December 5, 2025 • 17 mins
A former UGA player is being sued by the university.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
May do you ever, along with our audio disseminator and
producer to day, Shane Carter, Shane and Dylan Emery will
have the Fanatics coming up on Sunday morning at ten,
and shortly after they're done at twelve, I'll have utsa
basketball as the road winners take on the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And there, I thought, you're just trying to promote my show,
but instead you just want to promote your game.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well you're seen me. I've got to follow you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So the opening act, I'm the opening act, You're you're
the Marquis I guts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Whatever. There's a thirty seconds thirty minute separation, so hopefully
you guys do a great job and maintain the audience
for me. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's give me such a fun show, because like, there's
nine conference games tomorrow. If I counted right or nine
or ten, I can't. I can't remember, and we're gonna
go over like obviously the big ones. But also again
everyone's looking at the a SEC championship game, and I
love that they scheduled that one as the latest and
last conference championship game of the of the weekend because
that is going to probably the term and how many
available spots are left.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's gonna be the end all be all.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, that's the eight o'cloud game or seven o'clock game.
We'll see. We got the first game is first game
by at eleven at eleven, and then Alabama is the
three o'cloud game, right.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, that one's gonna be ABC.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I believe, and then the other two or at night.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Then you got Ohio State, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well actually we're here, okay, so yeah, Tech Tech BYU
at the same time as Western Michigan and Miami of
Ohio and that's eleven. Uh, Georgia Obama is going to
be at three, and then actually Indiana, Ohio State and
Duke and Virginia are both at seven. So that's gonna
be one of those games you have to flip back
and forth unless you're me and you have the multiview
and you can watch both at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, I don't have the multi view. I'll be in
a I'll be on an airplane tomorrow in a hotel
in Alabama getting ready for basketball the next day.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So my wife hates that I watch multiview. She hasn't
realizing and you know this and our line of work.
You have to be able to watch multiple games.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You have to multitask, you have to yes, because like a.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Lot of times you're in there and you're and you're
doing prep for utsa game, or you're doing something or
whatever it is, and every single time you have like
multiple TVs. Whether it's on college basketball, college football, sometimes golf.
For whatever reason, you're rewatching a golf tournament from.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Six years ago, Mikers events going on right now in
the Bahamas exactly, Matsyama and Scotty, you're in contention.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And that's the point of like people who've actually asked
me about this job is like it's not just like
the ins and outs of like the actual radio work,
but there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that
goes into prep as well as you have to stay
as up today as you possibly can on all the sports. Now,
if you're a fan, it's a lot easier, right, Like
it's easy you as a golf fan, it's easy for
you to be up to date on all the golf news.
But if you're someone who's not like into golf that much,
(02:38):
but you know Master's Week is coming up and that's
the big deal around that time, you have to at
least know what you're talking about, so you have to
pay attention at least a little bit enough.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
To talk about it. Absolutely. So here's the question I have. Okay, tonight,
we say, of a perfect matchup. Eric Morris is coaching
North Texas and John Sumrall is coaching at Tulane, and
both are going to be elsewhere in the next six weeks,
right probably in the next three weeks, one of them
is going to win or one of them is going
to lose and go to their respective new job, probably
(03:06):
before Christmas, and the other one is going to get
to play the week before Christmas and likely lose to
one of the power for schools and in their season.
But you know, and who knows, maybe you go and
shock the world and get to the and win a
CFP game, which would be great. So when you're in
that locker room talking to guys that you've been in
the trenches with since at least this time last year,
putting together this roster, how do you think players like
(03:29):
Drew Mestimaker look at Eric Morris or Jake Ratslof looks
at John Sumraw and says, well, and I'm not talking
necessarily about I guess. I guess to a certain extent,
players are at a place now where they're like, well,
I'm leaving two, I'm going with him, so let's win
here and let them we'll move on together. And the
(03:50):
assumption is is that mess to Maker is going to
go to OSU. He may not. He's going to have
other options because Matier is going to be done at OU,
and there's to be other schools in and around both
the SEC and the Big twelve, And my.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
School might be looking for a quarterback as well. Morton's
in his last season at Texas.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Hexe Texas. Yeah, I mean, there's going to be options
and it might not be. Yeah. I like my coach,
but I may go somewhere else too. And I don't
know that Eric Morris could guarantee Oklahoma State that mess
to Maker is going to be their quarterback next year.
