November 21, 2025 • 9 mins
After their ruling on sports bets, has the NCAA overstepped its bounds?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
When it comes to kids that won't say that, I won't
listen to you, and I agree with that. I think
that kids think they're invincible and they think they can
get away with anything, and I think we do a
very poor job of having Fan Dual signs and MGM
Sports betting things and Foxwoods, Mohican's Son, all the places
(00:26):
that basically you're subconsciously being told that gambling is okay
in every aspect. I mean, I think it's kind of
interesting and very fascinating that what used to be Fox
Sports Southwest then turned into Balle's and is now Fan
Dual Television Fandual Sports, and they are the rights holder
(00:47):
and they broadcast every state championship football game coming up
in a month.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That somebody does, because I think it's great that all
those kids get to be on TV and all the
games are in Jerry World. But it's in doctrinating kids
of saying, okay, we're sponsored by a gambling place and
a fantasy football site. It's okay to do it, except
you're a player and you're the one that's involved in
the creation of the content, and you can't be And
(01:13):
so I would what I would do if I was
at the UIL, I would make it mandatory that the
first day of football season when you report for camp,
and I would make it two or three times during
the season, and for all that, for all the other sports,
that every one of those athletes is brought into a
room and says, listen, if you're going to gamble on
(01:35):
your own team and you're going to get to a
point to where you potentially shay points, whatever aspirations you
have of being a part of this sport into your
future and beyond are going to end. You're not going
to get a second or third chance. This is the
worst thing you can do. We are not playing, you know,
championship wrestling or something that's already been predetermined for entertainment purposes.
(01:59):
The integril this game is the most important thing that's
out there and you absolutely cannot destroy that integrity. And
I'm going to use a Cier Miller as an example.
Let's say his goal was to go play in the NBA.
Now he's still he's not ineligible to play in the NBA,
But is a team actually going to bring him in
and trust him that he's not going to do what
(02:20):
he's already done? And bet against the team that he's playing.
Maybe there's some teams in Europe that will look the
other way because they need somebody that can score, and
he certainly can do that. So maybe he gets to
play for five or six years, but maybe his aspirations
are to go coach after this. What school is going
to hire him to coach? Is he ever going to
get a second chance. I'm using this a little bit facetiously,
(02:42):
but if he's coaching the ninth grade JV girls team
and he takes out the wrong player and makes a substitution,
is somebody going to yell from the stands, what's up, Miller?
You're shaving points again? Why would you make that substitution?
That's crazy. Everything he ever does is going to be
scrutinized by what he did when he was twenty years old.
And there's a lot of things that you can overcome
(03:03):
when you're twenty years old, but that that you can
that you'll get a mulligan on. But gambling and fixing
games is never going to be that. And that's why
I think this is I think it's the right example
to teach players. Once you are no longer a player,
once you're no longer a coach. Once you are no
longer affected by the outcome of the event of the game,
(03:26):
then it's okay for you to get gamble on it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Until then you cannot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now, I think the the NFL's rules that say you
can't go and play blackjack and Keno and roulette at
at a Vegas casino, whether you're on company business or not,
that's kind of that's that's kind of that's hypocritical. Well,
I don't have sports. I don't think sponsorship. I don't
think it's hypocritical. I just don't see where it's affecting
the outcome of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They also can't promote alcohol products, but they have playing
alcohol products that promote the game, the incitaba and to
a bigger sense, professional sports have hypocritical sponsors.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Right, you're taking money from them, but an athlete has
to retire before he can do a bud Lighter Miller
like commercial exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I don't I see a vast.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Difference in going into the sports book and betting on
sporting events then going and playing what is totally a
game of chance, which is dicer or blackjack or the
wheel of fortune machine that has you have no control
of that whatsoever you're gonna spend the spend the the
the wheels or the roulette wheel or the or the
slot slot machine, and whatever comes up, it's gonna come up.
