August 22, 2025 • 13 mins
Sean Elliott makes a passionate speech in front of the city council.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yesterday, Project Marvel's passage, if you will, to put it
on the November ballot went through. Many people were speakers.
There's people that have been hyper critical of the Spurs
ownership group.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
With Peter J.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Holt, I still don't understand why. I think he's been
very upfront, very fair with all of this. And if
you look at teams in other cities when they ask
for stuff, and even the Spurs in nineteen ninety nine
when we were going to build the Frost Bank Center,
no team has ever said that we'll give you a
(00:41):
third of the cost of the building, or maybe two
thirds of a four billion dollar project, almost half of
it if necessary to get this done. And Sean Elliott
spoke very eloquently yesterday about what the Spurs mean to
the city of San Antonio and the identity of this team.
And I think it's important to note that right now
(01:02):
there's no suitor out there that is saying I want
the Spurs of this is a no vote.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But my guess is that this is a no vote.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
They're going to come out of the woodwork, and there
may be some that come out of the woodwork in
the next seventy five days that say Hey, if that's
a no vote, we're interested in bringing you here and
it's not going to cost you two billion dollars to
do it. Will you look at the fact that the
current ownership group, I believe their investment was somewhere in
the two hundred and seventy five million dollar range back
in the nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety eight Realm
(01:33):
General McDermott and Bob Coleman and a few others were
the original investors in that, and then the Whole Family
came on board and assumed I believe around thirty seven
percent of the team around ninety six ninety seven and
basically became the majority owner and the ownership face of
the franchise through all of their championship years and the
one that the commissioner gave the trophy to each time
(01:55):
they won one. And then recently a lot of the
minority owners be out and the Whole Family and the
Michael Dell Foundation and others became part of the ownership
group as well. So the fact that they are making
this investment to stay here for the for at least
(02:16):
thirty more years and doing and putting up so much
of their money, I think that's an absolute no brainer.
I don't understand the reason for pause. I don't understand
why people think we need to pause. You still have
plenty of time, if you're so inclined to do so,
to do as many economic surveys and studies as you want,
(02:36):
and the city can commission one, the mayor can commission
one if they want to. Whoever wants to commission one
and say that it's independent. I don't know what difference
it makes whether it's an independent one. Yeah, I understand
people think that if I decided that I'm going to
do an independent I'm going to do an economic study
and I pay for it, that I want the economic
(02:57):
study to be swayed in my direction. Well, the problem
with doing that is that you're calling people. You may
get your bluff called if it's not an accurate one.
Because if the city did decide to do one on
their own and it was vastly different than the one
that you did by yourself, now all of a sudden,
you kind of look like you're trying to sneak something
pass because you had it skewed in the wrong direction.
(03:19):
So I don't think the spurs, or for that matter,
anybody else is going to create a survey or a
study that says something that it's really not, because there's
always the opportunity to fact check things, and if your
fact checks turn out to be erroneous, then you're going
to be in some hot water there. But I also
think Sean made a good point about what this means
to the sports community and to the notari that the
(03:42):
face of the city, and I would bet whether you're
a sports fan or not, and I always reiterate that
if you're not a sports fan, I'm glad that you're
listening to me. But I'm sure that most of you
are sports fans, and many of you are Spurs fans.
When you go to another city and you tell people
where you're from, or they recognize something that says that
(04:03):
you're from San Antonio, more often than not, one of
the first parts of that conversation is going to be, oh,
how about the Spurs, How about Tim Duncan, how about Monogenobili,
and now how about Victor Wimanyama and the current players
on this team. So and then I think that while
I keep hearing this deal, well, the city is going
to be on the hook for this, and the county
(04:23):
is going to be on the hook for this. It's
all coming from hotel and motel tax and carbonal tax,
and it's all a collection that there's going to be made.
