August 22, 2025 • 11 mins
Sides believe Shedeur Sanders was to not be drafted by some teams.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
By the way, this weekend on Sunday at ten o'clock
gets the fanatics and you guys are going to talk
a lot more Project Marvel, You and You and Dylan. Yes,
you're gonna have Mark White on again. Correct Mark White.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, also have former mayor Ron Nuremberg, okay, and Channel
four Zone Don Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They're all going to join us.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I have a suggestion I touched on this at the
beginning of the show today. I would really like for somebody.
You know, in politics you always have to get favors done.
So I know that the four that were the naysayers
of all of this, they probably feel a little bit
(00:43):
slighted that they didn't get their way. But let's let's
let the other seven come up with Hey, let's we'll
get you. We'll make sure that you win a battle
at some point. But how about unifying city council. How
about all four of them in the next couple of
weeks come out and go, this isn't exactly what I want,
but it's better than the alternative. Let's let's tell everybody
in all of our constituents, let's do this. Well, well,
(01:06):
it's not going to cost the citizens' money. That's what
I think people want to hear. And we still have
this education process to go through. But I think if
all ten of them on the city councilor all eleven
on the City Council, including the mayor, make a unified
speech or unified message to everyone in San Antonio, unless
(01:27):
you're in a car or stay in a hotel room,
you're not going to miss a penny.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And to make it clear, just because me and Dylan
both believe in fairness, our invitation to marriage Gino artist
Jones still stands because we want to give everybody their
their fair share.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, and I certainly applaud that, but I just I've
heard what she said. Let's pause the stuff for thirty
days so we can do more studies. Why can't you
do the study what without pausing? Why do you need
to wait till September seventeenth to determine whether you put
it on the ballot or September twenty first to put
it on the ballot or not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You have.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Until November fourth to do whatever study you want. But
at some time between now and November fourth, if the
four of you that said now we want to pause,
which basically is akin to we're going to vote no.
And when we get a chance to vote, if you
tell everybody that your constituents, hey, we're going to vote
yes for this, you should too. And here's why. And yes,
(02:23):
we have some questions about this and that, but we're
one thousand percent convinced that nobody in San Antonio that
doesn't rent a car or stay in a hotel room
in Bear County it's gonna miss a penny. And even
if in the pennies that you are going to miss
if you do that are inconsequential. When you look at
one percent of whatever your total purchase is going to be,
it's not going to prevent you from doing it anyway.
(02:45):
It's not going to affect the people who don't have income.
It's not a sales tax, it's not something that you're donating.
This is something that is good for the economy, it's
good for the city, it's good for everyone involved. I
think that would be a great message that could be
sent and then sometime down the road, we'll do you
a favor. But that's what politics is all about, all right.
(03:06):
Speaking of politics, Eric Dickerson, what show was he on today?
Was he on Dan Patrick or that I know that
Albert Breer is but where was where is this comment
from Eric?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the comment, actually, I'm not clear where the comment
came from. The comment was played over the Dan Patrick Show,
and that's where it's starting to cook from.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Here's Eric Dickerson saying that Shador Sanders, well, he was
kind of up against it when it came to being
drafted in the early rounds back in April.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'll tell you as much here what I what I
heard from someone that's in the NFL that the NFL
put it told of the don't draft him, do not
draft him. We're gonna make hi, we're gonna make an
example out of him. And this came from a very
good source, a very good source, and he said that
I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns and said,
don't do that. Really, yep, draft him, don't don'tn't do
(03:54):
that because they weren't go drafted either. They weren't drafted.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, So what we are basically hearing there is that
I guess I would. I don't think you could do
this with all thirty two teams because if you have
a disgruntled owner that's upset with another disgruntled owner that's
trying to pull a fast one like this. You're probably
not going to get thirty two guys to agree on anything.
