August 15, 2025 • 9 mins
Vikings DC Brian Flores told he can proceed with his lawsuit with the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Last year, Brian Flores Scott, he make a putt, made
it all right?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good for you. I'm glad you're happy.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Brian Flores has been told that his lawsuit against the
NFL can proceed. Brian says that he is He believes
that he has been the victim and other African American
coaches in the NFL have been the victims of what
is a kind of an intent racist place of a practice,
(00:35):
and that the opportunities for coaches to be promoted to
coordinators and to head coaches that are black are much
more difficult, and he's wanting to sue the NFL. Roger
Goodell said you can't because I'm the judge. You're an executioner.
And then the court today said yes you can. And Godell,
you can't be the arbitrator in all of this. We
(00:57):
enacted the Rooney rule years ago, and the one about
the Rooney rule, it was obviously after the Rooney family
in Pittsburgh, and it was the Rooney rule that got
Mike Tomlin hired because the Steelers back in when Bill
Cowhert left after the seventh season, were in search of
a coach and they had a list of people that
(01:17):
they wanted to hire, and they decided, well, we have
to also, because we are the ones that created the rule,
we have to interview minority candidates as well. And one
of the minority candidates that they interviewed was Mike Tomlin.
And it became evident after every interview, in every conversation
they had with Mike Tomlin, that this is the guy
(01:40):
that should have been on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Their main set of lists anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And after the first few yor deals either fell through
or never got to a discussion, those that in the
Rooney family started saying, you know what about this Mike
Tomlan guy. This guy may be the answer to what
we've been looking for, which we would have never interviewed
in the first place had their rule not been in existence.
I don't think it's naive to say that there are
(02:04):
probably some owners that are uncomfortable with the decisions that
they make or they want to have a feeling of
comfortableness when they hire whoever they hire for whatever position.
And so I think the Rooney rule has helped, and
I think things are way better than they would have
(02:25):
been twenty five or thirty years ago. But we're going
to find out when this lawsuit goes to court and
goes to trial, and I assume a jury if the
courts and the jury believe what Brian Flores is saying.
And there may be other coaches in the NFL who
are also black that may be a part of the
(02:45):
trial in terms of telling their stories as to how
they ascended to where they are. I think that if
I owned a football team, that the most important thing
that I would do is find the person that I
think could coach the team with the philosophy that I
have the most. I've said this a lot of times
when with baseball. If I were ever a multi billionaire
(03:06):
and I wanted to hire a baseball manager, anybody that
said I'm an analytics guy and I'm going to hire
an analytics staff, You're out.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I want you to manage with your gut and your heart.
I'm sick and tired of watching a baseball game that's
managed by people, but managed like their robotic and so
I'm going to have a philosophy as an owner, and
then I'm going to get out of your way and
let you do it. I think the Roonies are an
example of a team that they not only hired Mike Tomlin,
but they kept him around for a long time despite
(03:35):
the fact that they haven't won a championship. But they're
very rarely not in the playoffs, and they've never been
below five hundred. So I'm not sure what evidence that
they can put out that's gonna decide this one.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Way or the other.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I'm sure that Brian Flores has some things that
he wants to air out in public and see what
the judge and jury thinks.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is the situation with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think the biggest thing for this case is
the fact that they are not going to allow, you know,
the NFL and Roger Goodell to still be to try
the case.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But to try the.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Case, It's like it would be as if I decided
to go to HR and say, hey, I'm going to
file a complaint against Andy Everett lo and behold, Andy
Everett is also the HR person.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's like, Hey, Andy, I want to complain about you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's like, you know, okay, fine, I'll put the complaint in.
Two weeks later, you're gonna have a talk with me
about the complaint that I'm putting.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't know how you prove intent unless you have
video or audio recordings of someone saying I'm not going
to hire an African American for this position, or you
have something that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that is in writing where you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Show prejudice towards a certain ethnic group. I don't know
how you prove it, but maybe Brian Flores and his
legal team think that they can, and this would be
that's what would certainly change the way that things are
happening in the NFL if he can prove that, But
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coaches that the coaching business is one that's very vital,
especially assistant coaches. Once the staff has gone, you're moving
now you're probably going to get hired because they hire
within the family and within the NFL family or the
college football family. Jeff Traylor's son coached for the Saints
for a long time. He was one of their special
(05:30):
teams coaches or offensive line coaches or whatever he did,
and the Saints change coaches this year.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now he's coaching in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
There's probably always an opportunity, but you've got to go
where the opportunity is. And so I don't know what
the priority is or what the what Ryan Flores is
having an issue with when it comes to well, I
didn't get to stay long enough to build my team,
whereas somebody else may have been able to stay longer.
