August 22, 2025 • 10 mins
The Spurs are a potential suitor for a high-scoring wing that could be on the trade block.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Earlier today, it became known that Trey Murphy, the forward
wing guy for the New Orleans Pelicans, was going to
be on the shopping block and that the Pelicans are
looking for somebody that wants him to be to trade
for him. According to NBA sources. Who was it Shams
or was it other sources that sent that out? No,
(00:25):
it was Jake Fisher. Okay, So Jake Fisher among others,
was saying that there are several teams that would be
interested in him.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Indiana is one.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is they need somebody to replace Halliburton from probably all
of next year. Also Golden States in the mix, and
they said that San Antonio may want to have the
surfaces of Murphy.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I would love to have them on this team.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, and if you're going to get him, you're going
to have to give something up. So let's play coach,
general manager, and a rotational person as to what this
Spurs roster currently looks like and what it would look
like if Trey Murphy were.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
On the team.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's spend somebody else's money.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well, no, he spends else's money, but send somebody to
New Orleans that probably doesn't want to go there, right.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So Murphy makes twenty five million this year. Yes, so
if we look at the contract, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
A simple math. The math is pretty simple. You're going
to have to give up Jeremy Sohan and and Kelden Johnson.
And I think so In. I'm not what I've always
said about so In. I think he is a guy
that can kind of you can kind of plug in
anywhere pretty much one through four and if you want
to go really really small one through five. But he
(01:34):
doesn't do anything great. He does a lot of things
really good, and I think there's a market for a
player like that. And he can likely play in the
NBA for twenty years if he stays healthy. But I
just don't know if. And he's only making seven million
dollars as part of that rookie contract, so he's easily tradable.
I like what Keldon Johnson does for the Spurs, but
(01:54):
that's the decision that management's going to have to make,
is and it's basically you're basically giving Kelden Johnson. And
I think you have to throw in so In to
match the money. I know that I'm not one that
likes to, you know, talk about where people's fate is.
And if I want this to happen or not, if
this would be a good deal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But it's easy to do now.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Years ago, they didn't have the trade machine, and they
didn't have all the salaries posted everywhere and every contract
that is ever written by every team in the league.
The press release comes out and says terms were not disclosed,
and forty five seconds later, it's on every website in
the world what he was making. So tell me that
somebody didn't get disclosed terms and you know you're not
going to tell me in the press release. And I
(02:33):
don't know why you don't tell me in the press
release because everybody else is going to know pretty much immediately.
So I've said this from about the last thirty five
forty days. I think if if I got to be
coach the for the hour, my starting lineup would be Foxcastle,
the Sale, Olynic, and Wimby. And the reason I have
(02:54):
Olynic and the starting lineup is I don't think he's
going to play a lot of minutes, but I think
you need people that can kind of set the physicality
of the game early and then. And there are several
players that have been in this both they play the
first five or six minutes of each of the first
and third quarters, and then you plug them in where
you need them the rest of the game. Right they're
only giving you a twelve thirteen minutes max. But you
(03:17):
don't need that guy to get to your bench.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You can't start all five of your stars because you
need to have some rotations that work together when you
put guys out there. For the for lack of a
better word, the next four guys that I would bring
in the game are Harper, Murphy, Barnes, In Cornett.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So that's the core nine man.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, so Harper, Harper, Fox, Castle, Vissel, I'm not Murphy, Harper, Barnes,
and Cornette and Kelvin Johnson as at with the roster
of the way it is right now, that would that
would be my next four off the bench. kJ plays
the three. Maybe he also plays a little four at
times if you're going small, Harper can play can come
(03:55):
in for one of them, and you're rotating Harper, Fox,
Cassell and vassal or Castle, Castle and vassil at all
the guard positions, Cornett, Cornette, Wimby, olenic Kind they kind
of switch. I plug in Champagnee and Bryant, as I
need to. I think Bryant's got a learning curve still
to get to, but tremendous upside and so In in
the same boat, and that kind of gets you twelve
(04:17):
players that are you're gonna are your are your rotational players.
