May 2, 2025 • 14 mins
How the city of San Antonio could honor their legendary coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Michael and I have been talking about this throughout the day,
and in those last segment we're pretty sure unless he
vetoes it and then Tim and Toni and Manu are
going to say, oh, they're going to unveto it. Yeah,
and David and everybody else. I would imagine at some
game next year that there is another banner in the
(00:24):
rafters of the Frost Bank Center commemorating the coaching career
of Popovich, of coach Pop and it'll be a simple banner,
maybe a silhouette of him or something. But since he
doesn't have a number, you know, just the words Pop
in the years that he coached in the fourteen and
twenty two career wins that probably will not be broken
anytime soon as far as NBA coaches are concerned. But
(00:47):
you had an idea as we were talking during the break.
I don't know if he would go for this or not,
because it is a little pretentious if you're asking somebody
to do it. He would never ask anybody to do it.
But we do need to name a street here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We could Yeah, well, what instead of having to worry
about every time the uh the Frost Bank Center turns
in from that to.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The AT and T Center to the SBC Center. We
have to change the road everywhere. It's still at and
T Center Parkway. We haven't gotten around to changing.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, I think it's actually Frost Bank Parkway.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Is it on the road signs? I believe so, now, okay,
because I come that way every single day. Okay, Well
I haven't been that way because I haven't played Willow
Springs in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But that's usually the exit that I tell I believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Is now Frost Frost, Bass Bank Parkway, Parkway or whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, that's gonna joined to change that. You could either
change that. You can see him drive back in the day.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You could call it Popovich Lane Popovich Way, or when
we eventually get Project Marvel going, do you name one
of those streets in that area Popovich Lane or Popovich Way?
Or do you do this? Do you just name the
court after him and just all it, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Greg Popovitch Court, Pop Popovich Court, you know, or Pop
Court whatever, And of course he's gonna be like, I
don't want that. Now, I'm going to turn on the
TV and watch the team and see my name on
on the screen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The whole game Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Now if they if they don't go that route and
they do just do the banner like you mentioned, it
will probably say Greg Popovich and then I selfishly, I
would love for it to right be right underneath it
end quotes Greg Popovich quote, I want some nasty end quote.
And then you could just put a basketball and then
underneath that Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, the Hall of Fame part the Hall of Fame
accolade would probably be on the banner that goes in
the in the building and all of those banners will
transfer when the win and if the Project Marvel deal
gets done and he's there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Or maybe we go the Grizzly remember Pop's grizzly Adams face.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, but you just I don't care which silhouette you
have of him.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's just to have the silhouette there is fine about
him holding up the fine fingers.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Remember when he's starting to count one, two oh five?
You could do that for what at the River Parade?
Remember five rings? Ye when Lebron was like not one,
not two and yeah, and after we swept them that year,
let him know who was boss. But uh, the city
has to do something, the organization has to do something,
and hopefully Pop will be humble enough, he'll fight it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But just be like, well, he fought getting into the
Hall of Fame until he couldn't fight it any longer,
until all three of them went in. Yeah, he didn't
want to be there. He didn't want to be in
until the players were in that he coached, and I
understand that he is.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We live in a world that's usually about me. We
live in a world where anybody that and I don't
know how people react, but anytime I think that you
are given accolades or affirmation as to what you've done, well,
there's something in your psyche and your ego that says, wow,
that makes me feel good. It's a shot of dopamine.
You know when when when you get a like on
(03:54):
Facebook or you get a response on Twitter, the psychologist
will tell you that that's just as as soothing to
the mind as if somebody tells you did a great job.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's it's a dopamine shot. It's a dopamine rush.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I can't imagine when somebody tells Pop, you know, great championship,
way to go, that that doesn't make him feel good.
But then again, maybe it's it's like the race the
race is won, but there's still another one to run afterwards.
