't in fifty car crashes at your cubicle. This is
a your career is ending. You cannot play forever.

Speaker 8 (01:58:32):
It is over.

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
It sports are not forever.

Speaker 6 (01:58:35):
It will come to an end and normally for all
that you've put into it, and don't you don't make
the choice to make it end as prematurely from an
age standpoint as this would be.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
Maybe there's no NFL future.

Speaker 6 (01:58:46):
Okay, Well, you play out your college career like sixty
five of your teammates that aren't going to go to
the NFL. There's you know, each day the real gist
of the Belichick era, Well, there's another article written today
about this same thing we keep pointing to, and same
thing that keeps.

Speaker 4 (01:59:03):
Coming up, and this person.

Speaker 6 (01:59:04):
When I was able to talk to this person, and
this person and all these people associated with the program,
it's like the fourth or fifth piece that's been written,
and they all keep coming back to the same things.
The programs run very poorly. There's an unbelievable lack of communication.
There's a bit too much arrogance, and most of it
isn't even necessarily coming from Bill, It's coming from his.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
General manager, Michael Lombardi.

Speaker 6 (01:59:29):
He's already, you know, he's a couple months, not even
a full year, into working for a college football organization.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
Absolutely despised. Based on all accounts.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
This Athletic article you mentioned, there were several the one
that the athletic did had this following little passage that
I thought was insane. It was this, It was like
this weird revolving door of people in and out of meetings.
This is according to an ex staffer, immediately after Belichick
was high is when this was happening. They fired some

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gas and QCs and then they realized they didn't have
enough help and call a couple of them to come
back after having fired them. Like, I understand that organizationally,
it's different from an NFL team, and college is a

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much different game for a variety of reasons, having nothing
to do with football, the recruiting and now they're transfer
portal and you know, everything nil, everything that goes into
it's a very very different situation. But if you're getting
rid of people on a staff, shouldn't you maybe check
to see if you have enough.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
People to do the work that you're offloading.

Speaker 6 (02:00:44):
The reason why ervin Meyer did not last a full
season at Jacksonville's because he was clueless. He was in
over his head. He was on an ego trip, a
power trip, and he knew nothing about the job that
he was asking.

Speaker 4 (02:00:54):
That's the flip of this. No, it's the same thing. No,
I'm saying, it's like the levels he went from college
being successful, will go to the pros and was awful. Yeah,
it does matter.

Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
It's the same thing we I think we talk about
when these college basketball coaches get discussed for NBA jobs
or even vice versa. It's I know, it's bouncing the
ball and throwing it in the basket. I know it's
snapping the ball and throwing it to your teammates and
kicking the ball through the uprights.

Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
It's not the same want You're just it's not this.

Speaker 6 (02:01:20):
It's it's the same actual game and sport, but dealing
with everything you have to deal with running the programs,
how you're supposed to put together your operation. It actually
did get a little closer because of the money that's
now in college football players, and but he just doesn't.
And I I honestly think if he had only not

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hired all of his kids that are coaches and Michael Lombardi,
I think that he might be able to survive this.
At this point, I think he's going to either ask
to get together on whatever a buyout is necessary to
be gone in a year, and he's gonna look awful
for doing it and everyone will not care at all
five months from now, when he he's has a microphone

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as is talking about football like he could have done without.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
The Carolina job. That's why he should have done.

Speaker 6 (02:02:06):
So I think that's where it sure seems like where
we're headed. He may be hardheaded enough to try to
stick it out, but he clearly needs smarter people than
he is at what needs to be done at the
college football level to even attempt to succeed and get
the right players in there, the right coaches in there
handle everything a lot better with everybody involved, because they're

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kind of missing on every single front. And on top
of all that, they don't have talent there anymore, not
nearly the talent they need.

Speaker 4 (02:02:31):
Somebody on the staff said, we don't have a single
pro player on our roster.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
And the idea that you can't have that because he
just got there, that doesn't fly anymore, not in this age.
Everybody else's face with every team changes every year. Now
in college football, it is very different than the reason
they couldn't lost on me completely. Yeah, five o'clock hour
has arrived. We will talk football at five, non Belichick.
When we come back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
The A team on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the eighting.

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
Football at five as we get the final hour of
the week underway. I don't know if you feel about this,
but I was walking out on Monday and I was like,
all right, Monday, start of a week.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
Here we go again. And I blinked, and here we
are on Friday. Weeks. Maybe it was the Rockets games
this week that made it go by faster. Every week
we'll include Rockets games from here probably through.

Speaker 5 (02:03:39):
June June, June, June jone, June. All right, before we
get into some interesting audio, what is you know? We
were talking about the matchups and stone cold locks. On
the pro side, is there a matchup in Week six?
Since there isn't a Texans game that is either it
stands out for whatever reason to you or or you

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just like I want to watch this game.

Speaker 6 (02:04:02):
Well, the secondary part of it, for sure is the
Sunday night football games Detroit and Kansas City. Yeah, a
Super Bowl preview every year for the last five years,
and now we have to wonder if it is this
year for one of those two teams. And it's Pat
Mahomes team. They're two and fourth. They don't win this game,
you know, there's only eleven games to go after that.
It's not like they can't reach the playoffs, and there's
plenty of division games for them still to play. They're

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in a division that does not have a four win
team yet that could obviously change this weekend. It's getting,
you know, the math that catches you pretty quickly in
the NFL, and the Texans are trying to push that
away from themselves as fast as they can winning the
last two games, and they really need to beat either
Seattle or San Francisco, if not both coming back from

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the off week. Otherwise they're still kind of playing that
uphill battle, which is exactly what Kansas City will be
facing if they don't beat Detroit.

Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
They are at home.

Speaker 6 (02:04:52):
They know, I'm sure they feel like they gave that
game away because like the way the Texans lost to Tampa,
Texans drove all the way down the field. Tampa let
them score, but it was late in the game and
they took a lead that required a touchdown to beat them.
That's what Kansas City did Monday night. They went all
the way down the field, scored their touchdown, took the lead,
forced the Jaguars to need a touchdown to beat them,

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and they let them do it, let them go right
down the field.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Their kicker helped by giving them.

Speaker 6 (02:05:18):
I don't know how many yards you want to say,
but they didn't have to start at the twenty or
twenty five or thirty or thirty five. They got to
start at the forty because you couldn't kick it properly.
That's definitely the biggest game of the week, but obviously
the Texans not obviously if you were unaware, the Texans
are the only team in their division that is off
this week. Indianapolis. I don't know if you think they're

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catching a break or not. They're catching a break with
who they're playing. First of all, Arizona is on a
They're already at a crossroads this year because of what
happened last week. Their coach probably doesn't survive a bad
season in year three for Bird Gang guy Jonathan Gannon,
and he was fined one hundred thousand dollars this week
internally by the team.

Speaker 4 (02:05:59):
Probably we need a.

Speaker 6 (02:06:00):
Revisit of that topic because it was a controversial one.
How soft is this league? The player does this and
we're finding the coach for it. Because he was mad. Yeah,
a lot of people said that, people who aren't really
focused on what actually happened, but just like to yell.
So we can revisit that if we want. But that's
who Indianapolis gets this week in Indy. And while Kyler

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Murray did return to practice today, it's not yet known
whether he will actually make the start or else. The
Colts will get somebody there kind of familiar with because
he used to start for them.

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
He stinks.

Speaker 6 (02:06:30):
Jacoby Brissett. I think Indianapolis is going to be five
and one. I'm not always right. See last night Tennessee
goes to Vegas. One of those teams is going to
get their second win. Really, it doesn't matter in the
bigger picture. But Seattle is playing Jacksonville this week, right
before they play the Texans. They're on the road at Jacksonville.
Jacksonville's trying to get to five and one. I'm not

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saying it would be awesome for the Texans to face
a happy Seattle team after a victory over Jacksonville, except
that's exactly what I'm saying, because the opposite is awful
on every front. Do you want Jacksonville to get to
five and one? And you want Seattle to be ticked
off that they lost thirty eight thirty five to the
Bucks and then they lost to Jacksonville right before they

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host you on Monday night.

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
No thanks, Yeah, well, I think they're going to beat Jacksonville.
They are favored on the road at Jacksonville. Yeah, I
just I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (02:07:27):
Uh, And I'm saying this as I'm being forced to
use Trevor Lawrence this week as a quarterback in my
fantasy league.

Speaker 6 (02:07:34):
Well, if he was available, you probably have other options.
Bryce Young's probably available, Blacko's probably available.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
I don't want Joe Flatz. Rattler's probably available. Jacoby Brissett's
definitely available. That's just crap, crack, crack, crap crap. I
don't think he's available. Oh okay, well you think that
of those names you just mentioned, you just.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
Gave up thirty five points and four quarterback touchdown passes
a week ago to Sam Darnold.

Speaker 4 (02:08:00):
I think he might have been available, but I'm not
sure on that.

Speaker 6 (02:08:02):
So Jacksonville, I don't Trevor Lawrence made three on Trevor
Lawrence like plays on the final drive of the game.
His throat to Thomas was incredible. His throat a Brown
was incredible. And then he was about to make a
Trevor Lawrence play at the goal line. He got tripped
by his guard and then he tried to get up
and he fell down again.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
That was so Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (02:08:24):
But unfortunately didn't stay down and the Chiefs didn't get
into the backfield at all.

Speaker 7 (02:08:28):
He ran it in.

Speaker 4 (02:08:30):
That was first Jones Trevor Lawrence like that was crazy.
I mean, at least he addressed it.

Speaker 6 (02:08:36):
I know this this season is not even half over,
and I just mentioned about the point differential and we're
dealing with a small sample size. When are we admitting
this Jacksonville is a good football team. They're a good
football team. They played really good defensive starting to make
plays much more often offensively.

Speaker 5 (02:08:53):
They are fourteen takeaways, which is already more than last
season when they had nine, which is insane that that's
a thing.

Speaker 4 (02:09:00):
Well, they're almost all picks. It's crazy. I think if
they win this game against Seattle, I have to I
have to admit it. Still nobody's better than them.

Speaker 5 (02:09:11):
Yeah, but I would still say that this is in
spite of they're extended franchise quarterback.

Speaker 6 (02:09:18):
Well like I said, I think maybe we got to
see it to believe it. But some of the things
that happened in last night's are last week's primetime game
were the signs of somebody understanding how to make winning plays.
His overall numbers still aren't particularly good this year, and
that's being really, really nice. I'm saying, if you want
to know where he ranks among these sixteen starting quarterbacks

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in the AFC, I'll tell you he ranks ahead of
Gino Smith, Jake Brown, and Cam Ward and Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
And that's it.

