Yainer Bombs, Breggy Back Soon? Neris Available and Wex Disagrees w/ TB12

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named Adam talking Your Teams series.
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As heard here on Sports Talk seven ninety Robert Ford.
As heard here on Space City Home Network. Todd Kallis
the Astros were winners again? Has hit a go ahead
homer again? Adam Wexler, Adam Clinton here with you on
the A Team on a Tuesday in advance of more
Astros baseball tonight. As the six game home stand that

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includes three wins and four tries continues tonight with the
Red Sox Game two. The Red Sox still looking for
win number one against the Astros so far this season,
best team in baseball this month, best team in baseball
for almost the last one hundred games.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
We're sitting at ninety eight. Is your Houston Astros.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
You say Kakuchi gets the ball and he's wearing an
Astros uniform, then you can chalk up an Astro's victory.
Four games started, four wins for the Astros. Most of
his games from his side have looked almost exactly the same.
Game's gonna be tied at to to at some point
during his outing or just staffer he leaves, or when
he's taken getting the ball taken from him. He's gonna

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pitch into the six but not get all eighteen outs.
The Astros are gonna win by one or maybe two.
They won by one in his first start when they
beat the Rays thanks to Jiner Diaz a doubling and
the Rays throwing the ball around, so jord On Alvarros
scored the game winning run one by one in his
last start last night over the Red Sox thanks to
Jiner Diez getting advice from jord On Alvarez. After Kenley Jansen,

(02:09):
who we love here in Houston, Oh we love him,
was out on the mound for the ninth inning and
he said, I got this pitch one, pitch two, pitch
three by Jordan Alvarez, and uh, I guess you could
miss I don't. I don't want to do Kenley a
disservice because in reality, he has had a pretty good
major league career, but at this point in his career,

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He's just the right handed version of Nestra Cortes trying
to throw players timing off by a herky jerky where's
the pau is gonna be in my wind up before
I let the ball go manner? And so Jordon said
to Jiner when he was walking back to the dugout,
don't let his timing mess you up. First pitch bomb,
absolute smash job, and an immediate point back to the

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dugout in Jordon's direction from Yiner and the Astros get
the five to four win. They continue to find a
way even when they throw the ball around like they.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Did last night, the least esthetically pleasing victory probably of
the season. I was trying to think of one that
would be less attractive to watch from start to finish.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's the last pitch of the game was my favorite.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Obviously mine too, would have been anyways, but more so
not just because of the walk off variety, but because
of the fact that it was mercifully over. There was
a terrible ump behind the plate with a terrible zone
and uh, it was just like you said, the ball
being booted around or batted around or thrown around.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Last night by the ball teams.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Yeah, and the Astros might have done a whole lot
more over at third and short and second and first
and catcher, but they were able to take advantage with
the big air that the Red Sox made to begin
their offensive output. And the Red Sox did also take
advantage of one of theirs, probably got a little bit
of a good vibe maybe gift also from the move

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that was made bringing Kokuchi off the mound and putting
a right hander on the mound. It set the Red
Sox into putting their best bat off the bench, guy
who's crushed righties all year. And I wouldn't say he
crushed it. I mean Brett Myers might say he crushed it.
But it did go over the fence when they got
the to run Homer to extend the situation in their favor,
but to no avail. When the Astros play the Red Sox,

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when the Astros basically play any time in August, when
the Astros use you say Kokuchi, they win, and they did.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
They did. And by the way, Jordon owns the Red Sox.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
It is incredible what he has done just this season,
but over the course of his career against them and
even though you mentioned the big put out last night
just before Jiner went to the plate. That seems like
a small thing. But even when Jordon Alvarez didn't get
on base, he was hurting the Red Sox because just
mentioning that to Yiner, it's a tendency thing.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's whatever you want to call it in that moment.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Sometimes you forget stuff like that, and good on Jordon
to just kind of give Yiner that friendly heads up,
that reminder.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
It looked like he might have used it. Well.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
He threw four pitches and they all should have been crushed,
and that's why ye Jordan told Jiner that one of
them got crushed. The other ones were strikes and swings
and misses. And it was not because the stuff was
too good. It's not because he blew it past him.
He was off with his own timing for a pitcher
he hadn't faced. And you know Yanner's in a similar situation.
So that's what good teams do.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You see it.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
We've seen it. Fans of the Astros have seen it
for years. You know, Bregman's headed to the dugout after
scoring a run. He's telling Korea something. Karay is headed
to the die. It's happened for many, many years because
they happened to put a lot of time and effort
into studying these things. Both of those two examples I
used probably would do that for any team that they
were on. Bregman doesn't know any other team yet, and Correa,

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I'm sure does the same things there that he did here,
because those are the kind of players that they are.
But it's the kind of system that they run here
in Houston, and that's why it's even more fun to
hear from some of the players who make their way
through this system. We're lucky enough that there are tons
of them, mostly filling out the astros roster and lineup
on a daily basis, and they talk about it. How
you know, they like how they do things here, and

(06:09):
we've found this set to be helpful for us. That's
why we've gotten here. They've asked me to change this
on my way to hopefully getting to the major leagues,
and it's worked out so many times. This time around
this year, it is a little bit different. These new
players they've brought up, rookies have not immediately looked like
major leaguers, and it's not normal here in Houston. It's

(06:31):
normal for the major leagues, and you know, if you're
not a superstar unbelievable prospect, which none of these guys are,
you're not expected to go out there and be great.
And the Astros have had so much on the other
side of that, with guys in the Rookie of the
Year race almost every single season, and obviously it's paid
off to have them where they are. They are just
four and a half games back of the best record
in the American League, which is a closer distance to

(06:56):
the top than the Mariners distance to the Astros. It
is a five game cushion now in the American League West.
With the continual inability to score even a run a
shutout last night for the Dodgers against the Mariners.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Look, it's not even that surprising anymore. It's nothing that
we haven't talked about for weeks now, really most of
the season, especially when you consider that the disparity. They're
kind of like the the Jordan Alvarez, only it's with
wins and losses.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
They don't win on the road like ever, and when.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
They do win at home, it still seems like it's
a minor miracle because you're having to squeeze whatever offense
you can get out of that lineup to go along
with inevitably usually very stellar pitching, especially of the starting variety.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like it when I mean, right, yeah, all right, let's
do that.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I love one.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
So who did the Astros just get rid of? Just
send packing, say get out of town. We're gonna win
the series, Chicago White Socks, Okay, stink right?

Speaker 5 (07:56):
I thought you were historic a traded player at first. No,
I was like, you mean to Joe loberfdo they're going
to come for you?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Not Will Wagner either or Jake Bloss. No, they said
get out of here, Chicago. You stinkre historically bad. It's
embarrassing for us who have even lost to you once
here and once there. Yep, the White Sox, who have
a very hard time hitting the baseball, scoring runs, doing anything,
they were shut out on their way out the door
by fromber Valdez and the rest of the Astros pitching
staff over the final six outs. They're hitting two twenty

(08:22):
this year. That is abysmal. That is embarrassing, That is awful.
That is befitting of a team that's about to lose
their one hundredth game in one hundred and twenty one
hundred and thirty tries, they have thirty wins. It's also
not last in baseball because that is the Seattle Mariners.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, two fifteen.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
As a team, if you hit two fifteen, your manager's
not supposed to put you in the lineup. You know,
at ops in the mid six hundreds. Maybe you got
a couple of batters there that are like that, and
they do hit home runs, which improves their ops, but
they simply do not get hits, and they are so
far of everybody else in baseball as well when it

(09:02):
comes to going to the plate and walking back to
the dugout in shame because you just struck out number
one in baseball by leaps and bounds, the Seattle Mariners.
And this is the team that's gonna make up five
games on the Astros over their final thirty six.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
This is why if you're a Mariners fan and you're
gripping right now, you should be, because unlike the Astros,
when you fall behind in the division race, it is
more of an uphill battle because of what you just said.
I don't care if you have cy Young, if you
don't have any runs, it doesn't matter. And they didn't
last night, and so once again the formula presents itself.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I just don't see.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
This is why I said this is not gonna be
that series towards the end of the season is not
going to be of any sort of consequence between these
two teams, because.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
It could be a celebration, yeah for the Astros.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
But again you're saying it's not going to be because
they will have celebrated before that will Okay.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think the Astros will clinch the division before they
get to that series, which I kind of have to
say that if I'm going to say that series has.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
No time already this week, you don't have to say
it's out there, yeah already.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
There's no takebacks. Yeah, And I'm fine with it, you know,
because it is. Look, if we're being honest, twenty seventeen,
everything about it was magical first time of this era,
at least with this club, with some of these players
that are still here. And then I think we would
all agree that, you know, twenty nineteen was a juggernaut.

(10:23):
They should have won that World Series. If there's gonna
be one UW point two and in twenty twenty two.
I've said this before on the air. I didn't feel
like some people me included, got to appreciate it the
way we normally would have because it was more about
validation because of what it happened.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't think they're gonna win another one. Well no, no,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
If they first of all, if they win this division,
I'm sorry, win they win the division this year if
for some reason, and I don't see why it wouldn't
happen because the whole thing's wide open. In my opinion,
they go on a deep playoff run and they do
what we hope they We all hope they do. It's
going to be the most sad satisfying because of where
they came from, and where they came from is a

(11:03):
lot of games back, and it was a lot easier
for a team like them because they don't have the
anemic offense at times that the Mariners do most of
the year.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
In my mind, they basically came from Mexico City. Yes,
when they got out of the country, they started that track.
I don't mean to the north of the country, I
mean to the south of the country, same continent.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Ball game over for the rest of the of baseball
for that matter. I mean, they're not trying to win
the National League during the regular season, that's not possible.
But during the regular season, win a division, have a
top two record, and head onto the postseason. Yes, all
things that are possible. Is Alex Bregman playing tonight? We'll
tell you next.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
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Speaker 2 (12:59):
No what else to call? If you will? Yeah, teas.
That is Alex Bregman in the lineup. Today.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Joe Spot made an appearance on the Matt Thommas shows
he does each and every week. Earlier today, I had
some thoughts about Alex Bregman. Uh, let's hear what he
had to say first, and then I'll tell you what
he wrote on his lineup card.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Okay, a lot of the thing he's uh, he's gonna
want to be in there again today, but he's gonna
he's gonna go in. He's gonna take ground ball. He
should play cats today. He'll he'll hit and withew fields.
He feels well, he's either can be an option for today,
you know, off the bench, or he can or he

(13:40):
definitely can start tomorrow. So just depending on how he feels.
But he has really he has, really, he feels pretty good.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
That is a pretty good to me. I don't want
to speak for the other Adam, that's pretty good news
in my opinion on where things stand with Alex Bregman.
We'll get an update on that comment earlier this afternoon
on the Map Tamas Show from Joe Aspada here on
Sports Talk seven to ninety when he meets with the
media at the ballpark. As it will have happened as
Alex has gone through some of those things and potentially

(14:10):
takes BP and gets his status all set, but he
gave no indication he would be in the starting lineup,
which he is not. Altuve Alvarez, Diaz Diaz behind the plate.
Alvarez is the designated hitter. Jeremy Pania bat's cleanup. He's
gonna play shortstop tonight. John Singleton is over at first base,
had a couple of nice pinch hit appearances recently. Reese

(14:31):
Dubon back in the outfield. He is in left, Jake
Myers in center, Shay Whitcomb back at third base, and
the man who helped the Astros tie the game, Chas
McCormick is back in right field. Got into the game
yesterday after the singleton pitch hit for Tray Cabbage, he
just barely got enough of one off the end of

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the bat out over the second baseman, reached first on
the single, immediately stole second base, and Chaz scored easily
on the Mauricio Dubon RBI single to left field, and
it made it a four to four game, set up
the stage for the.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Heroics from Yiner.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
But to what Joe said, it sounds like he's definitely
going to play in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And there's a possibility he's available tonight and could even
start tomorrow afternoon before they fly to Baltimore for Thursday's game.
But like I said, we should know a bit more
a little bit later here during our show.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I do wonder though, like given the injury, given the
I mean you talk about hand ringing last week, Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Who could really really even tell between Bregman and Shay
Whitcomb yesterday.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
That's not a bad point, I know.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Again, I'll try to drop one mean remark in each
segment if possible. Not a great day in the field
for Shay Whitcomb, and he's been a little bit more
capable of having non zero at bats, more capable than
cab Bit, more capable than Descenzo, more capable than Leone
who's now been sent down. So he's gotten more done