And Charlie Parker has told the story many times when
he's been on w AI and been on this station,
and I wasn't there, so I'm just going by memory
(04:31):
what Charlie said. When the Spurs won the ninety nine championship,
they had the big post party at the hotel they
were staying at in Manhattan, and all the broadcasters were
there and a lot of media were there, and Charlie
went outside to smoke and he sees Pop pacing around
in the parking lot and Pop is still upset that
(04:53):
they didn't defend Latrell Spreewall the right way and Latrell
Spreewell missed the shot. And he said, yeah, we told
him how to defend it, and they screwed it up.
Although he didn't say screwed it up. He used other languages.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Charlie's like, Bop, get in here and have a beer.
You just won the championship.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, always couching man, always coaching. But that's what makes
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Never being satisfied with status quo, I think is something
that not a.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Lot of people have.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
You achieve a status in your life and you're like, Okay,
what can I do next? And some people are just
satisfied to get to where they've gotten and there's not
another level that they want to get to. There's not
another level of money they want to get to or
a level of job. And I think that that's one
of the things that makes the greatest players, the greatest coaches,
(05:42):
the greatest actors, is that the race has never won
until you're done doing it, and you're always searching for
the next best way to do something. I criticized Tiger
a little while ago for changing his swing, but in
the back of his mind, he thought, if I'd change it,
I'll even be better than I was, Or if I
do this better, I'll be better than I ever was,
And all of those things are what makes the greatest
(06:04):
players in the world. If I was the top golfer
in the world as he was in twenty twenty one,
two thousand and one, I'm like, I'm not going to
mess with what's working. But he thought there was another
level to get to. Unfortunately there was not after he
got hurt. But all the great athletes are never satisfied
with just winning once, and we have emotions for winning,
(06:25):
and we have emotions for losing, and sometimes it's the
fear of losing that activates the mechanism to make sure
that we don't lose, because the winning is so euphoric
that we can't imagine losing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And you know, after you lose it something you go.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
If you go to any PGA Tour event, for example,
and go to the driving range about six point thirty
in the evening, all the players that played poorly, they're
on the driving range practicing. There's probably only six or
seven of them, but they're out there hitting balls. A
couple of years ago, I was out there in Roy
McElroy in Echi Matsiyama, the two of the top ten
players on the planet at the time. I think they
were where they are now, like two and six or
(07:06):
two and five. They're practicing after a round because they
didn't like something in their round. They practice for about
forty five minutes. The average golfer can go shoot sixty
eight or one hundred and eight, and the last thing
that they're going to do is go to the driving
range and work on something. They're going to get in
the car or go to the nineteenth hole, or go
home and drink a beer, or go home and do
something with a family. They're done with their golf for
the day. But the greatest, the good ones, are going
(07:28):
to go figure out something else to do. And I
would put Pop in that category. I don't think he
ever was satisfied with winning one game, or winning one season,
or winning one championship. Okay, we won great, give me
the trophy, Thank you very much. Let's have a river
parade lane. Now, I got to get to work on
the next one. And you're not always gonna You're not
always going to succeed. But as Kobe has said, and
I think other coaches have said, and people have said,
(07:51):
if you don't prepare to succeed, you are preparing to
You are automatically preparing for failure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Something along those lines. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think the other thing, at least locally here, that
we know that Pop does, it may not necessarily get
reported national wise, is some of the stuff that Pop
does for the team to where he he encourages them
and also informs them knowledge wise when he takes them
(08:20):
when they go to all these different cities, he takes
them to some of the museums or other the you know,
other historical things to educate them. And those are kind
of the things as well that we don't talk a
lot about Pop as far as not just a coach,
but a great human being because, like you mentioned, yeah,
you may not agree with his political things, but hey,
(08:43):
we live in America. He served, he has his freedom
of speech, he can say whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think Steve Kerr's dad was assassinated in the Lebanon
Beirroot Embassy back in the in the mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And and Steve was in college or our high school,
or transitioning from one to the other.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Maybe he was already in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't remember the exact years, but I know that
I've heard stories where you know, Pop was well aware
of that. And when Steve Kirk came here twenty years
later to play a player and be a part of
the organization as a player, those are conversations that they had.
