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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What is going to happen with Giannis Atennakupa when the
season ends? And there was a report last week that
he only wants to go to New York or Miami
or LA and play for one of those five teams. Okay,
that's great, but how about Boston. How about if Boston
(00:32):
gets its roster and wants to go after Giannis.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And the reason I say that is.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Because there's a lot of people that think that the
Knicks are just a player away from being a championship
type team?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If they beat Boston and they beat Indiana and they're
in the finals. Now, I don't think they're going to
be Oklahoma City, But if they were, what more do
the Knicks need? The Knicks and all of a sudden
found something in a bottle and they're ready.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To to move move on.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And Jalen Brunson's a really good point guard, and Heart
and Bridges are solid players, are not spectacular, but.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They don't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Karl Anthony Towns is a good offensive player, doesn't work
a whole lot on defense, but uh. And Tom Thibodau
doesn't play a lot of guys. But this is still uh,
this is kind of a surprise, and the series isn't
over yet, but they win one more game and it's
pretty it's going to be pretty close to being over,
especially if they win at least at least one in
in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, so, well, what do you think you want Jannis
to go to the Knicks of the Celtics. I don't
want them to go to either.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I actually just wanted to stay where he's at in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well that's not gonna happen. I just can't see that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I can I can't because you know, a lot of
the foreign players, for the most part, are a very
loyal to their organization.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think organizationally they need to tell Joannis we can't.
We have to move you because we need your money
off the payroll, especially with the fact that Dame Lillard's
going to be on the payroll with dead money at
fifty four million dollars or whatever he's going to make
next year, and Johannis is going to be in that
ballpark too if he stays. You can't have two players,
one of which doesn't play. That takes up two thirds
(02:16):
of your salary cap. And the only way that Milwaukee
can resurrect its team is to start over. And the
only way you can start over is to get three
players that have expiring contracts or are young enough that
they're not going to demand max money anytime soon, and
then build with the rest with free agents and draft picks.
And you've got to trade Jonnis. That's the one thing
(02:38):
that Colin and all these people forget. Now you can
add two and three and four teams in there to
make the deal. But the biggest thing that we got
to talk about is if I'm Milwaukee, I want three
players and at least three draft picks. I need to
get six players out of this in the next few years.
And if I can get players that are young with
cheap contracts, then I can make it. And you know,
(03:00):
stay and you can still be a playoff team in
the East.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean you can.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You can finish five hundred and be the fifth seed
in these without much much difficulty. So I think that's
the way I go. If I have to sit down
with Jannis and say we got to move you, and
I would move Dame if I could, but he's got
an achilles injury and nobody's gonna take him until they
know what his status is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I wonder if I mean, they're obviously not going
to push Damian Lillard to try to get back anytime soon.
I'm assuming the Bucks will probably file an insurance policy
or something to get a little bit of money recouped
from Dame.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, but it's not about it's about your salary cap.
Even if the insurance pays for it, it still counts against
your cap and what you can do in free agency
and what you can do with your with your roster acquisitions.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, the I mean, the kind of good thing is
because like you've said, they can they can resign all
of their free agents to go over the salary cap.
So if they wanted to, they can sign brook Lopez
again because he's next year, well, this year he will
be an unrestricted free agent. I don't think that brook
Lopez is going to try to ask the organization anywhere
(04:10):
close to what he was making this year, which was
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Maybe he takes a half a pay cut.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They have team options or player options with Bobby Portis
next year, Pat Conaton, Kevin Porter Junior, even though I
don't think that dude.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Should still be in the league again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
If the organization had not made changes for Jannis in
the past two or three years.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think there.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Would be more writing on the wall of Jiannis would
probably ask out. But this organization and the GM cannot
sit there and look Jannis in the eye and Yannis
tell them you haven't done enough.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We fired our head.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Coach because you didn't want the head coach anymore. We
fired our second head coach because you didn't like Adrian Griffin,
even though we were second in the East. We've traded
for Damian Lillard, we cave away Drew Holliday, we traded
Chris Middleton.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We have done that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Organization has done everything they can that Jannie has asked,
and maybe he said, you know what, it just hasn't
worked out the past couple of years with injuries. I'm
gonna be loyal to y'all. Y'all have been loyal to me.
