August 15, 2025 • 8 mins
NBA tells their betting partners to avoid using smaller minute players for prop bets.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The NBA has reached out to its partners who dabble
in the gambling industry. Yes, you know, you can't beat them,
so you have to join them, right, I guess. So
we're talking fan duel DraftKings, probably a little bit of
bally stuff. Anybody that's got a casino as part of
their sponsorship with individual teams, all of these places that
(00:28):
may or may not have sports books, and they are
saying they're asking these entities to stop having prop bets
on players. I'm going to use this term loosely in
air quotes for players that don't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Wow. Wow. They mattered to that person's mom and dad.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They mattered to the fact that they're getting an NBA check,
but they don't matter when it comes to their performance
on the court because they're rarely playing.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The NASA this matters to Giannis, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So if the nasist gets in the game, it is
over and under his ten points. We don't want you
to have that on the line because he's only playing
when the game's out of hand one way.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Or the other. I wonder what the NASA career high
is not a lot? I gotta look this up now,
do we care well? I care Is it compelling enough? Andy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
One day I might be on who wants to be
a millionaire? And I know it's not Regis, it's whoever
it is now. They may be you know, Giannis Antetokoupo's brother,
the Nasais.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is his career high? You've just won a million dollars?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, you just won a million dollars, So I gotta
find out twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Really? Yep?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In an NBA regular season game.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yep. It happened in twenty twenty two against the Calves.
And how bad do they beat the Calves? It says
they lost.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How bad do the Calves beat them? It doesn't show
the score, probably by forty. Anyway, the league has said
the Jontay Murrays of the world are Jontay Porters of
the world, I should say. And the other out there
that are kind of near the end of the bench
or on two way contracts, all those kind of things.
Please don't put them on your betting gambling lines as
(02:12):
over unders, because if they get in the game, they
can look at somebody in the stands and go thumbs up,
thumbs down. And you can do online betting on your
phone or in some arenas you can walk up to
the concourse and place a bet, and now all of
a sudden, that player's on the hooked. He's gonna make
(02:32):
somebody matt he's gonna score more than ten or is
he gonna score less than or whatever his number is.
And basically what happened with John day Porter. His over
under was he was going to score like six points
or play a certain amount of minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And as soon as he got to the lawn number,
he checked himself out with an injury. Yep, And there
was an unusual amount of activity on a player who
rarely plays over and under on terms of points, and
him leaving was not so coincidental to him winning his
friends winning that bet so that he could cash in
(03:10):
with them. I don't know why you would disrupt the
integrity of the game that you wanted to play since
you were a kid, But that's what happens, and he's
paying the ultimate price. He'll never play, probably in the
NBA ever again, but most likely you won't play in
a lot of professional leagues ever again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I mean, I don't think that I think the prop
bets are fun for people that like the gamble, But
for the most part.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't know why you're betting on players that don't
really matter unless you know something on the inside.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, yeah, that's the biggest thing is you're trying to
kind of bet on what would be a quote unquote
sure thing. But as you talked about the integrity of
the game, you know, that's what an NBA spokesperson was
telling when they send a statement to ESPN, quote saying,
protecting the integrity of our game is paramount, and we
(04:01):
believe reasonable limitations on certain prop bets should be given
due consideration. And again, like you mentioned, the biggest one
that they're trying to do with their partners is stop
allowing betters to wager on the under on prop bets
involving players on two way contracts, like Johntay Porter was
(04:24):
when he was caught.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, Michael Porter, who was Denver, was on a podcast
earlier this week and he said, we get threats all
the time, and he goes, I'm a regular player and
there's a prop bet on me, Well, I'm gonna upset
half the people that are betting, because half of them
are betting that I don't hit my over and half
of them are betting that I go under. And if
(04:47):
I really want to help people out, he goes it's
wrong in every way you can think of. But if I,
if I know what my over and under is on
a certain night, I can check myself out in the
third quarter with a pinky finger injury and call it
a night.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I I didn't like when he said that on a podcast,
but he was accurate.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
He's accurate.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, But the fact that he's you know, obviously in
reference to his brother as well, but along the lines
of he's like, hey, if you want a bunch of
your your homies, just like, hey, three of us put
in one thousand dollars for my.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Under ten thousand, yeah, or whatever they want, or borrow
it from the player who has the money.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, And then I'm gonna do the nonchalant like.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Finger finger on the nose to indicate the sign, Hey,
I'm gonna get taken out of the game kind of
a thing, and boom, we all win.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
See, I think the biggest problem with this gambling stuff
is like in the NFL, now and I guess it's
now or it's coming soon. You're gonna be able to
have your phone in your seat at the at an arena,
and it's gonna be fourth down and three, and you
can bet on whether they make it or not. You
can make You can bet on whether the field goal
is good or not. You can bet on whether the
putt returner fumbles the punter scores a touchdown or not.