(04:32):
So I think that's a little bit crazy. But again,
if you're on vacation and you go to the Greenbrier,
you can do it. But if you show up with
the team and are staying there, you can't. And again,
either way, you're not affecting anything. Uh, And not that
he or anybody else wants to go into those casinos
and do that, whether they're on family vacation or not,
(04:53):
or even be seen there because of the impropriety that
it may may look like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't have a problem going to but here.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So the other part of that, you can't go into
a casino, but you can go to one of the
three racetracks in Texas and watch the horses and bet
on the horses. Once you have is zero control over
unless there's a jockey and a trainer in on something
and they've given you the inside information, which I'm sure
has happened before. But I think this role that the
(05:20):
NCAA rescinded today is really good. I think there's way
too many young, very immateure young people playing football and basketball,
and the last thing you need them to do is
to be distracted by what the line is on the
Cowboys and the Eagles this weekend. And if they lose,
they're in I own money based on the bet. How
(05:41):
are they going to get it back or how are
they going to go pay somebody if they don't have it?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Okay, but Andy, but the problem with that is that,
and I agree with your point about about educating the masses.
It doesn't matter if you're fourteen, eighteen, twenty, whatever it
is that if the company says no, you essentially don't
do it. I understand that aspect of it. But at
what point are we simply saying educating these kids, educating
these young adults that is out, that's us pushing responsibility
(06:05):
onto them. All. Wow, we are promoting sports books, we
are promoting these casinos, We're promoting all this stuff, and
they're saying they can't have any of that. It's the
same concept as saying that no, players, you can't get paid.
You are student athletes. No, you're professional athletes that are
happening to be students.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But you absolutely cannot allow somebody to bet on a
game that they're participating.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's fine. They should have kept it as it was.
You can bet on professional athletes, you can't perform. You
can't bet on college athletics. That's fine. That the very
least limiting it. Setting standards, putting up barriers around it,
like they want to do with revenue share, by the way,
all of a sudden, that's okay. But when we're doing
this to prevent more income coming in, that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But but if you're banking on income coming in by
how well you do at the casino or that book,
you're well, you're at it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You need to get a better job, because they're not.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The overwhelming majority of people that think they make a
living as a gambler usually fail more than they than
they succeed. But what I think this is trying to prevent,
and they'll probably get sued and cave in and do
it anyway. But what this is trying to prevent is
a player betting on a pro game with money he
doesn't have, betting that he's going to win. The guy
(07:17):
calls up and says, hey, you only five grand I
don't have it, Well, why don't you only score ten
points next week instead of twenty, and I'll call it,
and I'll bet on the under, and I'll clear your debt.
And that's what the NCAA is trying to prevent.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And again, I don't mind them saying you can't bet
on college sports. What I do mind is saying that, hey,
even though this is not your professional league, this isn't
even your sport.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Hey, no, you can't do that at all.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
It's it's more prohibition that's problems.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, but again, if you're betting on the NFL, or
you're betting on Major League Baseball, or you're betting on
what fly is going to land on the wall next,
you're still putting your money with a bookie.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
More than likely that's personal responsibility though.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, but if but then if you're you get too
deep into the debt, the only way out is to
go is to go fix the game that you're playing.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And the and the and the.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
The organized crime people that are part of those syndications
understand that that, hey, I got you either way, either
I'm gonna get my money or I'm gonna get you
to throw the game so I can get my money.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Okay, but you're talking.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About like very deep rooted, like like under under the
table type of gamba. We're simply just talking about a
sports book like NGN or Fan Duel or whatever. That's
not like, that's not mafia, Ta's top stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's corporated.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But how many how many college athletes have access to
a casino?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
None? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well yeah, well there's a handful of that do some dude,
Some have sports books, some of that live in New York.
But more than likely, if Tulane's quarterback decides to make
a bet on the on the Saints and the whoever
they're playing this week Atlanta and loses, and I'm not
saying he's going to do this, but if he loses
(08:54):
and he's twenty thousand dollars in debt and he doesn't
have the twenty grand, the temptation for the person that
he illegally bet with is going to say, you know,
throw a couple of interceptions and we'll call it even.