We'll run it back and we'll try to figure something
out from there. That's how I look at it as
I still think there is a chance that Jannis still
(05:25):
ends up a buck.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think if he stays about the team has Jannis
and Dame and a bunch of players, that the rest
of the roster is awful.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
There's there's Bobby Portis I can, I can.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Talk tolerate man, he's okay, but Brook Lopez is older,
older than Dirt and there just you just look at
the roster makeup, and that's not going to be a
competitive team. Now again, they can win forty one games
and be the fifth or succeed, but if they're actually
trying to get better, they're not gonna to me there,
it's going to be easier to do without Yannis than
(05:59):
it is with him, if you can get the right
draft pick.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What if let me just throw out this random hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Let's say, for whatever reason, Damian Lillard, it comes out, Hey, Dame,
you're not gonna be able to play anymore, and somehow
they're able to get that money off the books because
he's going to medically retire.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Do you think at that point that winds up up?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
If I could get the fifty two million dollars, if
I could get the fifty two or three million dollars
or sixty two million dollars, that Dame's gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Make fifty four next year, fifty eight the following Ye, yeah,
Dame's not going anywhere till he gets that money.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That money's going in Dame's bank account. One way or
the other. If he has to say I'm not medically retiring,
I'll sit on the bench and just collect the check.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He's going to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
He's not giving up that cash, so I don't think
that's ever coming off their books. And Dame's not going
to take a buyout for the good of the team.
He has zero loyalty to Milwaukee. He's only been there
for a cup of coffee. His career was spent in Portland,
and he's going to get that one hundred and twelve
million bucks or whatever it is in the next two years.
So you are stuck with that contract and a pretty
(07:03):
good chance that he's not going to play it all
next year, and certainly not before the All Star break,
so to me or you can't move off. I think
it's unrealistic to think that the Dame contract can be
can be moved, but the honest contract can be. And
what we're what everybody seemingly forgets, is that not only
do you have to match the money, but I need players,
(07:24):
I need draft picks, and the and the Knicks don't
have any because they gave him all the to New
Jersey or Brooklyn, and I haven't looked to see what
Boston's stats are for draft picks. But if I can't
get at least three and maybe four picks out of this,
you're not getting honest. And that's going to be the
hardest part here in the offseason to see where he goes.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean Giannis in the next three years, because he's
still under contract for three years and that third year
is a team option. He's on the hook for basically
one hundred and sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Next, I'd let that be somebody else's problem, and I
think Janni would then look at it and go, yeah,
I can, we can, I can.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I can win if that, I can win it wherever
I go.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's why I think Houston, San Antonio and Oklahoma
City are the logical places for that because they have picks,
they have young players, and they have draft capital, and
it's another small market team with Houston's not But but.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Of the Pelicans, there you go.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I'm honest, Janni's for Zion and some picks. The most
interesting thing that came out about this today, Mark Stein,
NBA insider, said the Bucks organization is not trading the
honest and I see requests a trade. So there's going
to be a bit of a stalemate this summer to
figure out that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The bus organization is milty. Well it's loyalty, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Until Jannis comes out and says this organization, we're stocked.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But here's the problem with that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
If Yannis requests a trade, then the value of what
you can get for Giannis is less because you know
you have to trade him or he's he's gonna if.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
He demands a trade. So maybe you get one draft
pick less. That's still yo, honis I don't get You
can say, yeah, it devalues the trade. Okay, so instead
of getting four first round or five first round draft picks,
I'm only getting four.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm still getting the freak. I'm still getting the Greek freaks.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So what if I don't get that coveted twenty thirty
one draft pick.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I understand loyalty and I and I'm I'm very much
proudful of those who are loyal, and I try to
be as loyal as I can be in every situation.
But you have to if you're owning the Milwaukee Bucks.
What if the Milwaukee Bucks keep you honest, keep dame,
don't fit make a lot of roster moves and we
and they show up at the same time next year
(09:37):
and lose in the first round. Again, the fans and
the sponsors and the supporters and the ownership group is
going to go, well, our GM's not very good, our
coaches are very good, and the roster's.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Not very good.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And that's this therein. If they don't change anything, they're
gonna get the same thing. You talk about the definition
of insanity not changing this roster, it would definitely be that.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But again, the past few years would have snake bitten.
The Milwaukee Bucks has been injuries in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
On on any.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Good night healthy Damiel Lillard and Giannis Antetokounmpo are, if
not one of the best two, they're a top five
one to two combat that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But Giannis is gonna be without Dame for probably fifty
games if not more.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Next year. I agree, I agree, all.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, how much would you pay to go to a game? Well,
we'll tell you what. The Knicks and Celtics are gonna
make you pay if you want to go. And we
had a baseball firing today and I'm gonna get on
my soapbox about that again, because this is not the
manager's fault.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's five forty five on the ticket.