He'll get somebody, especially if they're paying fifteen million dollars
collectively for their roster. But if they're not, I mean,
(04:31):
he may have other options. But it's just kind of weird,
I think for a coach who's got one foot out
the door to still be trying to coach this year's
team and this is why it's so unfair, I think
to athletes and to coaches, because there's a lot of
players on both North Texas and Tulane that have no
place else to go. The overwhelming majority of that roster,
and there's eighty five scholarship players or one hundred and
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five depending on what school is investing money in scholarships,
and at least eighty percent of that roster has no
chance to go in the portal, no chance to go
anywhere else. It'll be a lateral move for no money.
They're not good enough to go play at the Big
twelve or SEC level, and they know that there's only
a handful of players that are actually going to be
in the portal from each team every year. And so
(05:13):
if you're if you were recruited by some raw or Morris,
and you're a sophomore, you know, back up right guard,
how do you go into that locker room and deal
with him as your coach knowing that not only could
this be your last game of the year, but with him,
it's going to be your last game period before he
moves on to greener pastors.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, I think I think you touched on a
little bit that players, you kind of summarize a little
bit like that. Players when they commit to a school,
they commit for different reasons. Sometimes it's because they always
wanted to go there, sometimes for the coach, sometimes it's
for business purposes, whatever it is. And so you know
right now too, Lane in North Texas are both in
the same position, different but same position that Ole Miss
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faces themselves with Lane Kiffen. Now, obviously the circumstances are
different because he's going to a school within the same conference,
whereas these two are going from the group of five
teams to an SEC team. So there's an expectation there,
and I think in the mid major is probably a
little bit different that if you excel here, the expectation
is you're going to be poached and go somewhere else.
Like that's almost a given, especially, uh, not not just now,
(06:15):
not just nowadays, but like almost all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So I think, and I think with n I L.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's become it's become so much more of a business
that now players probably take it a little bit less personally,
a little.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Bit not entirely because because the players couldn't lead without
without setting exactly setting out a year. Now they go
the coach is going on as soon as the seasons over,
I'm going to the portal too, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's level playing ground in a way to where now
they understand like this is just the business aspect of it.
Now he's now these guys are getting the opportunity to
coach at an SEC school. These guys they played well
at and Denton and New Orleans and now they maybe
they have a chance to play out a power school.
Maybe someone in Denton's going up the road to Dallas
to the UH to SMU. Maybe these guys in Chula
are going up the road to Baton Rouge. It's it's
(06:55):
a very real possibility because I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Only a handful are going that the majority of those
teams that that team is going. Man, we're gonna suck
next year because all of our guys are leaving and
so is our coach.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Because people have this misunderstanding about the transfer portal that
once you get in you can it's you can go
with any school you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It's the same thing as being recruited. You can only
be recruited by the teams.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That all you only go where people want you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Exactly, So if you're someone who committed to Tulane. You're
a four star player or whatever it is at Tulane
and you and maybe you readishater that year and you
went into the transfer portal, you actually might have a
higher up than someone who didn't play, just because if
you're being recruited by the same guys, these coaches still
remember you, and since you haven't had your potential tapped yet,
you might have have a leg up on guys that
(07:38):
have played. Now, the guys that have played and they've
excelled and and uh, what's the name? John Matier is
a great example of that, exceling at Washington State and
their transfer portal became the number one transfer portal target
in the NCUA.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A can missed to owe you.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's an example of how they could work in their favor.
But no, it's not the same concept that like I
can go wherever I want. They only take the only
the programs that want you are the ones that are
gonna take you. But when it comes to college and
the coaches, I think less feelings are probably hurt, just
because there's an understanding nowadays that it's just part of
the business. It comes with the territory and especially in
the mid majors that I don't think there's a lot
(08:11):
of hurt feelings there because I don't expect a lot
of these rosters to be looking the same next year.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, there's already a bunch of quarterbacks that have quote
unquote gotten into the portal, which I guess you can
go into, but you can't go someplace else until January. Second. Right,
but let's see here.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
These are the guys that have officially committed.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
To They're already a Brandon Fowler, Nicolosi, he's with state quarterback. Yeah,
Marcus Stokes. I don't see mess to maker in here yet.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Marcus Stokes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Is he that guy that from West Florida that I'm
not gonna expect it. I think he's the guy who
has the off the field issues if I remember who
was originally committed to Florida. But yeah, no, quarterbacks are
always the highest commodity.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, so that's that's what you're trying to get to.