Speaker 6 (02:09:48):
Passer rating under eighty is disastrous. It's you're fired. It's
you're gone. Not you were the number one overall pick
and we've extended you. It's tragic almost. And yet they've
lost once one time, and they beat this team. He
is number one on the list and most dropped passes

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by his receivers.

Speaker 5 (02:10:12):
Oh well, the Texans saw that firsthand, yep, and so
has everybody else. I mean, and we're not talking like,
oh it was a bad pass, it was thrown behind it. No,
right in the numbers, stop ding him in the hands.
I mean he's probably thinking the same thing. I Yeah,
that part right there does factor into it, and it's
that is where it's you're not making an excuse for him.

(02:10:34):
I mean, if he's making those throws and they're just
dropping them, you can't give you can't put that on Trevor.
It's like those tips that are interceptions. It's still a pick,
but something else happened there. Sometimes that wasn't necessarily you know,
it was tipped by the receiver, not a defensive player,
and then it turned into a touchdown. I'm not giving
him all those excuses, but the drops are a thing.

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That's a very real thing.

Speaker 6 (02:10:57):
It's not the end of the world to be four
and one when your core still has a long way
to go. If he makes those changes, if he makes
those steps, if the more they're working with what appears
to be an incredibly strong group of new coaches, new OC,
new head coach, new DC, everything's worked out so far
for them. And by the way, Travis Hunter without kind

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of seeing anything, nobody's seeing him play because he's not
making any highlight reel plays and that's all anybody sees
if they're not watching Jacksonville football. He's playing very well
on both sides of the football, and his ability to
continue to get additional reps both ways has gone up.
He's been everything they hoped he could be without turning
in too many spectacular plays, very few as a matter

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of fact, and that's probably only going to get better.

Speaker 4 (02:11:43):
So a little bit of a look out. This is
getting better.

Speaker 6 (02:11:46):
Brian Thomas's production over the last couple of weeks has
also changed pretty dramatically, and that at least they're hooking
up now. So it would look like to me, Indy
is almost a given to be five, and one wouldn't
expect them to lose to air Zona at home and
Jacksonville despite not being favored.

Speaker 4 (02:12:04):
They're good. So Seattle is very these teams.

Speaker 6 (02:12:07):
Maybe one of the more evenly matched games among good
football teams we have on tap this weekend, Seattle at Jacksonville.
There's some other even matchups, but not usually with two
good teams. By the way, Detroit's beating Kansas City. I mean,
that's why I went with Detroit on the stone cold Locks,
because they're underdogs and I too think they're going to
win the game.

Speaker 5 (02:12:26):
Arrowhead, Yes, yeah, like they. Dan Campbell wants to play
there and ruin their lives.

Speaker 8 (02:12:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:12:32):
Two Monday night football games this week also Buffalo's at Atlanta,
Chicago is at Washington. Both home teams are both of
the favored teams favored by four and a half. Just
so you are aware a week and a day out,
just to make sure you know. Tampa Detroit is the
first Monday night game next week, and the Texans game
not only is the second game at Seattle. You probably

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have seen it and thought, nah, that can't be right.
It really does kick off at nine o'clock. Like, I'm
gonna have to get an nap him before when I
get home. I'm old, all right, Matt, Well, that's different.
He's he's extreme when it comes to that stuff and
sleeps on campus.

Speaker 4 (02:13:10):
I will never do that intentionally. Why I just won't
because you feel like you're at work and so you
shouldn't be sleeping.

Speaker 6 (02:13:19):
Well, how many hours can there possibly be between Well,
first of all, I don't live in another city.

Speaker 4 (02:13:25):
So you drive all the way home, which during that
time you could be getting valuable.

Speaker 6 (02:13:29):
If the Rockets were playing a home game two o'clock,
five hours after we finished, if they had an eleven
o'clock tip off, I would manage to not sleep at
the office between six and eleven.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
What would you do, you name it.

Speaker 6 (02:13:43):
There's lots to do. He chooses to sleep sometimes. I
don't want to paint this whole picture.

Speaker 4 (02:13:47):
Of what you say lots to do when you say
something like the arcade and go karts here just golf.
The sad thing is we used to have an arcade
at our building. Remember the fourth floor. Don't they have
a simulator down there?

Speaker 12 (02:14:01):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:14:02):
I don't know, play some ping pong down where the lobby.
Oh I forgot about that. Yeah, but see that's not ours,
that's the whole buildings I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:14:11):
iHeart.

Speaker 6 (02:14:12):
We're off at six. Make the sign up for six
thirty when nobody's here. Allmine reserved.

Speaker 5 (02:14:17):
As much as I wanted us to get over to
the new building as quickly as possible, I do miss
some of the things about the old building. All Right,
we will take a quick time out. When we come back,
we'll talk a little bit more about this red River shootout.
Cedric Golden gonna join us next segment.

Speaker 2 (02:14:34):
The A Team on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (02:14:45):
It is the A Team Sports Talk seven ninety Space
City Home Network. Time for us once again to check
in on the Red River rivalry. And for that we'll
go out to u Cedric Golden, who joins us here
on Support Talk seven ninety. Cedric, We've already had a
conversation about this game earlier today on the OU side

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of things.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
I asked my co host this earlier this week. Is
this one of the.

Speaker 5 (02:15:14):
Lesser lackluster type matchups in this rivalry that you've ever seen?
I know there have been some, But with everything going
into this and with some of the question marks on
both sides, do you feel like this or you like
pumped as usual for the Cotton Bowl and everything that
comes with this game.