And then there's the turres tax, which I understand is
a percentage of the local sales tax that would normally
go to the state that is now going to be
able to be kept by the city in order to
fund this. So okay, so the city's going to pay this,
(04:44):
but it's going to come out of something that they're
not collecting tax for. They're just diverting it from one
bank account to the other. So I don't know of
any organization and the history of sports that has been
this amicable to making sure that its community is able
to fund a team forever and ever. And I've mentioned
this several times during this Project Marvel debate. It was
(05:06):
it was just two years ago in Oklahoma City that
the citizens of Oklahoma City agreed on a six year
one percent sales tax and the referendum passed seventy one
percent to twenty nine percent. And I'll even do thot
some numbers out there for you. One percent what does
that mean? So if you go to the store and
(05:27):
buy something that's one hundred bucks right now. And your
sales tax, I believe here in San Antonio is eight
and a half, So it's one hundred and eight dollars
and fifty cents. Then in Oklahoma City, and let's say
it is the same thing. If you add one percent
to that, Now your purchase for a hundred bucks is
one hundred and nine dollars and so or one hundred
(05:49):
nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So are you really if you're spending one hundred bucks
on something, is an extra dollar gonna make you not
buy it?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I kind of doubt it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And what do you look at the car rental and
motel rental tax and the hotel in the car rental
and hotel motel tax. If you are one that often
rents a car for a business situation, or often rents
a car for fun, or often stays it has the
staycation in downtown or in one of the resorts here
in town, and you're paying an extra one percent, your
(06:19):
bill's three hundred bucks right now and all the time,
and that's all the taxes and fees combined, it's three
hundred bucks. Well, next year, if the tax goes through,
it's three hundred and three dollars. Are you not going
to go on that trip? Is are you going to
miss the three bucks when you're already spending three hundred dollars?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
This was the argument that I had that was discussed
back in nineteen eighty nine when we were voting on
the Alamodome, And it's the same thing that we did
in nineteen ninety nine. And there will always be people
that are against ever everything. There are always going to
be people that are against progress. And understand that people
don't like change, but if you're not adapting, you're dying.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you're not changing, if you're not.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Moving forward, you're standing still, And there's always somebody else
that's willing to take your place if you don't want
to have the notoriety of being one of thirty teams
that has not only an NBA team, but a professional
sports team in your city.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Andy, the thing that really stood out to me from
Sean Elliet' speech, and for those who haven't heard it,
you can find it pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's about four and a half minutes long.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But the one thing that really stood out to me
was when he mentioned the community and it's attachment to
the Spurs and what it means, and the trickle down
effect of the Spurs and the city itself. Explaining that
if we want to be able to advance the city
forward and this I think this is and I think
this is a good way to call it is to
honor the past but move forward into the future. Because
while we can admire the city, the citizens have been
here for a long time, have seen the growth of
(07:42):
the city, who have seen the Spurs evolve into the
franchise They've become everything that goes along with it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We also have to realize San Antonio is behind.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
If you go to places like Dallas, Houston, and Andy,
you're you're a frequent traveler, you have more frequent flyer
miles than people who work for Delta, just because you're
doucsa that there are other cities have advanced past this.
San Antonio, I mean this, with all due respect, is
stuck in two thousand and three at the very least.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, in a lot of ways. I think a lot
of cities are.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But I think I just think there's always this desire
to I don't want to change. I'm comfortable where I'm at,
But you got to get sometimes comfortable being uncomfortable in
order to be able to progress forward. And I think
to have Shawn Elliott there. I've said this for a
long time. I would I would think that the Mount
rushmore of Spurs players would have five, would have five
(08:30):
faces on it. Well, but it would have five because
you can't leave any of these five off. It's Tim, Toni,
Manu and David and Ice, so you can't leave any
of those people off. But I think the person that
is the most relatable, the most available to the community,
the most seen in the community has always been Shawn.
(08:53):
When he got here, he loved the city immediately. He
never went back to Arizona to live permanently where he
could certainly done.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
After he retired. Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He speaks very highly of the community and the and
and then he does the TV stuff and he has
been somebody that that you can relate to. When he's
at games, he's he talks to the people behind him
in the stands and not just go shows up, does
the game and leaves.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He's never said I don't think I'm sure he's had
to say no to people on autographs because of time
restraints or whatever. But he's never been uh, he's never
been one to turn that down or photo opportunities. He's
kind of the people's spur, the people's spur.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
He's one of us.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And to have him be able to relate that to
the members of the council. And that's what I hope
those who voted know for this, uh for are that
wanted to pause, they understand what they're they're pausing for.
Go ahead and have your survey. If you want, go
ahead and do this. But when we get into October
and November, to have a unified city council that says
(09:54):
we all should vote yes, and and even the mayor
and the other three that voted no, say, listen, we
need to make sure the Spurs don't have any temptation
of going anywhere, and other cities don't start sending them
letters to poach them. We weren't necessarily like in the
way that's got done, But when you look at the
way it's going to be financed, it's not going to
hurt anyone. And I think all of them need to
get on board with the other seven and say we're
(10:16):
going to do this. And there are people out there
that are their constituents that are going to vote, however,
those four people tell them to vote. And if those
four people can realize this is what we have to do.