Even when they vote on stuff, it's rarely thirty two
(04:19):
to nothing. It maybe, you know, twenty six to six
or something like that. But basically, Eric Dickerson is saying
that the NFL colluded to not draft him, to make
an example out of him because of the cockiness of
his attitude and the way he treated his interviews with
the Giants, and it's well, well, we may not go
to this team or that team, Like who do you
think you are, Eli Manning or John Elway. You're not
(04:42):
in that neighborhood yet. But Albert Breer on the Monday
Morning from Monday Morning Quarterback was on with Dan and
he doesn't believe what Eric Dickerson says he's heard.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I always think these sorts of conspiracies are a little
a little overdone. Like I don't think there's anything conspiracy here.
I think it's relatively simple what happened. I think the
great majority of NFL teams did not view him as
a first round prospect, contrary to what had been out
there for the year previous and then I think what
(05:12):
happens is once you get past the first round, you
look at the history over over the years, not a
lot of quarterbacks go in the second or third rounds.
It's just the reality of it, like that most teams
look at it like, if there's a guy who's going
to be our long term answer at the position, we
just take him in the first round. And if a
guy is not going to be your long term answer
(05:33):
at the position, then you probably aren't going to take
them in the second or third round because you're going
to be looking for a long term answer at another
position with those picks. So the fatas Shad or Sanders like,
I think he fell out of the first round for
football reasons. I think he kept falling for everything else, right,
like for the fact that most coaches look at their
backup quarterbacks and say, I want you to blend in
(05:56):
with the furniture. I don't want to. I don't I
don't want to notice that you're even here. You know,
that's the way, For better or worse, Most teams approach
the quarterback position, which I think, to some degree short
circuited the careers of guys like Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick.
So I like Chadar's case was complicated going into the draft,
(06:16):
but I don't think it was that complicated where there
was some sort of weird conspiracy to keep him out
of the league.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, I can see that there were some teams that
did not like his attitude and said I don't want
him on the team, and the Giants were probably one
of them, and there's probably other teams out there that,
you know, he shows up like I'm the best player
in the draft when most coaches didn't think he was.
And his skill set has some weaknesses in it, though
(06:43):
I think they can still be developed. I do think
Chador has got a good football mind. One of the
things that people always talked about about Primetime was his
ability to understand the game. And I think I think
Dion is a very very underrated coach. I'll talk more
about that with the when I talk about the Cowboys
Netflix feature in the six o'clock hour. But I think
(07:06):
Shador's got some football knowledge and foot and I think
he's limbited on some skills. I would like to see
him be more mobile. He's not as mobile as you
would think that he could be. With the athleticism that
he has. He throws a good ball thirty yards, but
I'm not sure he can throw one fifty or sixty.
But I think he's turned. He's gotten to a good spot.
(07:27):
And here's why I think he's got the good spot
despite the fact that Cleveland's not very good and they're
going to be terrible this year, and I don't think
they can win five games. I cannot see that after
Week six or seven that they're just going to send
Joe Flacco out there as a sacrificial land. I cannot
see Kenny Pickett playing more than five snaps all year
for any team, let alone that team. And as I
(07:50):
said earlier in the show, and I've said for months,
I hope Deshaun Watson is either on another team or
out of the NFL. I think his behavior is reprehensible,
and the NFL has done very little to discipline him
for all the things that happened in Houston and may
have happened to other places as well. So this basically
comes down to mid season. Is Dylan Gabriel or shod
(08:13):
Or Sanders going to play football for Cleveland and the
reason that one of those has to play after the
assuming that the Browns get off to a one in
six or one in seven start. Is I got to know?