Speaker 7 (02:15:30):
Well, I'm always pumped for it because it's you know,
it's just a blessing to cover event of that magnitude
and do this for a living. But I don't think
Texas held up there in in Florida and the Texas
that come in here at four and one, it would
still be a sexy matchup, but they but they stubbed
the toe and didn't show up against Florida. I still

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think it's got a lot of buzz because of the
quarterback storylines that are coming in this game. Will will
John Mattier play with that thumb? Seventeen days after thumb
surgery is arch Manning still as he's still is the
most visible quarterback in America. Is he really a flop?

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Is he?

Speaker 4 (02:16:15):
Is?

Speaker 7 (02:16:15):
He gonna have another game like he had in Florida?
So the storylines are still really hot. Of Oklahoma get
getting pretty much bury Texas and eliminate all but eliminate
them from playoff contention with a win, and the Horns
can can can still be breathing a little bit if

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they could get this thing back on tracks. So it's
still pretty sexy matchup.

Speaker 6 (02:16:40):
Earlier this week, you had reposted something that I too,
had reposted it from a good friend, Sam Kahn over
at the Athletic He was on the show with us
not too long ago. It was about quarterbacks being pressured
on their dropbacks. I was at the uf H game
this past weekend against Texas Tech when their quarterbacks were
underseas the entire time, and that was the only team

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in the country the Cougars that had their quarterback more
under siege than arch Manning against Florida based on that
number of pressures. Before we specifically get into arch it's
the same thing what needs to happen around him that
has not been happening, Whether it's just the old line,
or the targets, or the run game or all of
it before a real assessment of where this kid can

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go can really begin.

Speaker 7 (02:17:27):
He needs help. I mean, he's not Vince Young, but
even Vince Young had help. Vince Young was surrounded by
NFL players man that the USC Texas game, though Harns
thirty guys on that roster ended up in the league,
So I just think he needs help. The running backs
produced fifteen yards rushing fifteen yards rushing, and Arch led them.

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Arch is the leting rusher on the Longhorns. Who would
have thought that coming into the season. After five games,
the defense did not create fields. The defense had zero
sacks against the guy with one leg. The offensive line
gave up six sacks to a team that had three
coming into the game. It was a total no show.

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And I will say this about Arch Manning, that is
one tough young man because he stood in that pocket
and took a tremendous beating and still made things interesting
at the end of that game because he made some
money throws. He met a couple, but he did make
some to keep Texas in the game. So he in

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my eyes, he did nothing to hurt to hurt. My
perception of him now. Is he meeting the preseason expectations?
How could he? I mean people are saying Heisman Trophy,
National Championship. The guy has started what two games coming
into this year, so growth doesn't happen without some kind
of struggle. This time next year, we'll be talking about

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arch Manning in a different vein. He'll be much better
because of the experience that he's going through right now.
But if we're talking about what's going to happen on Saturday,
Texas still has a fighting chance to win this game,
but arch Manning can't do it by himself.

Speaker 5 (02:19:12):
Talking to Cedric Golden of the Austin American Statesman, you
mentioned that, you know, looking forward to next year and
just the seasoning and just the reps in general that
arch Manning gets. And it's funny because b John Robinson
has kind of gone on the circuit this week two
different podcasts where he's kind of gone out of his

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way to say, hey, let arch you know, be let
him be now again. You mentioned that the thing at
the beginning that all the hype that went into this season,
and you know, as a guy who votes for the Heisman,
you were probably wondering what in the world.

Speaker 4 (02:19:47):
Too, just because of the lack of experience.

Speaker 5 (02:19:49):
Just because your name's Manning on the back of your
jersey doesn't mean that you're going to be you know
what those books that have come before you have been.
But is it as simple as that, you think, you
really feel that strongly that you come next year when
he's lacing him up, he'll just be that much better
of a quarterback from going through the slings and arrows
of this twenty twenty five campaign.

Speaker 7 (02:20:11):
I think so, because you saw what Quinn yours went
through this first year as a starter, and he was
markedly better after that. I think that Arch Manning needs
some help up front. The offensive line has just been deplorable, horrible.
Last year's offensive line had the Lombardi out In Trophy
winner at left tackle and Kelvin Banks, and it still

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wasn't as good as we thought it would be, even
though it was a Joe Ward a More final a
Joe Ward Award finalist. So I think Sarkesian may need
to rethink his approach on offensive lineman. He's made it
with homegrown guys to this far, but this year has
been kind of exposed. It's not a solid group. They

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don't get a push up front, They can't protect a
good mobile quarterback. They had the I can't remember the
kid's name, but the Oregon left tackle was on I mean,
the Oregon left guard was on campus in the offseason
at the facility and they didn't close close the deal.
And now he's part of an Oregon o line that's
only given up three or four sacks all season. So

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that's that's what we're talking about. You have to find, uh,
somewhere in America. You can't tell me there aren't two
or three disgruntled offensive linemen in the portal who would
love to live in a city like Austin and get
paid good money from that Texas collective. So uh, he's
got to rethink that.

Speaker 4 (02:21:32):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (02:21:33):
And uh, you know, the one good shiny, you know,
silver lining on the cloud is that Arch Manning. We
can stop talking about him being the number one overall
pick in the next NFL draft. His grandfather was right
all along. I believe he's coming back for another year
and that goes well for Texas.