(16:06):
while he's been standing in the batter's box. Uh, drill
walk gets a little bit more contact and he'll have
another opportunity today at third base.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, I just it's uh the fact that we were
as nervous as we were because of the way that
the the alluding to the Bregman injury even came about. Well,
Bregman's gonna speak at his locker or he's going to
speak to the media at three fifteen whatever it was
that day, and we're like, uh, okay, and this is out.
He's out of the lineup. He's speaking to the media

(16:35):
at three fifteen, that's all we were told. And then
you hear that it's swelling in the elbow and there's
no like he's going to sit out and probably not
going to play the series.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
And he's had tests done and they all came back. No,
doesn't expect it to be long term.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Although yesterday Chandler Rome said he wasn't going to play
last night, and he would he wouldn't be surprised if
he didn't play tomorrow, meaning today.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Well, I would he shouldn't be playing. Well, that's what
I was about to get to, like that scenario. Would
there be all the way down to their last guy?
Yesterday he was it. He was the only guy left
on the bench as they made their way through the
bottom of the ninth inn. Again, I'm fine with you
think if that went to extra as we see him
no last night.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I mean, the only thing that would be left for
him to do would be hit for the pitcher. If
the pitcher spot came.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Up in a National League game.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, I mean, once you do what they did with
Jiner and Victor Karattini, they lose the d H. So
they it could But even then I don't know that
they do that because once he pinched, I mean, it's
not the end of the world, because he's not going
to stay in the game and he's he's pinch hitting
for a player who is then going to replace him
a new pitcher. So it could have happened, but I
don't expect him just because he's available. I really don't

(17:51):
expect to see him because I would imagine they're trying
to give him one more day but extra innings is
crazy these days, the amount of times you take or
Jordan Alvarez out of these games. I'm still old, and
I still think, are you nuts? His spot's gonna come up,
and now it's some bench guy batting third or second
or fourth or wherever he was in the order.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Why would you do that?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
And Joe's thinking, Hey, buddy, we're gonna bat three or
four guys tonight in the extra innings because we're gonna
score on the tenth. Then they're gonna score in the tenth,
and one of us are probably gonna score more than
the other and the game is gonna be over. It's
just different. Now you can use more. And I think
it's either it's suits Joe's style or he's very easily
converted into this based on the rules.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
He doesn't have any problem using his guys most nights.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
And I applauded, Yeah, I mean it's it has been
more of an all hands on deck field of this
season on both sides of the I mean pitchers as well.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I mean, he pinch hit a lefty for a lefty
in last night's game, and it was absolutely the right move.
Trey Cabbage is a whiff machine, he was swinging and
missing by three to four feet, and so he brought
John Singleton and hit sack fly.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
It is just in Trey Cabbage does not like the sweeper.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
And I can't believe you just let other teams know
that they had no idea, no idea.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I guess what the scouting report on Jeremy Paineer. He
doesn't like the slider away.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
There were a couple of bats.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
H Paynas was one alt two V's in the eighth
was definitely another. Once he gets after the first pitch
which was at him, he swung at every other pitch
that was thrown and none of them were on the strike.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Take the good with the bat.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Has such a track record, it's it's not like the
other players. If other players are doing that, most of
them don't have his track record. In fact, nobody currently
in the game has more of a postseason track record
when it comes to home runs, et cetera. Nobody, literally,
not one single player. Only the great Manny Ramirez still
sits a top that list, which love to see the
Astros get back to the playoffs just for that one.

(19:47):
Moore again nod to Jose last night.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Another reminder that Kenley Jansen had to crawl before e
Raaldis Chapman could walk because even though Raaldis Chapman was
probably involved in a much more famous uh at bat
in that it was a walk off to go to
the World Series. Kelly Jansen's Greatest Hits machine is amazing
against the Astros.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Three of them. Now, I'm not on board with even
though four.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Technically, if you want to go back to the old days,
what's the fourth?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I can't remember who hit it? Well, what what was?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
They were wearing the brick red jerseys and it was
a walk off against the Dodgers in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's all I remember.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
So the Good Morning video featured three greatest hits Marwin
Gonzalez in Los Angeles, not a walk off, but preceding
a barrage of Astros homers that would follow.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Joe Buck informed us that he had just tied it.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes, a barrage of Astros homers that would follow and
help the Astros ultimately win that World Series as it
exploded the other two greatest hits. Last night's was the
final of the three, and the one in the middle,
of course, was the A mere three games later, you
might call it the Alex Bregman single. I would call
it the Derek Fisher dash. There are some things in

(20:57):
the old noodle arm. There's a lot going Uh.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yasio Puig hit a home running that game because everybody
did didn't who didn't? No, here's the deal. Uh, there
is a pantheon. There is a you know, our own
little grace case.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I already know what you're gonna say, and I hate
to take the words out of your mouth. What is it?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
But for the second time in his career? You think
the Astros are going to vote Kenley Jansen a playoff share?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
No, No, but they should for twenty seventeen. I think
that ut USC in January two thousand and six is
the greatest college football game ever played, the greatest World
series game ever played that didn't determine a World Series.
Look caveat is Game five of twenty seventeen that close.
You'll find this is a huge surprise. You probably won't
even believe it. You'll probably say not.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I watched the ABC ESPN two minute intro to the
two thousand and six BCS National Title game just last night.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, you did not.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Just rolled across the timeline and I thought, well, I
gotta set everything aside, carve out of two minutes full
screen this and hits.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
As we dropped off my step daughter at Utio over
the weekend, I had to inform her. Hey, the clock
tower right over there, it says one. When they're number
one in the country. You'll hear all about Vince Young
because he's a legend on campus.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
There are number one in the country right now. The
volleyball team number one in the polls. I got nothing
on the football team's number four. That's not bad.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Is that the highest preseason they've been in quite some time?
In a bit, I thought, so, all right, we'll continue
here on a Tuesday edition of the eight Team Sports
Talks seven ninety. There is a familiar face, and I
mean real familiar that could be available. But could he
help the Astros and would the Astros even be interested?

(22:39):
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What's Up Houston?

Speaker 5 (23:35):
It is the A team Sportstock seven ninety Space City
Home Network Tuesday edition of the program. Astros getting the
opener of the Red Sox series. Boston has not yet
beaten the Astros this season. But I'm gonna get too cocky.
You never know what could could happen, especially tomorrow is
the great unknown. This is another one of those situations

(23:55):
where after today's show, we're gonna have two games take
place before the next time we'd get together and discuss things.
And that also means the latest. Justin Verlanders, start the
first thing's first, you got game two tonight. You've already
heard Joe a spot As say, Hey, Alex Bragman could
be available. I don't know, it's probably a good Crazier
things have happened. That's kind of how I approached that.

(24:16):
You heard the SoundBite last segment, I think, and I say,
you know, I'm saying this for I am going to
speak for you.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
In this case.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Because when Hector Narris late in the game, I might
add landed with the Chicago Cubs last offseason for what
was it nine million? I think we both were like, uh,
it was a good fit here. Pitched some big innings,
not the least of which was in Game six of

(24:44):
the twenty two World Series, you know, wishing the best
of luck because that was a little rich for the
Astros blood they can get reinforcements in the bullpen. And
although he was a pivotal part of what I just
talked about, he's not, you know, irreplaceable. It did not
go well for him this year, to the point where

(25:06):
not only was he given his walking papers, he's cleared waivers.
The obvious question begs.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Itself, is he having the worst season of his career? Yeah?
What'd you think I was gonna ask? I figured that
would be it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Uh, if you've put on an Astros uniform and either
you pitch or play a position or catch. Then people
wonder is there a chance he could come back here
this year? Who are you talking about? I'm talking about
Julie Oh. Who are you talking about? I'm talking about
Hector Naries. Who are you talking about? I'm talking about
Ryan Stanek. Who are you talking about? Well, I'm talking
about Phil Mayton. Who are you talking about? Will the

(25:43):
White Sox just told Maldonado to get lost?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I mean the.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
List of people we've discussed have had brought to our
attention over the course of this year shows you how
many different players have contributed to all these alcs.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
You mentioned Springer, Correa and Garrett Cole because waits not
realistic available, not been put through waivers or released or
TFA yet.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
But yeah, Hector Neris's is not a Chicago Cup. He
wasn't awful this year, but he was noticeably different than
last year. You know, the Astros after I don't even
know how many players are on the list right now,
considering Presley being on the IL. But where does your
your circle of trust, Who's on the inside, who's on
the outside. Here on August twentieth, if you're Joe Aspata

(26:26):
and Josh Miller and the rest of the team. I'm
Josh haters inside the circle of trust. Brian Abray, who
is inside the circle of trust. I'm sure Taylor Scott,
even with the home run allowed last night, is in
the circle of trust. Is anybody else that's currently on
the Astros roster as a bullpen arm inside the circle
of trust? At this point doesn't matter, because Caleb Ferguson's

(26:47):
going to throw, Caleb ort is going to throw. You're
going to have to put Sean Dubin out there. These
guys have to go out there. It's just a matter
of what when's the right spot to try to use them.
And remember they're in a stretch of games where they
are baseball, where they don't have days off, and you've
gone to leverage guys to help you close out victories.
In each of the last two games, you didn't have

(27:07):
but a one run lead. You didn't have any lead
until bejiner Diez hit his home run two days ago,
and then you didn't have a two to nothing lead
until you threw your last inning the three outs you
needed after Jose's home run. You didn't have the lead
at all in yesterday's game, until the ball crashed up
over near the tracks from Jiner. So you really haven't
presented your manager with the type of games where Okay,

(27:31):
I'll get five or six out of my starter, I'll
get an inning or two from Sean Duban, Caleb Ord
can close the door, and we can start pulling all
the numbers off the board that say Astros ten, other
team three, and everything's great. They just don't have very
many of those games. So the third of the Astros
pitchers to leave out of their middle relief corps, hector
neris with Mayton and Stanik leaving as well. A three

(27:52):
eighty nine ERA is what he had with the Cubs.
He closed for much of their season, had seventeen saves,
had a whip of one point five two three, which
is one of the worst marks of his career. His
strikeouts per nine inning it was nine point four, which
is the worst mark he's had since twenty fifteen. The
ERA at three eighty nine one of the higher numbers,

(28:14):
highest since twenty twenty or maybe twenty eighteen if you
want to toss out the COVID season a FIP of
four to oh nine highest since twenty fifteen. And I
was nice enough got the Wexley Research team out to
post that Twitter post on what some of his particulars
little dig down stats on what it looked like last

(28:37):
year for Hector Naris and this year for Hector Naris,
where he ranked from a percentile basis and expected batting average,
his fastball v low walk with chase percentage, things like that.
When you rank highly in those percentiles and they graph
it for you over at Baseball Savant, you see a
bunch of red, you see a bunch of nineties. You
see what is clearly excellence, and then it usually measure

(29:00):
up to what his actual numbers were, a one seventy
one ERA last year and a whip of one oh
five while posting his second consecutive seventy appearance season. He
threw in one hundred and forty one games in twenty
two and twenty three for the Astros. But like I
said in twenty twenty three, most of all those numbers
I suggested, hard hit percentage, Chase percentage, average, exit VELO,

(29:24):
expected ARA, all with red all in the eighties or nineties,
which is good when you're talking about percentile rankings. And
then when you flip over to twenty twenty four his
season thus far with the Cubs, he didn't have a
single number over sixty. None of the numbers are red
there in the Aqua and blue category. The only thing
that was shockingly almost identical despite dramatically different results his

(29:48):
fastball Velo. It was in the thirty third percentile in
twenty twenty four, it was in the thirty third percentile
in thirty second percentile in twenty twenty three. It was
the exact same number Vello on his fastball remains the same.
Ability to succeed, get hitters out, get hitters to chase,

(30:09):
get hitters to swing and miss, totally different. Not He
did not have a good season in Chicago, even with
a three eighty NINETYRA, which is clearly acceptable.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
How old is he.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's thirty five, He could be forty five for all
I can. If you're going after him, you're asking him
to give you fifteen outings tops, so something like that
over the course of the remainder of the season and
then on into the postseason if he's performed well enough.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
And I you know my next question, and I just
forgive me for not knowing this off the top of
my head. You know what was the going rate for
I mean, in this case, he became a closer in Chicago.
I don't know if that's what they brought him in
for initially.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
The opportunity to pitch later in the game, even though
he was a seventh eighth inning guy here for the
most part, he usually seventh eighth, Presley ninth for the
most part. He had a little bit closer opportunity to
the closer in Chicago, and then obviously the actual closer's
job is what he was for much of this year.
He strikes me as pretty much like most of the rest.

