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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The story comes out today on one of the NFL
sites that Pittsburgh is not going to fire Mike Tomlin.
He's got two more years left on his current deal
and they extended that a couple of years ago through
twenty twenty seven. And Pittsburgh has never fired a coach
since nineteen sixty something or fifty something.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The coaches have always quit.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
They've gotten chuckn Old coach from sixty nine to the
mid eighties, and Bill Coward took over for the next
several years, and then Mike Tomlin's been there since two
thousand and six or seven something like that, somewhere in there.
I think this is his night eighteenth or nineteen season.
And we had this discussion the other day about mediocrity
(00:46):
and should you who's settle for who's to blame? And
can you settle for it? And here's the question that
I have as we as we as we look into
this little bit, is the fact that they haven't won
a playoff game in eight years on Mike Tomlin or
(01:06):
is it on the general manager Omar Khan.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let me ask you that, wh aswer your question with
another question? Should it matter? Shouldn't they both go at
that point.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't care if if my player is inferior to
your player, I'm not going to beat you.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I can't. I can't coach an inferior player.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
See that right there tells me the coach in good
enough to get his players better.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
At that I think is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But I think there's a limit to the players. And
if you look at that division that they're in, and
then Lamar Jackson is better than any quarterback they've had
since been.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That doesn't want Baltimore's. That doesn't mean Baltimore's better. That
just means they have a better.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Quarter They well, to me, if you don't, if you
don't have the best quarterback in your division, you're never
gonna win it. Well, and I think Lamar Jackson and
Burrow are equal. And the Browns have sucked for as
long as they've sucked because they don't have a quarterback.
The one year that they did have a quarterback, flat
though they won eleven games.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, well by that logic though, and the chief should
still win the AFC West because they have the best quarterback.
But right now they might end up being the third
best team in that in that day.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But and well, they may have the best quarterback, But
is he playing as the best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You said they had the best quarterback playing like it.
That's that's depending on coaching as well. I don't I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I don't think I can make Justin Fields or anybody
that Pittsburgh has had since with Rogers or Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't make them better than they are.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, well, then how come Peterson won a super Bowl
with Nick Foles?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
He had the worst quarterback? Well, nick Foles back.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
That was an example of coaching.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't think you can coach a back quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Nick Foles wasn't a good quarterback to when he got
to he's a career backup.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
He played well, and you can say he played well
and he played over his head. But I don't think
you can do that on a consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I think you're giving I think you're given way too much.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
But my thought is, if I were going to make
a change, i'd get rid of the general manager might
and my edict would be, well, I'm not gonna pay
Mike Tomlin for two more years and then pay somebody
else to coach the team. That to me, I'm gonna
wait I'm gonna at least do no want to pay
him more than a year. So if I were Pittsburgh,
I would say, Omar Khan, you've got one year, and
(03:02):
if you don't get me a quarterback that's the next
greatest quarterback in the as good as Ben Roethlisberger or
as good as I'll even take Neil O'Donnell. At least
he got me to a super Bowl or thirty years.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It wasn't the best quarterback, but I you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Just said that he was the best quarterback and not
coach inferior or talent. And Rogers was over the hill,
and Wilson was over the hill, and Justin Fields was
never that good to begin with when they were the
quarterbacks of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I disagree was never good.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think you can coach inferior talent to the right
roles and win games.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't think. I don't think you can. Well, he
had Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The quarterback, but you also years we didn't have Tom Brady.
We've had we've had what years did he not have
Tom Brady?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And No?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Seven when he towards a cl in the first in
the first, in the first and how far did they
get They won eleven and five.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Did they win a playoff game?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
No? But they still but they still won eleven and five.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
To your point, well, Pittsburgh's gonna be nine and seven
or ten and six when it's all said.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right, because they because they were fine with the way
things are, because because they're fine with the coach being
bare minim.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And here's the thing I would tell Mike Tomlin too.
I'd set them both in a meeting and I'd say
this this. We're gonna do this for one more year, okay,
And before I make any changes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Number one, you're going to hire.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
An offensive coordinator that actually, and I'm not a big
Arthur Smith fan, I think he's too conservative. I want
I want an offensive coordinator that's gonna that's gonna score points.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
This is an offensive league.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You cannot win unless you're scoring twenty five to thirty
points a game, and I'd prefer over thirty. So I'm
I want you to draft a quarterback or or or
trade for one, but I need it to be a
legitimate one. I don't need to be a stopgap quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
For a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You've had since Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Every seal seasons, you've had, You've had, You've had, You've
had patchwork quarterbacks every single season since Roethlisberger. Absolutely, I
think Metcalf is a good start at wide receiver, and
I think you can get others to fill the void there.
