June 27, 2025 • 10 mins
Dylan Harper and Carter Bryant are given their numbers, and Spurs fans are likely to have issues.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
So Spurs drafted two players in the lottery, Dylan Harper
going number two overall, Carter Bryant going number fourteen, and
the numbers came out today on who was going to
wear what? Now, I had a sneaking suspicion. I knew
what number Dylan Harper was going to wear because of
the number he wore in college. But Carter Bryant gets
(00:23):
number eleven, and I was a little concerned about that
because there is a history of that number not being
I would say, curse. I'm not into the voodoo magic stuff.
But the last guy that had the number that had
a long run with it was Bryn Forbes. Other guys
TG Ford Ward four year, James Anderson Ward for a year,
Josh Prima Ward for two years, So, like you know
(00:44):
what I mean, Like, there's not a lot of success
in that jersey. Vernon Maxwell eighty ninety ninety seven. I
remember I had we talked a little basketball cards earlier.
I remember I had that little card of him wearing
number eleven. So it's a jersey number for Carter Bryant
that he can put his name on and really put
his mark on potentially. Now I was kind of hoping
he was gonna get number eight or twenty four because
(01:06):
I thought it'd be funny to have a Bryant jersey
in the silver and black.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Dylan Harper, however, got the same number who were in college,
which is number two, which had a lot of people
discussing Kawhi Leonard once again. Now the city is very
much divided, and I understand if you're divided on this topic.
I have mixed emotions as well about the retirement of
a potential number two in the rafters of the Frost
(01:34):
Bank Center or wherever else the Spurs end up playing
with Project Marvel everything else like that. So let's just say,
the next spot the Spurs play basketball in, will there
be a number two jersey hanging from the rafters? Shane,
you look excited what he got.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I go back and forth on this because I'm one
of those Spurs fans that, honestly, I'm kind of like,
I'm past the point of hating on Kawhi. I'm kind
of over that. I understand why people some people will
keep it. I mean, I do have like some grudges.
I'm a middle child, so I know all about grudges.
And all that, But I don't have as much to
stay for Kawi as I once did when it first happened.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I've kind of moved on from that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But as far as like, if we're gonna honor him,
like retire his jersey, because if we want to honor
him for what he did, I would think that there
has to be some contrition on his side first before
before the city can embrace it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, Oh, I one hundred percent agree with that. Now,
I think back to other legends who have had their
jersey retire because at this point, I mean, Kawi is
a two time champion Defensive Player of the Year and
while he did half of that stuff in a Spurs
jersey in a short amount of time. As well, in
the grand scheme of things, it should be noted that
he did have a successful career in Santonio. I said, though,
(02:47):
do not retire that jersey until Dylan Harper retires. If Dylan,
let Dylan Harper have a full Spurs career before you
have anything coming back. So maybe that's fifteen years, maybe
that's twenty years. Maybe with modern medicine, we're talking twenty
five years from now. Is when we can put a
number two in the rafters. And I'm fine with that
at that point, but do not do it, Do not
(03:07):
think about doing it, do not consider it until Dylan
Harper retires. Let him build a legacy in that number,
because he has a history with it. He warded college.
He was a very good player at Rutgers. Even though
the team won fifteen games, he was legit. He was
very very good at Rutgers. Same with Ace Bailey. We'll
talk about him a little bit later. But I said,
(03:29):
let him do what he does. Let him have a
career in that number. Because the minute that you invite
a guy back to retire the number, then all of
a sudden it comes into the conversation of well, should
we move off of the number? Should Dylan Harper give
the number back up? What do you do? I'm fine
with him, and this isn't a situation like what happened
in Denver. Now Denver, Carl Afty drafted number three overall
(03:53):
in two thousand and three, right the Lebron Draft. The
Lebron Draft. He goes to the Nuggets. He should have
gone higher, right, he should have gone number two overall
to the Pistons. They mess that up. He goes where
he goes into Denver, where's number fifteen in the same
number he.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Wore in college?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, and he jettison's from Denver. He forces his way out.
He goes to New York in one of the most
bone headed moves, arguably in the last twenty five years
of NBA basketball. You forced a team that you were
going to sign with anyway in free agency. You forced
that team to trade all their good players for you.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Then you went there. A tailor is all as time.
So he leaves.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Nuggets sit on number fifteen for a couple of
years and then give it to a number what forty pick?
Second round draft pick, a guy that got drafted during
a Taco bell commercial.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Who Nikolai Jokic?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Is he like franchish?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah? Yeah, multiple times, three time MVP champion, Nikolai Jokich.
He is number fifteen. There's not a debate anymore about
whose number that is. It is the greatest player in
Denver Nuggets history.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what they need to do with that number.
