June 16, 2025 • 10 mins
As J.J. Spaun overcomes the leaderboard, bigger names fall well short.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We got a got big golf tournament yesterday. Every major
championship has a different storyline, and I think they're all great.
I love the Masters obviously, and cross your fingers that
I get my Master's.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Tickets come July.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We'll find out here in about three or four weeks
if I won that lottery or not. But seeing that
I've never been, and again, I'm not paying the uh,
the aftermarket price for anything, whether it's baseball, football, basketball,
the Masters or anything else. If if I can't get
them at face value, then we're not going or less
or free. Uh That's what That's how I'm gonna how
(00:42):
I roll. I'm I always say I have an unlimited
golf budget and I often exceed it. That's not factored
into the golf budget. So it's more about me playing
than it is about me witnessing it.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, get you don't get to play Augusta. At least
the money that you spent you got to play. Yeah,
I got Old Court.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I got to play all the courses I signed up
for in Scotland. That was they were all expended there
that there's some that are inexpensive, but most are expensive.
If you want to play the ones that have a
name to it. But the US Opened, and I'll get
into some of these details a little bit more in
the six o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It makes par important.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You're not going to just make a birdie on every
hole like you can on the PGA Tour or very seldom,
or you're gonna run off six or seven birdies in
a row. Obviously, what Tiger did in two thousand at
the US Open, where he won by fifteen's another story.
He was playing in another planet and everybody else was
playing the golf tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Basically, he won by fifteen strokes on that same course.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, not that one, No, No, he won by fifteen
at Pebble Beach. Okay, he shot twelve under and Ernie
Ielle shot plus three, And hey, I'm sure he got
drug tested after that one. God, well, I'm sure he
got drug tested a lot more than we know he did.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You were very close though, on your projection of the
winning score would be.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Plus two, and it was minus one, so I was
within three.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Close and so but anyway, this question was asked today.
I was listening and last night on one of the
recap shows, the US Open always says, we're not trying
to embarrass the golfers. We're trying to identify which one
is best. And for this particular event, JJ spawn was
(02:18):
the best and played the best, especially in the last
four or five holes, and hit the shots you needed
to and made the putts he needed to make. I'm
not sure that any the US Open ever identifies the
best golfer, because I think it while we say they
want all the clubs to be used in your bag
and they want you to have some imagination when you
(02:41):
hit shots and kind of plodded away and think your
way through the golf course. When you have a golf course,
it's that penal for missing by a foot. I just
don't know how sometimes luck doesn't get involved in the
US Open, because you could you could literally have there
was literally this yesterday. People could be two inches apart,
three inches apart in one be in a buried lie
(03:01):
from the grass and the other one be kind of
teed up basically because of somebody took a step there
a few minutes before. So yeah, accuracy is kind of
an important but you're also when you grow rough, that
thick and that deep, you're bringing in luck a lot
more than you are your skill set. I was really
pulling for Adam Scott to win nothing against JJ. Once
(03:22):
Adam Scott was out of it, I was fine with
JJ doing that. But Adam Scott shot seventy nine yesterday
and I think you shot forty four on the back
or something like that. I think he was one over
or maybe two on the front and five to seven over,
five to six over.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
On the back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Adam Scott has never been, by PGA Tour standards or
professional golf standards, a great putter. He's been a very
subpar putter. He is one of the best ball strikers
of all time. But anytime that you are so inefficient putting,
I think you put more pressure on trying to make
(03:59):
sure you hit perfect shots so that you have easier putts.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And while some.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
People that putt it really well, can you know two
putt from thirty feet all day long, Adam Scott's gonna
have some three putts from that distance and he's going
to miss a lot of six footers. He That's just
has always been his game. If you go back to
twenty twelve, and I know you weren't paying attention to this,
but I was in twenty twelve, he had a chance
to win the Brittish Open, the Open Championship, and was
(04:25):
four over in the last four holes, all because he
missed short putts. And he's gone from the short putter
to the long putter to you can you can anchor
it now you can't. But Adam Scott just had a
terrible Sunday and a lot of that was weather inflicted,
but a lot of it was putting as well. And
so I thought we had a great US Open. And
now jj spawn is ranked eighth in the world, and
(04:47):
he's ranked third in Ryder Cup points and he's all
but a surefire lock to be on the Ryder Cup
team in September.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, got seven hundred and fifty fed X points, whatever
the hell that means.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That means he's he's moved the FedEx Cup race as well.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah. Sure, you all got like forty different we.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Got world ranking, we got Ryder Cup, we got FedEx Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You got those on the only.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Three, all these different points and everything. But uh, you know,
I I.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Don't mind when golfers struggle like this once once or
twice a year.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, but the golfers, if the golfers had to do
this every week.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They they would have a conniption fit every every week.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You could kind of and stay with me on this.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You could kind of compare it a little bit to
how NASCAR is for the most part, everybody's well, they're
just they're just turning left. There's more skill to it
than that. There's more skill to it than that they're
just turning left. But then they started adding in road
courses where it's like, now they have to turn right
and left and right and left, so I.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Could can't even turn that direction exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's like, you know, does the wheel actually turn more
than five degrees to the right. But I like this because,
like you mentioned, there's such a you know, let's take
Scotty and Tiger out of it, out of this picture,
but the skill level between Rory and maybe the tenth
twentieth best golfer is minuscule.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Is miniscule?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, Well, the difference between Rory and the one
hundred and twentieth golfer in the world isn't that far
apart either or Scotty. Now that Scotty and Rory are
more consistent and win more, but on any given day,
the two hundred player in the world can be exactly.
