August 15, 2025 • 16 mins
Yahoo! Sports comes out with their All-Time All-America teams.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Our two on this Friday afternoon. We appreciate you listing
wherever you may be. Good news from Don Harris today,
who says that the city and the Spurs have reached
an agreement of some sort. I guess a a term sheet.
Here's what we're paying, here's what we need. Let's get
(00:24):
her done. I have no idea how close or how
far off this particular vote will be. I look back
on the elections that we've had in San Antonio over
the years, and I know the domes squeaked by by
percentage points. The ATNT than Frost Bank Center was. Certainly
(00:46):
it was.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It was a.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Sixty one nine six fifty one something along those lines,
if I remember correctly. But hopefully this one passes. I
just don't think that we want to be Brookland or
Oakland or the litany of other teams that have potentially
or have lost their teams based on the arena. You
(01:10):
have to keep moving forward or are you fall behind.
We are competing for conventions, we're competing for people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Who want to live here.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I know there's some people that moved here thirty
years ago when the city was much smaller, and wish
that this city was still small. Well, well, can I
tell you move to Kerrville or moved to Blanco, or
or move someplace where it's quieter, if that's what you
were looking for in the first place. But cities like
this and municipalities are usually going to continue to grow.
(01:41):
And you know, I've kind of I grew up in Oklahoma,
but I've been here ten years longer than I was
ever there. So it's not something that I intend to
move from unless something weird happens in the future.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
All Right, There's been one hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
All American teams over the last hundred years, and today
Yahoo Sports came out with the best of the best.
Who are the best players at each of their positions
over the last hundred years, And we're going to start
with quarterback. The first team All American Quarterback in the
last hundred years, they say, is Tim Tebow. Second team
(02:19):
Vince Young. Okay, I'm going to poke some holes in this,
all right, poke some holes. How about let's look at
it from this standpoint. Number One, football in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties,
and seventies was mainly a running game.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The sophisticated passing leagues did not really start until the
mid eighties and then kind of got a little bit
more progress in the nineties, and what we've been playing
the last twenty twenty five years has been more of
a of an open style, read option type of play.
So when I put Tim Tebo and Vince Young out
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there as the best quarterbacks that the college game is
seen in the last hundred years, I think of Tommy
Fraser at Nebraska and I think of Jameel Holloway at Oklahoma.
They were really good running quarterbacks. Neither one of them
could throw it from me to you. Fraser was a
little bit better than Jamel, but they were great option
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quarterbacks that ran the ball well.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So how about them? Where's Roger Staubach on this list?
Where is Peyton Manning on this list?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Peyton Manning was started up and up and come be
the quarterback that was a pocket passer, where college football
was not really a pocket passing game except for maybe
Miami and a few others in the mid eighties, And
there was never pocket passers in the sixties and seventies.
And if they were, they weren't, they weren't relevant. The
teams that won national championships lined up and ran it
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down your throat and so well, I don't think that Tim.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Deebo and Vince Young are wrong answers.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
How are we defining who is the best quarterback of
all time? You and I were talking about the Miami
quarterbacks from Vinnie Testa Verdie and Bertie Kozar and and
Dorset and Dorsey. Well, Tay had so many weapons. It
was like, you know, Michael, go get open, I'll throw
it in the vicinity, He'll catch it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
All look great. And so.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We have to discount those guys a little bit. How
about the Ohio State and Penn State quarterbacks over the years.