So they didn't do what the Cowboys do with certain
jersey numbers. So they don't retire numbers like fifty four
or eighty eight or twenty one. Because they've had multiple
players who've won these jerseys that they had high expectations
for and became all pros and whatnot. Maybe fifteen is
like the Nuggets jersey number of honors, so to speak.
Like at Syracuse their jersey number of honors forty four
(05:21):
because Jim Brown and Ernie Davis and Floyd Little and
guys like that, they wore that number.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So you got to earn the number right exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Maybe you come in wearing number eleven and then you
leave wearing number twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Twenty one I would say is untouchable.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Maybe like maybe twelve because if they unretired twelve Bruce Bowen,
they gave his LaMarcus Aldridge.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah maybe, I don't think. I like that idea. You
couldn't do that with a franchise that already had. Maybe
Vegas or Seattle could do that when they get expansion numbers,
like expansion teams. I don't think you could do that
with a team that has any sort of history. But
it's cure.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I go back and forth on it too, Shane, like
should the number be retired? I stand on the idea
that you don't retire the number until Dylan Harper has
a full and healthy career. Let him go and make
something of himself, let him rewrite the number and the
history behind it and everything else. I personally thought Wimby
was gonna get number two when he got drafted one
(06:20):
overall in twenty twenty three. I thought that the Spurs
would be like, how about you wear number two.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And just got a slap in the face.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Not so much a slap in the face, but just
a washing of sins, right right, you have a whole
new exercising of demons everything. I don't care one way
or the other. It's just a jersey. I saw a
lot of fans at the Wai draft party that we
were at the Rock. They had their old number two jerseys,
little duct tape wrote Harper on the back of them.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I thought that was kind of cool. I liked that.
That was fine.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I saw some lou Dort jerseys at the parade the
Thunder had earlier this week, and there's a couple guys
who had thirty five jerseys who had the three duct
taped over and lou Dor They've changed the name on
the back of the jersey to Door. I thought those
were kind of unique and clever. I don't mind this
cheaper than buying the New Jersey. I mean, yeah, I
(07:09):
don't know how you put that through the washer, but yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Probably take the tape off and just do it every
single time.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Retape it every single time you do it. So again,
I understand where people would kind of be on the
fence with that, because there is obviously a lot of
you know, there's still malcontent, right, there's still a you know,
an issue there that is not gonna get resolved. But
you think, if you're the Spurs too, like this is
(07:36):
the perfect time because it's the number two overall pick.
He's number two in college. He fits the system, and
on all reports, he's gonna be a really good player.
Like you, no matter who you talk to, whether it
be somebody who watched him in college in New Jersey
for playing for Rutgers, or somebody who watched him through
the draft combine, or somebody who just casually watched him
(07:57):
on YouTube, you can tell like he's gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
The question then turns into who's getting comped to? Because
I heard the Dylan I heard the Dylan Harper comparisons.
I saw a little bit of the John Stott or
the Jason Kidd. I didn't love that. The last guy
that got compared to kid was Lonzo Ball and that
didn't really you know, there's a lot of pressure with that.
I didn't love the Dwayne Wade comp that I saw
(08:22):
earlier this week too for him, because Dwayne Wade was
a high flying guard. And again loved Dylan Harper. He
didn't have those type of hops. He's not that type
of guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, No, Like Dwayne Wade was such a freak athlete
even coming out of Marquette.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yah.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, Harper.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
His best attribute and y'all talked about this too, is
he when he has his alley to the basket, he
is almost impossible to stop.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that's why the pick and roll is so interesting
to me. And the Spurs have a wealth of depth
now at that guard position because the idea of the
old school point.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Guard is pretty much coming gone.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like Chris Paul is probably the last judicial point guard
the Spurs will ever employ. From this point on. You're
gonna get combo guards. You're gonna get guards that can score.
You're gonna get guards who can take the ball up
the court. I've seen deals now where, and we'll talk
about this later. The Dallas Mavericks want to turn Cooper
Flag into a point forward, and I said, Jason Kidd,
lighting struck once does not mean it's gonna strike twice.
(09:18):
When you take these forwards and make them point guards.
He turned Giannis into a point guard or point forward,
and it worked. I don't necessarily want Cooper Flag a
rookie bringing the ball up the court for me, and
I don't necessarily want Dylan Harper in his rookie year
to be bringing the ball up the floor for me,
especially when I have Dearon Fox and Stephan Castle and
Devivitsel all on that roster as well. So we'll see
(09:39):
how it goes from here for the Spurs. But Dylan
Harper wearing number two, exercising some.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of the demons.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You can go buy the shirt jerseys, I think in
academy in a couple of days, calls the jerseys will
come out here in a couple of days at the academy.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You can go pick those up, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
When we come come with you, georts, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You when we come back.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Did the Steelers already sign the death note on Mike
Tomlin's career? Is he gonna get fired because of the
moves the front office. Maybe we'll talk about it. Next
ticket seven sixty, Andrew Zim will fill it in for
Andy Everett.