You know, it's not like you know, Duke is playing,
you know, Robert Morris in a basketball game or something.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, so I like that at least with this particular
course with Oakmont.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Hey, we're gonna make it challenging.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
We're gonna make it to where if you miss by
an inch, you're paying for it. We want you to
be we want we want to see who's going to
be the best of the best that particular weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And for this particular weekend it was JJ Spoile.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. The US Open wants you to play the hardest
golf course they can find, in the hardest conditions that
they can find.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then if the weather does what it does.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And listen, golfers would much rather play in the rain
that they had yesterday than in thirty mine hour wins.
You can control the golf ball a little bit in
the rain. Now, I thought Sam Burns got a terrible ruling.
I don't know, they had two officials walked over there
and said, no, you don't get relief from the casual
water in the fairway. And it was and I don't
think that lost him the golf tournament. But as soon
as he hit it just a little bit off. The
(07:22):
wet fairway made the ball go much further left than
it should have. But the USGA is always going to
try to identify the best golfer or the most challenging
in the most challenging of conditions. But I think there's
a life lesson in sports and certainly in golf, and
the life lessons that JJ spawn had yesterday and that
I think anybody can take to heart is that you
(07:45):
never quit, you never give up. He was five over
after the first six holes. He went from three under
to two over maybe the two under to three over
in the first five to six holes, and then he
got a break, He got a time out with an
hour and a half rain delay, and then he was
able to regroup himself, change his clothes, get a better attitude,
(08:08):
and then go out there and shoot three under on
the back.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Well, look at a couple of weeks ago, Uh, Jonathan,
was it?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Jonathan Vegas? Right?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean before Scotty decided to turn on the
Scotty switch and let everybody you know understand he re established.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, I'm Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Now Jonathan Vegas having the first great three rounds that
he is and then Scotty decides, all right, I'm gonna
I'm gonna take over.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But that that's why I think at.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Least with golf, you get some of these the you
get more of these immaculate remember historical type moments of
a guy that again I had no clue who he was.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It comes out of nowhere and now, now, whins do you?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think the lesson here though, is is And I
saw a lot of this on social media over the weekend.
Why can't we do this every week on the tour?
Why can't every golf course just be you know, grinding,
grind it out hard. First of all, the players wouldn't play.
They all jump to live or they all jump to
some other tour where nobody wants to play the hardest
golf course in the world forty weeks a year or
thirty weeks a year. They like the fact that they
(09:11):
can hit the ball left or right and still find
it and still advance it towards the green. And this
is something I'm going to talk about more in the
six o'clock hour. When it comes to how far the
ball goes, every sport on the planet is trying to
figure out how to get more offense to get more scoring,
because that's what makes people turn on the TV and
watch and so and here golf is trying to dial
(09:33):
it back so that that par becomes more relative. I'm
fine with that happening in the US Open. I'm fine
with that happening in the Open Championship when the when
and the weather dictate it. I'm not fine with it
being the rank and file on the PGA Tour Listen
TPC San Antonio is the hardest golf course as you're
going to find in five hundred miles of San Antonio.
If you play it all the way back, or even
(09:54):
if you play it up a little bit, that doesn't
mean that it's hard for them because they're really good.
And I think if a really good player can't shoot,
you know, tend to fifteen to twenty under par on
your golf course over four days, your golf course is
too hard. And the media today is playing Oakmont. Would
that covered the tournament? Those that I don't know how
they chose who got to go. But anybody that's a
(10:16):
ten handicap or more has zero chance of breaking one
hundred and so that's how hard the golf course is.
And a ten handicap is normally going to shoot in
the low eighties. All right, let's talk about Game five
of the finals tonight. Oklahoma City and Indianapolis. Are Indiana
or all tied at two games apiece? That's coming up next.
It's the Andy Everage Show.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
On the ticket.