Speaker 6 (02:21:51):
Are there any bigger picture twenty twenty five concerns? If
you know, they come out of this game, which they
very easily could at three and three with what the
final six game a games hold just from a program
standpoint and where things really are as a as a
as a program.

Speaker 7 (02:22:08):
And it popped into my mind, is you gotta be tougher.
You can't get pumped like that. They are pumped in
Gainesville from the from the opening snap until the end.
They got pumped. They got out tough, and the SEC
is about physicality, and the SEC is about how good
are you upfront on both sides of the line. And

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Texas lost that battle. Uh, it was it was a
It was a whitewash, total dominated on both sides of
the football. And if your big boys are winning battles
up front, or at least holding their own and going
fifty to fifty every other snap, you're gonna get beat.
You're gonna get beat. And so when I picked them
to go ten and two at the beginning of the season,

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it was with the understanding that they were gonna beat
Ohio State because arch banning was better than Julian's saying,
and that they were gonna be Florida. And I thought
they probably lose to Georgia or Texas or or Texas
A and M. But now here. They are at three
and two midway through it, and they still haven't played Georgia,
and they still haven't played the Aggies. And so the

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thing that's got to worry Texas fans more than anything
is you don't want this thing to go off the
rails and you're looking at a seven and five or
a six and six. It feels like an eight and
four at this point, and based on what they've done
these last couple of years, eight and four is a
tremendous failure.

Speaker 6 (02:23:27):
Yeah, you said the same thing I did, but you
just said it better. All week I've been talking about
them losing the battle in the trenches both sides of
the football. But you, of course, like I said, said
it better. They did get punkd. They got pushed around,
and that was why what could be ahead for them?
They If they get pushed around again, then the schedule
it's going to point to eight and four or much worse.
I'm curious from a conference standpoint, Cedric, do you have

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any conviction over saying who you think the best team
in the SEC.

Speaker 7 (02:23:54):
Is For the first time, I do not. I don't
now when I look when I look up top, you
know Alabama, Ty Simpson is way better than anyone thought
he'd be the quarterback Atabama. He's the reason that they
went into Georgia and halted that thirty three game winning
streak at home. LSU is up and down, Tennessee quietly

(02:24:20):
playing pretty well. I think maybe the most consistent team
is Texas A and M. And you know I'm saying
that knowing they started five and one conference last season,
and then you look up and they're going one and
four down the stretch. So the Aggies close. The Aggies
have an experienced offensive line, they have a quarterback in

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Marshall Reed emerging, and three good running backs and so
and a couple of good receivers. Mario Kraver's as good
as anybody in the country. And that defense is holding
up well. So I think the Aggies might be the
most complete team. But for the first time, I can't
say with any manner certainty who the best team is

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in the SEC. And isn't that great for college football
when you don't.

Speaker 6 (02:25:05):
Know, It's fantastic. It's why I asked, because I figured
that might be the answer. Just need a number from
you on the way out, Cedric. This is the blank
time you have covered the Red River rivalry.

Speaker 7 (02:25:17):
I was asked that earlier this week. I want to
say I did two when I was in East Texas,
when I was in Tyler, and then I did, I did.
I started My first one here was two thousand and two.
So what would that be in Austin twenty four two three,
five four to six five six.

Speaker 4 (02:25:37):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 7 (02:25:38):
That's twenty four. So I'm gonna say, I think this
is my twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (02:25:42):
Well, I knew it was a lot. I've known you
for a long time. I was trying to recall the
first time we had a conversation. I think all I
could come up with is maybe was a big twelve
media day when Mike Gundy had his uh, his transformation
with his look. It kind of stood out to me
that might have been the year that we first discuss things.
And again, it's been great following along with you all

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these years here and look forward to the coverage coming
up on Saturday and beyond throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (02:26:07):
Appreciate your time, Cedric, appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (02:26:09):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (02:26:10):
Anytime you need me, you got my number, will do and.

Speaker 4 (02:26:12):
We will definitely reach out again.

Speaker 6 (02:26:14):
It comes your way right here on Sports Talk seven
ninety one thirty for coverage beginning with the two thirty
kickoff Saturday afternoon, Texas.

Speaker 4 (02:26:22):
Oh you.

Speaker 2 (02:26:24):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:26:38):
It is the eighteen Sports Talks seven ninety I thought
I hit the button. Apparently I didn't like I hit the.

Speaker 6 (02:26:44):
Wrong button on button, although I've made that error many
many times, so give it a little time. Here, we've
heard from Tyler Mcomas from the Oklahoma side of things
radio at the Ref in Norman. Now we've heard from
Cedric Golden, Austin Americans Statesman and confirmed long time media
member covering this particular game.

Speaker 4 (02:27:05):
I went before time.

Speaker 6 (02:27:06):
I knew it was well over twenty because I knew
he'd been at the Statesman for longer than that. I
had not realized he had a couple of opportunities he
was until today.

Speaker 4 (02:27:14):
But I love him. Oh No, He's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (02:27:16):
And I meant it when I said it, because as
you guys have listened this week since the Florida game
last week, I mean I said it in my usual
long winded, unnecessary kind of way. I don't think their
offensive line did a very good job to keep the
run game going or give protection to Arch manning. And
also I don't think they got to dj lagway enough
when their defense was on the field, they kind of

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got manhandled.

Speaker 4 (02:27:38):
And I asked Cedric a question. He goes, they got
punked in the trenches.

