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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Jerry as in negotiations, or at least he thinks he
is with Michah Parsons, And apparently he says that without
the agent present, he offered Micah a record deal. I'm
sure it was so a loophohl or two in there
that Micah wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But he was on the Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Smith podcast recently, and here's what Jerry had to say
about that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
In the spirit of not doing the old mother dad deal.
How many times have you seen the little rascal so
clever go in there and Mama told him you're not
going to get it, and goes into Daddy, who only
sees him at that after five and the afternoon, wants
to love him and says, you can have it, son,
(00:47):
you can have that before dinner. And he goes back
in and says, Mama, Daddy said I could have it.
That's old Mom and Dad had been around since the
beginning of the time. I'm not going to go for that. Year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You're not going for it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm not going for it. No, no, but we've had
a very very strong negotiation. Now, by the way, frankly,
it wouldn't have made any difference what the negotiation was
guess who has to be comfortable for this to work,
Michael and who else? You? Hello, there's not room for
(01:23):
a third. There's not room for a third. This will
be a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Wow, he said a whole lot of nothing there.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, no, he really didn't, because listen, I don't care
who you are, I promise you, and I'll put myself
in this category. When you were a kid, if you
wanted something, you went to the parent that you thought
was going to say yes, yeah, And sometimes they'd say, well,
you know, go ask the other one, and I'm like, well,
then what's the answer at well, whatever they say, and
(01:53):
then the other one say, well, whatever they said, but
you would judiciously choose. Okay, I want to do what
is and which one of these is going to say
yes to it? So I can tell the other one
that I was given permission. The thing I have an
issue with this with Jerry is that he knows, and
(02:13):
he's been doing this for thirty seven years or whatever
the time is, he knows that there is no chance
that a player is ever going to sign a contract
at any level that does not include his agents. Right,
the agent is going to get their money and they're
going to get. And I think it's capped at three percent,
maybe two percent, but whatever it is. If it's forty
(02:33):
million dollars, what's three percent of forty million one point
two or some somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's what the agent's getting.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And that agent's been doing a lot of work for
Mike over the days, and Mike is not going to
cut him out of the picture. So yeah, Jerry says, Hey, Michaeh,
how about this? And Micah says, that's great, But I
got to go ask my agent, and Jerry knows.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He has to ask his agent.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't care what they did or what they nodded
at each other and what the numbers are, but a
player is only going to hear the number. Yeah, I'll
pay you forty two million for four years. Okay, let
me check out with the agent. We'll get it done.
And now you don't want to talk to the agent
because the agent's got to look at the fine print
of that contract, every contract that is signed. If you
(03:16):
don't understand the language and that contract and a lot
of people who are not lawyers don't understand the language,
you have to have somebody look at the contract and
say does this say what I think it says. And
Jerry may not be a lawyer, but he's got a
lot of experience of doing deals. He was doing deals
well before Micah was born, well well before michaelh was
(03:39):
even thought about coming into the world. He made oil deals,
he made gaswell deals. He's been making deals since he
was seven years old. He is a master at making deals.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And when we.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Talk about the in the six o'clock hour, about the
Fox deal that he helps spearhead, he put the NFL
on a trajectory that is still going into the fear today.
There's no way that a player, unless they do have
a law degree, and I don't know any of them
to do, is going to understand the legalleies of that contract,
(04:11):
nor do they have time to deal with it. And
that's why they call it the higher Agents. Yes, I
understand that. Jerry told Micah, this is what I want
to do, and Micah said that sounds good. Let me
go talk to the agent. Well I went to Dad
and he said, yes, so I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's all that's being And now Mom may say no, Hey,
I'm making dinner and I want you to eat the dinner,
So no, you can't have that candy bar thirty minutes
before we eat dinner. That's kind of been going on
since since stuff was invented.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But Jerry, and Jerry knows this.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And if Jerry has been out of shape because he
and Micah allegedly agreed on a handshake deal four months ago,
or a fist bump deal or a not of a
wink deal, he knows darn goodwill that that agent's got
to be involved. And the agent's gonna look at the
fine print of it and say, well, how much is
the guarantee, how much is the years, how much is
(05:05):
the signing bonus?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What does this mean? What does that mean? And they're
gonna go over the language.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
There have been people there was a there was a
will written years ago, and this is something that I learned.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It wasn't a law deal.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But let's say I bequeathed all of my assets to
my three kids, Michael, Shane, and Tony. And if there's
not a comma between every one of those names, if
it's Michael and then Shane and Tony, well Shane and Tony,
you are getting one third at one half, and Michael's
getting the other half. It's not one third one third,
(05:39):
one third That comma matters. Everything in the language of
that contract matters, and it's the agent's responsibility. And that's
what is one point have a million million as he's getting,
is is being paid for, is to make sure that
there's not a clerical era, there's not something that Jerry's
trying to get past the player.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's what agents are for.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Every single one of them has one, except maybe a
John Stockton in the NBA or a few others that
just you know, make a very simple contract and move on.