How about the how about Matt Liiner toward does he
rate on this list? So I think when you look
at quarterback, it's the one position that is different based.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
On the era.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And I'm even gonna when we get to tight ends
in a second, I'm kind of puzzled about both of these,
which I'll tell you about in a little bit. But
the quarterback situation in particular is basically defined by the
era in the NFL. The NFL has always been a
little bit of a passing league, and it's always obviously
you have to run the football to be successful.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
We've proven that.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
But how about if you were looking at the NFL,
would you pick Mahomes over Bradshaw? Would you would you
pick Josh Allen or Labar Jackson, or would you pick
you know, Roger Staubach, Lynn Dawson, Dan Marino.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The eras matter, and eras are different.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The way that we play football is different, especially at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, and you know, for me, for me, I think
it's more along the lines of they're looking at the
the what's in the trophy case as well? You know,
because yes, Tim Tebow with all the accolades that he had,
the National Championship, the Heisman Trophy. As a Longhorn fan,
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it again still die on this hill that that Vince
Young should have won the Heisman over Reggie Bush. If
maybe Vince Young gets that, then maybe on this particular list,
Vince Young might be the best overall quarterback because at
least for me, with watching both of those guys, Vince Young,
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even though yes at times he was not accurate, but
Vince Young could sling the football.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He could throw it far. Yes, a strong arm. Vince
Young would run away.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
From people like there were so many times when you
would watch Vince Young run.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
He was like a gazelle.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
He looked like he was running in slow motion, but
every stride it was like there's ten yards. I'm sorry,
Tim Tebow was not pulling awaves.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He was just athletically talented.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He was. He was kind of like the way Shane's built,
very stock, very built. He could run through people, but
he wasn't going to run away from people.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But I think Vince Young's status happened in about the
last half of the last season that he played.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't know that Vince Young was as good.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
As he was for the first three and a half
years combined as he was the last six or seven
games he played.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's only because you didn't want to watch well.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I also I also saw, oh, you beat him sixty
three to ten one time one year two.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, but he wasn't starting that year. I think that
was who was that was that chance mock?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I that was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But I think the last I remember the game at
Oklahoma State where they were down like thirty five to
seven at half time.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think it was thirty five to three.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden, Vince said, just
on my beer, here, guys, I got.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Work to do any single handed.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Lad just ran out over the Oklahoma State defense for
the rest of the game. So I think from that
game and to me, the USC Texas National Championship game
is still the greatest game I've ever watched. Yeah, I mean,
I don't care if you were for Texas, and I
didn't care who won the game, but the way that
game was played, that was as good a game as
there ever as to watch. And back when I was
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a kid, they always talked about the seventy one Oh
you Nebraska game is the greatest game ever played in
the game of the century. Well, it may have been
the game of the nineteen hundreds, but I still don't remember.
I still remember a little bit of that game. I
don't remember a lot of that game. So anyway, I
think Vince's got a case. I think Tim's got a case.
But i'd also put Peyton Manning and some of the
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other great quarterbacks that were not necessarily Heightsman Trophy winners,
but they were gonna they won because of the system
that they played in. I mean, Darien Hagen played at
Colorado and was great as a wishbone quarterback, but you
never heard of him after that he was not going
to play in the NFL. And not only Jamel Holloway,
but J. C. Watts and Jack Mildron and Steve Davis
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and Thomas Lott were great wishbone quarterbacks and the wishbone
quarterbacks that Texas had, but they're never going to get
listed as a great quarterback because we don't play the
wishbone anymore, and we haven't for pretty much twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The running backs are Sanders, Barry Sanders, Herschel Walker, Archie Griffin,
Tony dor Set.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I can't argue with any of those.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
For those, I would, I'm sure there's a couple of
the more contemporary players because Griffin and dor Set were
in the seventies and Sanders and Walker were in the eighties.
I'm sure there's been some running backs since then that
would be up for challenge. You got any that you'd
like to put in there instead? I mean Adrian Peterson
maybe maybe?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Maybe? Did Adriana Did he win a Heisman? Though?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I see, I think that's what it is is, did
you win the Heisman? They're they're talking about overall, you know,
their overall.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
College resume of titles, and and awards. I mean, like
you mentioned Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker on the first team.
Archie Griffin, the only player to ever win the Heisman twice,
is second in Tony dor Set I mean, sweetness.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, he was in he played for He was played
for a like what we would call now at FCS school.
I think it was at Jackson State in in the slack,
so uh you know, uhm. But Emmett was Emmett was not.