It's not what we should do or what we can do,
it's what we must do. And if that message will
(10:37):
come not only from the seven that said yes yesterday,
but the four who are skeptical about it, then I
think we'll have a positive vote come November. I don't
know that those four will do it, but it would
make better sense for them to take the high road,
and I also think it would extend their political careers
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I really do hope, in my heart of hearts that
the people who go to know are just really scared
that we're looking at another Frost situation again, just because
of what was promised then and what's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I don't know that it was promised.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It was discussed, but there was no mayor, there was
no judge, there was no city leader that said we
are going to redevelop the convention center space. I guarantee it.
It was up for discussion, but I don't know that
there they there's not any infrastructure there other than we
got Coca Cola bottling plant and you've got the Willow
(11:29):
Springs golf course and that's it. The rest of it
is all in a couple of bars, but there's all
the rest of and that they basically cater to the
golf course guys that want to go drink after the round.
But it's it's all industrial stuff. It's not like there's
anything there to build on. The redevelopment project would have
taken billions of dollars, maybe more than that, and a
(11:51):
lot of time. I never saw that area getting an
influx of money. Uh and and and we're downtown. You
already have all that infrastructure in place. If I were
if I were the spurs in not necessarily I would
say I would do exactly what they're doing. But one
(12:11):
of the if I were going to spend two billion
dollars on my own money on something, I'd put the
arena at iten in sixteen oh four because my season
ticket holders and my players all live with about ten
miles of there, and it would be convenient to get
in and out and out and in and all that.
But they're doing this for the community and making this
about the entire city, and also I think even making
(12:32):
it about the people that never attend games, but still
want to be able to say, this is their town
and they play in my city. And downtown is where
kind of people can congregate for everything major. It's where
the parades take place, it's where the celebrations take place,
it's where you celebrate the New Year's, all those kinds
of things. Just let's go downtown, Let's have a river parade,
(12:52):
let's go down and Hanker horns is when we win
a championship. So they're making it possible for everybody to
have a piece of it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And I know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Tickets are ridiculously expensive and that's never going to happen,
and concessions are worse as well. But you don't have
to go to a game to be a fan. But
I think you would much rather be a fan of
a team that's in your city than one that is
potentially not. All right, let's turn our attention to the
Trey Murphy news of the day and the fact that
the Pelicans are shopping him around and seeing who may
be interested in giving them some players for the future,
(13:22):
for somebody that can help their team right now.
Yesterday, Project Marvel's passage, if you will, to put it
on the November ballot went through. Many people were speakers.
There's people that have been hyper critical of the Spurs
ownership group.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
With Peter J.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Holt, I still don't understand why. I think he's been
very upfront, very fair with all of this. And if
you look at teams in other cities when they ask
for stuff, and even the Spurs in nineteen ninety nine
when we were going to build the Frost Bank Center,
no team has ever said that we'll give you a
(00:41):
third of the cost of the building, or maybe two
thirds of a four billion dollar project, almost half of
it if necessary to get this done. And Sean Elliott
spoke very eloquently yesterday about what the Spurs mean to
the city of San Antonio and the identity of this team.
And I think it's important to note that right now
(01:02):
there's no suitor out there that is saying I want
the Spurs of this is a no vote.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But my guess is that this is a no vote.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
They're going to come out of the woodwork, and there
may be some that come out of the woodwork in
the next seventy five days that say Hey, if that's
a no vote, we're interested in bringing you here and
it's not going to cost you two billion dollars to
do it. Will you look at the fact that the
current ownership group, I believe their investment was somewhere in
the two hundred and seventy five million dollar range back
in the nineteen ninety four to nineteen ninety eight Realm
(01:33):
General McDermott and Bob Coleman and a few others were
the original investors in that, and then the Whole Family
came on board and assumed I believe around thirty seven
percent of the team around ninety six ninety seven and
basically became the majority owner and the ownership face of
the franchise through all of their championship years and the
one that the commissioner gave the trophy to each time
(01:55):
they won one. And then recently a lot of the
minority owners be out and the Whole Family and the
Michael Dell Foundation and others became part of the ownership
group as well. So the fact that they are making
this investment to stay here for the for at least
(02:16):
thirty more years and doing and putting up so much
of their money, I think that's an absolute no brainer.
I don't understand the reason for pause. I don't understand
why people think we need to pause. You still have
plenty of time, if you're so inclined to do so,
to do as many economic surveys and studies as you want,
(02:36):
and the city can commission one, the mayor can commission
one if they want to. Whoever wants to commission one
and say that it's independent. I don't know what difference
it makes whether it's an independent one. Yeah, I understand
people think that if I decided that I'm going to
do an independent I'm going to do an economic study
and I pay for it, that I want the economic
(02:57):
study to be swayed in my direction. Well, the problem
with doing that is that you're calling people. You may
get your bluff called if it's not an accurate one.