So Spurs drafted two players in the lottery, Dylan Harper
going number two overall, Carter Bryant going number fourteen, and
the numbers came out today on who was going to
wear what? Now, I had a sneaking suspicion. I knew
what number Dylan Harper was going to wear because of
the number he wore in college. But Carter Bryant gets
(00:23):
number eleven, and I was a little concerned about that
because there is a history of that number not being
I would say, curse. I'm not into the voodoo magic stuff.
But the last guy that had the number that had
a long run with it was Bryn Forbes. Other guys
TG Ford Ward four year, James Anderson Ward for a year,
Josh Prima Ward for two years, So, like you know
(00:44):
what I mean, Like, there's not a lot of success
in that jersey. Vernon Maxwell eighty ninety ninety seven. I
remember I had we talked a little basketball cards earlier.
I remember I had that little card of him wearing
number eleven. So it's a jersey number for Carter Bryant
that he can put his name on and really put
his mark on potentially. Now I was kind of hoping
he was gonna get number eight or twenty four because
(01:06):
I thought it'd be funny to have a Bryant jersey
in the silver and black.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
But neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Dylan Harper, however, got the same number who were in college,
which is number two, which had a lot of people
discussing Kawhi Leonard once again. Now the city is very
much divided, and I understand if you're divided on this topic.
I have mixed emotions as well about the retirement of
a potential number two in the rafters of the Frost
(01:34):
Bank Center or wherever else the Spurs end up playing
with Project Marvel everything else like that. So let's just say,
the next spot the Spurs play basketball in, will there
be a number two jersey hanging from the rafters? Shane,
you look excited what he got.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I go back and forth on this because I'm one
of those Spurs fans that, honestly, I'm kind of like,
I'm past the point of hating on Kawhi. I'm kind
of over that. I understand why people some people will
keep it. I mean, I do have like some grudges.
I'm a middle child, so I know all about grudges.
And all that, But I don't have as much to
stay for Kawi as I once did when it first happened.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I've kind of moved on from that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But as far as like, if we're gonna honor him,
like retire his jersey, because if we want to honor
him for what he did, I would think that there
has to be some contrition on his side first before
before the city can embrace it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, Oh, I one hundred percent agree with that. Now,
I think back to other legends who have had their
jersey retire because at this point, I mean, Kawi is
a two time champion Defensive Player of the Year and
while he did half of that stuff in a Spurs
jersey in a short amount of time. As well, in
the grand scheme of things, it should be noted that
he did have a successful career in Santonio. I said, though,
(02:47):
do not retire that jersey until Dylan Harper retires. If Dylan,
let Dylan Harper have a full Spurs career before you
have anything coming back. So maybe that's fifteen years, maybe
that's twenty years. Maybe with modern medicine, we're talking twenty
five years from now. Is when we can put a
number two in the rafters. And I'm fine with that
at that point, but do not do it, Do not
(03:07):
think about doing it, do not consider it until Dylan
Harper retires. Let him build a legacy in that number,
because he has a history with it. He warded college.
He was a very good player at Rutgers. Even though
the team won fifteen games, he was legit. He was
very very good at Rutgers. Same with Ace Bailey. We'll
talk about him a little bit later. But I said,
(03:29):
let him do what he does. Let him have a
career in that number. Because the minute that you invite
a guy back to retire the number, then all of
a sudden it comes into the conversation of well, should
we move off of the number? Should Dylan Harper give
the number back up? What do you do? I'm fine
with him, and this isn't a situation like what happened
in Denver. Now Denver, Carl Afty drafted number three overall
(03:53):
in two thousand and three, right the Lebron Draft. The
Lebron Draft. He goes to the Nuggets. He should have
gone higher, right, he should have gone number two overall
to the Pistons. They mess that up. He goes where
he goes into Denver, where's number fifteen in the same
number he.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Wore in college?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, and he jettison's from Denver. He forces his way out.
He goes to New York in one of the most
bone headed moves, arguably in the last twenty five years
of NBA basketball. You forced a team that you were
going to sign with anyway in free agency. You forced
that team to trade all their good players for you.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Then you went there. A tailor is all as time.
So he leaves.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The Nuggets sit on number fifteen for a couple of
years and then give it to a number what forty pick?
Second round draft pick, a guy that got drafted during
a Taco bell commercial.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Who Nikolai Jokic?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Is he like franchish?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah? Yeah, multiple times, three time MVP champion, Nikolai Jokich.
He is number fifteen. There's not a debate anymore about
whose number that is. It is the greatest player in
Denver Nuggets history.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what they need to do with that number.
So they didn't do what the Cowboys do with certain
jersey numbers. So they don't retire numbers like fifty four
or eighty eight or twenty one. Because they've had multiple
players who've won these jerseys that they had high expectations
for and became all pros and whatnot. Maybe fifteen is
like the Nuggets jersey number of honors, so to speak.