You know, what was your dad like, what was he
doing there? What was his role as a diplomat? And
(09:27):
both of them, both of those guys are really good
at knowing their their world history and knowing why things
have happened in certain parts of the world. And the
lessons that he would teach players. Yeah, it would relate
in some way to basketball, or it could be used
as a basketball metaphor. But for the most part, he
just wanted to have a conversation sometimes that had nothing
(09:49):
to do with basketball, and you use it however you wish.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, best pop moment besides, I want some nasty anything
else you can think of.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think one of the things that gets overlooked in
the ninety nine championship, and I mentioned the Latrell Spreewell
miss that he was upset that it wasn't defended well,
is the fact that Mike Butenholzer was one of his
assistant coaches, and I don't think he was the number
two coach. I think Kank Egan was. But Bud was
in charge of the New York scout the whole year,
(10:20):
and when New York called time out with five seconds
to go and said and got ready to run the
play that could have won them that game to force
game six back in or I guess it was game five.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Game that was Game five.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We would have forced game six and seven back in
San Antonio because we're doing two three to two.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Back then.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It was Bud that got the coaches huddleman said this
is what they're going to run, and Pop said, okay,
tell the team. And for a coach that had not
won a championship yet, and for a coach that was
three years into his coaching run and they were the championship,
basically was on the line to have the confidence and
trust and the people that he had run around him.
(11:00):
And he asked him three times, are you sure that
this is what they're going to run? This is what
they run every time? And it was what they ran
and they kind of defended it, but they didn't defend
it like he wanted him to. And Latrell's free well missed.
So they all look like geniuses. But to acquiesce to
the huddle and say listen to him, and to have
the confidence in the people that he had put around him,
(11:21):
and you know, that would be one that would come
to mind, is that I don't know if Phil Jackson
would have done that or Read Arbak would have done that.
If here's the thing is, they would have taken credit
for knowing what the other team was going to run
and wouldn't have allowed an assistant that was, you know,
barely in his coaching career to take the accolades for
(11:45):
how that play should be defended and what they're going
to do.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And to me, that is something is.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
If he run any kind of an organization and you
have great people around you and you allow them to
do their work, you're going to get far more productivity
than if you're always telling them what to do. If
you're telling them what to do, why'd you hire them
in the first place. You hired them because of their expertise,
And on that particular case, that was Mike Budd's expertise
on I know what they're going to run, and I
(12:13):
know how we can stop it, and I can know
how to tell the players. And he wasn't a head
coach for ten or twelve more years, but here's what
we're gonna do, and it turned out to be the
right play, and fortunately it's pretty well missed.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'll go on something along those lines as well, because
I think it was the fourteen championship where they had
just won. He goes into the locker room and they're
all celebrating. He's like, all right, hang on, hold on,
It's like, I want to talk about that poor third
quarter start or whatever, and then they're like staring. But
there was that obviously all of the all of the
interactions that he had with you know, the the late
(12:46):
Craig Seger, all of those interacts.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, and the interview the interview that he had with
Craig when he came back with Craig's son when when
when I think, I think Craig had passed yea and
Greg Sager's son did a cameo on the sidelines, and
Craig Sager Junior was not a reporter. They just gave
him the opportunity to go around the league for a
(13:09):
few games and take the role of what his dad did.
And then when Pop said what he said to Craig's
son about his dad, and Pop hated doing those interviews.
He didn't have a problem with Craig Sager and he
understood David Stern started that. David Stern wanted everybody to
be as open as possible when it came to media,
(13:29):
being media friendly to the fans of the league, and
the more that stuff that they did, the better. It
was in David Stern's eyes, and I don't remember the
exact words, but how he addressed Craig Sager's son, it
was pretty cool as well.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
That and I think what was six or oh seven
to start the game against the Phoenix Suns in the playoffs,
the intentional hack of Shack and then Shaq's looking around
Pop sitting there on the bench, hold and two thumbs up,
laughing his butt off, and he's like, all right, we're
doing this cool.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So all right, I got some gambling news to get to.