We got a got big golf tournament yesterday. Every major
championship has a different storyline, and I think they're all great.
I love the Masters obviously, and cross your fingers that
I get my Master's.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Tickets come July.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
We'll find out here in about three or four weeks
if I won that lottery or not. But seeing that
I've never been, and again, I'm not paying the uh,
the aftermarket price for anything, whether it's baseball, football, basketball,
the Masters or anything else. If if I can't get
them at face value, then we're not going or less
or free. Uh That's what That's how I'm gonna how
(00:42):
I roll. I'm I always say I have an unlimited
golf budget and I often exceed it. That's not factored
into the golf budget. So it's more about me playing
than it is about me witnessing it.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, get you don't get to play Augusta. At least
the money that you spent you got to play. Yeah,
I got Old Court.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I got to play all the courses I signed up
for in Scotland. That was they were all expended there
that there's some that are inexpensive, but most are expensive.
If you want to play the ones that have a
name to it. But the US Opened, and I'll get
into some of these details a little bit more in
the six o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It makes par important.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You're not going to just make a birdie on every
hole like you can on the PGA Tour or very seldom,
or you're gonna run off six or seven birdies in
a row. Obviously, what Tiger did in two thousand at
the US Open, where he won by fifteen's another story.
He was playing in another planet and everybody else was
playing the golf tournament.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Basically, he won by fifteen strokes on that same course.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, not that one, No, No, he won by fifteen
at Pebble Beach. Okay, he shot twelve under and Ernie
Ielle shot plus three, And hey, I'm sure he got
drug tested after that one. God, well, I'm sure he
got drug tested a lot more than we know he did.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Back in the day.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You were very close though, on your projection of the
winning score would be.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Plus two, and it was minus one, so I was
within three.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Close and so but anyway, this question was asked today.
I was listening and last night on one of the
recap shows, the US Open always says, we're not trying
to embarrass the golfers. We're trying to identify which one
is best. And for this particular event, JJ spawn was
(02:18):
the best and played the best, especially in the last
four or five holes, and hit the shots you needed
to and made the putts he needed to make. I'm
not sure that any the US Open ever identifies the
best golfer, because I think it while we say they
want all the clubs to be used in your bag
and they want you to have some imagination when you
(02:41):
hit shots and kind of plodded away and think your
way through the golf course. When you have a golf course,
it's that penal for missing by a foot. I just
don't know how sometimes luck doesn't get involved in the
US Open, because you could you could literally have there
was literally this yesterday. People could be two inches apart,
three inches apart in one be in a buried lie
(03:01):
from the grass and the other one be kind of
teed up basically because of somebody took a step there
a few minutes before. So yeah, accuracy is kind of
an important but you're also when you grow rough, that
thick and that deep, you're bringing in luck a lot
more than you are your skill set. I was really
pulling for Adam Scott to win nothing against JJ. Once
(03:22):
Adam Scott was out of it, I was fine with
JJ doing that. But Adam Scott shot seventy nine yesterday
and I think you shot forty four on the back
or something like that. I think he was one over
or maybe two on the front and five to seven over,
five to six over.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
On the back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Adam Scott has never been, by PGA Tour standards or
professional golf standards, a great putter. He's been a very
subpar putter. He is one of the best ball strikers
of all time. But anytime that you are so inefficient putting,
I think you put more pressure on trying to make
(03:59):
sure you hit perfect shots so that you have easier putts.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And while some.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
People that putt it really well, can you know two
putt from thirty feet all day long, Adam Scott's gonna
have some three putts from that distance and he's going
to miss a lot of six footers. He That's just
has always been his game. If you go back to
twenty twelve, and I know you weren't paying attention to this,
but I was in twenty twelve, he had a chance
to win the Brittish Open, the Open Championship, and was
(04:25):
four over in the last four holes, all because he
missed short putts. And he's gone from the short putter
to the long putter to you can you can anchor
it now you can't. But Adam Scott just had a
terrible Sunday and a lot of that was weather inflicted,
but a lot of it was putting as well. And
so I thought we had a great US Open. And
now jj spawn is ranked eighth in the world, and
(04:47):
he's ranked third in Ryder Cup points and he's all
but a surefire lock to be on the Ryder Cup
team in September.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, got seven hundred and fifty fed X points, whatever
the hell that means.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That means he's he's moved the FedEx Cup race as well.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah. Sure, you all got like forty different we.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Got world ranking, we got Ryder Cup, we got FedEx Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You got those on the only.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Three, all these different points and everything. But uh, you know,
I I.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Don't mind when golfers struggle like this once once or
twice a year.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, but the golfers, if the golfers had to do
this every week.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
They they would have a conniption fit every every week.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You could kind of and stay with me on this.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You could kind of compare it a little bit to
how NASCAR is for the most part, everybody's well, they're
just they're just turning left. There's more skill to it
than that. There's more skill to it than that they're
just turning left. But then they started adding in road
courses where it's like, now they have to turn right
and left and right and left, so I.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Could can't even turn that direction exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's like, you know, does the wheel actually turn more
than five degrees to the right. But I like this because,
like you mentioned, there's such a you know, let's take
Scotty and Tiger out of it, out of this picture,
but the skill level between Rory and maybe the tenth
twentieth best golfer is minuscule.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Is miniscule?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Oh yeah, Well, the difference between Rory and the one
hundred and twentieth golfer in the world isn't that far
apart either or Scotty. Now that Scotty and Rory are
more consistent and win more, but on any given day,
the two hundred player in the world can be exactly.
