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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But I want to start with a topic that a
lot of people have an issue with, and that is
the Lane Kiff and saga. And for the love of God,
why did he ESPN decide to put him on game
Day this weekend other than the fact that people will watch.
I mean, is that just more incentive? I guess there's
more eyeballs. We can charge a few more spots for
the dollars. Yeah, I think you just answered about the
question well.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And also ESPN's coming off you know, multiple weeks where
if you had YouTube TV, you couldn't watch college game days,
So they're trying to do a little pr after the fact.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So anyway, there was a comment made by Lane Kiffin
the other day and somebody said something about him taking
the LSU job because it was more money, and I
don't have the exact quote in front of me, but
basically said, I really don't know how much money the
deal is at LSU. I just think it's a better
opportunity for me and my family at this time. Some trite, scripted,
(00:58):
agent driven statement to make when asked that question, But
in reality, I'll bet you he doesn't know how much
he makes. I mean, I think he has a ballpark.
If it's seven years and thirteen million, you can do
the math. That's ninety one million dollars, right, So I
think he knows it's ninety one million. But I'll bet
you he never pays a bill. I'll bet you his
(01:21):
agent takes care of his agent, or his wife or
some a business manager takes care of all the details.
I'll bet you in his pocket is his id to
get into the athletic facilities at LSU, and probably the
keys to his.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Car, and maybe a.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wallet with one credit card in it, and some cash
and a driver's license. And I don't know how all
coaches do it, but when you get to that level,
you don't know how much gasoline cost. You have your
ga go fill up your car for you when it
runs out of gas. You show up at five in
the morning and you'll leave it at thirty nine o'clock
at night. Now, coaches do burn them, mid Ido will.
(02:03):
They are constantly ingrained in what they do. And this
idea that although they let other guys do the work
for them and then they worry about it, that doesn't happen.
If you are a good head coach, you are immersed
in your job. Twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
Sometimes you don't go home, you sleep in the office,
and sometimes when you do go home, you go to
(02:25):
bed at ten o'clock and you wake up at four
and you're back to work. You're getting your you're living
on five and six hours sleep when you go on vacation.
Other some people like Hugh Freeze it basically found a
booster to play golf with three times a week and
did let assistants run practice. Guess what he has to
work at Auburn anymore. And there are a lot of
coaches out there that are fearful of doing anything that's
(02:48):
quote unquote fun, especially if they just didn't win a
national championship, because they know there's a booster out there
that's going coach, what are you doing here on the
golf course. Shouldn't you be dissecting game film for the
next game. Well, I've done that for the last ten
hours and now I want to play golf. But no,
I can't because it's a bad look, especially when you're
making three to thirteen million dollars a year to coach
(03:10):
a team. You give the perception, at least when your
own mind, that any free time that you have is
going to be criticized because you're not totally engulfed and
totally prepared in what you're doing. And I've said this
about big time athletes, they really don't do much. If
(03:30):
they go out to eat with an agent, the agent
picks up the tab and takes it off the and
expenses it back to, you know, athlete incorporated, whoever the
athlete is. I would imagine Lebron's this way. I would
imagine Tiger and mj are this way. My guess is
is that Tom Brady's that way. You know, they often
fly private. They when when does the plane leaf? Whenever
(03:50):
I get there? When does the restaurant close? Whenever I
tell them to close it? You know, those are the
kind of ways that, to a certain extent, those guys live.
So it doesn't surprise me at all that the pay
stub that accompanies the electronic deposit into Lane Kiffin's account
Lane Kiffen never sees Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And I bet, I mean, I bet the number of
whatever LSU is actually giving, and I bet ole Miss
was not that much much different like it wasn't It
wouldn't surprise me if they would have said, yeah, we'll
match whatever the offer is, But I bet Lane Kiffen
does know the amount of NIL money. Yes, he has
to play with at LSU versus Ole miss because I
(04:34):
think if you're making that decision to change jobs in
the SEC like that, that's that's the main driving force.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So let's say that you I'll give I'll give you
three schools in the in the SEC, Alabama, LSU, Mississippi.
And if this were anywhere from nineteen fifty to twenty
twenty two, I would say Mississippi is the worst of
the three jobs as far as chances to win national championships.
(05:03):
From nil to now, I think Mississippi has as good
a chance to win national championships as the other two
do if they invest properly. Because now you can invest
at whatever level you want with your NIL. Your revenue
share has to be capped at twenty million. So if
you like Oxford, you found a three acre home, there's
(05:26):
a phishing pond on it. All your friends and family
come over all the time. You don't want to leave.
But the amount of pay you're going to get over
seven years is say seventy five million, and you can
make sixteen more by going to LSU. And I don't
know that that's a difference or not. But instead of
giving you ninety one million and twenty five million for
(05:47):
your players at LSU, if Mississippi can only offer you
seventy five million, but give you the difference back to
the players. I know you've had this conversation before. Let
me find out what the differences between ninety one and
seventy five million. But I'm guessing because of the lifestyle
that coaches live that they would never know the difference.