Next on the ticket,
Michael and I have been talking about this throughout the day,
and in those last segment we're pretty sure unless he
vetoes it and then Tim and Toni and Manu are
going to say, oh, they're going to unveto it. Yeah,
and David and everybody else. I would imagine at some
game next year that there is another banner in the
(00:24):
rafters of the Frost Bank Center commemorating the coaching career
of Popovich, of coach Pop and it'll be a simple banner,
maybe a silhouette of him or something. But since he
doesn't have a number, you know, just the words Pop
in the years that he coached in the fourteen and
twenty two career wins that probably will not be broken
anytime soon as far as NBA coaches are concerned. But
(00:47):
you had an idea as we were talking during the break.
I don't know if he would go for this or not,
because it is a little pretentious if you're asking somebody
to do it. He would never ask anybody to do it.
But we do need to name a street here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
We could Yeah, well, what instead of having to worry
about every time the uh the Frost Bank Center turns
in from that to.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The AT and T Center to the SBC Center. We
have to change the road everywhere. It's still at and
T Center Parkway. We haven't gotten around to changing.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, I think it's actually Frost Bank Parkway.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Is it on the road signs? I believe so, now, okay,
because I come that way every single day. Okay, Well
I haven't been that way because I haven't played Willow
Springs in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But that's usually the exit that I tell I believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Is now Frost Frost, Bass Bank Parkway, Parkway or whatever
it is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well, that's gonna joined to change that. You could either
change that. You can see him drive back in the day.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You could call it Popovich Lane Popovich Way, or when
we eventually get Project Marvel going, do you name one
of those streets in that area Popovich Lane or Popovich Way?
Or do you do this? Do you just name the
court after him and just all it, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Greg Popovitch Court, Pop Popovich Court, you know, or Pop
Court whatever, And of course he's gonna be like, I
don't want that. Now, I'm going to turn on the
TV and watch the team and see my name on
on the screen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The whole game Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Now if they if they don't go that route and
they do just do the banner like you mentioned, it
will probably say Greg Popovich and then I selfishly, I
would love for it to right be right underneath it
end quotes Greg Popovich quote, I want some nasty end quote.
And then you could just put a basketball and then
underneath that Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, the Hall of Fame part the Hall of Fame
accolade would probably be on the banner that goes in
the in the building and all of those banners will
transfer when the win and if the Project Marvel deal
gets done and he's there.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Or maybe we go the Grizzly remember Pop's grizzly Adams face.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, but you just I don't care which silhouette you
have of him.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's just to have the silhouette there is fine about
him holding up the fine fingers.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Remember when he's starting to count one, two oh five?
You could do that for what at the River Parade?
Remember five rings? Ye when Lebron was like not one,
not two and yeah, and after we swept them that year,
let him know who was boss. But uh, the city
has to do something, the organization has to do something,
and hopefully Pop will be humble enough, he'll fight it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But just be like, well, he fought getting into the
Hall of Fame until he couldn't fight it any longer,
until all three of them went in. Yeah, he didn't
want to be there. He didn't want to be in
until the players were in that he coached, and I
understand that he is.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We live in a world that's usually about me. We
live in a world where anybody that and I don't
know how people react, but anytime I think that you
are given accolades or affirmation as to what you've done, well,
there's something in your psyche and your ego that says, wow,
that makes me feel good. It's a shot of dopamine.
You know when when when you get a like on
(03:54):
Facebook or you get a response on Twitter, the psychologist
will tell you that that's just as as soothing to
the mind as if somebody tells you did a great job.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's it's a dopamine shot. It's a dopamine rush.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I can't imagine when somebody tells Pop, you know, great championship,
way to go, that that doesn't make him feel good.
But then again, maybe it's it's like the race the
race is won, but there's still another one to run afterwards.