So I just think it's weird that you're walking in
that practice room, you're walking into that plane, you're walking
off the plane, you're walking in the stadium, and everybody
in the stadium knows, well, you're a short timer. How
do I how do I get up for I guess
you just have to be uh into motivated for yourself
and not for necessarily the coach, because for a lot
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of those players, they're going to still be there. All right.
There's a really cool story going on right now with Georgia.
George has got this or well, actually it's he's playing
now at Missouri. Is it really cool? Though? Well? I
think it's interesting in the standpoint that this could could
set a precedence depending on what the legalities of all
this are. Now if you ask Jay Bellis on the
(09:38):
basketball side, and he's a lawyer, and the uh nick
is it Joseph the coach at Grambling that used to
play at Colorado. Oh, he's the Grambling coach right now.
He brought this up earlier this year or later last year.
Jeff Trailer has talked about it many times with us
on our show Jo Joseph. Yeah, they have said that
(10:00):
if you sign an nil deal with US for four
years and you decide after four years, after one year
or two years or three years, that you especially if
you get the money up front, maybe teams will start
paying them monthly, but that once you sign the deal.
If you take money and then don't fulfill the length
of your contract by either skipping a Bowl game or
(10:21):
deciding to transfer that, you've got to pay back a
portion or all of that in IL. So you come
to UTSA and we give you fifteen twenty thousand dollars
because that's all we got, and we promise we're going
to give you eighty. And I have no idea if
they get all eighty up front, or if it's if
it's sold out monthly or annually. But let's say I
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give you eighty thousand dollars and I plan on you
being here for four years, and you become a stud
and OU wants you and they're going to pay you
a million dollars, and so at some point, either you
or OU has to give me the rest the balance
of that eighty million or eighty thousand. If I, if
you've played for two years, then you ONMI forty. If
you played for three, you ONEI twenty. If you played
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for one year, YOUOMI sixty. And that all sounds great,
and it would be something that we all would I think,
be in favor of, except there's no legally binding contract
because you don't have a collective orgaining agreement with players
in the NCAA, and all of those contracts and language
like that violate and I trust loss. So anyway, the
(11:26):
Bulldogs Georgia has asked a judge to force former defensive
end Damon Wilson, currently the top pass rusher at Missouri,
into arbitration and to settle a clause in his former
contract that basically serves as a buyout for him leaving
the deal early. And he signed a deal two weeks
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after signing a deal with George's Classic City Collective in January,
he opted out of that and went to Missouri. And
I'm fine with you going to Missouri, but you can't
take George's money and then go to Missouri. Back in
the day when we cheated, you know, the story is
is that Eric Dickerson God took the trans am, the
maroon trans am from A and M, and drove it
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to SMU and signed with the Mustangs. And there was
no way that A and M was going to turn
him in because then they would have had to admit
that they gave him the trans Amah so uh to me, yeah, yeah, well,
especially with the color that it was. But but my
point is is that you can't take George's money and
(12:27):
then go play for Missouri. And I would think that
would be common sense. But somebody in some judge, some
court someplace may say that's a violation of antitrust laws
because you have no legally binding contract. And when we
get to the get to a point to where we
either get exemption for the un C DOUAA, or maybe
a judge says, you know what, I know this may
(12:48):
get defeated in a higher court, but I'm going to
ruin favor of Georgia. And the next court does the
same thing, and eventually it gets kicked up to Washington
and the Supreme Court decides all of this. That's where
this is, and this is why I think it's interesting
is because it could set a precedent to where teams
can actually do that, and it would force players to
think twice, especially if they get fifty thousand bucks and
(13:09):
it's supposed to be for four years and they spend
it all tomorrow. Well, okay, the school that you're transferring
to either comes up with a buyout or you can't
go h and or you can come out. You can
go borrow money from your uncle and get me my
fifty thousand back.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Here's the problem with all that is that in the
same breath, different but same breath that when you have college,
when you have head coaches fired and there and their
buyout has to be matched based on like where the.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Next job is. Is that is it not?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
At that point the responsibility of the school that post
him off the off the off the transfer portal to.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It is the responsibility of the school to pay the buyout.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
To pay the biout.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, that would be their responsibility if in this scenario,
because the first time that a university tried sue in
the next player, if the judge rules and that it
would essentially set a landmark to where a future to
where future players tried leaving the transfer portal, they can't
because of it's a potential arbitration and money lost.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I'm sure Oklahoma State had to pay North Texas whatever
the buyout was for Eric.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Morris, But I'm talking about players. There's only one head
coach for products. There's one hundred something players, right and
each one, obviously, granted, is gonna have different prices, and
some of these guys like they're gonna get more money
toward enough to where they can cover a lawsuit charge
if it was trickily attached to them and the school
wasn't going to back it.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I have no doubt that if that, if if the
player was high.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Profile enough, especially the school would back the player and
provide lawyers and even of financial assistance if in fact
they had to uh to to to give up money.
