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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Jay Billis's comments that he thinks it's a bad taste
for coaches to leave in the midst of a tournament
after the regular season and the conference tournament have ended,
and still be coaching the team that you're at, but
knowing that you're leaving as soon as the season's over.
He thinks that's a little bit disingenuous, and it's kind
(00:27):
of a betrayal and trust of the players. Players and
coaches don't trust each other anymore anyway. This is entirely
transactional world that we're in. But I'll give you a
scenario that I think every coach has out there, and
right now, pretty much on the lot of rosters, most
of the players are getting paid something. So let me
throw this scenario out there. You go out and you
(00:48):
see a player that you want to get in the
transfer portal, and you go, I'll tell you what, I've
got two hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the collectives
to pay you. And the guy goes, great, is only
making fifty somewhere else. I'll come play for you, And
he signs the deal for two hundred and fifty thousand,
and now you need his back up. But you don't
have any money for him, so you know, the collectives say, well,
(01:10):
maybe we can throw in ten thousand for this guy,
and some boosters the one that through it. That may
was the main purp reason that you had two hundred
and fifty for Player A, and also the reason you
only had ten for Player BES, because you need to
back up in case that guy gets hurt. First three
weeks of training camp come around and player bes better,
(01:31):
and the season begins and player Be's even better than that,
and your conference season comes around and Player A is
not developed at all and he's pretty much a bust.
But player Be's the guy that can help you win games.
As a coach, Are you playing Player A because the
boosters are paying him two hundred fifty grand? Are you
playing player bees only getting ten because he's better and
(01:52):
he can help you win? And I think that's a
delimit that a lot of coaches will face. And at
some point player BE is going to go, I'm the
one that should be getting the two fifty, and the
guy that didn't develop and isn't very good he should
be he should be getting a lot less. And that's
where you're gonna have animosity with teams and the players
know who can play and who can't. And if a
(02:13):
player is on the floor only because he's getting paid
and there's a guy sitting on the bench that can
actually make them better, that's when you're gonna have discourse
amongst the players and the coaches. Most of the time,
players can see through anything that you're a bsing, but
they can also see exactly what you're trying to do
when you're telling them the truth. And if you're playing
(02:34):
the better player even though he's getting paid less, and
you're telling the booster, hey, we messed up.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We'll do better next time.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You may not be the coach because the booster may
not like your decision, but you're gonna win games and
you're gonna get a job someplace else.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well look at, say, for instance, look at John Keller party.
You know, John Keller party at.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A prestigious blue blood school.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
For the longest time with Kentucky, every single year it's hey,
I'm getting a McDonald's all Americans and one and Dons
and one and don's, but not getting the results. And
in nil it's hey, these boosters, Hey, we're shelling out
a lot of money to make sure that we're still
getting these McDonald's all Americans, not that they wouldn't, but
(03:16):
now you're getting the opportunity to have more. And then
he's like, I can't take it anymore because it's like
Alabama to where, hey, you lose one game. How dare
you lose one game and not be in the National
championship every single year?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
What does he do?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Goes to Arkansas, you know, and granted, yes Walmart is there,
they have the money.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Cho there's not.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
As much pressure at Arkansas that there there will.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Be a time, but there's not as much As.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Soon as he gets them to a championship game, they're
gonna expect to.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Be in the championship game every year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's like even little old Florida Atlantic that got to
the championship game two years ago wonders why they're not.
There's why they're not cruentally going back. Well, because you
don't have as much money is Florida and Alabama and.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The other schools in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And it's the same thing I said and compared in
trying to get utsa's programs off the ground. If you
are not an alumnus of UTSA and you're an alumnus
of Baylor or Texas A and M or Texas or
Texas Tech. And the Baylor comes in the mail and says,
will you give us some money, and the same call
comes from UTSA. You don't necessarily have any allegiance to UTSA.