(31:10):
I don't have a tremendous amount of confidence in a
handful of the guys that are currently in uniform. I'm
not sure i'd have more confidence in Narris, but he's
done it before.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
You know him very well.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
The arsenal always has to be questioning here before what
were the Cubs doing with his pitch sinquen seeing with
what they wanted him to throw more frequently, how was
their plan of attack against certain hitters, certain lineups, certain
pockets which you can't deny it. And this is a
huge selling point for the Astros and free agency and
just everything else revolving around winning baseball. They just do

(31:42):
it better than everybody else. They found Cakuchi's magic. He
hadn't had four starts like this in forever well, beginning
of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
He was actually pretty good with Toronto.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But they just say, this is what you throw, this
is what you need to throw, this is a good
shape of your pitch, this is what's working for you,
this is how you should attack these inns.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Usually works, all right.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
We will continue to discuss the Astros in the midst
of this series with the Red Sox. We'll get into
some Texans conversation as well, and the Goat disagrees with
wex We'll explain that as well.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety Adam Clinton, Adam Wexler.
The eighteen can continue on Sports Talk seven ninety Goes.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
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Speaker 5 (32:34):
Winding down the three o'clock hour here on Sports Talk
seven ninety and Space City Home Network.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It is the A team ac right here.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
Adam Wexler over there, Dan the show Killer Matthews is
our producers. We take you up until six o'clock tonight.
Astros and Red Sox getting together for the second of
this three game set Day game tomorrow that'll start just
after one o'clock, So whenever that thing wraps up, we
will join you at the end of that one, which
will be the return of Justin Verlander to the rotation.

(33:03):
In the meantime, you've got game two of this series tonight,
following last night's thrilling walk off courtesy of Yin Or Diaz, who,
by the way, I go back and forth on this
because depending on who you talk to, Well, that's the
answer you're gonna get, or that's the debate you're gonna get.

(33:24):
Remember when Dusty Baker famously said you'll thank him later
for not bringing up yinor Diez and so you have
two camps basically on a night like that.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Are you sure he didn't said you'll laugh later, or
that was Jack Easterby, Yes, you'll laugh later. It was Jack.
You'll thank me later, was Dusty? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I mean when he said it, I do remember it.
I think everybody knows I was rather rhetorical. I do
remember it, and I kind of understood where he was
coming from, as in, there are ways that this team succeeds,
and he'll become a better player by learning and not
by learning on the job, but by learning from somebody
who's really really good at it in the astro's mind,
and that obviously is Martin Maldonado. And good at it

(34:05):
I mean leading a pitching staff, preparing a pitching staff,
doing the research for a pitching staff, and commanding the
game from behind the plate. I don't mean standing at
the plate with a bat in your hand, because that's
obviously not what Martin was very good at, and it
is what Yiner was exceptional at from the moment he
became a major leaguer, and certainly throughout the twenty twenty
three season when he got extended playing time, and now

(34:25):
even more so this year. Some a bunch of his
numbers this year, by the way, aren't even as good
as they were a year ago. That's how unbelievably successful
he was a last year in some areas, probably worth
noting that batting average in a little bit more pressure situations,
ops in those pressure situations, runners in scoring position, et cetera.
He wasn't real good last year, and this year he's

(34:47):
really really, really good if runners in scoring position, but
there's not a runner on every base, and he gets
a lot of those at bats. But He's yet to
really drive home a double triple homer and kind of
end a game, but he said it, and I think
that was his motivation behind how he handled things. And
I do think he was also protecting the individual pitchers

(35:08):
from having to do something publicly that might not sound
very good. I don't want to throw to Yiner. I'd
prefer to throw to Martine. However, you want your pitchers
to not have to say that publicly. That's why Dusty
did a lot of those things. And if you can't
be the catcher because somebody else is their preferred player
and the manager believes in that player enough for what
he can do for the team, well then you're not

(35:29):
going to play yet. And there was never any doubt
that to me that Janner Diez not only could hit
in this league, but can be an everyday catcher. He's
proving that this year. Victor Caratini has been a tremendous
asset to this team and he is probably going to
catch every game that you say Kakuchi throws. So we
actually do have a personal catcher this year, but it's
for totally different reasons. The Astros again best pitching staff

(35:54):
in baseball for almost one hundred games now since they
went to Mexico.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Ratter than Seattle.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Why is there there shouldn't be they're obviously JANR. Diaz
can catch and call games and guide his pitchers. Especially.
Look at who he's guiding. He's guiding Hunter Brown, He's
guiding Renelle Blanco, He's guiding from ber Valdetz. This group
is not a who's who of whatever guy behind the plate.
I'm going to the Hall of Fame, whatever guy behind
the plate. Look at all these rings and championships and

(36:22):
MVPs that I have. He's he's learning as they're learning. Yeah,
and he's doing a tremendous job. Help from a lot
of different angles, Alex Bregman, the pitching staff, the development,
all those things. But yes, now's probably the time I'll
thank Dusty, thank you, thank you for what you saw.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Okay, that's the thing I wanted to get to because
isn't this is another example of basically America in twenty
twenty four. Isn't it amazing how you can take whatever
issue it is and two different people, two different camps,
can look at it completely differently, even though it's the
same exact thing that both sides are seeing.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Now, nobody in here would ever do that.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
No, not you, Jack. We're not gonna laugh later. It's
not gonna happen. You're out of here. Beat it. But no,
this is a situation where you're gonna have people that
are like, what was he thinking last year? Why didn't
he play more? If he had, they win the ALCS.
You could say the same thing about if Fromber had
been this version of Fromber, you probably win the Alcs

(37:19):
in five games even, and then there's.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Gonna be the other side. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
See, Dusty was right, he gets the credit. It's the
same exact thing we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Even though I think you could say both are right,
you could say both are wrong. I was you guys
heard us last year. You might not have seen us
last year, it's only been two days here on Space
City Home Network, but you probably saw us at the
ballpark preod posts. For all the postseason games, Martin Maldonado
was in the lineup and Jiner Diaz was available off
of the bench and got his handful of postseason opportunities.

(37:51):
Very difficult to succeed in those situations. As we documented
at the time, there was a lot of angst over
the final three months of the season. It was kind
of the why isn't Young playing and why is Dusty
giving putting to Chas McCormick. Why aren't these guys out
there more often? And I think they actually played more
than people believed they played. In Yiner's case, he just
wasn't the everyday catcher and nobody was willing to realize

(38:14):
he was still in the lineup. There was value for
our team, that is clear. No one's saying otherwise. But
I don't know that not having Yiner play more last
year has anything to do with Yiner being good this year,
unless you think he was. He really needed a kind
of a lesson, a hard lesson, and we're not putting
you out there because you're not doing the things necessary

(38:36):
to help our team from a pitching standpoint, and you're
that far away. I never believed it, but I'm not
inside Dusty is Joe is for that matter, which I
find interesting exactly Joe's been here through all of this
learning process for Yiner to become an everyday guy, to
become the guy that spends time before the games with
the pitchers to figure out a game plan, how to
execute the game plan, framing pitches, all these things that

(38:58):
go with it. I mean, I liked what Yiner did,
especially in yesterday's game. You mentioned the umpire earlier. He
was behind the plate catching pitches and showing the umpire
his feelings very clearly, which I think is fine. It's
not the end of the world when your catcher pauses
before he throws the ball back to his pitcher, because
everybody in the building, including the batter, knows it was

(39:19):
a strike and the umpire didn't do anything. Also not
a problem when he's at the plate in the eighth
inning and takes a ball off the plate that's called
a strike and he doesn't agree with it and he
said something. It's a problem that he called the timeout
and then called the second time out and thus got
wrung up.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
But the attitude brings off that shouldn't be in baseball.
I'm sorry. Like when that kind of stuff happens, especially
in a one run game, especially late.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I mean, you're just picking and choosing when you don't
like the rule. No, I don't like it at all.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Ever, it's the same like you know, have automated balls
and strikes and get rid of all the clocks because
you know what you're wanting to speed up the game, right.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So now you don't want to see any tweets coming
out in the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's say, game time two hours, five minutes. I don't
care if you are.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
If you're so fickle that you need the game to
be only two hours so that your twenty four hour
news cycle attention span can pay attention to all nine innings,
then go find another sport. That's honestly how I feel
about it. And I realized that's the anti, that's the anti.
Grow the game.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Get out of here.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
I don't want you, I don't care like it's I
don't think you should like I get one in casual fans.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Game really changed other than the tenth inning nonsense like
speeding it up?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Is it? Is it that? That's another thing that's just
a separate issue. I think that's absolutely sped the game up.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
But what caught like last night that imagine that happens
in a World Series game, because it will someday it
will and whatever team does not benefit from that.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
That fan base they know the rules by now. I
just yeah, well learn learn the new rules. But this
game of tradition, and that's steeped in tradition. We're not
going to change other things, and we're definitely not going
to put up an available system that can absolutely get
all the calls right either.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
We're not going to do that. Our number two.

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Speaker 1 (42:13):
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Speaker 5 (42:26):
A back at it here on a Tuesday edition of
the program Sports Talk seven to ninety and now proudly
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program wex over there ac right here. Dan Matthews, the
showkiller is our producers. We take you up until six

(42:47):
o'clock tonight. A lot of astros discussion in that first
hour as they take the first of three against the
Red Sox last night over at Minute made you have
game two tonight. Renelle Blanco on the bump. Nick Pavetta
not to be confused with Dick Bavetta. That's like not
a modern reference even a little bit. How long has
he been retired, by the.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Way, more than the years that provide you the buffer
to mention his name.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
You mention it between twelve and three five years? Is
it cut off? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
And it's way beyond that. Oh okay, way way way
beyond it.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
I think there's still some people that might know that
he and Charles Barkley had a race at the All
Star Game one time.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh he's a fun loving guy. Yeah, most one of
the more well liked officials in the National Basketball Association.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Once upon a time. M hm.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
But he gone all right, So, uh, that'll be your
matchup tonight. Of course, Justin Verlander returns to the rotation tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
What roster moves.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Boy, they have been busy, have the astros with roster
moves lately. And that's sometimes a good thing. Sometimes it
isn't depending on what situation you're talking about. We're hoping
that a roster move isn't needed, uh, for an Alex
Bregman situation, since well, Joe's spot saying last hour, they.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Could even you could even maybe see him tonight.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Probably not likely, but it's it's at least a good
sign that they're even talking like that as opposed to, well,
he's definitely not gonna be in this Boston series and
you might be lucky if you see him in the
Baltimore series, because again, after this one's over, it really
gets tough like this is just an appetizer. The White
Sox were supposed to be this fluff that you swept
out of the.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Way that didn't go according to plan.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Over the weekend, the Red Sox come in licking their
chops because they want some revenge for what happened not
all that long ago at Finway, as the Astros swept
them out of their own park. And then the Astros
get that win last night, hoping it still do damage
and continue to increase their lead in the Al West.
But after that Baltimore for four on the road, followed

(44:46):
by three in Philadelphia against the Phillies, and then you're
gonna come home for four against Kansas City. This is
a murderer's row of murderers row schedules for the Astros
right now.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
But like we highlighted in.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
The first hour, the Seattle Mariners continue to cooperate, as
do frankly, the Dodgers do.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
We have to thank the Dodgers for it.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Has less to do with the other teams, I think,
and much more to do with the Mariners.