In that regard, I think though, in this case, just
because of anti trust anti trust issues, I don't believe
there's a judge that would actually touch this in that
regard because I think you're right, contracts at that level are.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Way judges don't like their their verdicts being overturned.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And because like, just because these kids are legally adults,
there's still the case that that that you could still
consider them to be young adults and not the same
mindset to really sign a contract in the same regard
as someone of.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, what, you're eighteen, you're you're you're legal, illegal.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, But some of these guys, if this is Wilson guy,
let's say he committe when he was seventeen, Like that's
a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Because he's played, he played two years for Georgia and.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Then he signed his deal when he was seventy.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, but no, he signed a new deal in January,
a new deal with the Classic City Collective.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm talking about like said, he's signed a scholarship to go.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I signed a scholarship when he was younger. But he
signed his nil deal with the Classic City Collective this
past January after two years at Missouri. So it'd be
at least nineteen, if not twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
We need a lawyer to help us out with this.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I know what the lawyer is going to say. It
violates ani trust laws. Let's go. I'll go to court
all win every time. Uh. But that's where that's where
we got to get to. It's got to it's got
to get to this if we're going to save I
don't say save the sport, because the sport will figure
out a way. That guy Andy, No, I think these
people would say that. I saw Scott Frost say college
football is dead. No it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
College people are different. It's just different. And you don't
like it because you can't because you're at a school
that you can't compete when Nebraska and all the other schools.
But the point is is that if you can, if
you if coaches have to have a buyout to go
from point A to point B. Then players need to
have something. Even if they're not employees, they're basically signing
an employee contract. Here's the one thing I'm looking forward
(16:15):
to seeing because I think this is gonna it's gonna
be disastrous for somebody. I want to know when we're
going to get the first I R S audit of
a football player who can't pay his income tax because
he didn't save enough money to pay the bill. Because
I think if that current former, I don't care that
the next the play, because I've never heard a story
about this, but a player who is is basically or
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incarcerated for income tax evasion because he didn't pay his
taxes or didn't claim claim how much he got. Usually
the I R S won't put you in jail for
not paying. If you can't pay, they try to work
out a payment. But if you if you tried to
fraud defraud them by not claiming how much you got,
that's what That's how they got al Capone. That's how
they got a bunch of the the mafia guys is
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they never filled out a tax return and they they
said they made a hundred Bucks when they made a thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Al Capone didn't fear the FBI, but he feared the IRS.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yes he did. Yeah, because the FBI could never catch him,
but the I R. S did because he never filed
tax return yet. Yet he lived a very high profile lifestyle.
Anybody that's ever embezzled money or stolen money from somebody
and they're living a life that their income tax doesn't
say they could live, that's a red flag and so
they try to figure that out. But I'm wondering when
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the first college football player a basketball player is going
to get in trouble because they didn't pay their taxes.
And every dollar you get, you probably are paying twenty
to thirty percent of that depending on how much you're getting.
All Right, spurs are going, can you their road trip?
