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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Back from the vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
You know, in the two weeks I was gone, I
did not even open the computer. That was probably the
first time I've ever not been on a computer for
twelve straight days. I opened it on the airplane coming
home yesterday, spent the twelve bucks for the United Airlines
WiFi and caught up on the world. But I went
twelve straight days almost without even opening the computer. Answered
(00:26):
a few emails on the phone. But anyway, we'll get
into that and I'll give you a full recap of
Scotland coming up. At six o'clock yesterday day before whatever
these days were. Tom Thibodeau gets fired by the New
York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau, I don't know. There are a
lot of times coaches like tight rotations, and if you
(00:47):
look at the teams that go a long ways in
the playoffs, and it's kind of interesting that the Knicks
were able to go as far as they were playing
the players that they played as much as they played
them in night in and night out, But in the
playoffs they basically went seven or eight deep. The bench
was very short, and I think players tend to get
(01:07):
worn outs, and it got to the point where guys
like Jalen Brunson and a couple others just had to have.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Great nights in order for the Knicks to win games.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now, that's not unlike other superstars on teams having to
have great nights in the playoffs, but it was even
more unbalanced in New York's favor because of their lack
of depth. I think that even in a playoff game,
you need to be able to play ten guys, even
if nine and ten only play for eight minutes. If
you can get nine and ten in the game and
(01:35):
your plus minus does not go down when they're in
the game, that's a positive for you in terms of
getting your star players rested for the stretch of a game.
And that is not necessarily Tom Thibodau's fault. Now, Tims
may not want to play that many players even if
he has them. But the players, if you look at
their roster after about the first six or seven, I
(01:56):
wouldn't play him either. They're not that good. In fact,
half of them I've never even heard of. Leon Rose
is the general manager of the Knicks. He's the one
that got Michale Bridges and overpaid for him so that
they will not really have a lot of draft picks
over the next several weeks several years to be able
to build that team organically, homegrown and develop talent. And
(02:19):
Jalen Brunson did the Knicks a favor and left one
hundred million dollars on the table, and it should be
up to the Knicks to spend that hundred million dollars
to get whoever. The next coach is a bench And
I love the line I mentioned it in the first segment.
Tims wouldn't play nine guys if he was managing a
baseball game, but he would play nine guys if he
(02:39):
trusted the ninth guy. He'd play ten or eleven if
he trusted the tenth or eleventh guy. But Tims is
an old school coach who wants to see effort on defense,
who likes to practice. Most NBA teams don't practice a lot.
In the New York Knicks are one of those teams
that practice a lot more than most teams do. I
think that there's a lot of breaks during those practices,
(03:01):
but there's probably a lot of film sessions, and it's
about the preparation night in and night out. And he
is a basketball junkie. But it's up to the anytime
that I think they overpaid for mkel Bridges, although he's
a really good player and they probably could have gotten
him for less. But you start throwing things at a
team and at some point you have to say, okay,
I'm not going to give you any more and decide
(03:22):
to move on and get somebody else. But I think
it shows you the nature of the game in which
we play now when a team can get to the
Eastern Conference finals, twenty six other teams didn't get as
far as the New York Knicks and their coach is gone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That was a really good math equation there. I was like,
twenty six other teams didn't make that. You're right, okay,
I will say this though, you're right about Thibodeau getting fired.
Did he deserve to be fired? Probably not, But I'm
kind of happy that he did, because now we have
an answer to the question, Andy, can the power of
friendship win you a title? Because that's what they did.
They've overpaid for mcl Bridges because they want to get
all those Villanova guys back together and it didn't work.
(04:01):
And now the question is do you go get Jay Wright,
who was their coach in college. Is this jay Wright
want the job, you got enough money, you could go.
There's enough money for him to say yes. And also
I think Jay Wright does want the job. I'm gonna
go on a living.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
If Jay Wright wants the job, yes, I would go.
I would go.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I would hire Jay Wright because the way that College
has played now it's so NBA ish uh and the
scores are higher than they've ever been. Other teams that
slow it down and play play methodically because they can.