Speaker 7 (45:11):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
The only team that has had trouble with the Mariners
basically than the last month is the Mets. Mets went
to Seattle for a three game series and scored a
rollover in the final game, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, shut out twice.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
We're non competitive and that was the only time the
Mariners and their fans have felt good since they left
for their All Star break. That's why the Astros have
not only passed them, they've shot passed them. The Astros
have won seven times in twenty six games. They won
twelve times in thirty six games to open the season.
They have a five game lead in their division. Hard

(45:43):
to believe. The math is mathing because not only do
you have to be awesome, the other team has to
be awfull. The Astras have the best record in baseball.
The Mariners have the third worst record in baseball over
that same time period. That's how you've managed to not
only catch them, but again blow past them. Walk Buller
and Miller are the two pitching combatants Tonight Late Night

(46:04):
in La Bueller's had a very very awful season in
trying to regain the forum post surgery, and the Mariners
will see if they can take advantage of it. They
just haven't been able to hardly. Ever, the Astros did
make a move today. Already getting Ben Gammel off of waivers,
Clann sending JP Frantz, who had been on the injured

(46:26):
list at the minor league level for weeks now on
the sixty day IL the major league level, so again
off of the forty man. Gamble has not been a
productive major leaguer for several years. Last two years, he's
barely played. Most of this year he spent as Drew
Gilbert's teammate in Syracuse for the Mets at the Triple
A level, where his numbers are perfectly fine. They're actually

(46:48):
very good, and it's another major league caliber player based
on the back of his baseball card. But that's what
Omar and narvaaz is also down at Triple A. Another
catcher gave him, gives them some depth, gives them an
option if they keep cycling through these young players. And
these young players just keep striking out. I mean, I

(47:08):
don't want to do them a disservice by calling them.
What's the difference between them, you know, Pedro Cabbage or
Zach Whitcomb. I mean, they keep producing in the same manner,
which is to say, just far too many empty at bats.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
He's a little bit of a change.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Maybe last night with Whitcomb and maybe this third time
up for Tray Cabbage will be different. Last night did
not look like it with two very bad at bats
and inability to make contact with the baseball. So maybe
gamble becomes another option. But like I said, he's had
a very ledmisdas like twenty twenty four to say he
was not useful at the major league level for the
team that employed him, and they will have a decision

(47:44):
to make with their roster to get Justin Verlander back
on it. He's on the fifteen day IL, so obviously
he's still on the forty man roster. But in order
to activate him, you're gonna go with the six man rotation.
You obviously are taking a pitcher off of the current mix.
F Martinez has not appeared since he returned when Ryan

(48:04):
Presley went on the IL. I don't know if that
means he's the first in line. Sean Dubin still success
or not. Is a little bit more of a long reliever,
can give you six outs, maybe nine on occasion. I
don't think they're ready to close the door on Caleb
Ferguson just yet after acquiring him with the deadline looked
a little bit better in his outing last night, to

(48:24):
be sure, but those are among the options you could consider.
Brian King, but he's been very successful. I think Caleb
Ortz been very successful. So I don't think it's an
earth shattering decision, whoever it turns out to be. But
based on the fact that Martinez was the one they
sent down the first time in recent days, he may
just be the same one this time.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Come tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
We have not talked a ton of NFL. We will
get to some Texans thoughts. But I so I was
digging around earlier, and you know Tom Brady. I don't
put it this way. I don't know if Tom Brady
is doing this stuff to not draw He doesn't need
to draw attention to himself. But he is going into

(49:07):
a new foray, a new avenue of of him, of
his resume, and that's being on Fox. He is the
Tony Romo of Fox. I'm just kidding that was that
was such an insult to him.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
True, he's on the number one team, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
But I don't want to call him the Tony Romo
of anything, because well, he won when he played and
he's not as obnoxious. I don't think or if he
is obnoxious for very different reasons. Also divorced Unlike Tony. Wow,
that's you missed the last segments mean comment, so you
know you get to do another one this segment it's
I like it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I like it a lot. Now presenting the roast of
Tony Romo. Are you watching? Yeah? Who's on it? Jerry Jones?
For sure?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
I could stare at their losing record in the postseason
and die laughing.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Like, how how bad of a uniformer or how good
of a perform or you decide would Jim Nancy in
this setting with what you're supposed to say and a
dead pan because nobody's been with him publicly a celebrity
broadcaster more than Jim.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Plus Jim's a pros pro.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
He would absolutely rise to the ocase he would't even
have to rise to the occasion.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
See, you're answering it correctly.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Someone who doesn't do that and then has people help
write him stuff to do that kills every time.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
They're so good. Gronk's a maniac. He can do anything
but spike the shot glass and someone got injured. Yeah
that's what he does.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
But yeah, okay, so Tom Brady the broadcaster is talking
real quickly. Yes, Jessica Simpson, of course, I mean it's
probably see that's more like.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
See.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
She would be the equivalent of Kim Kardashian appearing at
the Brady.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Well there's two though, Carrie Underwood. He dated her too.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Right, but she's it's so far removed now. She might
appear in the Ben Affleck manner that Ben appeared at
Brady's roast at the end, never on stage, give your
terrible jokes and the the worst one up there. Yes,
like by far, but again Carrie's pretty likable. They probably
would write her up some good stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Well, to be fair to Ben Affleck, he had probably
gotten out of a vehicle with Jennifer Lopez recently too.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Another straight man who would need to have good stuff
written for him, who has previously performed poorly on television
would be there.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Jason Witten performed poorly on television. Is so nice. That's
putting it very lightly, all right.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
So Tom Brady was talking about rookie quarterbacks in today's NFL,
and it was a very different opinion on what one
half of the A team has said on this very
show before. Take a listen, as it pertains to how
rookie quarterbacks should be used in the NFL today.

Speaker 8 (51:46):
There used to be college programs. Now there are college teams.
You're no longer learning a program, You're learning a playbook,
and the program is ultimately like a Michigan For me,
that was a pro style program. Five years. I got
to learn how to drop back pass, to read defenses,
to recoverages, to be coached. I had to learn from
being seventh quarterback on the depth chart to moving up

(52:07):
to third to ultimately being a starter. I had to
learn all those things in college. That was development. Then
I went to New England and I was developed by
coach Belichick and the offensive staff there. I didn't start
my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that
we're forcing these rookies to play early.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
But the reality is the only.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
Reason why that is because we've dumb the game down,
which has allowed them to play.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
It used to be thought of at a higher level.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason
in training camp trying to be a little bit better
than next year. But I think what happens is discourages
the coaches from going to deep levels because they realize
the players don't have the opportunity to go to a
deep level, so they're just going.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
To teach them where they're at.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I think this is fascinating when you consider that, probably
one of the biggest compliments that you could give and
has been given to CJ. Stroud is the level of
IQ he has as a quarterback in the NFL, and
he has that as a rookie. He had it already.
There's no reason to think that's going to go away
from his game this year. Lots of factors go into this,

(53:09):
and we can probably bleed this over into the next segment,
but it's for him to say that of all people
before he's ever even started broadcasting on a single NFL game,
was fascinating to me.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Right before he made those comments, did he turn sixty?
Like is he now seventy five years old?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Are you saying that he's an old man not.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Really very far removed from the current game and he's
talking about it like he's been out of the game
for thirty years and the game stinks now. But back
in mind, it's dumb down. He was just in it.
He just played It's again. I want to talk about
this when we come back because we're a little late.
But I like for him, of all people, to be
saying that very fascinating, especially when as it pertains to

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Speaker 5 (55:10):
Eight team rolling along here four o'clock hour on a
Tuesday edition of the program, wexed ac with you up
until six o'clock. So Tom Brady comes out says, basically,
the NFL's dumbed down rookies shouldn't be playing, or at
least they didn't go that way. He mentioned being a
seventh stringer at Michigan, and then of course he mentioned

(55:31):
how coach Belichick and his staff kind of turn him
into a winning quarterback. I find it fascinating when you
think back to Tom Brady's career, different stages of it.
He was that seventh stringer and he did basically only
get the shot because Drew Bledsoe got hurt. Another guy

(55:52):
who was at the roast. That was phenomenal the way
he delivered some of those lines. But and I brought
this up to day is because you were adamant about
not just CJ. Stroud, but any of these guys that
come out, play them, play them, now, play them soon.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I did.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Any is a touch strong because I am citing the
specific players we've seen get to the league the last
couple of years, and maybe it's not all of them,
and so many have been drafted so high. Yeah, it
pretty much is all of them, and I think we're
gonna see it again. Outside of JJ McCarthy. Expect every
one of them to be a starter. Jaden Daniels has
been named the starter. Caleb Williams is so named the

(56:33):
starter in Chicago. He didn't play in the first preseason
game against the Texans. He's not going to play in
the last preseason game for the Bears this weekend.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
He did play in two of them because the Bears,
like the Texans, had four games, but he's already done
preparing in game as he should be. I think you've
got to protect your guy a little bit more by
why put him out there and harm's way If no
need is it is not really necessary. I think Drake
may should be the starter in New England. I expect
that to happen, but he hasn't played, they haven't used

(57:02):
him in that way, so I'm not guaranteeing it. Michael
Pennix is a special case. None of the other guys
have Kirk Cousins in their quarterback room. He does, so
he's obviously not going to be the starter, and bo
Nick should be the starter with Denver quite to me,
quite obviously, and in bow Nick's case, there's some similarities.
I think you could draw it to Tom Brady and
that at the beginning of his career it took a

(57:24):
little time. Is clearly wasn't supremely successful at Auburn. He
probably left for greener pastures knowing what the offense would
be like there. I don't think anybody expected him to
put up the kind of numbers and have the kind
of enormous offensive success at Oregon, even though he's really talented,
but it didn't really match what they were doing at

(57:45):
Auburn at all. It's kind of how Tom finished his
career at Michigan. And I know here in Texas people
remember maybe you were on the other side of it
than I am, But how stupid it was for Mac
Brown to do what he did with the clear obvious
better college quarterback Major Apple White and say now we're
gonna go ahead and play Chris sims Well. Michigan did

(58:07):
the same thing with Tom Brady and Drew Henson. Drew Henson,
huge recruit, two sports star guy, probably could go right
to baseball if he wanted leverage against Michigan. And he
decides to play him and Tom Brady and they're in
a battle and they're splitting time and again, you're not
necessarily there to develop NFL players, Just ask gerben Meyer.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
You're there to win and cheat and do whatever you can.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Anything that happens after that, that's not your fault or
you're doing whatever. So I'm not blaming the coaches. What
you should do in college those win, that's what you're
trying to do. And playing these other less talented college
quarterbacks was dumb. And though that's the main reason why
Tom's college time has looked at that way, it's accurate.
He has somewhat accurate viewpoint of it. He lived it,

(58:50):
for crying out loud, but he should have never been
off the field. In my opinion, he was just flat
out better in college then Drew Henson was. Now clearly
I'm not gonna say there's any reason to compare them
at the NFL level because there is no comparison. Heck,
Charlie Casserley us Drew Henson as a middle round trade
chip at one time. He had to work out for
other teams while he was a Texan because he wasn't

(59:12):
ever gonna play here. It's comedy at its finest. But
to what Tom said, he absolutely sounds like someone who's
been away from the league forever. He sounds like someone
who doesn't believe anybody can do what he and Bill
Belichick did, even though we're all watching Patrick Mahomes and
Andy Reid repeat it and do very similar things to
what they did in terms of winning a ton. How

(59:32):
are you winning the AFC? You had to beat Tom
Brady and the Patriots and it did not happen very often. Well,
how do you win the AFC now? Well, nobody's doing it.
Joe Burrow did it once. These guys are going to
the AFC title game every year, they're going to the
Super Bowl nearly every year. Now they're looking to do
what the Patriots never did, which is win a third
Super Bowl. And we are watching these young players play like,

(59:54):
what does he have on his side of the argument.
The way Sam Howell played poorly, the way Desmond Ritter
played poorly, the way Bryce Young played poorly. I'm not
sure what he's pointing at. And if he thinks the
game's dumbed down, he could have a point, But guess
who cares? Nobody, Nobody, just do people dislike the product.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
If you're gonna say dumb down, you should probably explain
what you mean extensively.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
And I would love to hear some people react to
this comment like you, guys, you whoever? This is a coordinator,
a former quarterback, a current quarterback, and OC a quarterback
the enemy. Okay, maybe him, I mean he'd be a
special case. And how much he's worked with Mahomes right, Like, well, well,
Mahomes is probably part of this conversation for the other
we're living a narrative in Houston, Ohio state quarterbacks can't

(01:00:43):
play in the NFL. Stupidest thing ever, Pat Mahomes is
driving away another narrative. Oh, you played in this stupid system,
this how mummy Mike Leech, Cliff Kingsbury, nonsense, You can't
play in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
How stupid are these people? Really? If you can play,
you can play Pat Mahomes could play at Tech.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Well, that's like asking, well, if if he had just
been thrown right in there as a rookie as opposed
to sitting for Alex Smith for one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Year, would he have been doing all these amazing things?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I guess he would like, Do you like just answer
point blank, no, no discussion necessary. Do you think if
he had started the second he got there, and Alex
Smith was either on the bench or not in town,
we'd be watching at different Mahomes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
No, neither do I No. And here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Tom Brady is by and large considered by most people,
most people to be the greatest of all time, mainly
because but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
He didn't he.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Tom Brady the quarterback at any point during his career,
by the way, late stage where he won at the
highest level Tampa, going back to when he replaced Bledsoe,
all along the way, pretty much the same quarterback. I mean,
everybody evolves, everybody, but the style. He's not going to run,
He's not going to be a fast move out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
He is a pocket quarterback, super super cerebral guy. A
lot of of prep, a lot of film work, a
lot of stuff that does goes on that nobody sees
not to mention the I mean, you want to get
into the avocado ice cream side. I think think of
the football side of it, the dumbing down of it,
and I think of college football when we see Nicks.