I don't think they have a very good running back
since Nagie Harris left. I think the running backs are okay,
but I need a I need a at least a
(04:59):
B level running back. So the draft is not going
to be defense. I don't care if the defense gets
better or worse. The defense is good enough right now
to win you a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But I want you to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I want you to draft a running back, and I
want you to hire an offensive coordinator that's going to
open this baby up and let's go. I want, I
want the ball in the air. I want and I do,
and I want you to go for it on fourth
down a lot more than you have. Stop being so
conservative and trying to win the game. Seventeen to fourteen.
Here's the deal with fans. Now, Pittsburgh fans may be
different because they're going to go to the games anyway.
(05:29):
If you are boring and you win, and you're winning
Super Bowls, they'll come. If you're losing, they're not coming.
And if you're boring and losing, they're definitely not coming.
And Pittsburgh's offense is boring. They have not had any
kind of sophistication to that offense since Roethlisberger was there.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And if you fixification might be a stretch even then
because it was very baseline.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
He was good, but he made plays.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I need a quarterback that's going to make plays, and
I need a running back that's going to get me
a first down on third and two. Uh well, if
I only have to give up a number one for him,
I'm not giving up two of them.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I still, I still think that you're giving way too
much credits to like the players being the being the
the fact of reason why the team is bad or good,
when we've seen a lot of these same rosters go
from one year to the next with a new coach
and do a lot better. Dan Quinn in his first
year with Washington took them to the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I understand they changed the culture to there. They got
rid of the owner.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And how do you change the culture.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You start with the coach.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, you also start with the owner and the and
and when Dan Quinn took over, he had a new owner.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Not every team can just sell though, like so, like so, like, well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The Rooneyes are never going to sell. That'll be in
the generation forever it's been there is what the twenties
or something. Yeah, they're they're They're the part of the
original part of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I would, so, yes, I would. I would get
rid of Omar Khan he hadn't done a good enough job.
I would get rid of Mike Tomlin, he hadn't done
a good enough job. Because if our expectations, as the
Pittsburgh Steelers one of the name brands of the NFL
and has been for decades, is to compete and win
win Super Bowls, then why are we complace it with
five hundred records making the playoffs, not advancing and they
haven't wont to playoff game in over a decade?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Eight years? Eight years was their last playoff win?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Was it eight years? Okay? Well, I thought it was
like twenty fifteen. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
My My deal is I give you one year to
get me a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You got to get me a running back, and you
got to make the offense more fun. Even if we lose,
at least we're losing thirty two to twenty nine, and
I think our defense is good enough that if offense
can score thirty we're not gonna lose very much.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, the thing is that they drafted can he pickt
first round, that that was the best quarterback project in
their mind and that and I know, but that's also
on the.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Coaches because they's okay, But that's also on the general manager.
We always have quarterbacks that bust, and Kenny Pickett is
a quarterback that busted, and every place he's been he's
been just as bad as he was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
GMS don't just draft people without talking to the coach first.
This is just draft Jerry.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Jerry Jones doesn't talk to the coach before he drafts somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Grey doesn't really make the total call. That's like, that's
like a it's a collective at this point. It used
to be even makes the call that, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't know how they didn't have a lot of
input when they've drafted some of those players.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
We say draft day was a fantasy, that's not how
that actually works. That there's a collective agreement amongst everybody,
they say yes.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, up until about seven minutes before they turn in
the ticket, Jerry was gonna draft Johnny Manziel instead of uh,
Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Zach Zach Martin.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, okay, well and Jerry, so don't tell me that
Jerry collaborates with the rest of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Jerry does whatever Jerry feels like.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Would they have been a worst team with Johnny Menzel
than then Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Zach Martin turned out to be one of the best
picks they've ever had.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And that is an example of of the of the
room collectively agreeing, no, Zach mar is the better player.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
That's that's that is.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
That is Steven taking Jerry by the hand, walking into
the office, cussing him out like a son and a
dad can and say, we're not drafting that guy. We're
drafting Zach Martin. That go back in there and tell
him we're drafting Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
The story is apparently he actually held Jerry against the
wall and said we're not We're taking Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, whatever I did.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They took Zach Martin, but I I I don't think
Mike Tolland forgot how to coach, and the fact that
he's consistently in the playoffs. I look at the Pittsburgh
roster offensively and I think they're one of the worst
offenses in the last ten years in football, but I
think they're one of the best consistent defenses. The problem is,
this isn't the nineteen seventies or eighties or you can
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win with defense. So then you have to get offense, coach,
but you need off You need a better offensive coordinator
than the guys that they paraded through there. And this
is where either Omar Kahan or the Rooney family has
to set them both down and say better offensive coordinator.