You know, it's not like you know, Duke is playing,
you know, Robert Morris in a basketball game or something.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, so I like that at least with this particular
course with Oakmont.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Hey, we're gonna make it challenging.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
We're gonna make it to where if you miss by
an inch, you're paying for it. We want you to
be we want we want to see who's going to
be the best of the best that particular weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And for this particular weekend it was JJ Spoile.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah. The US Open wants you to play the hardest
golf course they can find, in the hardest conditions that
they can find.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then if the weather does what it does.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And listen, golfers would much rather play in the rain
that they had yesterday than in thirty mine hour wins.
You can control the golf ball a little bit in
the rain. Now, I thought Sam Burns got a terrible ruling.
I don't know, they had two officials walked over there
and said, no, you don't get relief from the casual
water in the fairway. And it was and I don't
think that lost him the golf tournament. But as soon
as he hit it just a little bit off. The
(07:22):
wet fairway made the ball go much further left than
it should have. But the USGA is always going to
try to identify the best golfer or the most challenging
in the most challenging of conditions. But I think there's
a life lesson in sports and certainly in golf, and
the life lessons that JJ spawn had yesterday and that
I think anybody can take to heart is that you
(07:45):
never quit, you never give up. He was five over
after the first six holes. He went from three under
to two over maybe the two under to three over
in the first five to six holes, and then he
got a break, He got a time out with an
hour and a half rain delay, and then he was
able to regroup himself, change his clothes, get a better attitude,
(08:08):
and then go out there and shoot three under on
the back.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Well, look at a couple of weeks ago, Uh, Jonathan,
was it?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Jonathan Vegas? Right?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, I mean before Scotty decided to turn on the
Scotty switch and let everybody you know understand he re established.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, I'm Scotti Scheffler.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Now Jonathan Vegas having the first great three rounds that
he is and then Scotty decides, all right, I'm gonna
I'm gonna take over.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But that that's why I think at.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Least with golf, you get some of these the you
get more of these immaculate remember historical type moments of
a guy that again I had no clue who he was.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It comes out of nowhere and now, now, whins do you?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I think the lesson here though, is is And I
saw a lot of this on social media over the weekend.
Why can't we do this every week on the tour?
Why can't every golf course just be you know, grinding,
grind it out hard. First of all, the players wouldn't play.
They all jump to live or they all jump to
some other tour where nobody wants to play the hardest
golf course in the world forty weeks a year or
thirty weeks a year. They like the fact that they
(09:11):
can hit the ball left or right and still find
it and still advance it towards the green. And this
is something I'm going to talk about more in the
six o'clock hour. When it comes to how far the
ball goes, every sport on the planet is trying to
figure out how to get more offense to get more scoring,
because that's what makes people turn on the TV and
watch and so and here golf is trying to dial
(09:33):
it back so that that par becomes more relative. I'm
fine with that happening in the US Open. I'm fine
with that happening in the Open Championship when the when
and the weather dictate it. I'm not fine with it
being the rank and file on the PGA Tour Listen
TPC San Antonio is the hardest golf course as you're
going to find in five hundred miles of San Antonio.
If you play it all the way back, or even
(09:54):
if you play it up a little bit, that doesn't
mean that it's hard for them because they're really good.
And I think if a really good player can't shoot,
you know, tend to fifteen to twenty under par on
your golf course over four days, your golf course is
too hard. And the media today is playing Oakmont. Would
that covered the tournament? Those that I don't know how
they chose who got to go. But anybody that's a
(10:16):
ten handicap or more has zero chance of breaking one
hundred and so that's how hard the golf course is.
And a ten handicap is normally going to shoot in
the low eighties. All right, let's talk about Game five
of the finals tonight. Oklahoma City and Indianapolis. Are Indiana
or all tied at two games apiece? That's coming up next.
It's the Andy Everage Show.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
On the ticket.
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