Emmett was a better pro than he was a college player,
although I thought him it was a great college player
and very underrated as.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A college player.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean you could, I'll give him props. You can
say Reggie I mean, you say Reggie Bush. But I
don't know if they would consider him even though he
was a running back.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Maybe it was just a jack of all trades kind
of a guy.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I realistically, I have no argument over any of them.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The wide receivers on this list are Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss,
and the second team Devonte Smith and Desmond Howard. There's
a lot of others you could pick as well. Here's
something that I think is interesting. Brock Bauers is the
all time tight end in Oklahoma's Keith Jackson from back
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, they hardly ever throw him the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I mean he was a tight end in a wishbone
offense and he was amazing and went on to play
for the Eagles. But Brock Bauers caught more passes in
a year than Keith Jackson did in four now is
that abcs?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, that's not Jackson. That's not the same one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I can't really think of any other legitimate big time
college tight ends because again I didn't I didn't even
know where Travis Kelsey went to college Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I could say Shockey.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Jeremy Shockey gap, you could go my Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Kelln Winslow.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, Kellen Winslow senior was pretty good too, but that
was back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Kellen Winslow junior at Miami as well. Other than that,
I can't really think of any others. So the only
one for that one is just be more along the
lines of, like you mentioned, the era that we're in,
including the tight end more.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, so Chuck Bednerick is the best center of all
time and Dave Remington is the second best center of
all time. Now, Chuck bed Nerriick has an award named
after him, that's the best lineman in the county, offensive
lineman in the country. Dave Remington has an award named
after him, that's the best center in the country. So
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how do you discern who's the better center because they
list bed Neerick basically is a lineman and the Remington
Trophy was created because of the dominance that Dave Remington
had during the Kilrose yere Friar era at Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Here's the stupid thing is the Chuck big Eric Award
is not actually awarded to a offensive player, it's a defense.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, he probably played both both offense and defense.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, so because Travis Hunter won it last year, which
again is just so.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Dave Remington is considered the greatest center of all time
after they name an award after him, Yet he's not
on this He's not on the first team. Here's the
other thing. The punter is Tory Taylor of Iowa and
Reggie Roby of Iowa. Okay, both of them probably.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Won the Ray Guy Award and Ray Guy's not on
the list. Yeah, where the hell is the Ray guayak? Yeah,
let's give love to the punter, the guy that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
The awards named after, should probably be on the list somewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Now I will say the kicker that they have for
the first team is is you know, Sebastian Jenakowski.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean that dude could just kick to the moon.
That'd be pretty good. Yeah, he was pretty good. So
I have no issue with that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Not putting Russell erks laban on from the seventies, who
was the last one I think the kick straight.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
On with his shoe popped up in with his shoelaces. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The only one I could say, maybe could make an
argument they have on second team is Martine Gramatica. I
would say Oklahoma States Dan Bailey, you know Dan Money
Bailey when he was a cowboy until he got broken
and then just you know, all of a sudden snaphooked
every field. Well he looked at ye. The bozz is
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on this list? Is a second team linebacker?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Sure? Why? Well, he was pretty good, especially when he
was on steroids. Exactly. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He shouldn't be on the list. He should be disqualified,
the fact that he took steroids. My other the one
that you and I both kind of were like, you know,
side eyed, and was really the fact that Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
As second team his second team.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So, but Gus Thomas and Spielman are first team Jerry Robinson,
Brian Bosworth and Lawrence Taylor. Well, I guess Lawrence Taylor's
accolades come from being the edge rusher that he became
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But he was pretty good at North Carolina too.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, so was the guy that again that played
at Miami. Where's ray Lewis? How is ray Lewis novice list?
No disrespect Andy, I would put ray Lewis over Brian Bosworth.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah. I don't know about that, but I put him
over maybe Chris Bielman. Yeah, I don't know who Chris
biel He played at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I didn't know who Derek Thomas was at Alabama.
I thought it was actually the Derek Thomas from from Texas.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, that I think Derek he played at Uh, it
was Alabama from Alabama he played for the Chiefs in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, that was that was Texas Derek Thomas. Are you
sure pretty sure? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So where did Derek Thomas from Alabama play in the NFL?
I don't know. They both played for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They didn't one of them die trying to rescue someone
in a drowning accident.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think that was the Alabama. The Alabama because Derek
Derek Thomas UH of Texas is still a wif.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think that the Alabama Derek Thomas is the one
that I think the record still stands for most sacks
in a game by an individual player.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I think it's seven. I want to say seven sacks
recorded in a game. So but I think you and
I would at least agree.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, Chris Bielman, Yeah, he doesn't need to be first team.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So well, I'll give this for the for the Brian
Bosworth fan in me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He did have an awesome haircut.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Though he had an awesome game against Texas one year,
but you were negative one year.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You were about to be born. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
In the eighty five game, he had fourteen tackles, eleven intercepted.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
UH. And there was a play in that game, and.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I will never forget this play ever where Todd Dodge
turns and hands the ball to Eric Metcalf and Bobsworth
grabbed Metcalf with one arm and Dodge with the other
one and tackle them both on the same play.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Steroid sir, They we didn't even know what that was
back there.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Sure, all right, We're kind to talk some spurs coming
up in the next segment as their season we'll get
under way in a couple of months, and the fact
that they're on national TV a bunch this year, and
also Mike's new favorite sport, golf in the BMW Championship,
all that coming up on the ticket
Our two on this Friday afternoon. We appreciate you listing
wherever you may be. Good news from Don Harris today,
who says that the city and the Spurs have reached
an agreement of some sort. I guess a a term sheet.