I mean, I want a Cliff Kingsbury type coordinator as
my quarternator. I want to be well, I want somebody
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that's that's dynamic, that's sophisticated, that's got a.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Big place with Ben Johnson type of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, I want a really good play caller, and I
want somebody that's not going to and I want you
as a head coach to be okay with it when
they start opening up the playbook. If it's third down
and two, it's not always a handoff unless you've got
a star running back.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If you don't, you can throw it on third and two.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I want to see an open offense for wide receivers,
lots of motion, lots of eye candy. Let's make these
defenses work a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What Pittsburgh has done with their offensive coordinators is anything they
had done with the quarterback, is that they rotate guys
who have already been in that position, inspired from previous stops,
but have experience.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
The defense.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The defensive side of the ball, which I think Tomlin
coaches more of anyway, has been playoff slash super Bowl worthy.
The offense has been first round draft pickworthy then, and
they've got to get better on offense and the Yeah,
you can develop players, but they have to have some
develop but some talent to develop, and fields is a
question mark. Trubisky was terrible when they traded for him
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from the Bears, and Rogers is over the hill, and
just and Russell Wilson was way over the hill, and
Kenny Pickett may be the worst of all of them.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I don't disagree about the Kenny Pickett part.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I just also think that you're giving way too much
leeway to Tomlin just because And the thing is, I
understand he's been into Super Bowls and he won one.
But that's that's the problem is if you live too
much in the past, you can't see the future.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You can the only but I here's my thought on this.
If you fired Mike Tomlin, he probably gets hired by
somebody else pretty quickly. Okay, let him do that on
and when he does get hired, he gets hired with
the caveat you don't coach the offense, somebody else calls
the place, and then all of a sudden you look
terrible when he goes someplace else and beat you, especially
(11:25):
if he were to go to Cleveland, which is kind
of the Pittsburgh's art rival. All right, Lebron's a head
a milestone stop last night, and we'll talk about this
Georgia defensive lineman and these coaches that are coaching for
somebody else while employed elsewhere kind of weird. We'll talk
about that too. That's all coming up on the tickets.
The story comes out today on one of the NFL
sites that Pittsburgh is not going to fire Mike Tomlin.
He's got two more years left on his current deal
and they extended that a couple of years ago through
twenty twenty seven. And Pittsburgh has never fired a coach
since nineteen sixty something or fifty something.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
The coaches have always quit.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
They've gotten chuckn Old coach from sixty nine to the
mid eighties, and Bill Coward took over for the next
several years, and then Mike Tomlin's been there since two
thousand and six or seven something like that, somewhere in there.
I think this is his night eighteenth or nineteen season.
And we had this discussion the other day about mediocrity
(00:46):
and should you who's settle for who's to blame? And
can you settle for it? And here's the question that
I have as we as we as we look into
this little bit, is the fact that they haven't won
a playoff game in eight years on Mike Tomlin or
(01:06):
is it on the general manager Omar Khan.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Let me ask you that, wh aswer your question with
another question? Should it matter? Shouldn't they both go at
that point.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't care if if my player is inferior to
your player, I'm not going to beat you.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I can't. I can't coach an inferior player.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
See that right there tells me the coach in good
enough to get his players better.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
At that I think is the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
But I think there's a limit to the players. And
if you look at that division that they're in, and
then Lamar Jackson is better than any quarterback they've had
since been.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That doesn't want Baltimore's. That doesn't mean Baltimore's better. That
just means they have a better.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Quarter They well, to me, if you don't, if you
don't have the best quarterback in your division, you're never
gonna win it. Well, and I think Lamar Jackson and
Burrow are equal. And the Browns have sucked for as
long as they've sucked because they don't have a quarterback.
The one year that they did have a quarterback, flat
though they won eleven games.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Okay, well by that logic though, and the chief should
still win the AFC West because they have the best quarterback.
But right now they might end up being the third
best team in that in that day.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But and well, they may have the best quarterback, But
is he playing as the best quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
You said they had the best quarterback playing like it.