But this is the last big contract that Micah Parsons
is gonna sign, and he doesn't want to get a
check for seventy five or eighty or ninety million as
a signing bonus. And then two years from now Jerry
pull out the contract and go, well, this little paragraph
(06:21):
right here is where I said I was going to
get you, and now I want some of that back,
or I'm not going to pay you the rest or
this is my outclaws. Jerry knows this, so stop telling
me that you don't want him going to ask his mother.
He's gonna do it, and so is every other player
in the league.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And that's what's so frustrating is because, over the course
of this negotiation, which has gone back really a year
and a half at this point, if especially look at
the reports, David Mellergetter, who is his agent, who's also
the agent for CD Lamb by the way, at the time,
was saying, hey, we're open for negotiation, and Jerry said, nah,
we'll just wait a little bit and see what happens.
And the problem is when you wait, the market goes up.
And as this has gone on, it's got to make
(06:58):
more and more contentious. Mike has made very clear. You
and I both have heard this. Everyone's heard this. Micah
does not want to be the one doing negotiating. He
wants to play. And if you're someone who is so
against him playing because one he's under contract, which by
the way, expires this year, or two because he has
a podcast, which every player's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Get over it.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The reality is that in modern NFL times, it is
now is now up to the NFL PA to back
the player to where the next player gets paid highest.
And if Jerry is someone who's so we'll call it stubborn. Yeah,
we'll call it stubborn. That he's unwilling to see this,
and once thing's done his way, he realizes.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He is losing.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
He has pretty much lost grip on the Cowboys fans
to where they can they can give him the benefit
of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And all agents are they're not in bed with but
they're certainly on the side of the players Association.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's the it's it's the player players Association's responsibility to
max out what each of their players are gonna get.
And just like any other entity, there's star players and
then there's the rank and file. And Micah is among
the star players as far as Edge Rush are concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yes, And the last guy go is that TJ.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Watt was the last one to sign y one hundred
and twenty million thereabouts for four years or three years,
whatever it was. That's the market now now. If you
would have been smart seven months ago, right after the draft,
or five months ago, four months go after the draft
and said, hey, Michael, let's get this deal done before
everybody else signs. Mike has already said I'd have signed
back in April. I don't need to wait now. But
you waited, and now the market is different. It's that
(08:27):
thing that Kevin Costner does in draft Day. You know,
the times have changed in the last thirty seconds. That
deal is no longer on the table, now what David
Putney along the way? So that's what this is a game.
Jerry's playing the game. But one thing it's kind of
funny that Jerry talks about in the Netflix series is
that he knows and his wife knows, and he knows
(08:48):
that his wife knows. Jerry's not comfortable unless he's uncomfortable.
When things are going good, Jerry gets way too antsy
and way too nervous, and he thought he had a
deal done that he was going to hoodwink the player
and circumvent the agent. And there's no contract in the
NFL that I know of that's going to get signed
without one or at least some kind of legal representation.
