Friday: No Prop Bets

NCAA rescinds their ruling allowing college athletes to bet on pro sports.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
There was less than twenty four hours before a five
pm deadline this afternoon for two hundred and eighty one
of the or two hundred and forty one of the
three hundred and sixty one Division one member institutions had
to submit paperwork requesting that the NCAA rescind its decision

(00:26):
that they made at the beginning of the month that
they were going to elect college athletic programs and their
players and their faculty and their staff and everybody that
was associated with it, that they could start betting on
sports other than college events. So they could bet on
Major League Baseball as long as it was legal in
their state. They could do so at a casino or

(00:48):
a sports book and a lot of the things that
they as long as they didn't bet on college games
or any college sports whatsoever, it was okay. Plus a
f year of age, and of course you have to
be twenty one. You could also, you know, play casino games,
you could play fantasy sports, you can bet on the horses,
whatever it is that you want to do. So most

(01:11):
of the coaches that had a brain, and most of
the athletic directors were like, why are we doing this? All?
This is going to do is create more temptation for
athletes to get in trouble with people who are in
a lot of states running in a legal book. And
it's one thing if you're betting online, because they'll just
cut you off if you don't pay. You have to

(01:31):
pay to play, but anybody gives you credit to gamble,
at some point they're going to cut you off, and
you may be in with the wrong people and then
be asked to do things that are going to have
something to do with the integrity of the game. So
about thirty minutes before we went on the air, the
last report I had is they had not gotten to
their number, And about about thirty minutes ago I saw

(01:51):
a report that the number did finally come in today
that they basically counted all the people that ask for
recession and they're now over two hundred and forty one.
And I know that you know that there's only one
hundred and thirty four Division one FBS football programs, but
when you throw in basketball in the other sports, there's
three hundred and sixty one Division one NCAA members that

(02:12):
play basketball and baseball and other sports. So I think
that this is a good thing. Now, I did some
research on the NFL's deal, and I got kind of
deep into the Manut Show with this. The NFL has
always banned its employees from gambling on sports. Its players
can because they've negotiated that in their collective bargain agreement.

(02:33):
They can go into a casino and as long as
they're not doing it on company grounds or on a
company trip. So, for example, Brad Sham and Mark vandermir
were aware of. Now I don't know if they're gamblers
or not, that's beside the point. But if they were
going to Vegas to call a game and they were
staying at the MGM Grand, they could not go into
the casino, and they certainly could not go into the

(02:54):
sports book. But in the summertime, when they're on their own,
on their own dime, if they wanted to go play blackjack,
they could do that. It's kind of vague as to
whether or not they can go into the sports book
and bet on baseball or NBA or something else. That's
for interpretation however you want to look at it. But

(03:15):
they absolutely can never bet on the NFL, and they
can never bet on the NFL, and they can't even play,
you know, a poker room or whatever, if they're in
a in a place on official company business. Like at
the beginning of this preseason, the Texans played a game
at Greenbrier, and the Greenbrier has a casino attached to it.

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It's in West Virginia, and the team was like, that's
that's off limits. You can't go in there. So and
I was also under the assumption that if you were
basically the hot dog vendor or the parking lot attendant,
you couldn't also, but that's not the case. It's people
who have direct access or influence the players, and the
person taking tickets or selling hot dogs isn't going to

(04:01):
ever have that interaction with players where they could get
inside information that would would determine the outcome of a game.
So I think this is a good thing. College athletes
in general don't understand what the gambling situation is. They
get in over their heads. All of a sudden, they
owe somebody two hundred and fifty three hundred one thousand

(04:22):
dollars and the only way they're ever going to pay
off the debt is to shape points. And we've seen
this happen time and time and time again. This also
brings us to a Temple basketball player that I actually
got to see play a few games. Ceer Miller was
one of the best players, not only on the Temple team,
he was their best player, but he was a great
player in the American Conference. And back in the twenty

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three to twenty four season, right before for the game,
they had a home game with UAB and the line
went from six to fourteen or something like that in
a matter of hours on the day of the game,
and UAB won the game one hundred and sixty or
something like that was a blowout wind and not that