(01:02:23):
You know, Colt McCoy some other passers. I say Colt
because he just announced his retirement this week. He's going
into broadcasting, not very surprisingly, just now retired. He's gonna well,
he's been in the NFL as a backup for a
very long time. He got the car, got into the
analyst side of things, doing a lot of podcast work
on current quarterbacks, and now he's going to do some
big ten work. But some of the completion percentages, these

(01:02:45):
college quarterbacks were entering the NFL with sixty nine, seventy two,
seventy three, and what Knicks put up this year, I
think that's viewed as dumbing down the game a little bit.
Another aspect of it is they break the huddle, they
go up to the line of scrimmage, they all bend
over in unison, and then they all stand up and
look at the sidelines. What cards are our coaches holding
up for us? What play does they want us to run?

(01:03:07):
We can't think for ourselves. We can't audible, we can't change,
we can't make calls. We literally do whatever they say
on every play, and don't think while we're out there.
I kind of agree with some of those dumbing down principles,
but that you're the actual football I think we're talking
about the short passing game. We're talking about high completion rates,
moving the chains. That's Patriots football. Yeah, they did that forever. Now,

(01:03:31):
you had Randy Moss at times. You know, I'm not
saying you never threw deep, but this guy's throwing forty
passes a game, forty five fifty in the Super Bowl
because they're just beating you down with first down, first down.
Edelman here, Amondola there, Welker there, Dion Branch over and
over and over, throwing to James White a billion times,
throwing to Kevin Fallk a billion times. I mean, is
that not dumb down? I mean, I don't know what

(01:03:52):
dumb down even means. It's smart, it works, whatever works
shouldn't be considered dumb down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
And going back to the style of play, he's very
different from Homes, He's very different from pick any quarterback
really even Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
You could you could see.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Big differences between these two guys' style of play, how
they approach any given situation on the field, whether it's
a checkdown or an open receiver or what you know,
whatever the situation is, to time of the game, the
type of decisions you make relative to how close you are.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
To the end zone in the red zone. What I mean.
There's so many different scenarios.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
But I feel like it's important to point out because
of him saying dumb down that it's never been more
of a passing league. It's never been more of a Okay,
how can I gimmick? How can I outsmart the defensive
coordinator that's opposing me on the sideline on any given
Sunday or whatever day it is you're playing that game,

(01:04:52):
and just do innovative things to capitalize on a very,
very pass heavy NFL. I don't think by definition you
can call it a dumbed down league when you have
to be that way each and every week to succeed
in what is a pass heavy NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
With it was more normal to draft a player even
high and have him watch and have him learn, and
also have a quarterback worth learning from that's another part
of what is kind of missing now, Like JJ McCarthy,
what's he gonna learn from Sam Darnold, Like, I know
you have a veteran there, but he's really gonna learn it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
He watching in front of you. On the depth chart,
guess who Tom Brady learned from?

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
And a really good Super Bowl statue of Liberty quarterback
Drew Bledsoe. That's a big, big difference. Who did Pat
Mahomes learn from? Alex Smith, who'll be sharing the desk
with Mike Greenberg this upcoming season for the four letter
for him?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
An interesting choice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
There, but an interesting comment and we're gonna get a
lot more of him this year. From Tom Brady the broadcaster,
as we're halfway home here on the A.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
We're talking a lot about the state of the quarterback game,
the offensive game in the NFL, and Tom Brady's recent comments. Again,
there was a huge fanatics fest this past couple of days,
so a bunch of people were basically in a setting
where they were asked a lot of questions about this.
That's why we have so many items like those. Peyton
yesterday and Tom Brady today. Tom out in Cyprus wants

(01:07:14):
to weigh in on the conversation we were just having
about Tom Brady and quarterbacks and offense in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
What do you got to say with for us today? Tom?

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
Hey, great stuff, guys, I got a lot to say
about Brady, so I'm going to start slow. I think
Brady's one hundred percent correct that the NFL does not
developed quarterbacks. They don't look at all these quarterbacks that
they bring onto the field as rouches. How many of
them really developed in two to three to five years.
There's not many. Look at Carolina. I mean, I know

(01:07:45):
he got hurt, But as far as what Brady brings
to the table, as far as his abilities, the guy's
the best that's ever been on the field. Yes he's
got an ego, Yes he brings a lot to the table.
But I think he's going to be the type of
analyst that is going to be like John Madden. He's
not gonna be glugarious like John Madden. He's not going
to be, you know, everybody's friend, but he's going to

(01:08:08):
be showing things to people that the viewers going to
meat up. He's already done it when he's been on
as a guest on other shows.

Speaker 11 (01:08:16):
So I agree with him. You know, it's hard not
to the guys. He's just a natural. People like him.
He's affable. I mean, I'm sure the women are going
to start watching more games. Tell me that Tom Brady's
you know right, Tell me that Tom Brady's not gonna
draw more people to watch the game that he debuts

(01:08:36):
This weekend than any other game that's on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, there's the amount of money he was given without
ever having done it is just a clear indicator of it.
Fox is banking on him bringing eyeballs to games, even
though most of the time all you're getting from Tom
Brady is his voice. Even though it's a TV game,
you don't see them hardly at all, and I do.
We're gonna have to let you go there, Tom. I
appreciate the angle that you're bringing up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I think what what we kind of argued about and
had some disagreements with in the opening segment didn't really
get at the point you're making here. And I actually
think you're also right, which would make Tom Wright. I
don't think the NFL is developing quarterbacks because I don't
think they believe it's worth it for them. What they're
trying to do is win immediately. Look at how quickly

(01:09:24):
these quarterbacks are cast aside top picks. How about their
head coaches? Definitely that is part of a big, huge
part of it. They don't have the time anymore because
they believe there's too much money to be made by
elevating their status as a team from bottom of the
league uninteresting to getting our fans energized into winning. I mean,

(01:09:45):
what the Texans did is not going to is not commonplace.
I mean they had a star quarterback and with him
for one year and without him for two years, they
went into laughing stock status. They won four games with
him and then went two seasons winning seven times without him,
and now they're well, the hottest pick to be a
challenger to the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC immediately

(01:10:07):
after one unbelievable draft, and obviously other bits and pieces
to it. Demiko's hiring some other players like Stingley Junior, etc.
But developing quarterbacks, Drafting a quarterback outside of the first
round that you're going to put in time and effort
to well, he's certainly not going to develop unless you
play him at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And when is that going to be?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
If you draft a middle round quarterback like say Dak
Prescott or Russell Wilson, neither of whom were expected to
play early. Russell Wilson quite obviously beat out Matt Flynn.
It was so clear to them in Seattle when they
were both brought in, we can't not play him. And
Dak Prescott we were talking about Tony Romo that clearly
was related to why he was out there and then

(01:10:48):
never relinquished it. It's I mean, they're not going to
be very many more of those unless those scenarios present.
Quarterbacks get drafted in the third and fourth round, but
the only reason they play is because either you're trying
to lose see Davis Mills, or you've had horrific injury
luck with the player you want to play ahead of them.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Who was the predecessor to Russell Wilson? I can't even remember.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
One of the bald Hasselebcks.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
That sounds right, And they went to the postseason with
one of those bald guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Not real good at coin tosses and stuff, but.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
We're gonna score, sure, Charlie Whitehurst. I mean he was
never the guy. He might have thrown passes for them,
But what that's my question. What was the scenario? I mean,
Tavaris Jackson was probably there also with hassele Beck.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
There's a name I haven't heard in a while. What
was this scenario in which he got the starting job?
They didn't have a quarterback. Hassele Beck was done, Jackson
wasn't worth moving forward with, and so they tried both
of those guys to move forward with, and Wilson was
the better one, by the way, just because they immediately
started winning, right, they had.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
An amazing defense. Sure, but he goes also very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I mean it's not like personally offensive to me, but
people are going to I think, forget how good Russell
Wilson was at winning games and playing quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
That's what happened, extremely high level. That's what happens when
you stay too long.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Well no, it's what happens when people pick things about
you to be angry about, and thus they just hang
on to that. Instead of thinking about him playing in
back to back Super Bowls, they think about, well, yeah
he threw the dumb pass. Yeah he's danger Russ Wilson.
Yeah he's mister unlimited. Yeah he played in Denver. He stinks.
I mean that's all I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
He didn't do all that, They wouldn't have to think
about those things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Well, those aren't the most important thing. The most important
things are almost a decade of excellence.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
And being married to a pop star. That's true too, Now,
I just I couldn't think of the scenario. And he's
another guy that played early. You mentioned Dak those are
I always say this and it's wrong. Russell was a
third round under correct. I always feel like, for whatever reason,
he was also a fol because I know Dak was
a fourth rounder.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You mentioned Davis Mills, but he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Either drafted under those same parameter. There weren't There weren't
hopes for that. He just was They thought of, heck,
the guy's a backup quarterback. I think they've done fine
with that, Picky. They haven't done anything to try to
win with him, so he kind of got lumped in there.
He still makes decisions you wish you wouldn't, and that's
why I don't think he'll ever be a full time starter,
but a long time NFL backup that's absolutely in the

(01:13:30):
cards for Davis Mills.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
And again that's what makes I keep jumping to the
next topic. That just it makes this topic has so
many tentacles, and it makes me think of other situations
around the NFL at that position. That's why twenty twenty
four is going to be absolutely positively fascinating for the
Dallas Cowboys. It is truly a make or break season

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for the organization. Yes, the quarterback's are part of that,
but they're to be scattered to the wind in all likelihood,
or at least they probably should be if they don't.
Not only you can't just win twelve thirteen games or
the division. You have to actually accomplish something this time around.
So whether or not that happens is going to go
a long way towards determining, you know, what we have

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in Dallas and what we're looking at, more importantly in
the future post twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I mean, it's it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I still think with the time we have before the
season starts, there's definitely going to be a contract for
ce Lamb, and I'm I'm pushing up to say I'm
about at eighteen percent. I was at two percent a
week ago. Dak will also get a deal, still on
the low end, but I think it's definitely something that
they're considering doing because of the alternative. Hey, we're not

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going to develop a quarterback, because nobody does that anymore
here in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
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Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Yeah, first time we had this discussion. It could have
been utilized for this, and it certainly should be now.
Dana Brown and some of the decisions that he's made
as he's continued to try to keep this team at
the top of the American League some really good ones,
a lot of really good decisions. The decisions to say,

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here's what we're going to spend on our middle relievers
this year. Now, granted we're going to spend all that
money on our closer and now we're paying our closer
a ton of money. Ryan Presley makes a lot of money.
Nobody else in the bullpen now that Montero isn't here
makes any money. Another good decision, yes, but just the
he' revamped the entire middle relief group in one off season.