(09:10):
All right, let's talk about Shador and his future and
what happened back in draft day, according to Eric Nickerson,
was it was a collusion to make sure that he
didn't get drafted in the first few rounds. We'll discuss
that next. It's the Andy Everage Show on the Ticket
Jerry as in negotiations, or at least he thinks he
is with Michah Parsons, And apparently he says that without
the agent present, he offered Micah a record deal. I'm
sure it was so a loophohl or two in there
that Micah wasn't aware of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But he was on the Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Smith podcast recently, and here's what Jerry had to say
about that.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
In the spirit of not doing the old mother dad deal.
How many times have you seen the little rascal so
clever go in there and Mama told him you're not
going to get it, and goes into Daddy, who only
sees him at that after five and the afternoon, wants
to love him and says, you can have it, son,
(00:47):
you can have that before dinner. And he goes back
in and says, Mama, Daddy said I could have it.
That's old Mom and Dad had been around since the
beginning of the time. I'm not going to go for that. Year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You're not going for it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm not going for it. No, no, but we've had
a very very strong negotiation. Now, by the way, frankly,
it wouldn't have made any difference what the negotiation was
guess who has to be comfortable for this to work,
Michael and who else? You? Hello, there's not room for
(01:23):
a third. There's not room for a third. This will
be a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Wow, he said a whole lot of nothing there.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, no, he really didn't, because listen, I don't care
who you are, I promise you, and I'll put myself
in this category. When you were a kid, if you
wanted something, you went to the parent that you thought
was going to say yes, yeah, And sometimes they'd say, well,
you know, go ask the other one, and I'm like, well,
then what's the answer at well, whatever they say, and
(01:53):
then the other one say, well, whatever they said, but
you would judiciously choose. Okay, I want to do what
is and which one of these is going to say
yes to it? So I can tell the other one
that I was given permission. The thing I have an
issue with this with Jerry is that he knows, and
(02:13):
he's been doing this for thirty seven years or whatever
the time is, he knows that there is no chance
that a player is ever going to sign a contract
at any level that does not include his agents. Right,
the agent is going to get their money and they're
going to get. And I think it's capped at three percent,
maybe two percent, but whatever it is. If it's forty
(02:33):
million dollars, what's three percent of forty million one point
two or some somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's what the agent's getting.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And that agent's been doing a lot of work for
Mike over the days, and Mike is not going to
cut him out of the picture. So yeah, Jerry says, Hey, Michaeh,
how about this? And Micah says, that's great, But I
got to go ask my agent, and Jerry knows.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
He has to ask his agent.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't care what they did or what they nodded
at each other and what the numbers are, but a
player is only going to hear the number. Yeah, I'll
pay you forty two million for four years. Okay, let
me check out with the agent. We'll get it done.
And now you don't want to talk to the agent
because the agent's got to look at the fine print
of that contract, every contract that is signed. If you
(03:16):
don't understand the language and that contract and a lot
of people who are not lawyers don't understand the language,
you have to have somebody look at the contract and
say does this say what I think it says. And
Jerry may not be a lawyer, but he's got a
lot of experience of doing deals. He was doing deals
well before Micah was born, well well before michaelh was
(03:39):
even thought about coming into the world. He made oil deals,
he made gaswell deals. He's been making deals since he
was seven years old. He is a master at making deals.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And when we.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Talk about the in the six o'clock hour, about the
Fox deal that he helps spearhead, he put the NFL
on a trajectory that is still going into the fear today.