But if Jay Wright wants the job and wants to
be reunited with all those players he coached back in
the day, absolutely I would hire Jay Wright. But we
(04:37):
tend in the NBA just to recycle coaches. It's Mike Malone,
it's gonna be a Bootenholzer, It'll be whoever. And sometimes
you need either somebody that the players on your roster
are familiar with, or you need somebody that's fresh. I'm
sure when Oklahoma City hired Mark Dagnall, everybody's like, who
who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I was, do mean, I think everybody was. But now
he's got them in the finals, and he'll be the
first to tell you I am here. Because Shay and
Holmgren and Jay Will and those guys got me here.
I just gave him a plan and they followed it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think the last guy who was managements guy was
Eric Spolstra, who had like success. Remember because pat Riley said, hey,
this is my head coach. Lebron didn't like him, tough,
this is the head coach. I think that's the last guy.
I'm trying to go through my head. I don't remember
another ownership head coach.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know, yeah, but most of the coach I think
wasn't Missoula under in Boston.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, but they were both under Brad Steelings.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right somewhat, Yes, but he was again back row type
of guy.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's look at all the back row guys that were
behind Pop and now they're coach.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's so special. That's a different life.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, it's it's when you when you have I think
coaching comes down to about three things. I think the
most important thing that coaches do are able to communicate
with players on their level for an extended period of time.
And you know, before Pop retired and before he was
unable to coach because of the stroke, here's a seventy
year old man that could communicate with a twenty year
(06:10):
old kid, and it's not Grandpa giving him advice, although
it is. It's teaching them life lessons that go beyond basketball,
so that when the basketball discussions need to be had, Yeah,
this old man may know something that I don't know.
And the willingness for those players to be able to
(06:30):
listen to him.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And to accept that figure that he is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know, Tim and Toni and Manu would talk about
going on road trips and he'd say, guys, we're going
to a museum.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They're like, we're going to a museum. That's going to
be fun.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And it turned out to be the best part of
the road trip other than winning or losing the games,
because they were learning life lessons and they didn't realize
they were learning life lessons until they got older. So
I think communication is number one. Number two is not
being whiny. The biggest problem that Larry Brown had in
his career. Larry Brown is one of the greatest coaches
of all time, but he had forty different jobs because
(07:03):
all he did was complain.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
He was unhappy when the team won.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
He didn't know how to enjoy the success, and so
that drags on players, especially players that want to be
be with teams and then I think the third thing
is is actually being able to watch film and figure
out what the other team's doing and come up with
a plan to togate that. And the great coaches are
never going to win games if they don't have great players.
(07:29):
Great players make every league. If I have Shoe A
Otawny as a baseball manager, I'm gonna win games. Show
a hit ball, go over the fence, run around the bases.
I don't have to get in his way. He knows
how to play baseball. If we look at Bill Belichick,
Bill Belichick was a great football coach in New England
because of Tom Brady. Was he that good when he
(07:51):
was in with the Jets and with Cleveland? No, he
was Bill that nobody really knew about. And now he's
at in North Carolina and he's got kids playing a
game that he has hardly any control over because the
Boosters are paying them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And now he made me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, he's good doing recruiting because North Carolina's got a
budget to pay the players. Uh and it may not
be millions, but it's enough to get them interested in
going to play for Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Hated young kids when he was in college when in
the pros he wanted to play the Vets. Now he's
going to play seniors and juniors instead of sophomores and freshmen.
But they're still, you know, younger than his girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
So we got back. I was waiting for that one.
We got back. We started this whole conversation about to
Adelle and you were across the pond when this news broke.
Were you shocked at this news broke?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I wasn't shocked because it's the Knicks, and I think
James Dolan is the most reactionary owner and he does
things that don't make sense. He hired Isaiah Thomas to
be the general manager, and Isaiah Thomas should not general
manage anybody, uh. He He's hired coaches in the past
for the sizzle factor instead of the substance factor. I
(09:00):
think Thibodeau is not a sizzle coach. He's not you
know over especially now that they don't even dress in
suits anymore. But Thibodau is not going to wow you
with the Armani suit when he walks on the floor.