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And I didn't think that UAB was really good that year.
Temple was okay, but they weren't great, and Hysier Miller
didn't have his normal game and that was one of
the things that kind of tipped them off. And when
they interviewed him later in the fall of last year,
because he had transferred from Temple to go somewhere else
where he never played. They interviewed him and said, oh, yeah,
I've been on the I bet on Temple, and I

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bet on But he didn't realize that one of the
parlay bets he made was a bet that was also
going to negatively impact it was going to benefit him
if it if something bad happened to Temple, and I
don't know exactly what that situation would be, and I
don't know why you wouldn't know that, But apparently he
spent about four hundred and fifty dollars on bets with

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either bookies or casinos or somebody else's sports accounts to
bet on college basketball games, including Temple games. And so
he's gotten a lifetime suspension now that doesn't preclude him
from going to Europe and playing. I don't know if
the NBA will touch him. I don't even know if
he's NBA talent or not. He was a very good
American Conference basketball player, and he torched Utsa in the

(06:10):
games that we played against him, And if he was
shaving points, it wasn't against Utsa because he scored a
bunch at least from what I remember, and he was
really really hard to guard. This goes back to what
I said the other day about Dade Miller, the guy
at New Orleans. I understand that college athletes need money.
I understand that college athletes see money growing all around them,

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and coaches and players and personnel driving expensive vehicles and
wearing expensive jewelry and they want to be a part
of that, or in dayDay Hunter's situation, he just wanted
to get formula and diapers for his kids. There is
a better way than gambling on sports or getting in
connection with somebody that's going to pay you to shape points.

(06:50):
And I would imagine I don't know if high Cier
Miller's got a four point average or if he's just
there to play basketball, but I do know that at
some point in his life he really loved that game.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I doubt he would go back to school at that
point to be well.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
He can't go back to school anyway. Is banned him
for life right exactly? But I don't know here. But
I don't know what his great average is. I don't
know if he has any aspirations to be anything but
a basketball player or a coach or whatever. But what
does he do now with the rest of his life
if basketball was going to be part of his life.
And there's so many of these players that don't ever

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want to give up the game. They either want to
go into the sports agency business, they want to go
into the coaching business, they want to be trainers, they
want to be you you know, personal trainers, they want
to be strength and development coaches. There's a lot they
want to stay around the game. Is anybody going to
trust you to give you a job again? Now that
you have this type tag next to you and there

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there's a lot of ways in the world to make money.
This is a shortcut to make money, no doubt. And
it's easy since you have inside information and if you
want to miss a shot here or make a shot there,
you can control what your score is going to be.
And there's a scoreboard in the arena for you to
keep track of what your points are. So you help
out your gamblers. But you're gonna get caught and you're

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gonna get found out. And with the checks and balances
that are on the gambling situation and the casinos and
how AI basically detects some things that are anomalies, there's
no way that you're not going to eventually fall victim
to this. And I think it's a good thing that
the NCAA is told it's student athletes. Why doll you

(08:31):
graduate and become a pro or become a regular citizen.
Then you can play all the fantasy football and gamble
all you want. But while you're playing sports with us.
We're not going to let you get in a position
where you lose enough money to where you're going to
be influenced by unscrupulous people.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, and you, Unfortunately I'm not have to disagree with you.
I think it's the wrong decision. I feel they should
have kept this. I think we've seen enough times in
American history beyond just sports, that prohibition doesn't work. You
take away alcohol, people are still going to find a
way to drink. You try and prevent people from doing
things with their bodies that I'm not going to indulge
here on the show, that they're still gonna find a
way to take care of those things. That The reality

(09:05):
is that everybody in America, everybody in the world, really
is in their core a teenager. And here's why, Because
what is one thing teenagers hate to be told no?
What do they do anyways? The exact opposite. We are
no different than we were when we were fourteen. We
might have better judgments, but even still as adults, when
someone tells us no, that makes us want to do
it even more. And enough time has passed to see

(09:26):
that hey, they might say, hey, no, you can't gamble,
people are still gonna gamble. No you can't drink, they're
still gonna drink. No you can't do this, and that
they're gonna do that tenfold. I feel like if you've
at least taken the ban off of it, it would
have allowed more regulation, safer ways to do this. I
don't like the INAA saying no, none of this is allowed,
because if they're trying to protect the integrity of sports
or whatever it is, that's a lie. At this point,

(09:47):
we all understand it's a business.