(05:58):
They already all that's right there, and whatever you bet.
If it doesn't happen, well, why didn't you score the touchdown?
And if you're betting on somebody to fail and then
they don't fail, that's on you, and it's on you anyway.
But it's not like the players not trying. But if
the player knew that somebody up in the stands was
laying ten thousand of them fumbling the punt and he
(06:20):
was going to benefit from that, and he wasn't getting
paid very much and he was a journeyman player, there's
opportunities for that all the time. And I don't know
that the NFL and other sports don't do more symposiums
on this. But just because we're creating revenue for our
league through the gambling websites, you've got to teach these
kids and these players coming up. That doesn't mean that
(06:41):
you can be a part of it. You're an active
member of what's happening and what's being bet on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can't make that. You can't make that bet. Yeah.
Along in this story as well, a.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Nb PA National Basketball Players Association spokesperson went on to
say that quote players are concerned that prop bets have
become an increasingly alarmed source of player harassment, both online
and in person, and if tighter regulations can help minimize
that abuse, then we support taking a closer look at them.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
End quote. And again I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But like you said, is there are betting apps out there,
and I'm not going to name them. For one, I
don't know which ones they are, but I know there
are some where it's like, literally when the game's going on,
Hey is this guy going to hit a free throw?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Hit yes? Or hit no? There are apps that are
while you're at the game.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You can do that now, instantaneously, in real time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And again I will preface this to say, if you.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Were doing that one eight hundred gambler, set your limits,
know what you are okay with betting and possibly losing.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
There's people that are that make a living on gambling,
and they treated like a science, and they're kind of
good at it, and that's their job is to go
gamble every day.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's their addicts.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Andy, Well, I'm not saying that they're not, but you're
probably you're probably not going to Gambler's anonymous. If you
make a million dollars a year in gambling. Now, if
you lose a million dollars, you probably need to go.
But just because just because you're you're winning or losing
doesn't mean you're not addicted to it. But winners typically
(08:26):
don't want to go get treatment for something that they're enjoying.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's the ones that lose that they have.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, one eight hundred gambler for people, one eight hundred gambler.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
All right, one more segment to go. We wrap up
the day. Next it's the Andy Average show on the
ticket
The NBA has reached out to its partners who dabble
in the gambling industry. Yes, you know, you can't beat them,
so you have to join them, right, I guess. So
we're talking fan duel DraftKings, probably a little bit of
bally stuff. Anybody that's got a casino as part of
their sponsorship with individual teams, all of these places that
(00:28):
may or may not have sports books, and they are
saying they're asking these entities to stop having prop bets
on players. I'm going to use this term loosely in
air quotes for players that don't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Wow. Wow. They mattered to that person's mom and dad.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
They mattered to the fact that they're getting an NBA check,
but they don't matter when it comes to their performance
on the court because they're rarely playing.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
The NASA this matters to Giannis, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So if the nasist gets in the game, it is
over and under his ten points. We don't want you
to have that on the line because he's only playing
when the game's out of hand one way.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Or the other. I wonder what the NASA career high
is not a lot? I gotta look this up now,
do we care well? I care Is it compelling enough? Andy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
One day I might be on who wants to be
a millionaire? And I know it's not Regis, it's whoever
it is now. They may be you know, Giannis Antetokoupo's brother,
the Nasais.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
What is his career high? You've just won a million dollars?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, you just won a million dollars, So I gotta
find out twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Really? Yep?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In an NBA regular season game.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yep. It happened in twenty twenty two against the Calves.
And how bad do they beat the Calves? It says
they lost.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
How bad do the Calves beat them? It doesn't show
the score, probably by forty. Anyway, the league has said
the Jontay Murrays of the world are Jontay Porters of
the world, I should say. And the other out there
that are kind of near the end of the bench
or on two way contracts, all those kind of things.
Please don't put them on your betting gambling lines as
(02:12):
over unders, because if they get in the game, they
can look at somebody in the stands and go thumbs up,
thumbs down. And you can do online betting on your
phone or in some arenas you can walk up to
the concourse and place a bet, and now all of
a sudden, that player's on the hooked. He's gonna make
(02:32):
somebody matt he's gonna score more than ten or is
he gonna score less than or whatever his number is.