(04:27):
And so because the school is so young and there
aren't that many rich or I would say wealthy boosters
from UTSA, Yet a lot of times those people decided
to go to another school that they want to give
their money to.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you're free to do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But as we said last night, if you've got fifty thousand,
one hundred thousand to give to your school, Texas A
and M and Texas will thank you for it, but
you're not going to pay the light bill for more
than about ten minutes, whereas that kind of money could
be much more impactful at a smaller school. But back
to what Jay Billis said, we live in a transactional
world right now with everything, and if somebody's gonna pay
(05:07):
you more, you're gonna take it. We saw it with
live golf that was transactional. We had fifteen players and
about eight of them mattered that said pay me, and
I don't have to work hard anymore. And that's what
the transfer portal in Iolad's done. I'm gonna go to
your school. You promise me, I'm gonna get this amount
of money. I'm gonna get it as long as I
(05:28):
show up for class and I come to practice every
day with a smile on my face. And if you
make me do something I don't want to do, I'm
just gonna quit and go someplace else. And we are
setting terrible examples for the athletes, We're setting terrible examples
for the people, and we're just trying to win based
on how much money we can raise. I think coaches
(05:48):
desperately want to develop players, and I think they don't
want to be a farm system for the teams that
are better than they are and bigger than they are.
And I would bet every starter in the American Conference
in football in every school has been DMed with an
offer to go to a bigger school or to transfer
within the conference where they have more money. And typically
(06:11):
they may actually think that they can play for him,
but more often than not, they're just taking him for depth.
If it's a big school, and if it's the lateral move,
they're doing it so they don't have to play against them,
and that's why. And I trust exemption and contracts that
say you have to be bought out if you're going
to leave make the most sense. And when that happens,
we'll have some stability and some sanity to what's going on.
(06:33):
Until that, it's the wild, wild West and it's going
to continue to be ridiculously stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, donate ten thousand dollars to UTSA. And you know,
you can go play golf with head coach Jeff Trailer.
I don't know if Coach Trailer plays golf, but he
says he does about twice a year. Well, see, there
you go twice a year. We can do that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But one thing that they do at the basketball auction
or the football I mean the football auction, they have
a dinner where you and A and three of your
friends can have dinner with coach Traylor, and the bids
like fifteen thousand or ten thousand. But here's the catch,
there's more than one. It's like, it's like twenty of
(07:12):
you having dinner with Jeff Trailer because they've got twenty things.
Jeff heads at the head of the table with his
wife and he hosts twenty five people that contributed ten
or twelve grand each in the fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So it's a great way to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And he is so personal and if they have people
are that way and are generally going to give that
much money to the program, he'll have as many dinners
as he can get to because.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's who he is.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You know. It's a breadth of fresh air to have
coaches that don't want to light to players, because most do.
Most will tell you you're the greatest ever and have
no intention of whatsoever of playing you.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But I don't want to play against you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So don't transfer somewhere else where I may have to
play you the tight end that's in the port Old Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
He's never playing at UTSA.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean I saw that on Sunday night when he
went in and I had to go back and look
to see who was because he wasn't on any of
the rosters I had last year. I mean, he was
technically there, but he's not going to play at UTSA.
So great, go play someplace where you can play. But
if I need you, I really want you to stay.
And there's a lot of players at UTSA that are
(08:17):
staying put because that guy says I need you, and
they don't want to disappoint him, and that just doesn't happen.
That's what is so cool about what we're seeing there.
And at some point that's going to go away. At
some point you're going to still have to pay the
guys or they're going to leave. And I wouldn't blame them,
but I think we've got to get some rules. I
think it's ridiculous that players are asking family members to
(08:38):
represent them and giving them way too much of a commission.
I think it's and not hiring real agents that are
going to take far less. I think it's ridiculous that
we can't sign them to contracts. But we can't do
any of that until we get in I trust exemption,
and I've been saying that for two years since a
n ail happened. All Right, one more segment to go.