Speaker 6 (02:27:42):
He says, actually repeated it accurate assessment of what took
place in that game, and it's much more powerful saying
it that way. And even the question I asked was about, well,
what about the remainder of the schedule, Well, any team
in the SEC now, if they didn't already, thinks they
can punk you in that regard, and that's what's gonna

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lead to a fourth and a fifth and a sixth.

Speaker 5 (02:28:04):
Yeah, are you ready for something that's not going to
be fun to experience and or hear right now, but
will likely be in my opinion? What what brings Arch
in the program? Maybe to greater heights? And I know
a lot of this is going to depend on did.

Speaker 4 (02:28:24):
You intentionally not want to say new heights?

Speaker 7 (02:28:27):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:28:28):
I know that it's gonna take Arch performing for this
to work out the math if she is, so to speak,
what if this whole time? Because you hear guys like
Cedric's a respected voice around Longhorn's football. He's not just
a Johnny cum lately b Jon Robinson. I tend to
listen when he speaks up about this subject. Sark is

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having to say what he's saying because of the position
he's in right now. What if everybody involved, including Arch,
knows that going into this season, even with all these
stupid preseason hype, Heisman all that stuff, they probably were
laughing about it, knowing that this was actually gonna be

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the type of team they were. But this is basically
an extended training camp for what they hope will be
next year when he does come back, and everything is
great because the line's better, and on and on, all
well and good.

Speaker 6 (02:29:21):
And I definitely recognize the point you're making. Nobody wants
to do that in college football.

Speaker 4 (02:29:26):
No, there's no time for that. You don't, you can't.

Speaker 6 (02:29:28):
It's you know, ask these coaches that are getting fired
two years into their tenures. Time is literary year, first
down year after a long running season of six seasons
of success, like what's happened to coach Gundy. You brought
up one thing that the Sark comment from earlier this week,
and I'm kind of balancing out whether I'm disappointed at
us or I'm happy that we tried to keep things current.

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I'm glad we didn't mention this when Sark said, you
tell me how these other teams would do if they
had to go to you know, Ohio State and then
go play in the swamp. So I'm happy that we
didn't make the obvious reference because it's not current. But
I'm unhappy we didn't make the reference Matt Thomas style
because it's so obviously the same thing. When you went
to visit the cockpit and there was Kareem Abdul Jabbar,

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you know, Roger Murdoch up there, and he grabbed the
kid by his shirt and said, you tell your old
man to drag Walton and Linear up the court. Like
that's basically what Sark was saying. Hey, you guys, tell
these other teams to go do what we had to do,
how would they fare? I mean, come on, Sark, little
easy before we get to the actual predictions. Yes, there's

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no fair food this year at the State Fair.

Speaker 4 (02:30:36):
Well, let's hear it. Why did you wait until five
thirty eight because they should have led the show.

Speaker 6 (02:30:42):
Oh yeah, hey, guys, guess what Clanton's thinking about the
last thirteen segments of the show. I'm hungry, I'm hungry.
I'm hungry, I'm hungry. Hey, I know what I'm doing today.
I learned from earlier this week when you were trying
to beat up the table. Well it deserved it, first
of all, and second of all, guess what I'm hiring
for dinner?

Speaker 4 (02:30:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:30:58):
Breakfast good, that's all very popular choice, Okay, go ahead,
the simple stuff. A bunch of stuff they you know,
I don't think really as all that entertaining. A couple
of different flavors of dippin' dots, some chocolate cover strawberries,
new flavors are dippin' dots. Everything that I'm looking at
here only are new foods, some new items.

Speaker 4 (02:31:18):
So what are the flavors of dippin' dots? And I'm
only asking for my son's.

Speaker 6 (02:31:21):
Chocolate chip cookie dough dippin' dots. We've already had those,
maybe not at the fair. Okay, but you can get
some Cajun stuff seashells, all right, do you?

Speaker 8 (02:31:34):
I mean?

Speaker 6 (02:31:35):
Okay, these are pretty simple. I'm not gonna get to
the to the excellence till later. Chuo cheesecake klapeno poppers.

Speaker 4 (02:31:43):
You like donuts? Yeah? Do you like corn bread? Yeah?
Do you like corn bread donuts?

Speaker 11 (02:31:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:31:49):
They are offered this year. So it's comfort if comfort
food had a fairy tale moment.

Speaker 4 (02:31:53):
This is how it's described. Advice on that I would
not go for that. First, you're gonna fill up deep
fried everything, carbonara okay, chezy spaghetti, carbonar bread and deep
fried okay. This is like, you know what, this list
so far strikes me of we've done it all and

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we're trying to find things to fry.

Speaker 6 (02:32:16):
This is one of those What do you think is
inside Elcono Loco Food? It's a cone? What do you
think is in it? Cono Loco Loco is crazy? I
think crazy. Well, it's a creamy text Mex Chicken spaghetti
patch with hatch packed with hatch, green chili's, caeso and
shredded Monterey jack. And the cone is a garlic parmesan
bread cone.

Speaker 4 (02:32:35):
Well, that sounds like three am acid reflux to me.

Speaker 6 (02:32:37):
Fried pickle bombs, guacaron's Huh, deep fried pork belly now
we're talking.

Speaker 4 (02:32:44):
That's what you got there?

Speaker 7 (02:32:46):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (02:32:47):
Lobster not one, not two, but three ways, including lobster
mac and cheese, lobster rolls, slider popcorn fried lobster all
in one dish you can order.