Here's what we're paying, here's what we need. Let's get
(00:24):
her done. I have no idea how close or how
far off this particular vote will be. I look back
on the elections that we've had in San Antonio over
the years, and I know the domes squeaked by by
percentage points. The ATNT than Frost Bank Center was. Certainly
(00:46):
it was.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It was a.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Sixty one nine six fifty one something along those lines,
if I remember correctly. But hopefully this one passes. I
just don't think that we want to be Brookland or
Oakland or the litany of other teams that have potentially
or have lost their teams based on the arena. You
(01:10):
have to keep moving forward or are you fall behind.
We are competing for conventions, we're competing for people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Who want to live here.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And I know there's some people that moved here thirty
years ago when the city was much smaller, and wish
that this city was still small. Well, well, can I
tell you move to Kerrville or moved to Blanco, or
or move someplace where it's quieter, if that's what you
were looking for in the first place. But cities like
this and municipalities are usually going to continue to grow.
(01:41):
And you know, I've kind of I grew up in Oklahoma,
but I've been here ten years longer than I was
ever there. So it's not something that I intend to
move from unless something weird happens in the future.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
All Right, There's been one hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
All American teams over the last hundred years, and today
Yahoo Sports came out with the best of the best.
Who are the best players at each of their positions
over the last hundred years, And we're going to start
with quarterback. The first team All American Quarterback in the
last hundred years, they say, is Tim Tebow. Second team
(02:19):
Vince Young. Okay, I'm going to poke some holes in this,
all right, poke some holes. How about let's look at
it from this standpoint. Number One, football in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties,
and seventies was mainly a running game.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
The sophisticated passing leagues did not really start until the
mid eighties and then kind of got a little bit
more progress in the nineties, and what we've been playing
the last twenty twenty five years has been more of
a of an open style, read option type of play.
So when I put Tim Tebo and Vince Young out
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there as the best quarterbacks that the college game is
seen in the last hundred years, I think of Tommy
Fraser at Nebraska and I think of Jameel Holloway at Oklahoma.
They were really good running quarterbacks. Neither one of them
could throw it from me to you. Fraser was a
little bit better than Jamel, but they were great option
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quarterbacks that ran the ball well.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So how about them? Where's Roger Staubach on this list?
Where is Peyton Manning on this list?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Peyton Manning was started up and up and come be
the quarterback that was a pocket passer, where college football
was not really a pocket passing game except for maybe
Miami and a few others in the mid eighties, And
there was never pocket passers in the sixties and seventies.
And if they were, they weren't, they weren't relevant. The
teams that won national championships lined up and ran it
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down your throat and so well, I don't think that Tim.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Deebo and Vince Young are wrong answers.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
How are we defining who is the best quarterback of
all time? You and I were talking about the Miami
quarterbacks from Vinnie Testa Verdie and Bertie Kozar and and
Dorset and Dorsey. Well, Tay had so many weapons. It
was like, you know, Michael, go get open, I'll throw
it in the vicinity, He'll catch it.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
All look great. And so.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We have to discount those guys a little bit. How
about the Ohio State and Penn State quarterbacks over the years.