We wrap up the day next. It's the endi average
show on the ticket
Jay Billis's comments that he thinks it's a bad taste
for coaches to leave in the midst of a tournament
after the regular season and the conference tournament have ended,
and still be coaching the team that you're at, but
knowing that you're leaving as soon as the season's over.
He thinks that's a little bit disingenuous, and it's kind
(00:27):
of a betrayal and trust of the players. Players and
coaches don't trust each other anymore anyway. This is entirely
transactional world that we're in. But I'll give you a
scenario that I think every coach has out there, and
right now, pretty much on the lot of rosters, most
of the players are getting paid something. So let me
throw this scenario out there. You go out and you
(00:48):
see a player that you want to get in the
transfer portal, and you go, I'll tell you what, I've
got two hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the collectives
to pay you. And the guy goes, great, is only
making fifty somewhere else. I'll come play for you, And
he signs the deal for two hundred and fifty thousand,
and now you need his back up. But you don't
have any money for him, so you know, the collectives say, well,
(01:10):
maybe we can throw in ten thousand for this guy,
and some boosters the one that through it. That may
was the main purp reason that you had two hundred
and fifty for Player A, and also the reason you
only had ten for Player BES, because you need to
back up in case that guy gets hurt. First three
weeks of training camp come around and player bes better,
(01:31):
and the season begins and player Be's even better than that,
and your conference season comes around and Player A is
not developed at all and he's pretty much a bust.
But player Be's the guy that can help you win games.
As a coach, Are you playing Player A because the
boosters are paying him two hundred fifty grand? Are you
playing player bees only getting ten because he's better and
(01:52):
he can help you win? And I think that's a
delimit that a lot of coaches will face. And at
some point player BE is going to go, I'm the
one that should be getting the two fifty, and the
guy that didn't develop and isn't very good he should
be he should be getting a lot less. And that's
where you're gonna have animosity with teams and the players
know who can play and who can't. And if a
(02:13):
player is on the floor only because he's getting paid
and there's a guy sitting on the bench that can
actually make them better, that's when you're gonna have discourse
amongst the players and the coaches. Most of the time,
players can see through anything that you're a bsing, but
they can also see exactly what you're trying to do
when you're telling them the truth. And if you're playing
(02:34):
the better player even though he's getting paid less, and
you're telling the booster, hey, we messed up.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We'll do better next time.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
You may not be the coach because the booster may
not like your decision, but you're gonna win games and
you're gonna get a job someplace else.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Well look at, say, for instance, look at John Keller party.
You know, John Keller party at.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A prestigious blue blood school.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
For the longest time with Kentucky, every single year it's hey,
I'm getting a McDonald's all Americans and one and Dons
and one and don's, but not getting the results. And
in nil it's hey, these boosters, Hey, we're shelling out
a lot of money to make sure that we're still
getting these McDonald's all Americans, not that they wouldn't, but
(03:16):
now you're getting the opportunity to have more. And then
he's like, I can't take it anymore because it's like
Alabama to where, hey, you lose one game. How dare
you lose one game and not be in the National
championship every single year?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
What does he do?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Goes to Arkansas, you know, and granted, yes Walmart is there,
they have the money.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Cho there's not.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
As much pressure at Arkansas that there there will.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Be a time, but there's not as much As.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Soon as he gets them to a championship game, they're
gonna expect to.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Be in the championship game every year. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's like even little old Florida Atlantic that got to
the championship game two years ago wonders why they're not.
There's why they're not cruentally going back. Well, because you
don't have as much money is Florida and Alabama and.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
The other schools in the SEC.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And it's the same thing I said and compared in
trying to get utsa's programs off the ground. If you
are not an alumnus of UTSA and you're an alumnus
of Baylor or Texas A and M or Texas or
Texas Tech. And the Baylor comes in the mail and says,
will you give us some money, and the same call
comes from UTSA. You don't necessarily have any allegiance to UTSA.