What I got is that the two guys, and maybe
you keep them both and you just alternate games the
last half of the season to see which one of
them is better, and maybe the back half of the
(08:34):
season you actually have some chances to win games. But
at least you have seven or eight games on these
guys to see what they can do in the heat
of a real game. Do they make the right reads,
do they make the right throws? If the guy drops it,
was it his fault that he dropped it? Probably not,
but let's make sure that he throws the ball that
can be caught. All of those things I think can
be evaluated by the Brown staff going forward in the
(08:58):
back half of this football see. And if you are
in a position to draft highly in the draft or
to trade for the draft, and either one of those
players shows some prowess, maybe you can trade them for
a future round pick, a late pick, and then go
get the quarterback that you need with your next first
round pick. You gotta know if those guys can play
or not. Whichever one that you think can coming out
(09:21):
of camp probably gets the early nod. But between now
and November, or maybe even mid October, I got to
think that one of those guys is starting ahead of
Joe Flacco, and my guess is it would be Sanders,
because right now you might be able to get more,
maybe not a lot more, a seventh pick or a
sixth round pick as opposed to a for Sanders and
(09:41):
a maybe a six or a five for Gabriel based
on the fact that he was slotted higher in the draft.
But you got to make a decision on what you're
going to do going forward in the future, and is
either one of those guys a part of that future?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Andy, I believe, and I also don't believe that there
was collusion in this, because there's two ways of looking
at it. Okay, Are we supposed to believe believe that
every single team, every single GM, you, every single owner,
some of whom hate each other. By the way, for
those who don't know, Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson of
the Jets hate each other, they would never agree on anything.
Just at a principle, Am I supposed to believe they
would all agree on this? There has been other things
that have come through the NFL that the owners wouldn't
(10:15):
agree on. Remember the Kaepernick stuff. All thirty two owners
an agree on that. There was other stuff like when
where they implement whenever the NFL started implementing things for
breast cancer, for Pride Month and stuff like that. They
don't agree on that. But for some reason, we're supposed
to believe that Shador Sanders is the end all be all.
This is this is the breaking point.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
This is the one thing that's gonna change all these
guys' minds. All thirty two teams in all thirty two
different cities are just gonna agree he shouldn't be drafted.
I don't believe that for a second.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, it's too hard to get everybody on the same page.
Because anytime there's a conspiracy theory, anytime there's collusion, any
it doesn't take. It's hard to keep a secret with
one or two people, let alone thirty two. Yep, somebody's
gonna blab all right, let's talk about a trade today
in the NFL. Uh, And we're going to get into
the pros and cons of the SEC's nine game schedule
(11:03):
coming up next year. On the ticket
By the way, this weekend on Sunday at ten o'clock
gets the fanatics and you guys are going to talk
a lot more Project Marvel, You and You and Dylan. Yes,
you're gonna have Mark White on again. Correct Mark White.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, also have former mayor Ron Nuremberg, okay, and Channel
four Zone Don Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They're all going to join us.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I have a suggestion I touched on this at the
beginning of the show today. I would really like for somebody.
You know, in politics you always have to get favors done.
So I know that the four that were the naysayers
of all of this, they probably feel a little bit
(00:43):
slighted that they didn't get their way. But let's let's
let the other seven come up with Hey, let's we'll
get you. We'll make sure that you win a battle
at some point. But how about unifying city council. How
about all four of them in the next couple of
weeks come out and go, this isn't exactly what I want,
but it's better than the alternative. Let's let's tell everybody
in all of our constituents, let's do this. Well, well,
(01:06):
it's not going to cost the citizens' money. That's what
I think people want to hear. And we still have
this education process to go through. But I think if
all ten of them on the city councilor all eleven
on the City Council, including the mayor, make a unified
speech or unified message to everyone in San Antonio, unless
(01:27):
you're in a car or stay in a hotel room,
you're not going to miss a penny.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And to make it clear, just because me and Dylan
both believe in fairness, our invitation to marriage Gino artist
Jones still stands because we want to give everybody their
their fair share.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, and I certainly applaud that, but I just I've
heard what she said. Let's pause the stuff for thirty
days so we can do more studies. Why can't you
do the study what without pausing? Why do you need
to wait till September seventeenth to determine whether you put
it on the ballot or September twenty first to put
it on the ballot or not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You have.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Until November fourth to do whatever study you want. But
at some time between now and November fourth, if the
four of you that said now we want to pause,
which basically is akin to we're going to vote no.