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A lot of it due to finances, but the other
part of it due to the same reasons. People are
always concerned about paying middle relievers. You want to get
him on the front side. You want to get them
for nothing while they're pitch well, rather than giving him
the contract and then seeing if they continue to pitch well.
It's a dangerous game to play, but most good teams
play it and usually have pretty good success with it.
And that's why players like Taylor Scott come in and

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pitch well. I know Seth Martinez was a guy who
just got sent down and just got brought back up,
but he's been very successful this year. Neither of them
make a whole lot of money. You hope guys in
the system can fill in those holes, those gaps. They
went out and got a player in the Yanar Diaz
trade who worked out very well for them. They got
a player in free agency from the Phillies that worked
out very well for them. They got a player in

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free agency from Tampa that worked out well for them,
And those last three players I mentioned were all looking
for longer term, bigger money deals and they got him
from somebody else. And now, counting this latest addition to
that trio during twenty twenty four, they're all going to
pitch for at least two teams. One of them's pitching

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for his third team. So there there's reasons why he
did what he did, and to me, it's worked out
tremendously well. Some of the other moves that they've made
on the lower end have also worked out, and all
things considered, he's had to deal with problems the other
two gms that preceded him didn't. Clearly, these situation's very

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different from Luno because Luno was on the other side
of winning and was trying to build everything from the
ground up and then was working through I've got so
many players in the system that are gonna play well
for us that I have enough players in the system
that I can trade off to get players who are
clearly gonna play great for us. Trades for each of
those three ace pitchers, there's no real situation where Dana

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Brown has the assets to trade for and in his
prime ace pitcher. He did obviously trade for a guy
whose last name is Verlander last year at the deadline,
so I can't say he's never done it, but I
don't consider the Verlander they acquired at the twenty three
deadline even close to the Verlander they acquired at the
twenty seventeen secondary deadline. By the way, awesome, awesome story

(01:19:58):
from Chandler Rome this morning in The Athletic about Old
Dominion Justin Verlander talked to classmates, roommates, teammates, coaches of
his and it's little insight into what college life was
like living with JV and the attitude that he had then,

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which has played very well for him considering the attitude
and success he has now. So, like I said, check
it out there in the Athletic, But otherwise, I think
there's a lot of things that people might should give
Dana Brown a little bit more credit for as the
results are what they are. They won a ton of
games in year one when he took over and almost

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made it to the World Series. They are on their
way to winning a ton of games in year two.
They don't have the talent that the World Series team
in twenty two had the World Series losing team in
twenty nineteen, or twenty one had the World Series winning
team in seventeen. It's really not even close, and it
gets even further away considering two of their four five

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best hitters. I don't know how long Bregman will be out,
so maybe I should just leave it as one. You've
seen less of Kyle Tucker than you've seen of Kyle
Tucker this season, with him being out since or June third. Now,
and all they've done it really didn't even slow them down.
Then nothing's really changed. They've actually won more and now
it's a credit to everybody, not just Dana Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Joe spotted it. Doesn't know what he's doing here. This
team's lost nineteen times in twenty six games. Does he
know what he's doing now? And I'm not even saying
he makes all the right moves. I think even on
this home stand, there have been decisions. I seriously questioned
last night's game, bringing in Scott and some other not
pinch hitting in other situations. Pinch hit late with John
Singleton and he homered in the ninth th inning. Well,

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why don't you pinch hit for him in the same
situation a couple innings earlier, when you had two runners on.
There's lots of things that might not work.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
But what Dusty I thought, did get credit for and
was exceptional at it. In all of his stops, he
always had his guys ready to play. They were always
ready to be in the lineup. They were always ready
to contribute off the bench, whether it was the guys
in the bullpen or the guys on the bench. And
I definitely think even with less to work with, look
at all these rookies he's turning to every single day
and get there. They're figuring out how to scratch it out,

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finding a way to have a four error game and win.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
That is true, that that actually happened last night, and
that's I mean, honestly, that's got to make.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
The Red Sox feel absolutely Their bullpen, their one air though,
was pretty magnificent.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
Yeah, well yeah, it allowed the game to be tied, yep,
and for the first time. And look, it's when you're
dealing with that, it really does feel like nothing can
go right when you're kind of free falling the way
they're specifically their bullpen, you heard a Blummer and TK
manifesting it on the broadcast last night, talking about how

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bad can't can't wait to get rid of Tanner, How
get him out of the game because this bullpen is atrocious.
They've blown all these games, specifically in the month of August,
and then look what happened last night and they were
overworked and it showed. Yeah, and it'll be the same
thing tonight. If you can't get uh, if you can't
get I don't know, six innings, five and two thirds
out of Nick Pavetta, good luck because that that is

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a tax bullpen, and the Astros are licking their chops.
I was just happy that the top of the order
was coming up there in the ninth cuz it's been
feast or famine and famine.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
You think any day two three and four are up,
You're in good shape there, Two three and four isn't
what it always will be. No, but Alvarez Diaz and
oh wait, we don't need anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
That's six. We're just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
It's been it's been rough lately, all right, five o'clock
hour coming up next football at five will be the
start of the conversation. But a lot of other things
to get to as well. Brian Flores has responded to
Tua after his comments yesterday, we'll get to that more
coming up in the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Five o'clock hour.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Most days, that's going to mean football at five conversation,
although Channel.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Rome comes in and interrupts everything some days.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
So depending on what day of the week that is,
typically it's on Wednesdays, but tomorrow, for example, it will
not be because we'll be preempted by the finale of
the Astros and the Red Sox. In the meantime, plenty
of pigskin to get to on a daylight today, up
to and not limited to the fact that, well, yesterday
Tuwa Takovailoa was talking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
About I mean he was.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
That's as transparent and brutal as I've heard a player,
a current player talk about a current coach in and
I don't know how long. I mean, when's the last
time somebody was that transparent about Hey, I really didn't
like this guy who used to coach me, and the
guy who coaches me now is a complete one eighty better.
I don't know of an example offhand, especially involving a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
I mean, he didn't necessarily in the part that I heard,
applaud Mike McDaniel, although he probably could have applauded anybody
who wasn't his former coach, right, But I do think
it's it's it is a one to eighty. It's it's
a love fest. That's aid everything what can I do
to make you feel good? And there's some there was
some conversation today about that part of it, beyond the

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anti Brian Flores stuff, and we're gonna hear from Brian Flores.
He met with the media today is the DC in Minnesota,
and he was asked he said, you know, when he
got to the podium, he's like, I know, there's other
things that you guys want to talk about, quite clearly,
and he actually addressed it first and then also answered
questions about us. We'll that you hear his response to
the criticism from TUA. But the some of the conversation

(01:25:59):
that's been generated today also goes kind of Tom Brady
on it, like do you have to make your quarterback
feel good? To get him to play good. Is hard
coaching something we are frowning upon? Is there a difference
between hard coaching and taking it too far? And Yeah,
I think there's elements to all of that. You do
have a lot of former quarterbacks who happen to have

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voices talking about this currently, and I think some who
may not really know exactly what's going on knowing all
the details of it. I think there's some reporters in
Miami that know what Tuas said and some very specific
things about what Flores had said to him, had texted him. Well,
he wasn't exaggerating or giving his side. I mean, these
things reportedly did actually take place. But is it too

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far and is it too much? I think it's worthwhile
to question that. I mean, Brian Flores, he's been an
NFL coach, so he's been coaching at a very high
level and also very successfully for a long time. He's
extremely well regarded as a coach of defense doesn't always
translate to coach of a team. We've seen it for
coaches on both sides of the ball. This guy runs

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a great offense, this guy calls great plays. People love
playing for him. Let's elevate him to head coach, or
let's go pluck him from somebody else's team, and then
two years later, when you still owe him ten million dollars,
you've hired a new coach.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
It's also, I think rightfully pointed out the Miami Dolphins
as a team over these several years in question these
two years, these two years with Brian Floor or the
two years with Mike McDaniel in the preceding two years
with Brian Flores. Let's see, it's nineteen and fourteen with

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Brian Flores, and again there was a sixteen game season
in one of those years, and they were twenty and
fourteen and Mike McDaniels two seasons to playoff trips in
McDaniel's season, to playoff losses in McDaniel's season, in some
really impressive offensive numbers. They were fifteen and twenty second

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and scoring in offense the two years with Flores, and
they were eleventh and last year second. But those are
all statistics. It's about wins and losses. It's about advancing
your team. It's about taking the talent that you have
and making them win with it. And I don't I
think it's fair to say. They had a lot of
injuries last year defensively specifically, but they had a very,
very talented team. It's why they were so offensively driven.

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But the facts are what they are. Buffalo wins the
division every year, not the dolphinse They've had three second
place finishes with both of these coaches. Flores also took
over a team that was flailing under Gasee, just a
terrible see.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
He had to get rid of him. He was terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
They went five and eleven in Flora's first year because
they were still trotting out Brian Fitzpatrick, etc. And then
he took him to a ten win season and a
nine win season. He did really good things. I thought
as a coach of trying to win, he did well.
I didn't know all the inner workings of it, so
that's one aspect of it. But the words we played

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it yesterday for you, so was probably only fair to
hear the other words from the other side. Tua talked
pretty negatively about how he felt like he was treated,
how the coach was telling him that you suck. How
would you feel if you went to work every day
and you knew this guy, I thought you were awful
and told you about it all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
The worst at this job is how he did it
the worst. You're the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Well, like I said, Brian Flores met with the media
in Minnesota today and took some questions on it and
gave some of his thoughts on Tua's criticism.

Speaker 12 (01:29:30):
I just want to say, Look, I'm happy, genuinely happy,
genuinely genuinely happy for the success that Too has had
and I really wish him nothing but the best. And
you know, I think, you know, player relationships are very
important to me. I think that's kind of the foundation
of coaching. I wish nothing but the best of Tua.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
You see the relationship, the way that you saw the
relationship that resonated along with you and you saw it.

Speaker 12 (01:29:56):
Part of coaching is correcting. You know, I'm always gonna correct.
I'm always gonna have a high standard, and I think,
you know, look, I've done a lot of reflecting and
you know, on this situation and reflecting on the situation communication.
You know, I think there's things that I could do better,
for sure, and I've grown in that way, and I've

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tried to apply the things that I could do better
and the things that I've learned, you know, over the
last you know, two three years, but I would say
over the long haul. I've had a lot of great
relationships over my twenty one year career here and in
the league. But I'm also always looking to get better
and involved. So different than as a coach, I'm open
to getting better. And that's always the uh, you know,

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always my mindset.

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
The word to use.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
We're a terrible person. I'm just curious how that will
get you. For Solgorad Like, I'm human, so.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
You know, that hit me in a way that you know,
it wasn't I wouldn't say it was positive for me.
But at the same time, I you know, I've got
to use that and say, hey, how can I how
can not grow from that? How can I be better?
And that's really that's really where I'm at from from
that standpoint, how can I grow from that situation and

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then create a create a world where that's not you know,
the case that anyone says that about about Brian.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
Fis all right, Look, I don't know, I have no
prior knowledge of this. If he reached out to a
PR firm before that press conference, I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
But man, I'm a fan of over. I'm going a
little hyperbole here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
And I actually should have said this before we played it,
and sorry to cut you off. No, I definitely took
out four or five minutes of commentary and other things
that were said to shorten it for our airplay that
I thought brevity, yes, for the gist of where he
was going. And I thought he acknowledged mistakes, yeah, knowledge
to get better. I think we see maybe we see

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different mistakes from first time head coaches, but we see
them from most of them, especially the ones who get
fired after a short period of time when they get
another opportunity, I mean different situation. Is Bill O'Brien demeanor
with the players at Boston College going to be different
than his demeanor at the NFL level with it's going

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to be worse because he wants to be there, because
he was a head coach at Penn State and he's
you are in Houston. He became the CEO of the
organization after he'd already been the head coach, when he
basically started to run everything. He enters Boston College. Every
coach enters their school as the guy running everything. Some
even have more power than just on the football side,

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but it is their program, as Tom Brady would call it,
and I think college all of this is still super
over the top interesting from our standpoint because if you
remember the extremely exhaustive head coaching search for the Houston Texans,
which one prior to the twenty twenty two seasons. Okay Hines,

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Ward Bird gang guy be serious. Joe Lombardi in house
interview with Lovey Smith, who got the gig, Brian Flores's
boss in Minnesota, his head coach, Kevin O'Connell yep was interviewed,
and of course Brian Flores was interviewed twice in Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Also Josh McCown.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
Twice in the midst of suing the NFL for hiring
practices that he didn't feel like were diverse enough becoming
enough of a fair league, however you want to phrase it.
That was all going on while this was going on
with TUA. And again I go back to it. I
know he didn't hire a PR firm, but that is

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at least, even if he doesn't mean it, he's saying
all the right things.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Yeah, And like I said, I was watching this, so
that was probably about four minutes of stuff he talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
I've been in the league a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
I value relationships, relationships or why this game is great.
I got into coaching because this is I want those things.
I want to be able to help develop guys make
them their best. And you referenced them things that KO
their head coach, Kevin O'Connell says, they're basically he understands
the tenets of coaching. You're you're trying to put the
players in the best position to be at their best.
And yeah, he did say all the right things, but

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I tend to believe he was being pretty genuine about
it because he didn't seem to be taken aback at
all at the fact that this is very, very harsh criticism.
He wasn't trying to say, well, I mean that just
might be how he saw it, or you know, you know,
things probably weren't as bad as he did. Never he
didn't really ever push back against the comments, essentially to

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me without saying it acknowledged that it was not a
good relationship. And he's probably at least partly or largely
to blame for it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
And again, coaches are so much politicians so often, and
I'm not saying that's what he's doing here, but come on,
you want to get another gig?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Which what's Tua and what's Flora's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
I don't think that's the situation here. There's not a
donkey and an elephant? Is that the two things we use?