That's that's depending on coaching as well. I don't I
don't think.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I don't think I can make Justin Fields or anybody
that Pittsburgh has had since with Rogers or Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I can't make them better than they are.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, well, then how come Peterson won a super Bowl
with Nick Foles?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
He had the worst quarterback? Well, nick Foles back.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
That was an example of coaching.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't think you can coach a back quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Nick Foles wasn't a good quarterback to when he got
to he's a career backup.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
He played well, and you can say he played well
and he played over his head. But I don't think
you can do that on a consistent basis.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I think you're giving I think you're given way too much.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
But my thought is, if I were going to make
a change, i'd get rid of the general manager might
and my edict would be, well, I'm not gonna pay
Mike Tomlin for two more years and then pay somebody
else to coach the team. That to me, I'm gonna
wait I'm gonna at least do no want to pay
him more than a year. So if I were Pittsburgh,
I would say, Omar Khan, you've got one year, and
(03:02):
if you don't get me a quarterback that's the next
greatest quarterback in the as good as Ben Roethlisberger or
as good as I'll even take Neil O'Donnell. At least
he got me to a super Bowl or thirty years.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
It wasn't the best quarterback, but I you.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Just said that he was the best quarterback and not
coach inferior or talent. And Rogers was over the hill,
and Wilson was over the hill, and Justin Fields was
never that good to begin with when they were the
quarterbacks of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I disagree was never good.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think you can coach inferior talent to the right
roles and win games.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't think. I don't think you can. Well, he
had Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The quarterback, but you also years we didn't have Tom Brady.
We've had we've had what years did he not have
Tom Brady?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And No?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Seven when he towards a cl in the first in
the first, in the first and how far did they
get They won eleven and five.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Did they win a playoff game?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
No? But they still but they still won eleven and five.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
To your point, well, Pittsburgh's gonna be nine and seven
or ten and six when it's all said.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right, because they because they were fine with the way
things are, because because they're fine with the coach being
bare minim.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And here's the thing I would tell Mike Tomlin too.
I'd set them both in a meeting and I'd say
this this. We're gonna do this for one more year, okay,
And before I make any changes.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Number one, you're going to hire.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
An offensive coordinator that actually, and I'm not a big
Arthur Smith fan, I think he's too conservative. I want
I want an offensive coordinator that's gonna that's gonna score points.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
This is an offensive league.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You cannot win unless you're scoring twenty five to thirty
points a game, and I'd prefer over thirty. So I'm
I want you to draft a quarterback or or or
trade for one, but I need it to be a
legitimate one. I don't need to be a stopgap quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
For a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You've had since Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Every seal seasons, you've had, You've had, You've had, You've
had patchwork quarterbacks every single season since Roethlisberger. Absolutely, I
think Metcalf is a good start at wide receiver, and
I think you can get others to fill the void there.
I don't think they have a very good running back
since Nagie Harris left. I think the running backs are okay,
but I need a I need a at least a
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B level running back. So the draft is not going
to be defense. I don't care if the defense gets
better or worse. The defense is good enough right now
to win you a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
But I want you to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I want you to draft a running back, and I
want you to hire an offensive coordinator that's going to
open this baby up and let's go. I want, I
want the ball in the air. I want and I do,
and I want you to go for it on fourth
down a lot more than you have. Stop being so
conservative and trying to win the game. Seventeen to fourteen.
Here's the deal with fans. Now, Pittsburgh fans may be
different because they're going to go to the games anyway.
(05:29):
If you are boring and you win, and you're winning
Super Bowls, they'll come. If you're losing, they're not coming.
And if you're boring and losing, they're definitely not coming.
And Pittsburgh's offense is boring. They have not had any
kind of sophistication to that offense since Roethlisberger was there.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And if you fixification might be a stretch even then
because it was very baseline.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
He was good, but he made plays.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I need a quarterback that's going to make plays, and
I need a running back that's going to get me
a first down on third and two. Uh well, if
I only have to give up a number one for him,
I'm not giving up two of them.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I still, I still think that you're giving way too
much credits to like the players being the being the
the fact of reason why the team is bad or good,
when we've seen a lot of these same rosters go
from one year to the next with a new coach
and do a lot better. Dan Quinn in his first
year with Washington took them to the NFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I understand they changed the culture to there. They got
rid of the owner.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And how do you change the culture.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You start with the coach.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, you also start with the owner and the and
and when Dan Quinn took over, he had a new owner.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Not every team can just sell though, like so, like so, like, well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The Rooneyes are never going to sell. That'll be in
the generation forever it's been there is what the twenties
or something. Yeah, they're they're They're the part of the
original part of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
So I would, so, yes, I would. I would get
rid of Omar Khan he hadn't done a good enough job.