And when we get a chance to vote, if you
tell everybody that your constituents, hey, we're going to vote
yes for this, you should too. And here's why. And yes,
(02:23):
we have some questions about this and that, but we're
one thousand percent convinced that nobody in San Antonio that
doesn't rent a car or stay in a hotel room
in Bear County it's gonna miss a penny. And even
if in the pennies that you are going to miss
if you do that are inconsequential. When you look at
one percent of whatever your total purchase is going to be,
it's not going to prevent you from doing it anyway.
(02:45):
It's not going to affect the people who don't have income.
It's not a sales tax, it's not something that you're donating.
This is something that is good for the economy, it's
good for the city, it's good for everyone involved. I
think that would be a great message that could be
sent and then sometime down the road, we'll do you
a favor. But that's what politics is all about, all right.
(03:06):
Speaking of politics, Eric Dickerson, what show was he on today?
Was he on Dan Patrick or that I know that
Albert Breer is but where was where is this comment
from Eric?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So the comment, actually, I'm not clear where the comment
came from. The comment was played over the Dan Patrick Show,
and that's where it's starting to cook from.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Here's Eric Dickerson saying that Shador Sanders, well, he was
kind of up against it when it came to being
drafted in the early rounds back in April.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'll tell you as much here what I what I
heard from someone that's in the NFL that the NFL
put it told of the don't draft him, do not
draft him. We're gonna make hi, we're gonna make an
example out of him. And this came from a very
good source, a very good source, and he said that
I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns and said,
don't do that. Really, yep, draft him, don't don'tn't do
(03:54):
that because they weren't go drafted either. They weren't drafted.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, So what we are basically hearing there is that
I guess I would. I don't think you could do
this with all thirty two teams because if you have
a disgruntled owner that's upset with another disgruntled owner that's
trying to pull a fast one like this. You're probably
not going to get thirty two guys to agree on anything.
Even when they vote on stuff, it's rarely thirty two
(04:19):
to nothing. It maybe, you know, twenty six to six
or something like that. But basically, Eric Dickerson is saying
that the NFL colluded to not draft him, to make
an example out of him because of the cockiness of
his attitude and the way he treated his interviews with
the Giants, and it's well, well, we may not go
to this team or that team, Like who do you
think you are, Eli Manning or John Elway. You're not
(04:42):
in that neighborhood yet. But Albert Breer on the Monday
Morning from Monday Morning Quarterback was on with Dan and
he doesn't believe what Eric Dickerson says he's heard.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I always think these sorts of conspiracies are a little
a little overdone. Like I don't think there's anything conspiracy here.
I think it's relatively simple what happened. I think the
great majority of NFL teams did not view him as
a first round prospect, contrary to what had been out
there for the year previous and then I think what
(05:12):
happens is once you get past the first round, you
look at the history over over the years, not a
lot of quarterbacks go in the second or third rounds.
It's just the reality of it, like that most teams
look at it like, if there's a guy who's going
to be our long term answer at the position, we
just take him in the first round. And if a
guy is not going to be your long term answer
(05:33):
at the position, then you probably aren't going to take
them in the second or third round because you're going
to be looking for a long term answer at another
position with those picks. So the fatas Shad or Sanders like,
I think he fell out of the first round for
football reasons. I think he kept falling for everything else, right,
like for the fact that most coaches look at their
backup quarterbacks and say, I want you to blend in
(05:56):
with the furniture. I don't want to. I don't I
don't want to notice that you're even here. You know,
that's the way, For better or worse, Most teams approach
the quarterback position, which I think, to some degree short
circuited the careers of guys like Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick.
So I like Chadar's case was complicated going into the draft,
(06:16):
but I don't think it was that complicated where there
was some sort of weird conspiracy to keep him out
of the league.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Okay, I can see that there were some teams that
did not like his attitude and said I don't want
him on the team, and the Giants were probably one
of them, and there's probably other teams out there that,
you know, he shows up like I'm the best player
in the draft when most coaches didn't think he was.