And that's what the NCAA is trying to prevent. And
so I but again, somebody's going to sue them over this,
and they're not going to have grounds to stand on,
and they'll probably cave.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
All right, Six o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're gonna talk about games that you're watching this weekend,
some baseball stuff to get to one other segment to
finish up this hour.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Next on the Ticket,
When it comes to kids that won't say that, I won't
listen to you, and I agree with that. I think
that kids think they're invincible and they think they can
get away with anything, and I think we do a
very poor job of having Fan Dual signs and MGM
Sports betting things and Foxwoods, Mohican's Son, all the places
(00:26):
that basically you're subconsciously being told that gambling is okay
in every aspect. I mean, I think it's kind of
interesting and very fascinating that what used to be Fox
Sports Southwest then turned into Balle's and is now Fan
Dual Television Fandual Sports, and they are the rights holder
(00:47):
and they broadcast every state championship football game coming up
in a month.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That somebody does, because I think it's great that all
those kids get to be on TV and all the
games are in Jerry World. But it's in doctrinating kids
of saying, okay, we're sponsored by a gambling place and
a fantasy football site. It's okay to do it, except
you're a player and you're the one that's involved in
the creation of the content, and you can't be And
(01:13):
so I would what I would do if I was
at the UIL, I would make it mandatory that the
first day of football season when you report for camp,
and I would make it two or three times during
the season, and for all that, for all the other sports,
that every one of those athletes is brought into a
room and says, listen, if you're going to gamble on
(01:35):
your own team and you're going to get to a
point to where you potentially shay points, whatever aspirations you
have of being a part of this sport into your
future and beyond are going to end. You're not going
to get a second or third chance. This is the
worst thing you can do. We are not playing, you know,
championship wrestling or something that's already been predetermined for entertainment purposes.
(01:59):
The integril this game is the most important thing that's
out there and you absolutely cannot destroy that integrity. And
I'm going to use a Cier Miller as an example.
Let's say his goal was to go play in the NBA.
Now he's still he's not ineligible to play in the NBA,
But is a team actually going to bring him in
and trust him that he's not going to do what
(02:20):
he's already done? And bet against the team that he's playing.
Maybe there's some teams in Europe that will look the
other way because they need somebody that can score, and
he certainly can do that. So maybe he gets to
play for five or six years, but maybe his aspirations
are to go coach after this. What school is going
to hire him to coach? Is he ever going to
get a second chance. I'm using this a little bit facetiously,
(02:42):
but if he's coaching the ninth grade JV girls team
and he takes out the wrong player and makes a substitution,
is somebody going to yell from the stands, what's up, Miller?
You're shaving points again? Why would you make that substitution?
That's crazy. Everything he ever does is going to be
scrutinized by what he did when he was twenty years old.
And there's a lot of things that you can overcome
(03:03):
when you're twenty years old, but that that you can
that you'll get a mulligan on. But gambling and fixing
games is never going to be that. And that's why
I think this is I think it's the right example
to teach players. Once you are no longer a player,
once you're no longer a coach. Once you are no
longer affected by the outcome of the event of the game,
(03:26):
then it's okay for you to get gamble on it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Until then you cannot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now, I think the the NFL's rules that say you
can't go and play blackjack and Keno and roulette at
at a Vegas casino, whether you're on company business or not,
that's kind of that's that's kind of that's hypocritical. Well,
I don't have sports. I don't think sponsorship. I don't
think it's hypocritical. I just don't see where it's affecting
the outcome of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They also can't promote alcohol products, but they have playing
alcohol products that promote the game, the incitaba and to
a bigger sense, professional sports have hypocritical sponsors.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Right, you're taking money from them, but an athlete has
to retire before he can do a bud Lighter Miller
like commercial exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I don't I see a vast.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Difference in going into the sports book and betting on
sporting events then going and playing what is totally a
game of chance, which is dicer or blackjack or the
wheel of fortune machine that has you have no control
of that whatsoever you're gonna spend the spend the the
the wheels or the roulette wheel or the or the
slot slot machine, and whatever comes up, it's gonna come up.