What is going to happen with Giannis Atennakupa when the
season ends? And there was a report last week that
he only wants to go to New York or Miami
or LA and play for one of those five teams. Okay,
that's great, but how about Boston. How about if Boston
(00:32):
gets its roster and wants to go after Giannis.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And the reason I say that is.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Because there's a lot of people that think that the
Knicks are just a player away from being a championship
type team?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Are they?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If they beat Boston and they beat Indiana and they're
in the finals. Now, I don't think they're going to
be Oklahoma City, But if they were, what more do
the Knicks need? The Knicks and all of a sudden
found something in a bottle and they're ready.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To to move move on.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And Jalen Brunson's a really good point guard, and Heart
and Bridges are solid players, are not spectacular, but.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
They don't make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Karl Anthony Towns is a good offensive player, doesn't work
a whole lot on defense, but uh. And Tom Thibodau
doesn't play a lot of guys. But this is still uh,
this is kind of a surprise, and the series isn't
over yet, but they win one more game and it's
pretty it's going to be pretty close to being over,
especially if they win at least at least one in
in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, so, well, what do you think you want Jannis
to go to the Knicks of the Celtics. I don't
want them to go to either.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I actually just wanted to stay where he's at in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well that's not gonna happen. I just can't see that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I can I can't because you know, a lot of
the foreign players, for the most part, are a very
loyal to their organization.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I think organizationally they need to tell Joannis we can't.
We have to move you because we need your money
off the payroll, especially with the fact that Dame Lillard's
going to be on the payroll with dead money at
fifty four million dollars or whatever he's going to make
next year, and Johannis is going to be in that
ballpark too if he stays. You can't have two players,
one of which doesn't play. That takes up two thirds
(02:16):
of your salary cap. And the only way that Milwaukee
can resurrect its team is to start over. And the
only way you can start over is to get three
players that have expiring contracts or are young enough that
they're not going to demand max money anytime soon, and
then build with the rest with free agents and draft picks.
And you've got to trade Jonnis. That's the one thing
(02:38):
that Colin and all these people forget. Now you can
add two and three and four teams in there to
make the deal. But the biggest thing that we got
to talk about is if I'm Milwaukee, I want three
players and at least three draft picks. I need to
get six players out of this in the next few years.
And if I can get players that are young with
cheap contracts, then I can make it. And you know,
(03:00):
stay and you can still be a playoff team in
the East.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean you can.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You can finish five hundred and be the fifth seed
in these without much much difficulty. So I think that's
the way I go. If I have to sit down
with Jannis and say we got to move you, and
I would move Dame if I could, but he's got
an achilles injury and nobody's gonna take him until they
know what his status is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, I wonder if I mean, they're obviously not going
to push Damian Lillard to try to get back anytime soon.
I'm assuming the Bucks will probably file an insurance policy
or something to get a little bit of money recouped
from Dame.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, but it's not about it's about your salary cap.
Even if the insurance pays for it, it still counts against
your cap and what you can do in free agency
and what you can do with your with your roster acquisitions.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, the I mean, the kind of good thing is
because like you've said, they can they can resign all
of their free agents to go over the salary cap.
So if they wanted to, they can sign brook Lopez
again because he's next year, well, this year he will
be an unrestricted free agent. I don't think that brook
Lopez is going to try to ask the organization anywhere
(04:10):
close to what he was making this year, which was
twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Maybe he takes a half a pay cut.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They have team options or player options with Bobby Portis
next year, Pat Conaton, Kevin Porter Junior, even though I
don't think that dude.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Should still be in the league again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
If the organization had not made changes for Jannis in
the past two or three years.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think there.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Would be more writing on the wall of Jiannis would
probably ask out. But this organization and the GM cannot
sit there and look Jannis in the eye and Yannis
tell them you haven't done enough.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We fired our head.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Coach because you didn't want the head coach anymore. We
fired our second head coach because you didn't like Adrian Griffin,
even though we were second in the East. We've traded
for Damian Lillard, we cave away Drew Holliday, we traded
Chris Middleton.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We have done that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Organization has done everything they can that Jannie has asked,
and maybe he said, you know what, it just hasn't
worked out the past couple of years with injuries. I'm
gonna be loyal to y'all. Y'all have been loyal to me.