(05:57):
If that's an argument, then let's show me how you
prove that. So this will be a judgment thing. I
think what everybody says that's sept being to testify says, well,
let the jury and the judge know what they think. Uh,
and this will be an interesting court case and maybe
a landmark court case.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We'll just have to wait and see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think maybe the one thing was is if I
remember correctly that Brian Flores kind of was that during
sane remind me, was that during like the Richie incognito.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, No, that was during his last tour round.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
With Miami Miamia. Miami fired him and they hired Mike
mc daniel. And he didn't think that he was the
firing was just and was and thought that there was
a racial intent for that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, So I think it was also because like he was,
he was kind of let me ask you, like, you know,
a hard nosed kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, but look, let's look at it from this perspective.
I hire Brian Flores to my coach. He interviews, well,
I think he's doing a great job. I think he'll
be the person that I want. I'm an owner that's
kind of hands on. I kind of watch practice from
my office window, and I see that, you know, two
a year into his hiring, he's too rough in my
(07:17):
mind on players, He's too demanding on this.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I've made a mistake. I want to change.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And whether it's Brian Flores who is white or Brian
Flores as black. As an owner, when do I get
to decide when I want to change? If you think
as an owner that there's somebody else out there better
to do the job, and especially if you don't win
twenty games or you know, twelve or thirteen games. But
you know, there's times, there are times when coaches have
winning records and they're still not the right coach, and
(07:46):
I think you go back with the Spurs in the
mid nineties, Bob Hill won a lot of games thanks
to David Robinson and Shawn Elliott and a few others,
but he was never the right coach, and that was
proven pretty quickly after Pop took over for him and
the fallout from that. For it took Pop three championships
before they even thought about forgiving him for firing Bob Hill.
But in the beginning of it, it was always the
(08:07):
correct decision. So as a GM or as an owner,
when you hire somebody, regardless of who they are, where
they come from, when you know in your gut, I
made the wrong choice, I want to go get this
guy because he's the second guy I was going to interview.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is the better choice.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I still think you have the right to do that,
And it's kind of hard to prove that your intent
isn't I made the wrong choice. It has nothing to
do with you. It's has everything to do with me.
I think that's a hard thing to try to figure
out and sell. All Right, we'll talk about the All Americans,
the greatest All Americans of all time coming up here
in a little bit. And up next we've got a
(08:47):
former UTSA coach that's doing quite well. Plus we'll get
to some Spurs discussion, the fact that they play twenty
two games on national TV this year.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All of that straight ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's the Andy Everett Show on the Ticket
Last year, Brian Flores Scott, he make a putt, made
it all right?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good for you. I'm glad you're happy.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Brian Flores has been told that his lawsuit against the
NFL can proceed. Brian says that he is He believes
that he has been the victim and other African American
coaches in the NFL have been the victims of what
is a kind of an intent racist place of a practice,
(00:35):
and that the opportunities for coaches to be promoted to
coordinators and to head coaches that are black are much
more difficult, and he's wanting to sue the NFL. Roger
Goodell said you can't because I'm the judge. You're an executioner.
And then the court today said yes you can. And Godell,
you can't be the arbitrator in all of this. We
(00:57):
enacted the Rooney rule years ago, and the one about
the Rooney rule, it was obviously after the Rooney family
in Pittsburgh, and it was the Rooney rule that got
Mike Tomlin hired because the Steelers back in when Bill
Cowhert left after the seventh season, were in search of
a coach and they had a list of people that
(01:17):
they wanted to hire, and they decided, well, we have
to also, because we are the ones that created the rule,
we have to interview minority candidates as well. And one
of the minority candidates that they interviewed was Mike Tomlin.
And it became evident after every interview, in every conversation
they had with Mike Tomlin, that this is the guy
(01:40):
that should have been on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Their main set of lists anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And after the first few yor deals either fell through
or never got to a discussion, those that in the
Rooney family started saying, you know what about this Mike
Tomlan guy. This guy may be the answer to what
we've been looking for, which we would have never interviewed
in the first place had their rule not been in existence.
I don't think it's naive to say that there are
(02:04):
probably some owners that are uncomfortable with the decisions that
they make or they want to have a feeling of
comfortableness when they hire whoever they hire for whatever position.
And so I think the Rooney rule has helped, and
I think things are way better than they would have
(02:25):
been twenty five or thirty years ago. But we're going
to find out when this lawsuit goes to court and
goes to trial, and I assume a jury if the
courts and the jury believe what Brian Flores is saying.
And there may be other coaches in the NFL who
are also black that may be a part of the
(02:45):
trial in terms of telling their stories as to how
they ascended to where they are. I think that if
I owned a football team, that the most important thing
that I would do is find the person that I
think could coach the team with the philosophy that I
have the most. I've said this a lot of times
when with baseball. If I were ever a multi billionaire
(03:06):
and I wanted to hire a baseball manager, anybody that
said I'm an analytics guy and I'm going to hire
an analytics staff, You're out.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I want you to manage with your gut and your heart.