Matt Campbell's going to Penn State and a couple other
things to get to as well. The Andy Everage show
on the ticket
May do you ever, along with our audio disseminator and
producer to day, Shane Carter, Shane and Dylan Emery will
have the Fanatics coming up on Sunday morning at ten,
and shortly after they're done at twelve, I'll have utsa
basketball as the road winners take on the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And there, I thought, you're just trying to promote my show,
but instead you just want to promote your game.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well you're seen me. I've got to follow you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So the opening act, I'm the opening act, You're you're
the Marquis I guts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Whatever. There's a thirty seconds thirty minute separation, so hopefully
you guys do a great job and maintain the audience
for me. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's give me such a fun show, because like, there's
nine conference games tomorrow. If I counted right or nine
or ten, I can't. I can't remember, and we're gonna
go over like obviously the big ones. But also again
everyone's looking at the a SEC championship game, and I
love that they scheduled that one as the latest and
last conference championship game of the of the weekend because
that is going to probably the term and how many
available spots are left.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
That's gonna be the end all be all.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, that's the eight o'cloud game or seven o'clock game.
We'll see. We got the first game is first game
by at eleven at eleven, and then Alabama is the
three o'cloud game, right.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, that one's gonna be ABC.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I believe, and then the other two or at night.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Then you got Ohio State, Indiana.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well actually we're here, okay, so yeah, Tech Tech BYU
at the same time as Western Michigan and Miami of
Ohio and that's eleven. Uh, Georgia Obama is going to
be at three, and then actually Indiana, Ohio State and
Duke and Virginia are both at seven. So that's gonna
be one of those games you have to flip back
and forth unless you're me and you have the multiview
and you can watch both at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, I don't have the multi view. I'll be in
a I'll be on an airplane tomorrow in a hotel
in Alabama getting ready for basketball the next day.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So my wife hates that I watch multiview. She hasn't
realizing and you know this and our line of work.
You have to be able to watch multiple games.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You have to multitask, you have to yes, because like a.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Lot of times you're in there and you're and you're
doing prep for utsa game, or you're doing something or
whatever it is, and every single time you have like
multiple TVs. Whether it's on college basketball, college football, sometimes golf.
For whatever reason, you're rewatching a golf tournament from.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Six years ago, Mikers events going on right now in
the Bahamas exactly, Matsyama and Scotty, you're in contention.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And that's the point of like people who've actually asked
me about this job is like it's not just like
the ins and outs of like the actual radio work,
but there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff that
goes into prep as well as you have to stay
as up today as you possibly can on all the sports. Now,
if you're a fan, it's a lot easier, right, Like
it's easy you as a golf fan, it's easy for
you to be up to date on all the golf news.
But if you're someone who's not like into golf that much,
(02:38):
but you know Master's Week is coming up and that's
the big deal around that time, you have to at
least know what you're talking about, so you have to
pay attention at least a little bit enough.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
To talk about it. Absolutely. So here's the question I have. Okay, tonight,
we say, of a perfect matchup. Eric Morris is coaching
North Texas and John Sumrall is coaching at Tulane, and
both are going to be elsewhere in the next six weeks,
right probably in the next three weeks, one of them
is going to win or one of them is going
to lose and go to their respective new job, probably
(03:06):
before Christmas, and the other one is going to get
to play the week before Christmas and likely lose to
one of the power for schools and in their season.
But you know, and who knows, maybe you go and
shock the world and get to the and win a
CFP game, which would be great. So when you're in
that locker room talking to guys that you've been in
the trenches with since at least this time last year,
putting together this roster, how do you think players like
(03:29):
Drew Mestimaker look at Eric Morris or Jake Ratslof looks
at John Sumraw and says, well, and I'm not talking
necessarily about I guess. I guess to a certain extent,
players are at a place now where they're like, well,
I'm leaving two, I'm going with him, so let's win
here and let them we'll move on together. And the
(03:50):
assumption is is that mess to Maker is going to
go to OSU. He may not. He's going to have
other options because Matier is going to be done at OU,
and there's to be other schools in and around both
the SEC and the Big twelve, And my.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
School might be looking for a quarterback as well. Morton's
in his last season at Texas.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Hexe Texas. Yeah, I mean, there's going to be options
and it might not be. Yeah. I like my coach,
but I may go somewhere else too. And I don't
know that Eric Morris could guarantee Oklahoma State that mess
to Maker is going to be their quarterback next year.