(04:27):
And so because the school is so young and there
aren't that many rich or I would say wealthy boosters
from UTSA, Yet a lot of times those people decided
to go to another school that they want to give
their money to.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And you're free to do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But as we said last night, if you've got fifty thousand,
one hundred thousand to give to your school, Texas A
and M and Texas will thank you for it, but
you're not going to pay the light bill for more
than about ten minutes, whereas that kind of money could
be much more impactful at a smaller school. But back
to what Jay Billis said, we live in a transactional
world right now with everything, and if somebody's gonna pay
(05:07):
you more, you're gonna take it. We saw it with
live golf that was transactional. We had fifteen players and
about eight of them mattered that said pay me, and
I don't have to work hard anymore. And that's what
the transfer portal in Iolad's done. I'm gonna go to
your school. You promise me, I'm gonna get this amount
of money. I'm gonna get it as long as I
(05:28):
show up for class and I come to practice every
day with a smile on my face. And if you
make me do something I don't want to do, I'm
just gonna quit and go someplace else. And we are
setting terrible examples for the athletes, We're setting terrible examples
for the people, and we're just trying to win based
on how much money we can raise. I think coaches
(05:48):
desperately want to develop players, and I think they don't
want to be a farm system for the teams that
are better than they are and bigger than they are.
And I would bet every starter in the American Conference
in football in every school has been DMed with an
offer to go to a bigger school or to transfer
within the conference where they have more money. And typically
(06:11):
they may actually think that they can play for him,
but more often than not, they're just taking him for depth.
If it's a big school, and if it's the lateral move,
they're doing it so they don't have to play against them,
and that's why. And I trust exemption and contracts that
say you have to be bought out if you're going
to leave make the most sense. And when that happens,
we'll have some stability and some sanity to what's going on.
(06:33):
Until that, it's the wild, wild West and it's going
to continue to be ridiculously stupid.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, donate ten thousand dollars to UTSA. And you know,
you can go play golf with head coach Jeff Trailer.
I don't know if Coach Trailer plays golf, but he
says he does about twice a year. Well, see, there
you go twice a year. We can do that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
But one thing that they do at the basketball auction
or the football I mean the football auction, they have
a dinner where you and A and three of your
friends can have dinner with coach Traylor, and the bids
like fifteen thousand or ten thousand. But here's the catch,
there's more than one. It's like, it's like twenty of
(07:12):
you having dinner with Jeff Trailer because they've got twenty things.
Jeff heads at the head of the table with his
wife and he hosts twenty five people that contributed ten
or twelve grand each in the fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So it's a great way to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And he is so personal and if they have people
are that way and are generally going to give that
much money to the program, he'll have as many dinners
as he can get to because.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's who he is.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You know. It's a breadth of fresh air to have
coaches that don't want to light to players, because most do.
Most will tell you you're the greatest ever and have
no intention of whatsoever of playing you.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But I don't want to play against you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So don't transfer somewhere else where I may have to
play you the tight end that's in the port Old Markowitz.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
He's never playing at UTSA.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean I saw that on Sunday night when he
went in and I had to go back and look
to see who was because he wasn't on any of
the rosters I had last year. I mean, he was
technically there, but he's not going to play at UTSA.
So great, go play someplace where you can play. But
if I need you, I really want you to stay.
And there's a lot of players at UTSA that are
(08:17):
staying put because that guy says I need you, and
they don't want to disappoint him, and that just doesn't happen.
That's what is so cool about what we're seeing there.
And at some point that's going to go away. At
some point you're going to still have to pay the
guys or they're going to leave. And I wouldn't blame them,
but I think we've got to get some rules. I
think it's ridiculous that players are asking family members to
(08:38):
represent them and giving them way too much of a commission.
I think it's and not hiring real agents that are
going to take far less. I think it's ridiculous that
we can't sign them to contracts. But we can't do
any of that until we get in I trust exemption,
and I've been saying that for two years since a
n ail happened. All Right, one more segment to go.
We wrap up the day next. It's the endi average
show on the ticket
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