And his skill set has some weaknesses in it, though
(06:43):
I think they can still be developed. I do think
Chador has got a good football mind. One of the
things that people always talked about about Primetime was his
ability to understand the game. And I think I think
Dion is a very very underrated coach. I'll talk more
about that with the when I talk about the Cowboys
Netflix feature in the six o'clock hour. But I think
(07:06):
Shador's got some football knowledge and foot and I think
he's limbited on some skills. I would like to see
him be more mobile. He's not as mobile as you
would think that he could be. With the athleticism that
he has. He throws a good ball thirty yards, but
I'm not sure he can throw one fifty or sixty.
But I think he's turned. He's gotten to a good spot.
(07:27):
And here's why I think he's got the good spot
despite the fact that Cleveland's not very good and they're
going to be terrible this year, and I don't think
they can win five games. I cannot see that after
Week six or seven that they're just going to send
Joe Flacco out there as a sacrificial land. I cannot
see Kenny Pickett playing more than five snaps all year
for any team, let alone that team. And as I
(07:50):
said earlier in the show, and I've said for months,
I hope Deshaun Watson is either on another team or
out of the NFL. I think his behavior is reprehensible,
and the NFL has done very little to discipline him
for all the things that happened in Houston and may
have happened to other places as well. So this basically
comes down to mid season. Is Dylan Gabriel or shod
(08:13):
Or Sanders going to play football for Cleveland and the
reason that one of those has to play after the
assuming that the Browns get off to a one in
six or one in seven start. Is I got to know?
What I got is that the two guys, and maybe
you keep them both and you just alternate games the
last half of the season to see which one of
them is better, and maybe the back half of the
(08:34):
season you actually have some chances to win games. But
at least you have seven or eight games on these
guys to see what they can do in the heat
of a real game. Do they make the right reads,
do they make the right throws? If the guy drops it,
was it his fault that he dropped it? Probably not,
but let's make sure that he throws the ball that
can be caught. All of those things I think can
be evaluated by the Brown staff going forward in the
(08:58):
back half of this football see. And if you are
in a position to draft highly in the draft or
to trade for the draft, and either one of those
players shows some prowess, maybe you can trade them for
a future round pick, a late pick, and then go
get the quarterback that you need with your next first
round pick. You gotta know if those guys can play
or not. Whichever one that you think can coming out
(09:21):
of camp probably gets the early nod. But between now
and November, or maybe even mid October, I got to
think that one of those guys is starting ahead of
Joe Flacco, and my guess is it would be Sanders,
because right now you might be able to get more,
maybe not a lot more, a seventh pick or a
sixth round pick as opposed to a for Sanders and
(09:41):
a maybe a six or a five for Gabriel based
on the fact that he was slotted higher in the draft.
But you got to make a decision on what you're
going to do going forward in the future, and is
either one of those guys a part of that future?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Andy, I believe, and I also don't believe that there
was collusion in this, because there's two ways of looking
at it. Okay, Are we supposed to believe believe that
every single team, every single GM, you, every single owner,
some of whom hate each other. By the way, for
those who don't know, Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson of
the Jets hate each other, they would never agree on anything.
Just at a principle, Am I supposed to believe they
would all agree on this? There has been other things
that have come through the NFL that the owners wouldn't
(10:15):
agree on. Remember the Kaepernick stuff. All thirty two owners
an agree on that. There was other stuff like when
where they implement whenever the NFL started implementing things for
breast cancer, for Pride Month and stuff like that. They
don't agree on that. But for some reason, we're supposed
to believe that Shador Sanders is the end all be all.
This is this is the breaking point.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
This is the one thing that's gonna change all these
guys' minds. All thirty two teams in all thirty two
different cities are just gonna agree he shouldn't be drafted.
I don't believe that for a second.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, it's too hard to get everybody on the same page.
Because anytime there's a conspiracy theory, anytime there's collusion, any
it doesn't take. It's hard to keep a secret with
one or two people, let alone thirty two. Yep, somebody's
gonna blab all right, let's talk about a trade today
in the NFL. Uh, And we're going to get into
the pros and cons of the SEC's nine game schedule
(11:03):
coming up next year. On the ticket
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