(04:32):
So I think that's a little bit crazy. But again,
if you're on vacation and you go to the Greenbrier,
you can do it. But if you show up with
the team and are staying there, you can't. And again,
either way, you're not affecting anything. Uh, And not that
he or anybody else wants to go into those casinos
and do that, whether they're on family vacation or not,
(04:53):
or even be seen there because of the impropriety that
it may may look like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't have a problem going to but here.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So the other part of that, you can't go into
a casino, but you can go to one of the
three racetracks in Texas and watch the horses and bet
on the horses. Once you have is zero control over
unless there's a jockey and a trainer in on something
and they've given you the inside information, which I'm sure
has happened before. But I think this role that the
(05:20):
NCAA rescinded today is really good. I think there's way
too many young, very immateure young people playing football and basketball,
and the last thing you need them to do is
to be distracted by what the line is on the
Cowboys and the Eagles this weekend. And if they lose,
they're in I own money based on the bet. How
(05:41):
are they going to get it back or how are
they going to go pay somebody if they don't have it?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Okay, but Andy, but the problem with that is that,
and I agree with your point about about educating the masses.
It doesn't matter if you're fourteen, eighteen, twenty, whatever it
is that if the company says no, you essentially don't
do it. I understand that aspect of it. But at
what point are we simply saying educating these kids, educating
these young adults that is out, that's us pushing responsibility
(06:05):
onto them. All. Wow, we are promoting sports books, we
are promoting these casinos, We're promoting all this stuff, and
they're saying they can't have any of that. It's the
same concept as saying that no, players, you can't get paid.
You are student athletes. No, you're professional athletes that are
happening to be students.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But you absolutely cannot allow somebody to bet on a
game that they're participating.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's fine. They should have kept it as it was.
You can bet on professional athletes, you can't perform. You
can't bet on college athletics. That's fine. That the very
least limiting it. Setting standards, putting up barriers around it,
like they want to do with revenue share, by the way,
all of a sudden, that's okay. But when we're doing
this to prevent more income coming in, that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But but if you're banking on income coming in by
how well you do at the casino or that book,
you're well, you're at it.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You need to get a better job, because they're not.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
The overwhelming majority of people that think they make a
living as a gambler usually fail more than they than
they succeed. But what I think this is trying to prevent,
and they'll probably get sued and cave in and do
it anyway. But what this is trying to prevent is
a player betting on a pro game with money he
doesn't have, betting that he's going to win. The guy
(07:17):
calls up and says, hey, you only five grand I
don't have it, Well, why don't you only score ten
points next week instead of twenty, and I'll call it,
and I'll bet on the under, and I'll clear your debt.
And that's what the NCAA is trying to prevent.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And again, I don't mind them saying you can't bet
on college sports. What I do mind is saying that, hey,
even though this is not your professional league, this isn't
even your sport.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Hey, no, you can't do that at all.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
It's it's more prohibition that's problems.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yes, but again, if you're betting on the NFL, or
you're betting on Major League Baseball, or you're betting on
what fly is going to land on the wall next,
you're still putting your money with a bookie.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
More than likely that's personal responsibility though.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, but if but then if you're you get too
deep into the debt, the only way out is to
go is to go fix the game that you're playing.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And the and the and the.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
The organized crime people that are part of those syndications
understand that that, hey, I got you either way, either
I'm gonna get my money or I'm gonna get you
to throw the game so I can get my money.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Okay, but you're talking.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
About like very deep rooted, like like under under the
table type of gamba. We're simply just talking about a
sports book like NGN or Fan Duel or whatever. That's
not like, that's not mafia, Ta's top stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's corporated.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But how many how many college athletes have access to
a casino?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
None? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well yeah, well there's a handful of that do some dude,
Some have sports books, some of that live in New York.
But more than likely, if Tulane's quarterback decides to make
a bet on the on the Saints and the whoever
they're playing this week Atlanta and loses, and I'm not
saying he's going to do this, but if he loses
(08:54):
and he's twenty thousand dollars in debt and he doesn't
have the twenty grand, the temptation for the person that
he illegally bet with is going to say, you know,
throw a couple of interceptions and we'll call it even.
And that's what the NCAA is trying to prevent. And
so I but again, somebody's going to sue them over this,
and they're not going to have grounds to stand on,
and they'll probably cave.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
All right, Six o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're gonna talk about games that you're watching this weekend,
some baseball stuff to get to one other segment to
finish up this hour.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Next on the Ticket,
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