Speaker 5 (02:32:57):
Okay, this is a little bit of a hot take.
I don't feel like walking around in heat in Texas?
Is seafood weather? Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (02:33:08):
That's your call. It may I know what they're trying
to do here, but I don't know. Seafood to me
needs to be consumed in a controlled environment. What's your
favorite Italian dessert? Ooh, Italian dessert? Well, I feel like
you're bringing up canoli's here. Okay, good answer.

Speaker 6 (02:33:27):
How about a bacon jam canoli That's not bad, classic
Italian treat, but this time sweet and savor in every bite.
Bacon jam slow cooked with brown sugar, maple syrup and spices,
with your creamy ricotta and bits of milk chocolate.

Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
Why do you sliders with bacon?

Speaker 7 (02:33:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:33:44):
Yeah, you had an hour talking a bunch of other
desserts and drinks and nonsense like that. All right, and
I've still never been what a loser myself? A Texan?
You said it?

Speaker 6 (02:33:55):
You can also have for those that have not ever
been and are going for the first time, like you
will be. Hopefully they'll still be serving the Vegan crunch
rap supreme what so I can give it to Teresa
so you can enjoy. We will have our picks, among
other things to end the show.

Speaker 4 (02:34:10):
To end the show, next.

Speaker 2 (02:34:14):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 4 (02:34:20):
Prediction Central.

Speaker 6 (02:34:22):
For this final segment of the show, a couple things
we haven't even gotten to yet. There are two game
fives before we hit you again on the airwaves. One
tonight one tomorrow, American League tonight, National League tomorrow, Blue
Jays Dodgers. Of the two teams already threw awaiting their
arrival of the other opponent in the respective CSS. And

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obviously we've got all this college football this weekend. I
haven't really weighed in on some of the other fairly
highly ranked team matchups that we have Indiana and Oregon,
Alabama and Missouri. I happen to believe Alabama and Oregon
will win each of those games, and probably more handily
than are expected to.

Speaker 4 (02:35:03):
But we also want to focus in on Texas. Oh,
you will save that to the end.

Speaker 6 (02:35:06):
Who's joining the Dodgers and who is joining the Blue
Jays in the respective championship series in Major League Baseball?

Speaker 4 (02:35:14):
Sorry, Kyle, Talker beat it, Brewers win and they go
to the World Series.

Speaker 6 (02:35:23):
I actually think the opposite in both cases is true.
I think the Brewers will win at home in Game five,
and I think the Dodgers will dispatch of the Brewers
and reach the World Series. Unfortunately, all right, Seattle and Detroit,
they get going in a little over an hour.

Speaker 4 (02:35:37):
Detroit and then the Blue Jays advance where they will
defeat whoever you decided shows up. But yeah, I like.
And the best part about when the Mariners lose tonight
will be that it's going to be so soul crushing
because they're going to think they're finally going to do
something and then they won't. I don't want think even

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going to the ALC. Keep in mind if they do lose.

Speaker 6 (02:36:02):
If Seattle loses to Detroit, they'll have to look back
at the year they lost to the Astros as the
last time and the only time in twenty years they've
won a playoff series. Yeah, because they won a playoff
series to get to the Astros. They beat the Blue
Jays that year, which I kept hearing it, and I

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wasn't sure if I was hearing things during their victory
the other night when they won at home. They hadn't
won a home game in twenty four years in the postseason,
but the announcer kept saying they haven't won a postseason
game in twenty four years. Like, I know, they got
swept by the Astros, but they want a series to
get there two a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:36:41):
So either I'm hearing you wrong or you've set it
up weirdly. But it just wasn't the case. It doesn't matter.
It's the Mariner, I know.

Speaker 6 (02:36:48):
But yeah, it wouldn't maybe a long time since they
would have, you know, won a playoff. It would be
from that year it would remain the only time they've
ever won. And now they're in a spot where it's
pretty obvious this is a pretty good run for Seattle.
This is a five to six year run where they've
been our four or five year run where they've had
a really good baseball team, one that in any other
sport would almost guaranteed to have had playoff success. They're

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they're just they fit right in. They're a playoff team.
They're good enough to win, they just haven't done that well.
But tonight can change that.

Speaker 5 (02:37:18):
Yes, But I keep coming back to the only reason
they're here. They finally after all season of both them
and the Astros playing with their food. Although the Astros
had excuses, the Mariners other than George Kirby, what's the
biggest health issue they had all season long?

Speaker 6 (02:37:37):
That was of yeah, they had two injuries, his injury
in Bryce Miller's injury, and he's at the back end
of their rotation.

Speaker 4 (02:37:42):
Those are the only two, and neither one of them
were catastrophe not grab that division until like the waning.

Speaker 6 (02:37:48):
Weeks of the season, right, But all that being said,
they ultimately had the best deadline moves, they worked out
the best, and they finished with the second best or
the third best right the league.

Speaker 5 (02:38:00):
But most of his time playing the season for Arizona
had to bail you out and continues to be here.

Speaker 6 (02:38:04):
But well, neither one of them are their best player.
They're two best players for Mariners all year.

Speaker 4 (02:38:09):
Cal Rowley's hit a bunch of home runs and it
didn't get you squat until Josh Naylor started doing things
and Randy Rosarina, who was another trade started doing things.

Speaker 6 (02:38:20):
They're two best players. Wouldn't you agree? They're two best players?
Are Rodriguez and Raleigh.