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I think so is there's not a blue and a red? No,
I don't think not in this case.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Okay, I think what I mean by that is that
he's what's Miami? I mean, what's Florida? Is that blue
or red? Florida's very red. It's very red. That's where
mer Lago is. Believe me, it's red, it's blood red.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
I just feel like he knows he wants another he
wants to be the boss again soon we all do.
And so that's what Brian Flores is going for. Absolutely,
he's campaign he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
When the cameras are on, they're going to have a
good defense. He's going to do a very good job.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
They're going to be saddled by Kevin O'Connell's Sam Darnold
led offense. But yes, I thought that was very good.
His comments today from Brian Flores.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Texans will get a look at Brian Flores's defense in
week three when the two teams get together. Texans open
with a game in Indianapolis. They are back home for
the home opener in week two. Gotta wait, wait a bit.
You got a primetime game against the Chicago Bears to
kick off the home schedule, so I guess the non

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light will be coming in through the panels.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I guess it's possible. Okay, you know I always do
three weeks, yes, four weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
I always ask you when people out there's going to
play again, when Alex Bregman's gonna be back, when's JV
going to be in the rotation?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
You have the answer to that one. I think Alex
Bregman is in the lineup on Thursday in Baltimore. I
do too. It doesn't play between now and then.

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
I agree, unless they go to extras, when do they
get this roof fixed? I love you know what's funny
cal saying that they don't sell roof panels at home depot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
It was funny. I was there when he said it,
and it was uh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
He did indicate they would hope to have the materials
necessary for repairs right at the beginning of the season
or very early in the season, and then would be
able to do the repairs. And I don't think that's
necessarily true. I don't think he said something wrong. But
I think making those repairs around the events schedule is
difficult in season for the repairs that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
These are, it's not a small it's not a light bulb.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
But now if you're completely totally ready for repairs, and
i'd have to cross reference the two schedules, you really
only have one time where you have multiple road games
in a row. That's the thirteenth and twentieth of October.
October sixth, they beat the Buffalo Bills here in Houston.

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October twenty seventh, they sweep the Colts with their second
win against them. So three weeks Sunday to Sunday, there
aren't any Texans games at NRG Stadium. Like I said,
I have not to cross reference the NRG Park concert
schedule between those dates, although I can't imagine there are many.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Well, Combs already came for two nights, so that's done.
So these are the things. It's not a okay, good
they're out of town for a week. We got it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Like you can have a concert at Minute May Park
and then oh the Astros are back in three days,
no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
It's just there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
There is one event that I see and it's yeah,
I think there are no events between the sixth and
the twenty seventh, and I talked to somebody out there
this week. You would not necessarily have knowledge of exactly
the plans, but help to point out to me that
might be an opening. But this is also this is
a very serious undertaking. I mean, I can get some

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guys over to the house and they can put a
whole new roof on my house in a day. It's
not really the same that high and with those materials
and the needs you have for safety and everything else
that goes into repairing it. Playing an NFL game, that's
also true, But I think you could. I mean most
of the stuff in there, I'd actually like for them
to destroy so I could get new stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
That would be great. That'd be all, Oh, totally okay
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
You want to invite anybody over, you want a rough
house inside, throw the ball in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
It's totally fine. I don't mind break anything.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Texans Stadium, I don't see any but having watched this game,
having hell d a concert there, I don't know if
the weather is different in how this stadium is viewed,
like is this an open air stadium? Meaning if the
if the roof is closed. But because the panels are
out it is that does that consider it open air?

(01:40:25):
And if so, do you actually have to react to
weather concerns like you would if you were outdoors like
we saw in Canton at the Hall of Fame game,
like we see at an outdoor practice when the siren
goes off. I mean, if there are conditions like that,
I do think it could impact their decision on do
we have to pause the game? These are all a
lot of these games, these home games we're talking about

(01:40:46):
after the Bears game noon noon, noon, not till Sunday,
November tenth, are they back at night? Are we really
Do you think we're gonna have some kind of crazy rain, lightning,
electrical storm during any of those noon games through the
Astros postseason run when the Texans are playing on the
same day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
No, those definitely all happen at night November.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
I think again, it's a circumstance, total guess speculation. If
they have the opportunity and the materials are in I'm
sure they will make every attempt to have it repaired
in that little pocket. Otherwise that probably will spend the
season being watched over.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Let me ask you this, and I think I kind
of know the answer to this question.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
If they decide or if they determine, I guess I
should say they can't fix it in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
A reasonable amount of time.

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
Is there any scenario where they're just like, ah, I mean,
let's just open it up, because it's technically open anyways.
Although I realize, and this is how I'm saying that,
I think I know the answer to the question. Ninety
percent of that roof being over the facility is going
to be much more pleasant and experienced than zero percent
of it because I was on the field back in

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two thousand and six five whenever that was that Ben
Roethlisberger came to town and it was like one hundred
degrees with the heat index of one point fifty, and
I needed electrolytes by halftime and I wasn't even playing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
I was just on the field.

Speaker 7 (01:42:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
I wish I had had the chance to take note
of who was sitting in these seats, how many seats
that I think were full in sun and maybe have
a chance to ask them after the game if it
was of any great concern to them, and just didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
We'll see if anything's different this weekend. They play Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
One note on the game before we get to a
second roof story here, Matt Stafford was back at practice
today for the Rams. The only reason this matters to
the Texans is it still seems unlikely he's going to
see the field Thursday when they joint practice. Texans will
practice tomorrow, Rams will practice tomorrow, but not with each other,
and then Thursday they are scheduled to have a joint practice,

(01:42:44):
which could be of great value to both teams, and
that I doubt very many starters would.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
They would want them to play on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
They would love to see them play against good players,
so they can take care of that on Thursday. But
if Matt Stafford is not among those players on the
field for the Rams when the Texans welcome them Thursday
for practice, that means whatever group of Texans ones are
working against a nice group of talented Rams being led
by Stetson Bennett. So I'm not sure what all they're

(01:43:11):
going to get out of it. The blockers and the entrenches,
they'll get a lot of good work. They can't sack
him anyway. I don't know how many more interceptions in
practice Derek Singley Junior is going to procure, But I
would It would be awesome if Stafford was out there,
but it doesn't look like that's going to be the case. Obviously,
I will impact the quality of quarterback play they'll see
on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
And I mentioned this yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
I very sincerely doubt the Texans are putting any of
their starters on the field on Saturday afternoon. Whatever work
they think is still remaining for them to get that
will happen on Thursday, and everybody else will be fighting
for the eighth and ninth spots on the offensive line,
the last couple of spots among the defensive linemen. There's
a couple of linebackers that I think are trying to

(01:43:53):
be on the field against Indianapolis if Christian Harris isn't,
and I think there's still a battle for that spot,
maybe the only starting spot that's truly still up for grabs,
and then obviously all the spots that come behind it.
The players immediately behind starter Kamari Lassiter and started starter
Derek Stingley. Junior Jeff Cood has been off the field
for a couple of weeks. I think he'll be back

(01:44:14):
at practice tomorrow, and if so, then that probably means
he gets to work against the Rams the following day.
That could go a long way towards him being the
first reserve corner. He probably already is, but if you're
not healthy, then you're not. So those are just a
couple of the last minor things. I think it's gonna
be a reserve heavy Saturday, but I'll be over to
practice tomorrow and Thursday and probably get a pretty good

(01:44:35):
idea of what the Texans are thinking about who's gonna
be there fifty three and who's gonna be with them
on the field against the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Shout out to.

Speaker 5 (01:44:43):
I don't know if it was a Kamari Lassiter photographer
or just someone that he got a hold of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
These photos.

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
He posted pictures on his Instagram account of it's individual
shots of him in gameplay during the game, but it's
just the lights just on him in the rest of
the stadium around him is darkened out. It's a phenomenal
set of pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Well, I would say, as I pull them up before
I see them, I would say, with almost one hundred
percent certainty, those are Zach Tarrant. He's the Texans team
photographer and his stuff is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
You know, I'm a big fan of all the guys
that do that here in this city. They're all good.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
The Karen Warrens, the Erics of the world, all the
guys out there that do this for a living. Logan
over at the Rockets, who's personally responsible for my avatar photo?

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Do you still call it that? You call it a
profile picture. I don't know what it is he did that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
They just do really really cool stuff with By the way,
like in the case of Logan, it's so minimal, like
you think there's all this technic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
It's more about you in this particular video, I mean,
this is your red carpet moment.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
Well, but he does that for everybody, Like Ryan Hollins
is the king of it. He's like, hey, I need anyone.
I got a new suit, Like I love Ryan Hollins.
But the players when they arrive, there's like a light
there and then it's you know, the lens and the
settings and all that. It's not like it looks like
it's way more involved than it actually is. But yeah,
those pictures of Kamari Lasseter were insanely six.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
The z T T G za TA that's Zach's Instagram handle,
And I want to see the senior director of photography's work,
every game, every practice. You're going to be amazed. It's
awesome stuff. The second roof story, Oh yeah, that's Toyota Center.
Jason Bristol over it's a kho you saying. The Harrison
County Houston Sports Authority approves a Rockets proposal to get

(01:46:36):
a new roof. Roof has been in place since two
three age. Typically of a roof like this is the
expectations that it needs to be replaced are well within
that timeframe and reasonable. So roughly eight million dollars to
be paid for by the team four to five months
worth of work.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
They'll have themselves a new roof with a long warranty.
So I'm how do you know about warranty?

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
Jason tweets the new roof has a twenty year warranty
and can handle hurricane wins of one hundred and forty
six miles per hour.

Speaker 5 (01:47:06):
So I had spoken with some Rockets officials about just
how many things are going on over there. And it's
a good thing, by the way, because you know the
alternative we new arena. I don't want that to happen again.
I don't want to go through all that. But they're
doing a lot and have already done a lot of
work inside Toyota Center. Matter of fact, you will have,

(01:47:27):
as far as I'm concerned, a brand new big screen
to look at this year for the upcoming Rocket season.
You will look at us on Space City Home Network
and listen to.

Speaker 8 (01:47:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
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Nice stream Davis talking about frog baseball, strike one.

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Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
By the way, we continue our simulcast on Space City
Home Network. Really really appreciate everybody that's done so much
to make that possible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Yesterday was the first day, today's day two. So far,
so good. They haven't whacked us yet, but you can
see us every day.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
You can obviously hear us every day on Sports Talk
seven to ninety and more times, more often than not,
we'll be leading into Astros coverage on both venues like
today we are.

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
And we got Astros on deck coming up at six o'clock.
Ross has that for you, and then I'll call the
game follows via the network half hour before first pitch
Space City Home Network a similar plan. Astros Base is
Loaded comes your way at six o'clock, and of course
they get things started with Astro's pregame six point thirty
from out at the Yard.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
As I mentioned earlier, we're gonna have two games between
now and the next time we're with you, and that
will be from minute made.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
I've been down there in forever to do a show.
I'm looking forward to it tomorrow. All right, we call
this segment in case you missed it, Dan take it away,
all right.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
So one of Wex's probably favorite exercises who makes the
fifty three man roster. Well, Wes, Jonathan and Alexander did
a deep dive on the Houston Chronicles website and some
of the players that are surprises to make the team
John Metchi the Third as well as Damian Pierce as

(01:49:35):
players who could make the team. Some surprise cuts, maybe
even well Case Keenum is one of them. Also Robert Woods,
Xavier Hutchinson, who a lot of people think is gonna
make the team, as well as Ben Scaronic to go
on the ir on the defensive side of the ball,
Kurt Heinisch, Well, you shouldn't bully Toro. That's probably a
good lesson for you to learn. And also too that

(01:49:57):
Christian Harris could.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Go on the IR.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
I mean, I'm not sure what words he used, or
if you use them. I don't know that any of
them other than maybe Kurt Heinisch I would use the
word surprise. We talked about each of those areas. Jonathan
is right on it with these are the biggest questions.
We had such a discussion about it. I think last
week and definitely yesterday, are we going to be I
know he started the year number two, he was the

(01:50:22):
number one when last year started. He was the best
running back on the team in his rookie season. But
we're watching right. We watched all of last year in
Bobby Slowak's offense. He was taken off the field and
basically never carried the ball again. And now he's back
this year in the same offense with a really good
understanding of it and the very good attitude about it.