And Charlie Parker has told the story many times when
he's been on w AI and been on this station,
and I wasn't there, so I'm just going by memory
(04:31):
what Charlie said. When the Spurs won the ninety nine championship,
they had the big post party at the hotel they
were staying at in Manhattan, and all the broadcasters were
there and a lot of media were there, and Charlie
went outside to smoke and he sees Pop pacing around
in the parking lot and Pop is still upset that
(04:53):
they didn't defend Latrell Spreewall the right way and Latrell
Spreewell missed the shot. And he said, yeah, we told
him how to defend it, and they screwed it up.
Although he didn't say screwed it up. He used other languages.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And Charlie's like, Bop, get in here and have a beer.
You just won the championship.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, always couching man, always coaching. But that's what makes
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Never being satisfied with status quo, I think is something
that not a.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Lot of people have.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
You achieve a status in your life and you're like, Okay,
what can I do next? And some people are just
satisfied to get to where they've gotten and there's not
another level that they want to get to. There's not
another level of money they want to get to or
a level of job. And I think that that's one
of the things that makes the greatest players, the greatest coaches,
(05:42):
the greatest actors, is that the race has never won
until you're done doing it, and you're always searching for
the next best way to do something. I criticized Tiger
a little while ago for changing his swing, but in
the back of his mind, he thought, if I'd change it,
I'll even be better than I was, Or if I
do this better, I'll be better than I ever was,
And all of those things are what makes the greatest
(06:04):
players in the world. If I was the top golfer
in the world as he was in twenty twenty one,
two thousand and one, I'm like, I'm not going to
mess with what's working. But he thought there was another
level to get to. Unfortunately there was not after he
got hurt. But all the great athletes are never satisfied
with just winning once, and we have emotions for winning,
(06:25):
and we have emotions for losing, and sometimes it's the
fear of losing that activates the mechanism to make sure
that we don't lose, because the winning is so euphoric
that we can't imagine losing.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And you know, after you lose it something you go.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
If you go to any PGA Tour event, for example,
and go to the driving range about six point thirty
in the evening, all the players that played poorly, they're
on the driving range practicing. There's probably only six or
seven of them, but they're out there hitting balls. A
couple of years ago, I was out there in Roy
McElroy in Echi Matsiyama, the two of the top ten
players on the planet at the time. I think they
were where they are now, like two and six or
(07:06):
two and five. They're practicing after a round because they
didn't like something in their round. They practice for about
forty five minutes. The average golfer can go shoot sixty
eight or one hundred and eight, and the last thing
that they're going to do is go to the driving
range and work on something. They're going to get in
the car or go to the nineteenth hole, or go
home and drink a beer, or go home and do
something with a family. They're done with their golf for
the day. But the greatest, the good ones, are going
(07:28):
to go figure out something else to do. And I
would put Pop in that category. I don't think he
ever was satisfied with winning one game, or winning one season,
or winning one championship. Okay, we won great, give me
the trophy, Thank you very much. Let's have a river
parade lane. Now, I got to get to work on
the next one. And you're not always gonna You're not
always going to succeed. But as Kobe has said, and
I think other coaches have said, and people have said,
(07:51):
if you don't prepare to succeed, you are preparing to
You are automatically preparing for failure.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Something along those lines. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think the other thing, at least locally here, that
we know that Pop does, it may not necessarily get
reported national wise, is some of the stuff that Pop
does for the team to where he he encourages them
and also informs them knowledge wise when he takes them
(08:20):
when they go to all these different cities, he takes
them to some of the museums or other the you know,
other historical things to educate them. And those are kind
of the things as well that we don't talk a
lot about Pop as far as not just a coach,
but a great human being because, like you mentioned, yeah,
you may not agree with his political things, but hey,
(08:43):
we live in America. He served, he has his freedom
of speech, he can say whatever he wants.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think Steve Kerr's dad was assassinated in the Lebanon
Beirroot Embassy back in the in the mid eighties.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And and Steve was in college or our high school,
or transitioning from one to the other.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Maybe he was already in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I don't remember the exact years, but I know that
I've heard stories where you know, Pop was well aware
of that. And when Steve Kirk came here twenty years
later to play a player and be a part of
the organization as a player, those are conversations that they had.