And basically what happened with John day Porter. His over
under was he was going to score like six points
or play a certain amount of minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or whatever it was.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And as soon as he got to the lawn number,
he checked himself out with an injury. Yep, And there
was an unusual amount of activity on a player who
rarely plays over and under on terms of points, and
him leaving was not so coincidental to him winning his
friends winning that bet so that he could cash in
(03:10):
with them. I don't know why you would disrupt the
integrity of the game that you wanted to play since
you were a kid, But that's what happens, and he's
paying the ultimate price. He'll never play, probably in the
NBA ever again, but most likely you won't play in
a lot of professional leagues ever again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I mean, I don't think that I think the prop
bets are fun for people that like the gamble, But
for the most part.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't know why you're betting on players that don't
really matter unless you know something on the inside.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, yeah, that's the biggest thing is you're trying to
kind of bet on what would be a quote unquote
sure thing. But as you talked about the integrity of
the game, you know, that's what an NBA spokesperson was
telling when they send a statement to ESPN, quote saying,
protecting the integrity of our game is paramount, and we
(04:01):
believe reasonable limitations on certain prop bets should be given
due consideration. And again, like you mentioned, the biggest one
that they're trying to do with their partners is stop
allowing betters to wager on the under on prop bets
involving players on two way contracts, like Johntay Porter was
(04:24):
when he was caught.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, Michael Porter, who was Denver, was on a podcast
earlier this week and he said, we get threats all
the time, and he goes, I'm a regular player and
there's a prop bet on me, Well, I'm gonna upset
half the people that are betting, because half of them
are betting that I don't hit my over and half
of them are betting that I go under. And if
(04:47):
I really want to help people out, he goes it's
wrong in every way you can think of. But if I,
if I know what my over and under is on
a certain night, I can check myself out in the
third quarter with a pinky finger injury and call it
a night.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I I didn't like when he said that on a podcast,
but he was accurate.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
He's accurate.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, But the fact that he's you know, obviously in
reference to his brother as well, but along the lines
of he's like, hey, if you want a bunch of
your your homies, just like, hey, three of us put
in one thousand dollars for my.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Under ten thousand, yeah, or whatever they want, or borrow
it from the player who has the money.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, And then I'm gonna do the nonchalant like.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Finger finger on the nose to indicate the sign, Hey,
I'm gonna get taken out of the game kind of
a thing, and boom, we all win.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
See, I think the biggest problem with this gambling stuff
is like in the NFL, now and I guess it's
now or it's coming soon. You're gonna be able to
have your phone in your seat at the at an arena,
and it's gonna be fourth down and three, and you
can bet on whether they make it or not. You
can make You can bet on whether the field goal
is good or not. You can bet on whether the
putt returner fumbles the punter scores a touchdown or not.
(05:58):
They already all that's right there, and whatever you bet.
If it doesn't happen, well, why didn't you score the touchdown?
And if you're betting on somebody to fail and then
they don't fail, that's on you, and it's on you anyway.
But it's not like the players not trying. But if
the player knew that somebody up in the stands was
laying ten thousand of them fumbling the punt and he
(06:20):
was going to benefit from that, and he wasn't getting
paid very much and he was a journeyman player, there's
opportunities for that all the time. And I don't know
that the NFL and other sports don't do more symposiums
on this. But just because we're creating revenue for our
league through the gambling websites, you've got to teach these
kids and these players coming up. That doesn't mean that
(06:41):
you can be a part of it. You're an active
member of what's happening and what's being bet on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You can't make that. You can't make that bet. Yeah.
Along in this story as well, a.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Nb PA National Basketball Players Association spokesperson went on to
say that quote players are concerned that prop bets have
become an increasingly alarmed source of player harassment, both online
and in person, and if tighter regulations can help minimize
that abuse, then we support taking a closer look at them.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
End quote. And again I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
But like you said, is there are betting apps out there,
and I'm not going to name them. For one, I
don't know which ones they are, but I know there
are some where it's like, literally when the game's going on,
Hey is this guy going to hit a free throw?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Hit yes? Or hit no? There are apps that are
while you're at the game.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You can do that now, instantaneously, in real time.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And again I will preface this to say, if you.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Were doing that one eight hundred gambler, set your limits,
know what you are okay with betting and possibly losing.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
There's people that are that make a living on gambling,
and they treated like a science, and they're kind of
good at it, and that's their job is to go
gamble every day.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's their addicts.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Andy, Well, I'm not saying that they're not, but you're
probably you're probably not going to Gambler's anonymous. If you
make a million dollars a year in gambling. Now, if
you lose a million dollars, you probably need to go.
But just because just because you're you're winning or losing
doesn't mean you're not addicted to it. But winners typically
(08:26):
don't want to go get treatment for something that they're enjoying.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's the ones that lose that they have.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, one eight hundred gambler for people, one eight hundred gambler.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
All right, one more segment to go. We wrap up
the day. Next it's the Andy Average show on the
ticket
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