Because if the city did decide to do one on
their own and it was vastly different than the one
that you did by yourself, now all of a sudden,
you kind of look like you're trying to sneak something
pass because you had it skewed in the wrong direction.
(03:19):
So I don't think the spurs, or for that matter,
anybody else is going to create a survey or a
study that says something that it's really not, because there's
always the opportunity to fact check things, and if your
fact checks turn out to be erroneous, then you're going
to be in some hot water there. But I also
think Sean made a good point about what this means
to the sports community and to the notari that the
(03:42):
face of the city, and I would bet whether you're
a sports fan or not, and I always reiterate that
if you're not a sports fan, I'm glad that you're
listening to me. But I'm sure that most of you
are sports fans, and many of you are Spurs fans.
When you go to another city and you tell people
where you're from, or they recognize something that says that
(04:03):
you're from San Antonio, more often than not, one of
the first parts of that conversation is going to be, oh,
how about the Spurs, How about Tim Duncan, how about Monogenobili,
and now how about Victor Wimanyama and the current players
on this team. So and then I think that while
I keep hearing this deal, well, the city is going
to be on the hook for this, and the county
(04:23):
is going to be on the hook for this. It's
all coming from hotel and motel tax and carbonal tax,
and it's all a collection that there's going to be made.
And then there's the turres tax, which I understand is
a percentage of the local sales tax that would normally
go to the state that is now going to be
able to be kept by the city in order to
fund this. So okay, so the city's going to pay this,
(04:44):
but it's going to come out of something that they're
not collecting tax for. They're just diverting it from one
bank account to the other. So I don't know of
any organization and the history of sports that has been
this amicable to making sure that its community is able
to fund a team forever and ever. And I've mentioned
this several times during this Project Marvel debate. It was
(05:06):
it was just two years ago in Oklahoma City that
the citizens of Oklahoma City agreed on a six year
one percent sales tax and the referendum passed seventy one
percent to twenty nine percent. And I'll even do thot
some numbers out there for you. One percent what does
that mean? So if you go to the store and
(05:27):
buy something that's one hundred bucks right now. And your
sales tax, I believe here in San Antonio is eight
and a half, So it's one hundred and eight dollars
and fifty cents. Then in Oklahoma City, and let's say
it is the same thing. If you add one percent
to that, Now your purchase for a hundred bucks is
one hundred and nine dollars and so or one hundred
(05:49):
nine dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So are you really if you're spending one hundred bucks
on something, is an extra dollar gonna make you not
buy it?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I kind of doubt it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
And what do you look at the car rental and
motel rental tax and the hotel in the car rental
and hotel motel tax. If you are one that often
rents a car for a business situation, or often rents
a car for fun, or often stays it has the
staycation in downtown or in one of the resorts here
in town, and you're paying an extra one percent, your
(06:19):
bill's three hundred bucks right now and all the time,
and that's all the taxes and fees combined, it's three
hundred bucks. Well, next year, if the tax goes through,
it's three hundred and three dollars. Are you not going
to go on that trip? Is are you going to
miss the three bucks when you're already spending three hundred dollars?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
This was the argument that I had that was discussed
back in nineteen eighty nine when we were voting on
the Alamodome, And it's the same thing that we did
in nineteen ninety nine. And there will always be people
that are against ever everything. There are always going to
be people that are against progress. And understand that people
don't like change, but if you're not adapting, you're dying.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you're not changing, if you're not.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Moving forward, you're standing still, And there's always somebody else
that's willing to take your place if you don't want
to have the notoriety of being one of thirty teams
that has not only an NBA team, but a professional
sports team in your city.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Andy, the thing that really stood out to me from
Sean Elliet' speech, and for those who haven't heard it,
you can find it pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's about four and a half minutes long.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But the one thing that really stood out to me
was when he mentioned the community and it's attachment to
the Spurs and what it means, and the trickle down
effect of the Spurs and the city itself. Explaining that
if we want to be able to advance the city
forward and this I think this is and I think
this is a good way to call it is to
honor the past but move forward into the future. Because
while we can admire the city, the citizens have been
here for a long time, have seen the growth of
(07:42):
the city, who have seen the Spurs evolve into the
franchise They've become everything that goes along with it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We also have to realize San Antonio is behind.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
If you go to places like Dallas, Houston, and Andy,
you're you're a frequent traveler, you have more frequent flyer
miles than people who work for Delta, just because you're
doucsa that there are other cities have advanced past this.