Most games you're only going to get in eleven, and
playoff games you may only get nine or ten in
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But that's kind of where I look at that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So if you if you give up so In in
kJ and you get Murphy, then Murphy becomes somebody that
you bring in probably as that sixth.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Man that can get you, get you.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'll use the old Vinnie Johnson line, that microwave offense
that's going to hit threes. If he averages seven threes
seven three point attempts a game and makes forty percent
of those, he's he's making three, four three or four
three is a game that's that's huge for one guy
at one position, and that gets you in that fifteen
to twenty range of made threes and that thirty five
(05:04):
to forty attempted threes a game. And that's where I think,
as much as I would like for the league to
not make that kind of the mandatory number that you
need to be able to score enough points to win games.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's just kind of what it is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I would hate to give up on Kelden Johnson, and
if there was a way not to give up Keldon Johnson,
I would, But then if you brought Murphy in and
had Keldon Johnson, now you have too many guys that
need more minutes than the game has in it. Sure,
there's two hundred and forty minutes in an NBA game.
When you break down, each position has forty eight minutes,
(05:38):
So you have to your your players are collectively in
the game going to play two hundred and forty minutes
of an NBA game.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So you're just you're running.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Out of spaces and it's you know, Oklahoma City did
it better last year than most teams do, but ten
eleven during the regular season and nine to ten during
the playoffs is about where you're rotations are gonna be.
Uh And you're asking what you would be asking a lot.
I mean, ke if you're gonna give up on Keldon Johnson,
(06:09):
then Trey Murphy better come in and play like a
one of the top five or six six men in
the league and and give me, give me fifteen a
night and three or four of those b threes and
get to the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Well, that's the thing about Trey Murphy and what we
kind of suck about losing Kelden Johnson is that Trey
Murphy is a much more consistent score on the outside.
Kelden is what you would call your energy guy. And
I think, and I think, and we've talked about this
off air that Kelden his best attribute for this team
is scoring off the bench. In terms of guys like
like like Harrison Barnes, another player that a lot of
(06:41):
people throw one of these trade machine. What is Harrison
Barnes is just a really good player on both ends
of the court, has a veteran experience, and has like
a very key role that he fits in too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But New Orleans has made it clear we want a
young player that we can develop, and we want draft picks.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
They got them, and and.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So the Spurs could give up a couple of first
rounders and they have the draft capital to still do that,
and they could also Kelden Johnson still relatively young. This
will be year six or seven I think for him
coming up twenty five. Yeah, Well, he came out early
from Kentucky. But his rookie year was eighteen or nineteen
eighteen eighteen, so this will be year eight, I guess
(07:19):
for him. But he's still relatively young and probably and
he's a very versatile player. He can do a lot
of things. Again, I would hate to give up on
Keldon Johnson. I think he does so many good things
for the team. But as that evaluation process goes, that
would be the only way that trade could happen that
I can see, unless they can get other teams involved
(07:40):
to match that twenty five million dollars salary for Trey Murphy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Ah turns twenty six this year in October.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So the biggest thing though, for that the Spurs have
to decide is is Trey Murphy's point production put most
likely off the bench a better situation for the team
than if they just stay with what they got, if.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They threw it out there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
What if Trey Murphy has actually come in and he's
actually your best option to start?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What if that moves the.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Cell to the bench.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
What if you're starting at that point with fox Castle
and Murphy and then and you got your two guys
at down below?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, yeah, I would be I would be fine with that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Mike only concern, And I don't know how how Devin
Vessel would react to not.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Being a starter. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I would guess that quote unquote being a spur and
the fact that in the past that Pop would always
say if Monogenobi can come off the bench, so can
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It takes when somebody has been a starter for most
of their career and you tell them that they're going
to be a six man. Some people take that as
an ego hit, and even if they don't publicly say
it's an ego hit, their game is affected because in
their mind and body there they feel.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like they've been demoted. Sure.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Uh, and so that would be my only concern. I mean,
I just think you've got to get Castle in the
starting lineup. He's just too good of a talent and
he's he's he's got a chance to be an actual,
a real second star on this team, not the dear.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think deer and Fox is the top five point
guard in the league.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And obviously we know what Wimby can do, and I
want some protection for Wimby with Olynic and Cornette.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But yeah, if if Murphy were to start and Visell
were to come off the bench, that would not buy.