Like at Syracuse their jersey number of honors forty four
(05:21):
because Jim Brown and Ernie Davis and Floyd Little and
guys like that, they wore that number.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So you got to earn the number right exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Maybe you come in wearing number eleven and then you
leave wearing number twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Twenty one I would say is untouchable.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Maybe like maybe twelve because if they unretired twelve Bruce Bowen,
they gave his LaMarcus Aldridge.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah maybe, I don't think. I like that idea. You
couldn't do that with a franchise that already had. Maybe
Vegas or Seattle could do that when they get expansion numbers,
like expansion teams. I don't think you could do that
with a team that has any sort of history. But
it's cure.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I go back and forth on it too, Shane, like
should the number be retired? I stand on the idea
that you don't retire the number until Dylan Harper has
a full and healthy career. Let him go and make
something of himself, let him rewrite the number and the
history behind it and everything else. I personally thought Wimby
was gonna get number two when he got drafted one
(06:20):
overall in twenty twenty three. I thought that the Spurs
would be like, how about you wear number two.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And just got a slap in the face.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Not so much a slap in the face, but just
a washing of sins, right right, you have a whole
new exercising of demons everything. I don't care one way
or the other. It's just a jersey. I saw a
lot of fans at the Wai draft party that we
were at the Rock. They had their old number two jerseys,
little duct tape wrote Harper on the back of them.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I thought that was kind of cool. I liked that.
That was fine.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I saw some lou Dort jerseys at the parade the
Thunder had earlier this week, and there's a couple guys
who had thirty five jerseys who had the three duct
taped over and lou Dor They've changed the name on
the back of the jersey to Door. I thought those
were kind of unique and clever. I don't mind this
cheaper than buying the New Jersey. I mean, yeah, I
(07:09):
don't know how you put that through the washer, but yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Probably take the tape off and just do it every
single time.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Retape it every single time you do it. So again,
I understand where people would kind of be on the
fence with that, because there is obviously a lot of
you know, there's still malcontent, right, there's still a you know,
an issue there that is not gonna get resolved. But
you think, if you're the Spurs too, like this is
(07:36):
the perfect time because it's the number two overall pick.
He's number two in college. He fits the system, and
on all reports, he's gonna be a really good player.
Like you, no matter who you talk to, whether it
be somebody who watched him in college in New Jersey
for playing for Rutgers, or somebody who watched him through
the draft combine, or somebody who just casually watched him
(07:57):
on YouTube, you can tell like he's gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
The question then turns into who's getting comped to? Because
I heard the Dylan I heard the Dylan Harper comparisons.
I saw a little bit of the John Stott or
the Jason Kidd. I didn't love that. The last guy
that got compared to kid was Lonzo Ball and that
didn't really you know, there's a lot of pressure with that.
I didn't love the Dwayne Wade comp that I saw
(08:22):
earlier this week too for him, because Dwayne Wade was
a high flying guard. And again loved Dylan Harper. He
didn't have those type of hops. He's not that type
of guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, No, Like Dwayne Wade was such a freak athlete
even coming out of Marquette.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yah.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, Harper.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
His best attribute and y'all talked about this too, is
he when he has his alley to the basket, he
is almost impossible to stop.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
See.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
And that's why the pick and roll is so interesting
to me. And the Spurs have a wealth of depth
now at that guard position because the idea of the
old school point.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Guard is pretty much coming gone.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Like Chris Paul is probably the last judicial point guard
the Spurs will ever employ. From this point on. You're
gonna get combo guards. You're gonna get guards that can score.
You're gonna get guards who can take the ball up
the court. I've seen deals now where, and we'll talk
about this later. The Dallas Mavericks want to turn Cooper
Flag into a point forward, and I said, Jason Kidd,
lighting struck once does not mean it's gonna strike twice.
(09:18):
When you take these forwards and make them point guards.
He turned Giannis into a point guard or point forward,
and it worked. I don't necessarily want Cooper Flag a
rookie bringing the ball up the court for me, and
I don't necessarily want Dylan Harper in his rookie year
to be bringing the ball up the floor for me,
especially when I have Dearon Fox and Stephan Castle and
Devivitsel all on that roster as well. So we'll see
(09:39):
how it goes from here for the Spurs. But Dylan
Harper wearing number two, exercising some.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of the demons.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
You can go buy the shirt jerseys, I think in
academy in a couple of days, calls the jerseys will
come out here in a couple of days at the academy.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You can go pick those up, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
When we come come with you, georts, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You when we come back.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Did the Steelers already sign the death note on Mike
Tomlin's career? Is he gonna get fired because of the
moves the front office. Maybe we'll talk about it. Next
ticket seven sixty, Andrew Zim will fill it in for
Andy Everett.
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