There's too many people that have this perception that because
that's the way pat Riley did it in the in
the eighties that if you're not dressed to the nines,
you're not a good coach, or if you don't look
(09:20):
good in your suit, you're not a good coach. And
I think Pop had beared that burden for a long time.
So it kind of comes down to if you can,
if you have good players and you stay out of
their way and you communicate with them efficiently, you're going
to succeed at this. And if Timms wants to coach
any of the jobs that could become vacant, I'm sure
(09:41):
he'll take two seconds for someone to hire him and
he'll he'll be out there or he can, you know,
go go do some radio or TV.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He doesn't. He's really bad at that.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, but everybody does it just because it gives them.
It keeps them engaged enough to where people think about
them and maybe rehire them. Or he goes and sits
on somebody's bench and becomes a number one assistant for
a while.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think that would be fine too.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But anyway, I don't think he should have been fired,
but I understand why the Knicks did it. And if
Jay writes the guy, maybe he can get him a
little bit further. I think the Celtics are going to
get blown up next year. I think Cleveland had a
remarkable year and Indiana's probably going to be pretty good
again next year. So the Knicks and Pacers could be
right back to where they were. And if Jay writes
(10:25):
the answer to get them over the top, then they
made the right choice. And James Dolan will let everybody
know that he made the right choice, and guy Jay Wright.
But there is a big difference in playing thirty five
to forty n C DOAA games where you play, you know,
one game in the middle of the week and one
game on the weekend, and playing three or four nights
a week. It's a different grind. It's a lot of games.
(10:45):
The games are longer, you know, obviously forty eight and
forty minutes, but they you feel that as a player
and as a coach and somebody that's in the in
the works with the game. All right, The Valero Alamo
Bowl has a date, so to the rest of the
ball games.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Here we are in June, and.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We're getting ready for the bowl season and the football
season which is a couple of months away. That discussion
coming up, plus more on the Pacers and Thunder. It's
The Andy Everatge Show on the
Back from the vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
You know, in the two weeks I was gone, I
did not even open the computer. That was probably the
first time I've ever not been on a computer for
twelve straight days. I opened it on the airplane coming
home yesterday, spent the twelve bucks for the United Airlines
WiFi and caught up on the world. But I went
twelve straight days almost without even opening the computer. Answered
(00:26):
a few emails on the phone. But anyway, we'll get
into that and I'll give you a full recap of
Scotland coming up. At six o'clock yesterday day before whatever
these days were. Tom Thibodeau gets fired by the New
York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau, I don't know. There are a
lot of times coaches like tight rotations, and if you
(00:47):
look at the teams that go a long ways in
the playoffs, and it's kind of interesting that the Knicks
were able to go as far as they were playing
the players that they played as much as they played
them in night in and night out, But in the
playoffs they basically went seven or eight deep. The bench
was very short, and I think players tend to get
(01:07):
worn outs, and it got to the point where guys
like Jalen Brunson and a couple others just had to have.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Great nights in order for the Knicks to win games.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now, that's not unlike other superstars on teams having to
have great nights in the playoffs, but it was even
more unbalanced in New York's favor because of their lack
of depth. I think that even in a playoff game,
you need to be able to play ten guys, even
if nine and ten only play for eight minutes. If
you can get nine and ten in the game and
(01:35):
your plus minus does not go down when they're in
the game, that's a positive for you in terms of
getting your star players rested for the stretch of a game.
And that is not necessarily Tom Thibodau's fault. Now, Tims
may not want to play that many players even if
he has them. But the players, if you look at
their roster after about the first six or seven, I
(01:56):
wouldn't play him either. They're not that good. In fact,
half of them I've never even heard of. Leon Rose
is the general manager of the Knicks. He's the one
that got Michale Bridges and overpaid for him so that
they will not really have a lot of draft picks
over the next several weeks several years to be able
to build that team organically, homegrown and develop talent. And
(02:19):
Jalen Brunson did the Knicks a favor and left one
hundred million dollars on the table, and it should be
up to the Knicks to spend that hundred million dollars
to get whoever. The next coach is a bench And
I love the line I mentioned it in the first segment.