There's no way that a player, unless they do have
a law degree, and I don't know any of them
to do, is going to understand the legalleies of that contract,
(04:11):
nor do they have time to deal with it. And
that's why they call it the higher Agents. Yes, I
understand that. Jerry told Micah, this is what I want
to do, and Micah said that sounds good. Let me
go talk to the agent. Well I went to Dad
and he said, yes, so I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's all that's being And now Mom may say no, Hey,
I'm making dinner and I want you to eat the dinner,
So no, you can't have that candy bar thirty minutes
before we eat dinner. That's kind of been going on
since since stuff was invented.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But Jerry, and Jerry knows this.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And if Jerry has been out of shape because he
and Micah allegedly agreed on a handshake deal four months ago,
or a fist bump deal or a not of a
wink deal, he knows darn goodwill that that agent's got
to be involved. And the agent's gonna look at the
fine print of it and say, well, how much is
the guarantee, how much is the years, how much is
(05:05):
the signing bonus?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What does this mean? What does that mean? And they're
gonna go over the language.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
There have been people there was a there was a
will written years ago, and this is something that I learned.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
It wasn't a law deal.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But let's say I bequeathed all of my assets to
my three kids, Michael, Shane, and Tony. And if there's
not a comma between every one of those names, if
it's Michael and then Shane and Tony, well Shane and Tony,
you are getting one third at one half, and Michael's
getting the other half. It's not one third one third,
(05:39):
one third That comma matters. Everything in the language of
that contract matters, and it's the agent's responsibility. And that's
what is one point have a million million as he's getting,
is is being paid for, is to make sure that
there's not a clerical era, there's not something that Jerry's
trying to get past the player.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's what agents are for.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Every single one of them has one, except maybe a
John Stockton in the NBA or a few others that
just you know, make a very simple contract and move on.
But this is the last big contract that Micah Parsons
is gonna sign, and he doesn't want to get a
check for seventy five or eighty or ninety million as
a signing bonus. And then two years from now Jerry
pull out the contract and go, well, this little paragraph
(06:21):
right here is where I said I was going to
get you, and now I want some of that back,
or I'm not going to pay you the rest or
this is my outclaws. Jerry knows this, so stop telling
me that you don't want him going to ask his mother.
He's gonna do it, and so is every other player
in the league.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And that's what's so frustrating is because, over the course
of this negotiation, which has gone back really a year
and a half at this point, if especially look at
the reports, David Mellergetter, who is his agent, who's also
the agent for CD Lamb by the way, at the time,
was saying, hey, we're open for negotiation, and Jerry said, nah,
we'll just wait a little bit and see what happens.
And the problem is when you wait, the market goes up.
And as this has gone on, it's got to make
(06:58):
more and more contentious. Mike has made very clear. You
and I both have heard this. Everyone's heard this. Micah
does not want to be the one doing negotiating. He
wants to play. And if you're someone who is so
against him playing because one he's under contract, which by
the way, expires this year, or two because he has
a podcast, which every player's a podcast.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Get over it.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The reality is that in modern NFL times, it is
now is now up to the NFL PA to back
the player to where the next player gets paid highest.
And if Jerry is someone who's so we'll call it stubborn. Yeah,
we'll call it stubborn. That he's unwilling to see this,
and once thing's done his way, he realizes.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He is losing.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
He has pretty much lost grip on the Cowboys fans
to where they can they can give him the benefit
of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And all agents are they're not in bed with but
they're certainly on the side of the players Association.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's the it's it's the player players Association's responsibility to
max out what each of their players are gonna get.
And just like any other entity, there's star players and
then there's the rank and file. And Micah is among
the star players as far as Edge Rush are concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yes, And the last guy go is that TJ.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Watt was the last one to sign y one hundred
and twenty million thereabouts for four years or three years,
whatever it was. That's the market now now. If you
would have been smart seven months ago, right after the draft,
or five months ago, four months go after the draft
and said, hey, Michael, let's get this deal done before
everybody else signs. Mike has already said I'd have signed
back in April. I don't need to wait now. But
you waited, and now the market is different. It's that
(08:27):
thing that Kevin Costner does in draft Day. You know,
the times have changed in the last thirty seconds. That
deal is no longer on the table, now what David
Putney along the way? So that's what this is a game.
Jerry's playing the game. But one thing it's kind of
funny that Jerry talks about in the Netflix series is
that he knows and his wife knows, and he knows
(08:48):
that his wife knows. Jerry's not comfortable unless he's uncomfortable.
When things are going good, Jerry gets way too antsy
and way too nervous, and he thought he had a
deal done that he was going to hoodwink the player
and circumvent the agent. And there's no contract in the
NFL that I know of that's going to get signed
without one or at least some kind of legal representation.
(09:10):
All right, let's talk about Shador and his future and
what happened back in draft day, according to Eric Nickerson,
was it was a collusion to make sure that he
didn't get drafted in the first few rounds. We'll discuss
that next. It's the Andy Everage Show on the Ticket
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