San Antonio, I mean this, with all due respect, is
stuck in two thousand and three at the very least.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, in a lot of ways. I think a lot
of cities are.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
But I think I just think there's always this desire
to I don't want to change. I'm comfortable where I'm at,
But you got to get sometimes comfortable being uncomfortable in
order to be able to progress forward. And I think
to have Shawn Elliott there. I've said this for a
long time. I would I would think that the Mount
rushmore of Spurs players would have five, would have five
(08:30):
faces on it. Well, but it would have five because
you can't leave any of these five off. It's Tim, Toni,
Manu and David and Ice, so you can't leave any
of those people off. But I think the person that
is the most relatable, the most available to the community,
the most seen in the community has always been Shawn.
(08:53):
When he got here, he loved the city immediately. He
never went back to Arizona to live permanently where he
could certainly done.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
After he retired. Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He speaks very highly of the community and the and
and then he does the TV stuff and he has
been somebody that that you can relate to. When he's
at games, he's he talks to the people behind him
in the stands and not just go shows up, does
the game and leaves.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
He's never said I don't think I'm sure he's had
to say no to people on autographs because of time
restraints or whatever. But he's never been uh, he's never
been one to turn that down or photo opportunities. He's
kind of the people's spur, the people's spur.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
He's one of us.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
And to have him be able to relate that to
the members of the council. And that's what I hope
those who voted know for this, uh for are that
wanted to pause, they understand what they're they're pausing for.
Go ahead and have your survey. If you want, go
ahead and do this. But when we get into October
and November, to have a unified city council that says
(09:54):
we all should vote yes, and and even the mayor
and the other three that voted no, say, listen, we
need to make sure the Spurs don't have any temptation
of going anywhere, and other cities don't start sending them
letters to poach them. We weren't necessarily like in the
way that's got done, But when you look at the
way it's going to be financed, it's not going to
hurt anyone. And I think all of them need to
get on board with the other seven and say we're
(10:16):
going to do this. And there are people out there
that are their constituents that are going to vote, however,
those four people tell them to vote. And if those
four people can realize this is what we have to do.
It's not what we should do or what we can do,
it's what we must do. And if that message will
(10:37):
come not only from the seven that said yes yesterday,
but the four who are skeptical about it, then I
think we'll have a positive vote come November. I don't
know that those four will do it, but it would
make better sense for them to take the high road,
and I also think it would extend their political careers
as well.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I really do hope, in my heart of hearts that
the people who go to know are just really scared
that we're looking at another Frost situation again, just because
of what was promised then and what's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I don't know that it was promised.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
It was discussed, but there was no mayor, there was
no judge, there was no city leader that said we
are going to redevelop the convention center space. I guarantee it.
It was up for discussion, but I don't know that
there they there's not any infrastructure there other than we
got Coca Cola bottling plant and you've got the Willow
(11:29):
Springs golf course and that's it. The rest of it
is all in a couple of bars, but there's all
the rest of and that they basically cater to the
golf course guys that want to go drink after the round.
But it's it's all industrial stuff. It's not like there's
anything there to build on. The redevelopment project would have
taken billions of dollars, maybe more than that, and a
(11:51):
lot of time. I never saw that area getting an
influx of money. Uh and and and we're downtown. You
already have all that infrastructure in place. If I were
if I were the spurs in not necessarily I would
say I would do exactly what they're doing. But one
(12:11):
of the if I were going to spend two billion
dollars on my own money on something, I'd put the
arena at iten in sixteen oh four because my season
ticket holders and my players all live with about ten
miles of there, and it would be convenient to get
in and out and out and in and all that.
But they're doing this for the community and making this
about the entire city, and also I think even making
(12:32):
it about the people that never attend games, but still
want to be able to say, this is their town
and they play in my city. And downtown is where
kind of people can congregate for everything major. It's where
the parades take place, it's where the celebrations take place,
it's where you celebrate the New Year's, all those kinds
of things. Just let's go downtown, Let's have a river parade,
(12:52):
let's go down and Hanker horns is when we win
a championship. So they're making it possible for everybody to
have a piece of it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And I know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Tickets are ridiculously expensive and that's never going to happen,
and concessions are worse as well. But you don't have
to go to a game to be a fan. But
I think you would much rather be a fan of
a team that's in your city than one that is
potentially not. All right, let's turn our attention to the
Trey Murphy news of the day and the fact that
the Pelicans are shopping him around and seeing who may
be interested in giving them some players for the future,
(13:22):
for somebody that can help their team right now.
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