He'll get somebody, especially if they're paying fifteen million dollars
collectively for their roster. But if they're not, I mean,
(04:31):
he may have other options. But it's just kind of weird,
I think for a coach who's got one foot out
the door to still be trying to coach this year's
team and this is why it's so unfair, I think
to athletes and to coaches, because there's a lot of
players on both North Texas and Tulane that have no
place else to go. The overwhelming majority of that roster,
and there's eighty five scholarship players or one hundred and
(04:52):
five depending on what school is investing money in scholarships,
and at least eighty percent of that roster has no
chance to go in the portal, no chance to go
anywhere else. It'll be a lateral move for no money.
They're not good enough to go play at the Big
twelve or SEC level, and they know that there's only
a handful of players that are actually going to be
in the portal from each team every year. And so
(05:13):
if you're if you were recruited by some raw or Morris,
and you're a sophomore, you know, back up right guard,
how do you go into that locker room and deal
with him as your coach knowing that not only could
this be your last game of the year, but with him,
it's going to be your last game period before he
moves on to greener pastors.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, I think I think you touched on a
little bit that players, you kind of summarize a little
bit like that. Players when they commit to a school,
they commit for different reasons. Sometimes it's because they always
wanted to go there, sometimes for the coach, sometimes it's
for business purposes, whatever it is. And so you know
right now too, Lane in North Texas are both in
the same position, different but same position that Ole Miss
(05:52):
faces themselves with Lane Kiffen. Now, obviously the circumstances are
different because he's going to a school within the same conference,
whereas these two are going from the group of five
teams to an SEC team. So there's an expectation there,
and I think in the mid major is probably a
little bit different that if you excel here, the expectation
is you're going to be poached and go somewhere else.
Like that's almost a given, especially, uh, not not just now,
(06:15):
not just nowadays, but like almost all the time.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So I think, and I think with n I L.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's become it's become so much more of a business
that now players probably take it a little bit less personally,
a little.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Bit not entirely because because the players couldn't lead without
without setting exactly setting out a year. Now they go
the coach is going on as soon as the seasons over,
I'm going to the portal too, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's level playing ground in a way to where now
they understand like this is just the business aspect of it.
Now he's now these guys are getting the opportunity to
coach at an SEC school. These guys they played well
at and Denton and New Orleans and now they maybe
they have a chance to play out a power school.
Maybe someone in Denton's going up the road to Dallas
to the UH to SMU. Maybe these guys in Chula
are going up the road to Baton Rouge. It's it's
(06:55):
a very real possibility because I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Only a handful are going that the majority of those
teams that that team is going. Man, we're gonna suck
next year because all of our guys are leaving and
so is our coach.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Because people have this misunderstanding about the transfer portal that
once you get in you can it's you can go
with any school you want to.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It's the same thing as being recruited. You can only
be recruited by the teams.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That all you only go where people want you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Exactly, So if you're someone who committed to Tulane. You're
a four star player or whatever it is at Tulane
and you and maybe you readishater that year and you
went into the transfer portal, you actually might have a
higher up than someone who didn't play, just because if
you're being recruited by the same guys, these coaches still
remember you, and since you haven't had your potential tapped yet,
you might have have a leg up on guys that
(07:38):
have played. Now, the guys that have played and they've
excelled and and uh, what's the name? John Matier is
a great example of that, exceling at Washington State and
their transfer portal became the number one transfer portal target
in the NCUA.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
A can missed to owe you.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's an example of how they could work in their favor.
But no, it's not the same concept that like I
can go wherever I want. They only take the only
the programs that want you are the ones that are
gonna take you. But when it comes to college and
the coaches, I think less feelings are probably hurt, just
because there's an understanding nowadays that it's just part of
the business. It comes with the territory and especially in
the mid majors that I don't think there's a lot
(08:11):
of hurt feelings there because I don't expect a lot
of these rosters to be looking the same next year.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, there's already a bunch of quarterbacks that have quote
unquote gotten into the portal, which I guess you can
go into, but you can't go someplace else until January. Second. Right,
but let's see here.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
These are the guys that have officially committed.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
To They're already a Brandon Fowler, Nicolosi, he's with state quarterback. Yeah,
Marcus Stokes. I don't see mess to maker in here yet.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Marcus Stokes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Is he that guy that from West Florida that I'm
not gonna expect it. I think he's the guy who
has the off the field issues if I remember who
was originally committed to Florida. But yeah, no, quarterbacks are
always the highest commodity.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, so that's that's what you're trying to get to.