I would get rid of Mike Tomlin, he hadn't done
a good enough job. Because if our expectations, as the
Pittsburgh Steelers one of the name brands of the NFL
and has been for decades, is to compete and win
win Super Bowls, then why are we complace it with
five hundred records making the playoffs, not advancing and they
haven't wont to playoff game in over a decade?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Eight years? Eight years was their last playoff win?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Was it eight years? Okay? Well, I thought it was
like twenty fifteen. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
My My deal is I give you one year to
get me a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You got to get me a running back, and you
got to make the offense more fun. Even if we lose,
at least we're losing thirty two to twenty nine, and
I think our defense is good enough that if offense
can score thirty we're not gonna lose very much.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Well, the thing is that they drafted can he pickt
first round, that that was the best quarterback project in
their mind and that and I know, but that's also
on the.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Coaches because they's okay, But that's also on the general manager.
We always have quarterbacks that bust, and Kenny Pickett is
a quarterback that busted, and every place he's been he's
been just as bad as he was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
GMS don't just draft people without talking to the coach first.
This is just draft Jerry.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Jerry Jones doesn't talk to the coach before he drafts somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Grey doesn't really make the total call. That's like, that's
like a it's a collective at this point. It used
to be even makes the call that, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't know how they didn't have a lot of
input when they've drafted some of those players.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
We say draft day was a fantasy, that's not how
that actually works. That there's a collective agreement amongst everybody,
they say yes.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, up until about seven minutes before they turn in
the ticket, Jerry was gonna draft Johnny Manziel instead of uh,
Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Zach Zach Martin.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, okay, well and Jerry, so don't tell me that
Jerry collaborates with the rest of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Jerry does whatever Jerry feels like.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Would they have been a worst team with Johnny Menzel
than then Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Zach Martin turned out to be one of the best
picks they've ever had.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And that is an example of of the of the
room collectively agreeing, no, Zach mar is the better player.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
That's that's that is.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
That is Steven taking Jerry by the hand, walking into
the office, cussing him out like a son and a
dad can and say, we're not drafting that guy. We're
drafting Zach Martin. That go back in there and tell
him we're drafting Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
The story is apparently he actually held Jerry against the
wall and said we're not We're taking Zach Martin.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, whatever I did.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They took Zach Martin, but I I I don't think
Mike Tolland forgot how to coach, and the fact that
he's consistently in the playoffs. I look at the Pittsburgh
roster offensively and I think they're one of the worst
offenses in the last ten years in football, but I
think they're one of the best consistent defenses. The problem is,
this isn't the nineteen seventies or eighties or you can
(09:16):
win with defense. So then you have to get offense, coach,
but you need off You need a better offensive coordinator
than the guys that they paraded through there. And this
is where either Omar Kahan or the Rooney family has
to set them both down and say better offensive coordinator.
I mean, I want a Cliff Kingsbury type coordinator as
my quarternator. I want to be well, I want somebody
(09:39):
that's that's dynamic, that's sophisticated, that's got a.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Big place with Ben Johnson type of thing.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, I want a really good play caller, and I
want somebody that's not going to and I want you
as a head coach to be okay with it when
they start opening up the playbook. If it's third down
and two, it's not always a handoff unless you've got
a star running back.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
If you don't, you can throw it on third and two.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I want to see an open offense for wide receivers,
lots of motion, lots of eye candy. Let's make these
defenses work a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What Pittsburgh has done with their offensive coordinators is anything they
had done with the quarterback, is that they rotate guys
who have already been in that position, inspired from previous stops,
but have experience.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
The defense.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The defensive side of the ball, which I think Tomlin
coaches more of anyway, has been playoff slash super Bowl worthy.
The offense has been first round draft pickworthy then, and
they've got to get better on offense and the Yeah,
you can develop players, but they have to have some
develop but some talent to develop, and fields is a
question mark. Trubisky was terrible when they traded for him
(10:38):
from the Bears, and Rogers is over the hill, and
just and Russell Wilson was way over the hill, and
Kenny Pickett may be the worst of all of them.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I don't disagree about the Kenny Pickett part.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I just also think that you're giving way too much
leeway to Tomlin just because And the thing is, I
understand he's been into Super Bowls and he won one.
But that's that's the problem is if you live too
much in the past, you can't see the future.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You can the only but I here's my thought on this.
If you fired Mike Tomlin, he probably gets hired by
somebody else pretty quickly. Okay, let him do that on
and when he does get hired, he gets hired with
the caveat you don't coach the offense, somebody else calls
the place, and then all of a sudden you look
terrible when he goes someplace else and beat you, especially
(11:25):
if he were to go to Cleveland, which is kind
of the Pittsburgh's art rival. All right, Lebron's a head
a milestone stop last night, and we'll talk about this
Georgia defensive lineman and these coaches that are coaching for
somebody else while employed elsewhere kind of weird. We'll talk
about that too. That's all coming up on the tickets.
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