I think Fox and Castle they'll have to be the
starting up, starting backcourt. Yeah, and Wimby obviously is going
to start. You could start Barnes and bring a linic
off the bench. But I want Barnes to play more
minute minutes than a link. But I don't necessarily think
he needs to start the game in order to play
(09:33):
those extra minutes.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
If the hypothetically, if because I know we run a
well on time, the Pelicans said we'll take we want
two players, and we also want two first in a
couple of seconds, like so they want like six things
can buy maybe two seconds as well.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Are you are you doing that trade? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I would.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I would try to give up as little as I
can because I may need that draft capital in the
future for something else.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But I would give up.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I give up those two players if they if I
made the evaluation that there's not enough minutes for the
two to get in the game, and I'm going to
trade those two players minutes for one player's minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That's another factor in this.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And from a draft pick standpoint, I'm giving you two
decent players that you can build your roster around for
a while. You're gonna re sign so in when he
becomes after his rookie contract, and kj's making seventeen million,
so it's a great contract.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'd probably say two.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I'd say maybe the twenty six or seven first round
or twenty. They're gonna want a first round of next year,
so say twenty six and twenty nine and a second
round pick in twenty eight and thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's kind of the way I would get to that,
all right. The NCAA has some concerns. Guess what it's about.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Gambling. We'll talk about it next. It's the Indie Everage
show on the ticket
Earlier today, it became known that Trey Murphy, the forward
wing guy for the New Orleans Pelicans, was going to
be on the shopping block and that the Pelicans are
looking for somebody that wants him to be to trade
for him. According to NBA sources. Who was it Shams
or was it other sources that sent that out? No,
(00:25):
it was Jake Fisher. Okay, So Jake Fisher among others,
was saying that there are several teams that would be
interested in him.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Indiana is one.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is they need somebody to replace Halliburton from probably all
of next year. Also Golden States in the mix, and
they said that San Antonio may want to have the
surfaces of Murphy.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I would love to have them on this team.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, and if you're going to get him, you're going
to have to give something up. So let's play coach,
general manager, and a rotational person as to what this
Spurs roster currently looks like and what it would look
like if Trey Murphy were.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
On the team.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's spend somebody else's money.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well, no, he spends else's money, but send somebody to
New Orleans that probably doesn't want to go there, right.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So Murphy makes twenty five million this year. Yes, so
if we look at the contract, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
A simple math. The math is pretty simple. You're going
to have to give up Jeremy Sohan and and Kelden Johnson.
And I think so In. I'm not what I've always
said about so In. I think he is a guy
that can kind of you can kind of plug in
anywhere pretty much one through four and if you want
to go really really small one through five. But he
(01:34):
doesn't do anything great. He does a lot of things
really good, and I think there's a market for a
player like that. And he can likely play in the
NBA for twenty years if he stays healthy. But I
just don't know if. And he's only making seven million
dollars as part of that rookie contract, so he's easily tradable.
I like what Keldon Johnson does for the Spurs, but
(01:54):
that's the decision that management's going to have to make,
is and it's basically you're basically giving Kelden Johnson. And
I think you have to throw in so In to
match the money. I know that I'm not one that
likes to, you know, talk about where people's fate is.