So I just think it's weird that you're walking in
that practice room, you're walking into that plane, you're walking
off the plane, you're walking in the stadium, and everybody
in the stadium knows, well, you're a short timer. How
do I how do I get up for I guess
you just have to be uh into motivated for yourself
and not for necessarily the coach, because for a lot
(09:15):
of those players, they're going to still be there. All right.
There's a really cool story going on right now with Georgia.
George has got this or well, actually it's he's playing
now at Missouri. Is it really cool? Though? Well? I
think it's interesting in the standpoint that this could could
set a precedence depending on what the legalities of all
this are. Now if you ask Jay Bellis on the
(09:38):
basketball side, and he's a lawyer, and the uh nick
is it Joseph the coach at Grambling that used to
play at Colorado. Oh, he's the Grambling coach right now.
He brought this up earlier this year or later last year.
Jeff Trailer has talked about it many times with us
on our show Jo Joseph. Yeah, they have said that
(10:00):
if you sign an nil deal with US for four
years and you decide after four years, after one year
or two years or three years, that you especially if
you get the money up front, maybe teams will start
paying them monthly, but that once you sign the deal.
If you take money and then don't fulfill the length
of your contract by either skipping a Bowl game or
(10:21):
deciding to transfer that, you've got to pay back a
portion or all of that in IL. So you come
to UTSA and we give you fifteen twenty thousand dollars
because that's all we got, and we promise we're going
to give you eighty. And I have no idea if
they get all eighty up front, or if it's if
it's sold out monthly or annually. But let's say I
(10:42):
give you eighty thousand dollars and I plan on you
being here for four years, and you become a stud
and OU wants you and they're going to pay you
a million dollars, and so at some point, either you
or OU has to give me the rest the balance
of that eighty million or eighty thousand. If I, if
you've played for two years, then you ONMI forty. If
you played for three, you ONEI twenty. If you played
(11:02):
for one year, YOUOMI sixty. And that all sounds great,
and it would be something that we all would I think,
be in favor of, except there's no legally binding contract
because you don't have a collective orgaining agreement with players
in the NCAA, and all of those contracts and language
like that violate and I trust loss. So anyway, the
(11:26):
Bulldogs Georgia has asked a judge to force former defensive
end Damon Wilson, currently the top pass rusher at Missouri,
into arbitration and to settle a clause in his former
contract that basically serves as a buyout for him leaving
the deal early. And he signed a deal two weeks
(11:46):
after signing a deal with George's Classic City Collective in January,
he opted out of that and went to Missouri. And
I'm fine with you going to Missouri, but you can't
take George's money and then go to Missouri. Back in
the day when we cheated, you know, the story is
is that Eric Dickerson God took the trans am, the
maroon trans am from A and M, and drove it
(12:07):
to SMU and signed with the Mustangs. And there was
no way that A and M was going to turn
him in because then they would have had to admit
that they gave him the trans Amah so uh to me, yeah, yeah, well,
especially with the color that it was. But but my
point is is that you can't take George's money and
(12:27):
then go play for Missouri. And I would think that
would be common sense. But somebody in some judge, some
court someplace may say that's a violation of antitrust laws
because you have no legally binding contract. And when we
get to the get to a point to where we
either get exemption for the un C DOUAA, or maybe
a judge says, you know what, I know this may
(12:48):
get defeated in a higher court, but I'm going to
ruin favor of Georgia. And the next court does the
same thing, and eventually it gets kicked up to Washington
and the Supreme Court decides all of this. That's where
this is, and this is why I think it's interesting
is because it could set a precedent to where teams
can actually do that, and it would force players to
think twice, especially if they get fifty thousand bucks and
(13:09):
it's supposed to be for four years and they spend
it all tomorrow. Well, okay, the school that you're transferring
to either comes up with a buyout or you can't
go h and or you can come out. You can
go borrow money from your uncle and get me my
fifty thousand back.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We'll see.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Here's the problem with all that is that in the
same breath, different but same breath that when you have college,
when you have head coaches fired and there and their
buyout has to be matched based on like where the.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Next job is. Is that is it not?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
At that point the responsibility of the school that post
him off the off the off the transfer portal to.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It is the responsibility of the school to pay the buyout.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
To pay the biout.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, that would be their responsibility if in this scenario,
because the first time that a university tried sue in
the next player, if the judge rules and that it
would essentially set a landmark to where a future to
where future players tried leaving the transfer portal, they can't
because of it's a potential arbitration and money lost.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I'm sure Oklahoma State had to pay North Texas whatever
the buyout was for Eric.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Morris, But I'm talking about players. There's only one head
coach for products. There's one hundred something players, right and
each one, obviously, granted, is gonna have different prices, and
some of these guys like they're gonna get more money
toward enough to where they can cover a lawsuit charge
if it was trickily attached to them and the school
wasn't going to back it.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I have no doubt that if that, if if the
player was high.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Profile enough, especially the school would back the player and
provide lawyers and even of financial assistance if in fact
they had to uh to to to give up money.