(01:50:43):
And I think he had a good attitude last year too.
But there's no success there. There's no ability to show
promise in this scheme.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
So I'm not going to be shocked.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
And I don't know if those words mean different things,
but surprised that Damian Pierce doesn't make it. Once cam
Akers was signed, that opened the door for it, and
that was before you'd even taken a snap. I think
when they worked him out and saw that he was healthy,
when they worked him. Now into gameplay, they're getting more
and more confident. He already has some understanding from the
schemes they ran with the Rams, and I even think
some of the stuff they were doing in his last stop,

(01:51:13):
all those things help. He just has certain abilities that
you know, there's things that Damian Pierce is better than
him at.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
But I think the things that fit this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Offense are the conversation about the wide receivers at this point.
Calling it a surprise is maybe more than I would say.
I still think Robert Woods, I just can't imagine him
being here because he actually gives them something by letting
him go. There is money to be saved, not quite
as much money as it seems like when he signed
his two year deal last year the way that it's structured,

(01:51:43):
but it still is a cap savings. He can play.
They just don't need him here. I mean, the Texas
have the best three wide receiver combo trio in the NFL.
Most teams would have Robert Woods on the field a
lot more often than this team will. He's shown to
be healthy. He obviously knows his offense was very good
last year when other guys were out, he was also
out for some of that time.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
He's older.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
I never thought he would be on this roster, and
it's nothing against how he's played or could play. It's
just a numbers game. The other two guys are young guys.
Those are those are tougher decisions to make. Hutchinson two
years now, this is year two. Mechi three years now,
this is year three. They're in the same kind of
numbers game situation. I think what was most important for
Mechi beyond the clear obvious. You know, he caught six balls,

(01:52:27):
and he caught the balls, and as silly as that sounds,
he made the play.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
He caught the football.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
He's had some trouble in game catching the football, even
in practice catching the football.

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
Well, that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Pretty big problem to have, and maybe everybody doesn't disagree,
but that's just what I think I've seen. That was
not an issue. He had seven balls, they're on his way.
He caught all seven in a game situation, and I
know one didn't count, but he caught it. That is
what he's going to need to do Thursday against the
Rams is what he's going to need to probably do Saturday,
where I think he will play, and we'll probably get
an idea of the guys that are safe if they're

(01:53:01):
not playing on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
By the way, Damian Pierce is it just simple as
the line he's behind slash, change of scenery, slash numbers game.
He's caught up in slash. He didn't forget how to
play football.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
It's not a numbers game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
He's just he doesn't bring any He brings less value
as a running back than they can afford to carry
as the number two. You know, he's better running back
I think for this offense than Dara, But Darry has
a number three pass catcher rarely on the field, big
special teams guy carries value. Juwar Jordan recent draft Ye
maybe as if not more explosive. No familiarity with what

(01:53:37):
they're doing yet because he just got here. But we're
gonna see more and more of him over these next
four days, and I think they would be afraid of
losing him if they tried to pass him through waivers
and sign him back to the practice squad. No, he
didn't forget how to play, and I'm are we sure
a chains of scenery and poof, he's gonna be really,
really good again. I don't think that's a given. I

(01:53:58):
just think he's probably fifty to fifty these days.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Where he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
You could also see him make the opening fifty three
and a couple weeks into the season there's a need
and they're gonna have to make a roster decision.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
It could be him. So you heard it here first
fifty fifty. It's a coin flip.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
I think, well, for your guy that started the year
behind only one player on a depth chart that probably
carries four, that's a little abnormal.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Most of the rest of what Jonathan said I would
definitely agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
In the unfortunate one we keep having to mention, it's
the only one that I think is of great significance,
Christian Harris is he just hasn't played any football in camp.
He played during the offseason, he had a great finish
to last year, and he has been unable to get
healthy enough to go through even one practice fully. So yeah,
I would expect to see him in an a non

(01:54:46):
active situation at least to start the season. If they
know he's going to miss several games, then yes, short
term set to return IR is a likelihood.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
What else? All right?

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Real quick here, So yesterday we heard the audio from
Mike Gundy, the head coach to Oklahoma States, say negotiations
are finished. We're not talking about name, Image of Likeness
right now. However, he did not say that we won't
help you fund Name, Image and Likeness Oklahoma State this season.
When you're watching them on TV, you canna be able
to scan a QR code on the back of their
helmets with a link directly to their Name, Image and

(01:55:19):
Likeness fund and you can donate that way.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
It's pretty incredible. Yeah, think about the fact QR code
on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Just do it. Just find new ways, get creative. Maybe
you'll catch a couple donors this way.

Speaker 5 (01:55:34):
Well, you could have a dad who's a talk show
host publicly asking for money for your NIL account, like
the guy that hosts the show before us that happened
to down the air.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Well, that's the reverse. Actually, to be fair, you're gonna
get a text ross offered it. He's working for his
as the agent for someone in his family. Trying to
get money.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
He's like the uncle for Carly. This is the university
trying to get the money that they can get give
the players. Okay, well, I'm glad we clear that up
with a Thomas family. They'll be fine. Not concerned. Yeah,
I'm not worried about it either. All right, I'm not
concerned about what we've got.

Speaker 5 (01:56:10):
Next, it's our final segment of the program, as we
will shuffle you off into Astros pregame coverage. Renel Blanco
tonight going for the Astros on the mound in Game
two of this three game set, all of the pregame coverage,
all of the coverage right here on Sports Talk seven
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Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
If you don't send a picture, did it even really happen?
That's true.

Speaker 5 (01:58:26):
I mean we're getting a lot. I've seen a lot
of pictures of us, more so than I ever have animated.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Yeah's true. Make a gift of how long until we're
like at Craig Ackerman gift? He's got that? You think so?
I mean if one of us does something, it's rather easy.

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
Yes, do you ever worry about that when you're on
TV all those years? How long until I wind up
on YouTube for all the wrong reasons?

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
I mean, it would only happen if I was much
more likely to have that happen, if if were word
salad or that's what happened to me, but not from
a you know, some sort of movement.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
Last week on the air on television side of things.
I was trying to say, recap, I said recrap.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
And that was a desk. We're at the desk.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
I was actually standing in front of a screen, so
the old building, right, So your co hosts, your anchors
weren't right there with you at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
This was a tease.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Yeah, it was a nothing burger technically, but yeah, I
just was coming up in sports. I'll recrap the astro
Kentucky Derby. It was a Kentucky Derby. Even worse, it
was like, I had never done something like that fast
as ten seconds tees and sports, and I'm not even
gonna get it all right, yeah to you.

Speaker 5 (01:59:40):
In nearly like eight years of being on camera in
some way, shape or form, I'd never done something. I mean,
you stumble over words all the time. I do it
here every day, but I'd never done something like that
where you would actually say, all right, you could put
that on you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
But that's not gonna that's not much recrap. Come on, no,
not that I'm aware of. Maybe there's something out there.

Speaker 5 (01:59:58):
I mean, Yankees do that every year, they recrap this
organization thinking they're gonna win.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
They never do the only time I know that that happened,
I was just really really interested in what duke players
Nolan Smith and John Steier had to say about something
in their game.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
Now do you have video of that? Because that's not
in it, just my crackling, dying voice.

Speaker 7 (02:00:15):
I know.

Speaker 5 (02:00:15):
But like if we played that again on the show
now that we're doing the simulcast, I would almost want
the video to be rolled so you can see, like
John Shire, current head coach of Duke Yep, was so
polite but he couldn't laugh his backside off.

Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
Yeah, hilarious, Yeah it was, but because it was funny.
It was funny because you were like, fine, you were
you knew it was it. You weren't gonna get it.
The rest of the sentence out well like yeah, I
said that's it and I moved along. Then the guy
who got the question afterhim, he made fun of me.
That was even funnier. What a jerk you mean? Beat
him up? Nah, it's fine, all right, it's been a while,
but if you want to been a while, Yeah, I

(02:00:49):
think he is.

Speaker 2 (02:00:50):
Probably for the year. Was that twenty ten? Have to
check the tape, seems right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
Yeah, I'm not aware of anything I did this year
that would be uh, that would be meme or gift worthy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
I mean, Calvin's a pro. I'm a pro. Was that dude?

Speaker 9 (02:01:04):
But what was?

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
I don't definitely wasn't. Butler was the one earlier in
the tournament. Okay, because they weren't. This was not a
final four season.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
How come that always happens here? Just awful, awful champion.

Speaker 3 (02:01:19):
Although the Villanova North Carolina game was awesome, one of
the all time greatest. MJ was in the building that night,
just like we saw him just not that long ago
we did the Hall of Fame for the NFL Pro
Football Excuse.

Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
Me, we weren't in the same room with him. That's
the first time in my life I'd been in the
same room with him.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
How to gosh, that can't be.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
You wouldn't you never? We were never in the locker room.
Mm hmmm, because when they were so he played the Wizard.
Didn't even think about it until you brought it up. Well,
I just never, I started in a question.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
I mean, but it's so funny. I don't think of any.

Speaker 5 (02:01:55):
Other athlete like that. There's like two athletes that I'll
actually be in awe of to this day Bill. One
of them's Dream and the other one's MJ.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
The I'm not sure in what setting it was was
just a couple of days ago. Anthony Edwards was kind
of talking being asked about his Olympic experience and everything
that went into it and how cool it was to
win and things like that. He goes, well, you know,
I'm sitting up here, and he wasn't exciting this moment,
but he was saying it this way. I'm sitting up
there on the podium and there's you know, Steph Curry
sitting next to me, and then Lebron's next to him,
and then Kat's next to him, and I'm up there

(02:02:24):
with these guys.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
I mean, this is like the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 5 (02:02:26):
It's weird, like I just and maybe it's because I've
come up with this generation of NBA players and I've
been around them more. You know, when you do that
from this is like, no one's going to relate to
what I'm saying right now, because if anybody listening, a
lot of you, were just around one of these guys
for even an hour, it would be like the coolest thing.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
And I get that.

Speaker 5 (02:02:45):
I totally get that we have the greatest job in
the world. I just don't I don't look at Lebron
any of those guys I'm just like it's such and
such as in town, you know, and that you don't
look at Reed Shepherd like that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Well that's different. I'lpi Amen, Cam, Jalen Cam, I do
Cam okay, you know, and you guys will start to
learn the man crush for Cam Whitmore. It's gonna grow
this year sophomore season. I can't wait. The group is
together working out right now at the request and invite
of Jalen green Up, nearly the entire team, Aaron Holliday, Alpi,

(02:03:20):
all the players I just mentioned, Jay Sean Tait, Jabbari
read I saw quite a few, so I appreciate the
One of the people who's out there with them keeps
posting videos of kind of the cutups of each individual,
so they're all together. Jabbari uh backing down and driving
past and pushing through Reed Shepherd like three four times

(02:03:40):
in the clips in a row. Didn't really happened in
the game, but it's good work for the Jafari bulked
up at all. He's dep I mean I saw him
a couple of weeks ago. Also, he's definitely bigger, is
big enough to go up against players that aren't like that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
That's what you're not saying here, but it's it's almost
upon us.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
It's the number one thing about the Rockets that I
have to consciously I have to keep reminding myself they're
not even done growing, like literally as humans, they're not done.
Guys like Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, these guys that came
in as rookies, they were like nineteen when they got
here and they're still like I think Jabari's legal now,

(02:04:19):
drinking age.

Speaker 3 (02:04:20):
Like he's three months into that. Yeah that was back
in May. I mean, yeah, twenty one for months.

Speaker 5 (02:04:25):
I'm not an NBA player obviously, but I was still
growing into my first year of college for sure. And
you know, you just kind of relate relative to an
NBA floor and the people, the players that you're going
up against on any given night. How could you, I mean,
look at Robert Rory when he was here versus when
he retired, Like, it's completely different.

Speaker 3 (02:04:45):
Bot for Jabbari and a men specifically, they're now going
up against mostly their teammates right now, guys that they're
familiar with, body types whatever. They spent part of their
summer going up against Lebron Durant and the other guys
when they were part of the select team that worked
out with them before they got into their exhibition play.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Having e May, it's just so many parallels to Dimiko
and the Texans. I know that the.

Speaker 5 (02:05:09):
Trajectory, the curve, whatever you want to call it, probably
a little bit steeper, a little bit slower than maybe
Rockets fans would like.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
But they're in such good hands with the e May
in all fascis awhile before Demiko gets his forty first victory. Yeah,
sitting on ten, can't believe that.

Speaker 5 (02:05:25):
It's what a bum No, it's just I'm really looking
forward to seeing what they put together. And again, you
need that. You're gonna need that big name eventually. I
think it's gonna come sooner rather than later.

Speaker 3 (02:05:35):
Yeah, they're the options will unfold as seasons unfold. That's
the key happiness and hopefully still very very good play.
But that's off in the distance. They'll hit training camp
soon enough. Astros will hit the field soon enough.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
Tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
Renel Blanco goes again tonight, the Astros looking to continue
their red hot scorching month of August twelve and four
in their sixteen games. A series victory comes if they
get one tonight after taking last night's victory, and again nope,
Bregmant tonight, availability, possible, possible, DH tomorrow. We shall see

(02:06:11):
afternoon baseball for the Astros tomorrow, so that preempts us
until the ballgame concludes. We'll have the tenth inning show
for you into the evening tomorrow afternoon. Appreciate everybody here
on Sports Talk seven nine, of course everybody there on
Space City Home Network.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
We'll talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:06:31):
The A team

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