How about the how about Matt Liiner toward does he
rate on this list? So I think when you look
at quarterback, it's the one position that is different based.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
On the era.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And I'm even gonna when we get to tight ends
in a second, I'm kind of puzzled about both of these,
which I'll tell you about in a little bit. But
the quarterback situation in particular is basically defined by the
era in the NFL. The NFL has always been a
little bit of a passing league, and it's always obviously
you have to run the football to be successful.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
We've proven that.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
But how about if you were looking at the NFL,
would you pick Mahomes over Bradshaw? Would you would you
pick Josh Allen or Labar Jackson, or would you pick
you know, Roger Staubach, Lynn Dawson, Dan Marino.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The eras matter, and eras are different.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The way that we play football is different, especially at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah, and you know, for me, for me, I think
it's more along the lines of they're looking at the
the what's in the trophy case as well? You know,
because yes, Tim Tebow with all the accolades that he had,
the National Championship, the Heisman Trophy. As a Longhorn fan,
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it again still die on this hill that that Vince
Young should have won the Heisman over Reggie Bush. If
maybe Vince Young gets that, then maybe on this particular list,
Vince Young might be the best overall quarterback because at
least for me, with watching both of those guys, Vince Young,
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even though yes at times he was not accurate, but
Vince Young could sling the football.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He could throw it far. Yes, a strong arm. Vince
Young would run away.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
From people like there were so many times when you
would watch Vince Young run.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
He was like a gazelle.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
He looked like he was running in slow motion, but
every stride it was like there's ten yards. I'm sorry,
Tim Tebow was not pulling awaves.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He was just athletically talented.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He was. He was kind of like the way Shane's built,
very stock, very built. He could run through people, but
he wasn't going to run away from people.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But I think Vince Young's status happened in about the
last half of the last season that he played.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't know that Vince Young was as good.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
As he was for the first three and a half
years combined as he was the last six or seven
games he played.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's only because you didn't want to watch well.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I also I also saw, oh, you beat him sixty
three to ten one time one year two.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, but he wasn't starting that year. I think that
was who was that was that chance mock?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I that was, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
But I think the last I remember the game at
Oklahoma State where they were down like thirty five to
seven at half time.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I think it was thirty five to three.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden, Vince said, just
on my beer, here, guys, I got.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Work to do any single handed.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Lad just ran out over the Oklahoma State defense for
the rest of the game. So I think from that
game and to me, the USC Texas National Championship game
is still the greatest game I've ever watched. Yeah, I mean,
I don't care if you were for Texas, and I
didn't care who won the game, but the way that
game was played, that was as good a game as
there ever as to watch. And back when I was
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a kid, they always talked about the seventy one Oh
you Nebraska game is the greatest game ever played in
the game of the century. Well, it may have been
the game of the nineteen hundreds, but I still don't remember.
I still remember a little bit of that game. I
don't remember a lot of that game. So anyway, I
think Vince's got a case. I think Tim's got a case.
But i'd also put Peyton Manning and some of the
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other great quarterbacks that were not necessarily Heightsman Trophy winners,
but they were gonna they won because of the system
that they played in. I mean, Darien Hagen played at
Colorado and was great as a wishbone quarterback, but you
never heard of him after that he was not going
to play in the NFL. And not only Jamel Holloway,
but J. C. Watts and Jack Mildron and Steve Davis
(08:21):
and Thomas Lott were great wishbone quarterbacks and the wishbone
quarterbacks that Texas had, but they're never going to get
listed as a great quarterback because we don't play the
wishbone anymore, and we haven't for pretty much twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The running backs are Sanders, Barry Sanders, Herschel Walker, Archie Griffin,
Tony dor Set.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I can't argue with any of those.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
For those, I would, I'm sure there's a couple of
the more contemporary players because Griffin and dor Set were
in the seventies and Sanders and Walker were in the eighties.
I'm sure there's been some running backs since then that
would be up for challenge. You got any that you'd
like to put in there instead? I mean Adrian Peterson
maybe maybe?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Maybe? Did Adriana Did he win a Heisman? Though?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I see, I think that's what it is is, did
you win the Heisman? They're they're talking about overall, you know,
their overall.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
College resume of titles, and and awards. I mean, like
you mentioned Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker on the first team.
Archie Griffin, the only player to ever win the Heisman twice,
is second in Tony dor Set I mean, sweetness.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, he was in he played for He was played
for a like what we would call now at FCS school.
I think it was at Jackson State in in the slack,
so uh you know, uhm. But Emmett was Emmett was not.