Tims wouldn't play nine guys if he was managing a
baseball game, but he would play nine guys if he
(02:39):
trusted the ninth guy. He'd play ten or eleven if
he trusted the tenth or eleventh guy. But Tims is
an old school coach who wants to see effort on defense,
who likes to practice. Most NBA teams don't practice a lot.
In the New York Knicks are one of those teams
that practice a lot more than most teams do. I
think that there's a lot of breaks during those practices,
(03:01):
but there's probably a lot of film sessions, and it's
about the preparation night in and night out. And he
is a basketball junkie. But it's up to the anytime
that I think they overpaid for mkel Bridges, although he's
a really good player and they probably could have gotten
him for less. But you start throwing things at a
team and at some point you have to say, okay,
I'm not going to give you any more and decide
(03:22):
to move on and get somebody else. But I think
it shows you the nature of the game in which
we play now when a team can get to the
Eastern Conference finals, twenty six other teams didn't get as
far as the New York Knicks and their coach is gone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That was a really good math equation there. I was like,
twenty six other teams didn't make that. You're right, okay,
I will say this though, you're right about Thibodeau getting fired.
Did he deserve to be fired? Probably not, But I'm
kind of happy that he did, because now we have
an answer to the question, Andy, can the power of
friendship win you a title? Because that's what they did.
They've overpaid for mcl Bridges because they want to get
all those Villanova guys back together and it didn't work.
(04:01):
And now the question is do you go get Jay Wright,
who was their coach in college. Is this jay Wright
want the job, you got enough money, you could go.
There's enough money for him to say yes. And also
I think Jay Wright does want the job. I'm gonna
go on a living.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
If Jay Wright wants the job, yes, I would go.
I would go.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I would hire Jay Wright because the way that College
has played now it's so NBA ish uh and the
scores are higher than they've ever been. Other teams that
slow it down and play play methodically because they can.
But if Jay Wright wants the job and wants to
be reunited with all those players he coached back in
the day, absolutely I would hire Jay Wright. But we
(04:37):
tend in the NBA just to recycle coaches. It's Mike Malone,
it's gonna be a Bootenholzer, It'll be whoever. And sometimes
you need either somebody that the players on your roster
are familiar with, or you need somebody that's fresh. I'm
sure when Oklahoma City hired Mark Dagnall, everybody's like, who
who's this guy?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I was, do mean, I think everybody was. But now
he's got them in the finals, and he'll be the
first to tell you I am here. Because Shay and
Holmgren and Jay Will and those guys got me here.
I just gave him a plan and they followed it.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I think the last guy who was managements guy was
Eric Spolstra, who had like success. Remember because pat Riley said, hey,
this is my head coach. Lebron didn't like him, tough,
this is the head coach. I think that's the last guy.
I'm trying to go through my head. I don't remember
another ownership head coach.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know, yeah, but most of the coach I think
wasn't Missoula under in Boston.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, but they were both under Brad Steelings.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right somewhat, Yes, but he was again back row type
of guy.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's look at all the back row guys that were
behind Pop and now they're coach.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's so special. That's a different life.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, it's it's when you when you have I think
coaching comes down to about three things. I think the
most important thing that coaches do are able to communicate
with players on their level for an extended period of time.
And you know, before Pop retired and before he was
unable to coach because of the stroke, here's a seventy
year old man that could communicate with a twenty year
(06:10):
old kid, and it's not Grandpa giving him advice, although
it is. It's teaching them life lessons that go beyond basketball,
so that when the basketball discussions need to be had, Yeah,
this old man may know something that I don't know.