I'm sick and tired of watching a baseball game that's
managed by people, but managed like their robotic and so
I'm going to have a philosophy as an owner, and
then I'm going to get out of your way and
let you do it. I think the Roonies are an
example of a team that they not only hired Mike Tomlin,
but they kept him around for a long time despite
(03:35):
the fact that they haven't won a championship. But they're
very rarely not in the playoffs, and they've never been
below five hundred. So I'm not sure what evidence that
they can put out that's gonna decide this one.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Way or the other.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I'm sure that Brian Flores has some things that
he wants to air out in public and see what
the judge and jury thinks.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is the situation with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think the biggest thing for this case is
the fact that they are not going to allow, you know,
the NFL and Roger Goodell to still be to try
the case.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
But to try the.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Case, It's like it would be as if I decided
to go to HR and say, hey, I'm going to
file a complaint against Andy Everett lo and behold, Andy
Everett is also the HR person.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's like, Hey, Andy, I want to complain about you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
It's like, you know, okay, fine, I'll put the complaint in.
Two weeks later, you're gonna have a talk with me
about the complaint that I'm putting.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't know how you prove intent unless you have
video or audio recordings of someone saying I'm not going
to hire an African American for this position, or you
have something that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Is that is in writing where you.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Show prejudice towards a certain ethnic group. I don't know
how you prove it, but maybe Brian Flores and his
legal team think that they can, and this would be
that's what would certainly change the way that things are
happening in the NFL if he can prove that, But
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coaches that the coaching business is one that's very vital,
especially assistant coaches. Once the staff has gone, you're moving
now you're probably going to get hired because they hire
within the family and within the NFL family or the
college football family. Jeff Traylor's son coached for the Saints
for a long time. He was one of their special
(05:30):
teams coaches or offensive line coaches or whatever he did,
and the Saints change coaches this year.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now he's coaching in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
There's probably always an opportunity, but you've got to go
where the opportunity is. And so I don't know what
the priority is or what the what Ryan Flores is
having an issue with when it comes to well, I
didn't get to stay long enough to build my team,
whereas somebody else may have been able to stay longer.
(05:57):
If that's an argument, then let's show me how you
prove that. So this will be a judgment thing. I
think what everybody says that's sept being to testify says, well,
let the jury and the judge know what they think. Uh,
and this will be an interesting court case and maybe
a landmark court case.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We'll just have to wait and see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think maybe the one thing was is if I
remember correctly that Brian Flores kind of was that during
sane remind me, was that during like the Richie incognito.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, No, that was during his last tour round.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
With Miami Miamia. Miami fired him and they hired Mike
mc daniel. And he didn't think that he was the
firing was just and was and thought that there was
a racial intent for that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, So I think it was also because like he was,
he was kind of let me ask you, like, you know,
a hard nosed kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, but look, let's look at it from this perspective.
I hire Brian Flores to my coach. He interviews, well,
I think he's doing a great job. I think he'll
be the person that I want. I'm an owner that's
kind of hands on. I kind of watch practice from
my office window, and I see that, you know, two
a year into his hiring, he's too rough in my
(07:17):
mind on players, He's too demanding on this.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I've made a mistake. I want to change.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And whether it's Brian Flores who is white or Brian
Flores as black. As an owner, when do I get
to decide when I want to change? If you think
as an owner that there's somebody else out there better
to do the job, and especially if you don't win
twenty games or you know, twelve or thirteen games. But
you know, there's times, there are times when coaches have
winning records and they're still not the right coach, and
(07:46):
I think you go back with the Spurs in the
mid nineties, Bob Hill won a lot of games thanks
to David Robinson and Shawn Elliott and a few others,
but he was never the right coach, and that was
proven pretty quickly after Pop took over for him and
the fallout from that. For it took Pop three championships
before they even thought about forgiving him for firing Bob Hill.
But in the beginning of it, it was always the
(08:07):
correct decision. So as a GM or as an owner,
when you hire somebody, regardless of who they are, where
they come from, when you know in your gut, I
made the wrong choice, I want to go get this
guy because he's the second guy I was going to interview.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is the better choice.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I still think you have the right to do that,
And it's kind of hard to prove that your intent
isn't I made the wrong choice. It has nothing to
do with you. It's has everything to do with me.
I think that's a hard thing to try to figure
out and sell. All Right, we'll talk about the All Americans,
the greatest All Americans of all time coming up here
in a little bit. And up next we've got a
(08:47):
former UTSA coach that's doing quite well. Plus we'll get
to some Spurs discussion, the fact that they play twenty
two games on national TV this year.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
All of that straight ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's the Andy Everett Show on the Ticket
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