And if I want this to happen or not, if
this would be a good deal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
But it's easy to do now.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Years ago, they didn't have the trade machine, and they
didn't have all the salaries posted everywhere and every contract
that is ever written by every team in the league.
The press release comes out and says terms were not disclosed,
and forty five seconds later, it's on every website in
the world what he was making. So tell me that
somebody didn't get disclosed terms and you know you're not
going to tell me in the press release. And I
(02:33):
don't know why you don't tell me in the press
release because everybody else is going to know pretty much immediately.
So I've said this from about the last thirty five
forty days. I think if if I got to be
coach the for the hour, my starting lineup would be Foxcastle,
the Sale, Olynic, and Wimby. And the reason I have
(02:54):
Olynic and the starting lineup is I don't think he's
going to play a lot of minutes, but I think
you need people that can kind of set the physicality
of the game early and then. And there are several
players that have been in this both they play the
first five or six minutes of each of the first
and third quarters, and then you plug them in where
you need them the rest of the game. Right they're
only giving you a twelve thirteen minutes max. But you
(03:17):
don't need that guy to get to your bench.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You can't start all five of your stars because you
need to have some rotations that work together when you
put guys out there. For the for lack of a
better word, the next four guys that I would bring
in the game are Harper, Murphy, Barnes, In Cornett.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
So that's the core nine man.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, so Harper, Harper, Fox, Castle, Vissel, I'm not Murphy, Harper, Barnes,
and Cornette and Kelvin Johnson as at with the roster
of the way it is right now, that would that
would be my next four off the bench. kJ plays
the three. Maybe he also plays a little four at
times if you're going small, Harper can play can come
(03:55):
in for one of them, and you're rotating Harper, Fox,
Cassell and vassal or Castle, Castle and vassil at all
the guard positions, Cornett, Cornette, Wimby, olenic Kind they kind
of switch. I plug in Champagnee and Bryant, as I
need to. I think Bryant's got a learning curve still
to get to, but tremendous upside and so In in
the same boat, and that kind of gets you twelve
(04:17):
players that are you're gonna are your are your rotational players.
Most games you're only going to get in eleven, and
playoff games you may only get nine or ten in
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But that's kind of where I look at that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So if you if you give up so In in
kJ and you get Murphy, then Murphy becomes somebody that
you bring in probably as that sixth.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Man that can get you, get you.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'll use the old Vinnie Johnson line, that microwave offense
that's going to hit threes. If he averages seven threes
seven three point attempts a game and makes forty percent
of those, he's he's making three, four three or four
three is a game that's that's huge for one guy
at one position, and that gets you in that fifteen
to twenty range of made threes and that thirty five
(05:04):
to forty attempted threes a game. And that's where I think,
as much as I would like for the league to
not make that kind of the mandatory number that you
need to be able to score enough points to win games.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's just kind of what it is.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I would hate to give up on Kelden Johnson, and
if there was a way not to give up Keldon Johnson,
I would, But then if you brought Murphy in and
had Keldon Johnson, now you have too many guys that
need more minutes than the game has in it. Sure,
there's two hundred and forty minutes in an NBA game.
When you break down, each position has forty eight minutes,
(05:38):
So you have to your your players are collectively in
the game going to play two hundred and forty minutes
of an NBA game.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So you're just you're running.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Out of spaces and it's you know, Oklahoma City did
it better last year than most teams do, but ten
eleven during the regular season and nine to ten during
the playoffs is about where you're rotations are gonna be.
Uh And you're asking what you would be asking a lot.
I mean, ke if you're gonna give up on Keldon Johnson,
(06:09):
then Trey Murphy better come in and play like a
one of the top five or six six men in
the league and and give me, give me fifteen a
night and three or four of those b threes and
get to the free throw line.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Well, that's the thing about Trey Murphy and what we
kind of suck about losing Kelden Johnson is that Trey
Murphy is a much more consistent score on the outside.