Speaker 4 (02:38:25):
No, they are no one of them is no dude,
I do. I am not like I like him personally,
and I thought he would be better. I don't. I'm
not one of those people that thinks that Rodriguez is
just really all that. Oh, that's just a guy.

Speaker 6 (02:38:39):
He's better than au Haneo, Polanco and Naylor, that's all.
I'm asking a huge.

Speaker 4 (02:38:43):
Bar to clear.

Speaker 5 (02:38:45):
And I don't think he's better than Naylor for them,
I don't. Naylor is had Naylor overall. I mean, I
can't say as a Mariner because he hadn't been there
for more than five minutes, but Naylor as.

Speaker 4 (02:38:55):
A MLB player, to me, statistics be damned. Don't tell
me numbers over there. I'm telling you from an I test.
You don't do that, Josh. He's a better player than
Rodriguez pound for pound throughout their career, which are both brief,
although his is longer.

Speaker 6 (02:39:11):
He has more attributes talking about Julio, he plays when
he takes the right he has. He's been a little
disappointing as an outfielder because he's so little athletically gifted.

Speaker 4 (02:39:20):
He goes brain dead half the time.

Speaker 6 (02:39:22):
He should be making more plays. But overall, he's just
a better baseball player. But I will not dispute some
of the statistics would definitely back.

Speaker 5 (02:39:28):
You up when he comes up in big moments. You
can probably count on one hand when he's come through.

Speaker 6 (02:39:34):
He's not having a particularly good series, but then again,
I'm talking about overall his whole career. Sure, this postseason,
Raley's got a four thirty eight average and twelve hundred
ops in four games. There's not much else going on.
He's been well pitched, low scoring games on both ends.
I tend to think tonight might not be but two
aces are going Kirby and Schooble. I think the Tigers

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will win two. I then also agree the Blue Jays
will advance to the World Series. We don't need to
make a World Series prediction today. Final three on the
Big One tomorrow. What's it gonna take If you come
in here on Monday and the Longhorns are four and two?

Speaker 4 (02:40:11):
Why will that be the case?

Speaker 5 (02:40:13):
Because Arch, like randomly, out of nowhere, has the game
of his I kind of feel like I did about
Cam Scataboo and the Giants twenty four hours ago.

Speaker 4 (02:40:22):
I don't know why I think he's gonna do it.
I don't know if it's the setting.

Speaker 5 (02:40:26):
I don't know if he's finally just gonna mentally just say, well,
I'm gonna have to run because of the line that
Cedric was talking about in two, I'm gonna have to
just stop thinking so much about everything and just cut
it loose and win a sloppy game.

Speaker 4 (02:40:46):
But I don't I mean, I say sloppy because I
think both defenses are gonna get after it. But over
forty two and a half, yeah, I think they're running
because forty two and a half is not a big number.

Speaker 7 (02:40:56):
No, it is not.

Speaker 6 (02:40:57):
Their run game needs to do something beyond Arch being
the leading rushers. It's not a fake stat. But with
so many different players carrying the ball because of injury,
that's one of the reasons why he's the leading rusher.
But it also means they haven't had anybody else health
wise or step up wise in the run game.

Speaker 4 (02:41:16):
That's what obvious to me that has to change.

Speaker 6 (02:41:18):
I don't think Arch is capable of having that type
of performance with no help, without getting offensive line help,
without a little bit of pressure coming off because you're
able to run the ball a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:41:28):
I honestly think they need their defense to put points.

Speaker 6 (02:41:31):
On the board to win this game, create a turnover,
have Matereier make a mistake, And I mean, I can
appreciate everybody saying we'll see if he plays. They actually
have injury reports now, and I really don't think OHU
goes to the point of making him questionable early in
the week moving him up to probable as we hit
the weekend.

Speaker 4 (02:41:48):
He's playing.

Speaker 6 (02:41:49):
He's starting, and they'll have to deal with whatever health
status he plays through. It's just a timing thing. In
a week he'll be probably just fine. This may be
a touch early, but I think they feel like he
can go out there and give him a better chance
to win than Hawkins does, so I don't doubt that
that's true. And I think he's going to be a
handful for them to handle, and I don't think it's
a concern too much for them to have him run
the football, which I think he will do. They're they're

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a better team than Texas, but it is to throw
the records out game, and I think everybody involved recognizes
that it's a fairly inexperienced offense, but a completely opposite
type of defense for the Longhorns. If they run the
ball well and if they score on defense. They need
those things. That's how they come to Monday with a
four and two record and hand the Sooners their first.

Speaker 4 (02:42:32):
Loss twenty four to twenty one Texas. Oh an Over,
good job, Well, I picked an Over, so I know
I was just making it.

Speaker 6 (02:42:39):
All fit together. YEA plenty of things for us to
discuss when we get back. We'll see if those predictions
play out. Obviously, got another couple of Rockets preseason games
next week and we'll be within one week of the
NFL season. Will be a week out from Monday Night
football and a return to the field for the Houston
Texans and hopefully at least one, if not both, of
the AFC Souths they are looking up at do not

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come up with victories this weekend. Great to be with
Josh this afternoon our guest list with Cedra Golden and
Tyler Macombs. If you missed either of those interviews, catching
via the podcast or on our YouTube channel over at
Sports Talk seven ninety on YouTube. Both of those videos
from earlier today can be seen there, and we hope
everybody has a fantastic football weekend.

Speaker 4 (02:43:22):
As we say goodbye from the A Team

Speaker 2 (02:43:26):
The A Team on Sports Talk seven ninety