We'll run it back and we'll try to figure something
out from there. That's how I look at it as
I still think there is a chance that Jannis still
(05:25):
ends up a buck.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think if he stays about the team has Jannis
and Dame and a bunch of players, that the rest
of the roster is awful.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
There's there's Bobby Portis I can, I can.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Talk tolerate man, he's okay, but Brook Lopez is older,
older than Dirt and there just you just look at
the roster makeup, and that's not going to be a
competitive team. Now again, they can win forty one games
and be the fifth or succeed, but if they're actually
trying to get better, they're not gonna to me there,
it's going to be easier to do without Yannis than
(05:59):
it is with him, if you can get the right
draft pick.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What if let me just throw out this random hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Let's say, for whatever reason, Damian Lillard, it comes out, Hey, Dame,
you're not gonna be able to play anymore, and somehow
they're able to get that money off the books because
he's going to medically retire.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Do you think at that point that winds up up?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
If I could get the fifty two million dollars, if
I could get the fifty two or three million dollars
or sixty two million dollars, that Dame's gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Make fifty four next year, fifty eight the following Ye, yeah,
Dame's not going anywhere till he gets that money.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That money's going in Dame's bank account. One way or
the other. If he has to say I'm not medically retiring,
I'll sit on the bench and just collect the check.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He's going to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
He's not giving up that cash, so I don't think
that's ever coming off their books. And Dame's not going
to take a buyout for the good of the team.
He has zero loyalty to Milwaukee. He's only been there
for a cup of coffee. His career was spent in Portland,
and he's going to get that one hundred and twelve
million bucks or whatever it is in the next two years.
So you are stuck with that contract and a pretty
(07:03):
good chance that he's not going to play it all
next year, and certainly not before the All Star break,
so to me or you can't move off. I think
it's unrealistic to think that the Dame contract can be
can be moved, but the honest contract can be. And
what we're what everybody seemingly forgets, is that not only
do you have to match the money, but I need players,
(07:24):
I need draft picks, and the and the Knicks don't
have any because they gave him all the to New
Jersey or Brooklyn, and I haven't looked to see what
Boston's stats are for draft picks. But if I can't
get at least three and maybe four picks out of this,
you're not getting honest. And that's going to be the
hardest part here in the offseason to see where he goes.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I mean Giannis in the next three years, because he's
still under contract for three years and that third year
is a team option. He's on the hook for basically
one hundred and sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Next, I'd let that be somebody else's problem, and I
think Janni would then look at it and go, yeah,
I can, we can, I can.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I can win if that, I can win it wherever
I go.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And that's why I think Houston, San Antonio and Oklahoma
City are the logical places for that because they have picks,
they have young players, and they have draft capital, and
it's another small market team with Houston's not But but.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Of the Pelicans, there you go.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I'm honest, Janni's for Zion and some picks. The most
interesting thing that came out about this today, Mark Stein,
NBA insider, said the Bucks organization is not trading the
honest and I see requests a trade. So there's going
to be a bit of a stalemate this summer to
figure out that.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The bus organization is milty. Well it's loyalty, yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Until Jannis comes out and says this organization, we're stocked.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But here's the problem with that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
If Yannis requests a trade, then the value of what
you can get for Giannis is less because you know
you have to trade him or he's he's gonna if.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
He demands a trade. So maybe you get one draft
pick less. That's still yo, honis I don't get You
can say, yeah, it devalues the trade. Okay, so instead
of getting four first round or five first round draft picks,
I'm only getting four.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm still getting the freak. I'm still getting the Greek freaks.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So what if I don't get that coveted twenty thirty
one draft pick.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I understand loyalty and I and I'm I'm very much
proudful of those who are loyal, and I try to
be as loyal as I can be in every situation.
But you have to if you're owning the Milwaukee Bucks.
What if the Milwaukee Bucks keep you honest, keep dame,
don't fit make a lot of roster moves and we
and they show up at the same time next year
(09:37):
and lose in the first round. Again, the fans and
the sponsors and the supporters and the ownership group is
going to go, well, our GM's not very good, our
coaches are very good, and the roster's.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Not very good.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And that's this therein. If they don't change anything, they're
gonna get the same thing. You talk about the definition
of insanity not changing this roster, it would definitely be that.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Well.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But again, the past few years would have snake bitten.
The Milwaukee Bucks has been injuries in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
On on any.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Good night healthy Damiel Lillard and Giannis Antetokounmpo are, if
not one of the best two, they're a top five
one to two combat that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But Giannis is gonna be without Dame for probably fifty
games if not more.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Next year. I agree, I agree, all.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Right, how much would you pay to go to a game? Well,
we'll tell you what. The Knicks and Celtics are gonna
make you pay if you want to go. And we
had a baseball firing today and I'm gonna get on
my soapbox about that again, because this is not the
manager's fault.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's five forty five on the ticket.
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