And the willingness for those players to be able to
(06:30):
listen to him.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And to accept that figure that he is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know, Tim and Toni and Manu would talk about
going on road trips and he'd say, guys, we're going
to a museum.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
They're like, we're going to a museum. That's going to
be fun.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And it turned out to be the best part of
the road trip other than winning or losing the games,
because they were learning life lessons and they didn't realize
they were learning life lessons until they got older. So
I think communication is number one. Number two is not
being whiny. The biggest problem that Larry Brown had in
his career. Larry Brown is one of the greatest coaches
of all time, but he had forty different jobs because
(07:03):
all he did was complain.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
He was unhappy when the team won.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
He didn't know how to enjoy the success, and so
that drags on players, especially players that want to be
be with teams and then I think the third thing
is is actually being able to watch film and figure
out what the other team's doing and come up with
a plan to togate that. And the great coaches are
never going to win games if they don't have great players.
(07:29):
Great players make every league. If I have Shoe A
Otawny as a baseball manager, I'm gonna win games. Show
a hit ball, go over the fence, run around the bases.
I don't have to get in his way. He knows
how to play baseball. If we look at Bill Belichick,
Bill Belichick was a great football coach in New England
because of Tom Brady. Was he that good when he
(07:51):
was in with the Jets and with Cleveland? No, he
was Bill that nobody really knew about. And now he's
at in North Carolina and he's got kids playing a
game that he has hardly any control over because the
Boosters are paying them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And now he made me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, he's good doing recruiting because North Carolina's got a
budget to pay the players. Uh and it may not
be millions, but it's enough to get them interested in
going to play for Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Hated young kids when he was in college when in
the pros he wanted to play the Vets. Now he's
going to play seniors and juniors instead of sophomores and freshmen.
But they're still, you know, younger than his girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
So we got back. I was waiting for that one.
We got back. We started this whole conversation about to
Adelle and you were across the pond when this news broke.
Were you shocked at this news broke?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I wasn't shocked because it's the Knicks, and I think
James Dolan is the most reactionary owner and he does
things that don't make sense. He hired Isaiah Thomas to
be the general manager, and Isaiah Thomas should not general
manage anybody, uh. He He's hired coaches in the past
for the sizzle factor instead of the substance factor. I
(09:00):
think Thibodeau is not a sizzle coach. He's not you
know over especially now that they don't even dress in
suits anymore. But Thibodau is not going to wow you
with the Armani suit when he walks on the floor.
There's too many people that have this perception that because
that's the way pat Riley did it in the in
the eighties that if you're not dressed to the nines,
you're not a good coach, or if you don't look
(09:20):
good in your suit, you're not a good coach. And
I think Pop had beared that burden for a long time.
So it kind of comes down to if you can,
if you have good players and you stay out of
their way and you communicate with them efficiently, you're going
to succeed at this. And if Timms wants to coach
any of the jobs that could become vacant, I'm sure
(09:41):
he'll take two seconds for someone to hire him and
he'll he'll be out there or he can, you know,
go go do some radio or TV.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He doesn't. He's really bad at that.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, but everybody does it just because it gives them.
It keeps them engaged enough to where people think about
them and maybe rehire them. Or he goes and sits
on somebody's bench and becomes a number one assistant for
a while.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think that would be fine too.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But anyway, I don't think he should have been fired,
but I understand why the Knicks did it. And if
Jay writes the guy, maybe he can get him a
little bit further. I think the Celtics are going to
get blown up next year. I think Cleveland had a
remarkable year and Indiana's probably going to be pretty good
again next year. So the Knicks and Pacers could be
right back to where they were. And if Jay writes
(10:25):
the answer to get them over the top, then they
made the right choice. And James Dolan will let everybody
know that he made the right choice, and guy Jay Wright.
But there is a big difference in playing thirty five
to forty n C DOAA games where you play, you know,
one game in the middle of the week and one
game on the weekend, and playing three or four nights
a week. It's a different grind. It's a lot of games.
(10:45):
The games are longer, you know, obviously forty eight and
forty minutes, but they you feel that as a player
and as a coach and somebody that's in the in
the works with the game. All right, The Valero Alamo
Bowl has a date, so to the rest of the
ball games.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Here we are in June, and.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We're getting ready for the bowl season and the football
season which is a couple of months away. That discussion
coming up, plus more on the Pacers and Thunder. It's
The Andy Everatge Show on the
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