You know, what was your dad like, what was he
doing there? What was his role as a diplomat? And
(09:27):
both of them, both of those guys are really good
at knowing their their world history and knowing why things
have happened in certain parts of the world. And the
lessons that he would teach players. Yeah, it would relate
in some way to basketball, or it could be used
as a basketball metaphor. But for the most part, he
just wanted to have a conversation sometimes that had nothing
(09:49):
to do with basketball, and you use it however you wish.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, best pop moment besides, I want some nasty anything
else you can think of.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think one of the things that gets overlooked in
the ninety nine championship, and I mentioned the Latrell Spreewell
miss that he was upset that it wasn't defended well,
is the fact that Mike Butenholzer was one of his
assistant coaches, and I don't think he was the number
two coach. I think Kank Egan was. But Bud was
in charge of the New York scout the whole year,
(10:20):
and when New York called time out with five seconds
to go and said and got ready to run the
play that could have won them that game to force
game six back in or I guess it was game five.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Game that was Game five.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We would have forced game six and seven back in
San Antonio because we're doing two three to two.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Back then.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It was Bud that got the coaches huddleman said this
is what they're going to run, and Pop said, okay,
tell the team. And for a coach that had not
won a championship yet, and for a coach that was
three years into his coaching run and they were the championship,
basically was on the line to have the confidence and
trust and the people that he had run around him.
(11:00):
And he asked him three times, are you sure that
this is what they're going to run? This is what
they run every time? And it was what they ran
and they kind of defended it, but they didn't defend
it like he wanted him to. And Latrell's free well missed.
So they all look like geniuses. But to acquiesce to
the huddle and say listen to him, and to have
the confidence in the people that he had put around him,
(11:21):
and you know, that would be one that would come
to mind, is that I don't know if Phil Jackson
would have done that or Read Arbak would have done that.
If here's the thing is, they would have taken credit
for knowing what the other team was going to run
and wouldn't have allowed an assistant that was, you know,
barely in his coaching career to take the accolades for
(11:45):
how that play should be defended and what they're going
to do.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And to me, that is something is.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
If he run any kind of an organization and you
have great people around you and you allow them to
do their work, you're going to get far more productivity
than if you're always telling them what to do. If
you're telling them what to do, why'd you hire them
in the first place. You hired them because of their expertise,
And on that particular case, that was Mike Budd's expertise
on I know what they're going to run, and I
(12:13):
know how we can stop it, and I can know
how to tell the players. And he wasn't a head
coach for ten or twelve more years, but here's what
we're gonna do, and it turned out to be the
right play, and fortunately it's pretty well missed.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'll go on something along those lines as well, because
I think it was the fourteen championship where they had
just won. He goes into the locker room and they're
all celebrating. He's like, all right, hang on, hold on,
It's like, I want to talk about that poor third
quarter start or whatever, and then they're like staring. But
there was that obviously all of the all of the
interactions that he had with you know, the the late
(12:46):
Craig Seger, all of those interacts.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, and the interview the interview that he had with
Craig when he came back with Craig's son when when
when I think, I think Craig had passed yea and
Greg Sager's son did a cameo on the sidelines, and
Craig Sager Junior was not a reporter. They just gave
him the opportunity to go around the league for a
(13:09):
few games and take the role of what his dad did.
And then when Pop said what he said to Craig's
son about his dad, and Pop hated doing those interviews.
He didn't have a problem with Craig Sager and he
understood David Stern started that. David Stern wanted everybody to
be as open as possible when it came to media,
(13:29):
being media friendly to the fans of the league, and
the more that stuff that they did, the better. It
was in David Stern's eyes, and I don't remember the
exact words, but how he addressed Craig Sager's son, it
was pretty cool as well.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
That and I think what was six or oh seven
to start the game against the Phoenix Suns in the playoffs,
the intentional hack of Shack and then Shaq's looking around
Pop sitting there on the bench, hold and two thumbs up,
laughing his butt off, and he's like, all right, we're
doing this cool.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So all right, I got some gambling news to get to.
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