Emmett was a better pro than he was a college player,
although I thought him it was a great college player
and very underrated as.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A college player.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I mean you could, I'll give him props. You can
say Reggie I mean, you say Reggie Bush. But I
don't know if they would consider him even though he
was a running back.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Maybe it was just a jack of all trades kind
of a guy.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I realistically, I have no argument over any of them.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The wide receivers on this list are Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss,
and the second team Devonte Smith and Desmond Howard. There's
a lot of others you could pick as well. Here's
something that I think is interesting. Brock Bauers is the
all time tight end in Oklahoma's Keith Jackson from back
in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, they hardly ever throw him the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I mean he was a tight end in a wishbone
offense and he was amazing and went on to play
for the Eagles. But Brock Bauers caught more passes in
a year than Keith Jackson did in four now is
that abcs?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, that's not Jackson. That's not the same one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I can't really think of any other legitimate big time
college tight ends because again I didn't I didn't even
know where Travis Kelsey went to college Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I could say Shockey.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Jeremy Shockey gap, you could go my Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Kelln Winslow.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, Kellen Winslow senior was pretty good too, but that
was back in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Kellen Winslow junior at Miami as well. Other than that,
I can't really think of any others. So the only
one for that one is just be more along the
lines of, like you mentioned, the era that we're in,
including the tight end more.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, so Chuck Bednerick is the best center of all
time and Dave Remington is the second best center of
all time. Now, Chuck bed Nerriick has an award named
after him, that's the best lineman in the county, offensive
lineman in the country. Dave Remington has an award named
after him, that's the best center in the country. So
(11:42):
how do you discern who's the better center because they
list bed Neerick basically is a lineman and the Remington
Trophy was created because of the dominance that Dave Remington
had during the Kilrose yere Friar era at Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Here's the stupid thing is the Chuck big Eric Award
is not actually awarded to a offensive player, it's a defense.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Well, he probably played both both offense and defense.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, so because Travis Hunter won it last year, which
again is just so.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Dave Remington is considered the greatest center of all time
after they name an award after him, Yet he's not
on this He's not on the first team. Here's the
other thing. The punter is Tory Taylor of Iowa and
Reggie Roby of Iowa. Okay, both of them probably.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Won the Ray Guy Award and Ray Guy's not on
the list. Yeah, where the hell is the Ray guayak? Yeah,
let's give love to the punter, the guy that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
The awards named after, should probably be on the list somewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Now I will say the kicker that they have for
the first team is is you know, Sebastian Jenakowski.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean that dude could just kick to the moon.
That'd be pretty good. Yeah, he was pretty good. So
I have no issue with that.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Not putting Russell erks laban on from the seventies, who
was the last one I think the kick straight.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
On with his shoe popped up in with his shoelaces. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
The only one I could say, maybe could make an
argument they have on second team is Martine Gramatica. I
would say Oklahoma States Dan Bailey, you know Dan Money
Bailey when he was a cowboy until he got broken
and then just you know, all of a sudden snaphooked
every field. Well he looked at ye. The bozz is
(13:23):
on this list? Is a second team linebacker?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Sure? Why? Well, he was pretty good, especially when he
was on steroids. Exactly. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
He shouldn't be on the list. He should be disqualified,
the fact that he took steroids. My other the one
that you and I both kind of were like, you know,
side eyed, and was really the fact that Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
As second team his second team.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
So, but Gus Thomas and Spielman are first team Jerry Robinson,
Brian Bosworth and Lawrence Taylor. Well, I guess Lawrence Taylor's
accolades come from being the edge rusher that he became
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But he was pretty good at North Carolina too.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean, so was the guy that again that played
at Miami. Where's ray Lewis? How is ray Lewis novice list?
No disrespect Andy, I would put ray Lewis over Brian Bosworth.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah. I don't know about that, but I put him
over maybe Chris Bielman. Yeah, I don't know who Chris
biel He played at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I didn't know who Derek Thomas was at Alabama.
I thought it was actually the Derek Thomas from from Texas.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, that I think Derek he played at Uh, it
was Alabama from Alabama he played for the Chiefs in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, that was that was Texas Derek Thomas. Are you
sure pretty sure? Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So where did Derek Thomas from Alabama play in the NFL?
I don't know. They both played for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
They didn't one of them die trying to rescue someone
in a drowning accident.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think that was the Alabama. The Alabama because Derek
Derek Thomas UH of Texas is still a wif.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think that the Alabama Derek Thomas is the one
that I think the record still stands for most sacks
in a game by an individual player.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I think it's seven. I want to say seven sacks
recorded in a game. So but I think you and
I would at least agree.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, Chris Bielman, Yeah, he doesn't need to be first team.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
So well, I'll give this for the for the Brian
Bosworth fan in me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He did have an awesome haircut.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Though he had an awesome game against Texas one year,
but you were negative one year.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You were about to be born. Uh.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
In the eighty five game, he had fourteen tackles, eleven intercepted.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
UH. And there was a play in that game, and.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I will never forget this play ever where Todd Dodge
turns and hands the ball to Eric Metcalf and Bobsworth
grabbed Metcalf with one arm and Dodge with the other
one and tackle them both on the same play.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Steroid sir, They we didn't even know what that was
back there.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Sure, all right, We're kind to talk some spurs coming
up in the next segment as their season we'll get
under way in a couple of months, and the fact
that they're on national TV a bunch this year, and
also Mike's new favorite sport, golf in the BMW Championship,
all that coming up on the ticket
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