In that regard, I think though, in this case, just
because of anti trust anti trust issues, I don't believe
there's a judge that would actually touch this in that
regard because I think you're right, contracts at that level are.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Way judges don't like their their verdicts being overturned.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And because like, just because these kids are legally adults,
there's still the case that that that you could still
consider them to be young adults and not the same
mindset to really sign a contract in the same regard
as someone of.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, what, you're eighteen, you're you're you're legal, illegal.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, But some of these guys, if this is Wilson guy,
let's say he committe when he was seventeen, Like that's
a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Because he's played, he played two years for Georgia and.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Then he signed his deal when he was seventy.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, but no, he signed a new deal in January,
a new deal with the Classic City Collective.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm talking about like said, he's signed a scholarship to go.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I signed a scholarship when he was younger. But he
signed his nil deal with the Classic City Collective this
past January after two years at Missouri. So it'd be
at least nineteen, if not twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
We need a lawyer to help us out with this.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I know what the lawyer is going to say. It
violates ani trust laws. Let's go. I'll go to court
all win every time. Uh. But that's where that's where
we got to get to. It's got to it's got
to get to this if we're going to save I
don't say save the sport, because the sport will figure
out a way. That guy Andy, No, I think these
people would say that. I saw Scott Frost say college
football is dead. No it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
College people are different. It's just different. And you don't
like it because you can't because you're at a school
that you can't compete when Nebraska and all the other schools.
But the point is is that if you can, if
you if coaches have to have a buyout to go
from point A to point B. Then players need to
have something. Even if they're not employees, they're basically signing
an employee contract. Here's the one thing I'm looking forward
(16:15):
to seeing because I think this is gonna it's gonna
be disastrous for somebody. I want to know when we're
going to get the first I R S audit of
a football player who can't pay his income tax because
he didn't save enough money to pay the bill. Because
I think if that current former, I don't care that
the next the play, because I've never heard a story
about this, but a player who is is basically or
(16:40):
incarcerated for income tax evasion because he didn't pay his
taxes or didn't claim claim how much he got. Usually
the I R S won't put you in jail for
not paying. If you can't pay, they try to work
out a payment. But if you if you tried to
fraud defraud them by not claiming how much you got,
that's what That's how they got al Capone. That's how
they got a bunch of the the mafia guys is
(17:01):
they never filled out a tax return and they they
said they made a hundred Bucks when they made a thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Al Capone didn't fear the FBI, but he feared the IRS.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yes he did. Yeah, because the FBI could never catch him,
but the I R. S did because he never filed
tax return yet. Yet he lived a very high profile lifestyle.
Anybody that's ever embezzled money or stolen money from somebody
and they're living a life that their income tax doesn't
say they could live, that's a red flag and so
they try to figure that out. But I'm wondering when
(17:29):
the first college football player a basketball player is going
to get in trouble because they didn't pay their taxes.
And every dollar you get, you probably are paying twenty
to thirty percent of that depending on how much you're getting.
All Right, spurs are going, can you their road trip?
Matt Campbell's going to Penn State and a couple other
things to get to as well. The Andy Everage show
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