Kelden is what you would call your energy guy. And
I think, and I think, and we've talked about this
off air that Kelden his best attribute for this team
is scoring off the bench. In terms of guys like
like like Harrison Barnes, another player that a lot of
(06:41):
people throw one of these trade machine. What is Harrison
Barnes is just a really good player on both ends
of the court, has a veteran experience, and has like
a very key role that he fits in too.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But New Orleans has made it clear we want a
young player that we can develop, and we want draft picks.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
They got them, and and.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So the Spurs could give up a couple of first
rounders and they have the draft capital to still do that,
and they could also Kelden Johnson still relatively young. This
will be year six or seven I think for him
coming up twenty five. Yeah, Well, he came out early
from Kentucky. But his rookie year was eighteen or nineteen
eighteen eighteen, so this will be year eight, I guess
(07:19):
for him. But he's still relatively young and probably and
he's a very versatile player. He can do a lot
of things. Again, I would hate to give up on
Keldon Johnson. I think he does so many good things
for the team. But as that evaluation process goes, that
would be the only way that trade could happen that
I can see, unless they can get other teams involved
(07:40):
to match that twenty five million dollars salary for Trey Murphy.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Ah turns twenty six this year in October.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So the biggest thing though, for that the Spurs have
to decide is is Trey Murphy's point production put most
likely off the bench a better situation for the team
than if they just stay with what they got, if.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They threw it out there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
What if Trey Murphy has actually come in and he's
actually your best option to start?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What if that moves the.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Cell to the bench.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
What if you're starting at that point with fox Castle
and Murphy and then and you got your two guys
at down below?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, yeah, I would be I would be fine with that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Mike only concern, And I don't know how how Devin
Vessel would react to not.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Being a starter. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I would guess that quote unquote being a spur and
the fact that in the past that Pop would always
say if Monogenobi can come off the bench, so can
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It takes when somebody has been a starter for most
of their career and you tell them that they're going
to be a six man. Some people take that as
an ego hit, and even if they don't publicly say
it's an ego hit, their game is affected because in
their mind and body there they feel.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like they've been demoted. Sure.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Uh, and so that would be my only concern. I mean,
I just think you've got to get Castle in the
starting lineup. He's just too good of a talent and
he's he's he's got a chance to be an actual,
a real second star on this team, not the dear.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think deer and Fox is the top five point
guard in the league.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And obviously we know what Wimby can do, and I
want some protection for Wimby with Olynic and Cornette.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But yeah, if if Murphy were to start and Visell
were to come off the bench, that would not buy.
I think Fox and Castle they'll have to be the
starting up, starting backcourt. Yeah, and Wimby obviously is going
to start. You could start Barnes and bring a linic
off the bench. But I want Barnes to play more
minute minutes than a link. But I don't necessarily think
he needs to start the game in order to play
(09:33):
those extra minutes.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
If the hypothetically, if because I know we run a
well on time, the Pelicans said we'll take we want
two players, and we also want two first in a
couple of seconds, like so they want like six things
can buy maybe two seconds as well.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Are you are you doing that trade? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I would.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I would try to give up as little as I
can because I may need that draft capital in the
future for something else.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But I would give up.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I give up those two players if they if I
made the evaluation that there's not enough minutes for the
two to get in the game, and I'm going to
trade those two players minutes for one player's minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That's another factor in this.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And from a draft pick standpoint, I'm giving you two
decent players that you can build your roster around for
a while. You're gonna re sign so in when he
becomes after his rookie contract, and kj's making seventeen million,
so it's a great contract.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I'd probably say two.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I'd say maybe the twenty six or seven first round
or twenty. They're gonna want a first round of next year,
so say twenty six and twenty nine and a second
round pick in twenty eight and thirty.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's kind of the way I would get to that,
all right. The NCAA has some concerns. Guess what it's about.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Gambling. We'll talk about it next. It's the Indie Everage
show on the ticket
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