(06:08):
They don't pay for a car. They every bill they have,
somebody else's paying for the car is donated by whoever
their car sponsor is. The GA is filling up the
car with the university credit card whenever they need to.
If he happens to go on a road trip, he
may have to figure out how to use the gas pump,
which he hasn't you since he was a GA. To me,
it comes down to where do I want to be
(06:31):
as much as how much am I getting paid well?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And even you know, the comparing Ole miss to LSU
also kind of drives me. It gives me a lot
of tired head thinking about it. Because LSU had five
double digit win seasons before Nick Saban got there in
the early two thousands. Like, it's not like LSU is
the heritage brand of Alabama or you know, Georgia, even
(06:58):
like the SEC Old School the teams you think of
when you think of SEC football, you think of LSU
now because Saban got there and started winning ten games
a year every year until he left for Bama.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Miami first and then Bama.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, short stint in the pro.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm not going to Miami. How many times so I
have to tell you, Oh, I'm going to Miami for
a year or two and then I'm going back to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And then how quickly did LSU get tired of less
Miles When all less Miles did was have double digit
wins every year except for two over his first seven
years there. So I thinking of LSU as this historical
powerhouse of the South or this heritage rich football. No,
(07:45):
it's they Saban put him on the map in terms
of popularity and competitiveness, and now they've got more money
than Ole miss I think it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
How much do you put this into the equation. I
look at Lane Kiffin as a whiner. I don't have this,
I don't have that, and every day you.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Go to work.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Instead of seeing what success you had, you whine about
what you don't have. And I think that, you know,
Larry Brown, I think was guilty of that for years
as an NBA coach, he was He didn't He never
felt comfortable in the same city for very long. And
he's had what thirty jobs from college to pro. It
seems like in the thirty forty years he coached, Probably
(08:26):
isn't that many. I'm kind of exaggerating a little bit,
but to me, Lane Kiffins seems like I'm never gonna
be happy. And I guarantee if they don't win the
national even if they win the national championship in the
next three years, LSU, he's going to whine about something else.
So is there a sense of relief at Ole Miss?
It's like, we don't have to put up with this
crap anymore. Pete Golding will be happy and content, and
(08:48):
if we pay the players of what we've been playing him,
he'll he'll find an offensive coordinator that can call the
right plays and he's a great defensive coordinator, and we
don't have to put up with all the noise. We
just have to go play a football game. I think
there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I think there's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, again, you're if you're making the decision to
leave a place where you've taken them to heights they've
never achieved. I mean, this is ole Miss's best year
in school history and he's leaving on the heels of that.
It has to be one. It has to be more
(09:23):
than just what you're getting paid directly. I mean, you
feel like you've done everything you can just to get
to this point and now you're going to have to
turn around and try to do that again with the
same amount of limited resources compared to your the rest
of the schools you see in the conference.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think in the old era you would be concerned
about how can we ever duplicate this with a new coach.
But in the new era, as long as Pete Golding
has the same budget that Lane Kiffin had, to hire
players to come play, and that's basic what you're doing
is you're hiring players.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Here's will be the interesting litmus test whenever ole miss
Is season is over, how many ole Miss players going
to Portland go to LSU And if it's ten or fifteen, Okay,
ole Miss is in trouble. But if it's two or three,
I think ole Miss can replace those And I can't
wait to watch if I get a chance to watch.
If it's not opposite UTSA LSU at ole Miss next
(10:26):
year whenever they play, because they're going to Oxford next
year for a game, and I guarantee you that's the
night game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Miss. Here's the funny part.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Remember when Lane Giffen was griping about the fact that
he never got a night game on the Marquee games.
LSU and ole Miss next year is going to be
a night game.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, yes, ironic How that turns around on you? I do,
I mean, I know it seems like it is a
bit of a turn key operation in college football these days,
with the way you can buy players and increase your
odds of winning football games every week, and it's allowed now.
(11:06):
I do think selling the coaching and development short by
saying anyone can replace Lane Kiffin. And we've seen multiple
times at big universities where that thought, that was the thought,
that was the idea, and then you end up with
someone like Bill Callahan replacing Frank Solitch at Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And you've got to get the right guy.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But Pete Golding's been around the Southeast Conference forever except
for the two years he spent with Frank Wilson here.
So he is a Alabama, Mississippi Louisiana guy, and I
think he can walk into those rooms. But I do
think you now have a hammer, you know. Oh, by
the way, we'll pay you whatever the other school. So
if you really like Oxford and you've always been a
Mississippi fan, we really watch you, and you don't have
(11:52):
to go to LSU because we'll pay you whatever they are.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And that sounds a lot like somebody that did something
similar at LSU when Ed Ordern was interval and then
given the full time and it was great when Joe
Burrow was there exactly, but as soon as that stopped,
Burrow was pretty good. Yeah, it's all about getting the
best players, and I'm not there is there is something
to say about the fact that Lane Kiffen or Nick
Saban or whatever player whatever hot coach of the of
(12:18):
the era is there that they can sway players to
come play for them. But I have no idea what
Lane Kiffen's culture is. I'm pretty I have a pretty
good idea what Nick Saban's is. Because he wouldn't have
gotten those players at LSU or at Alabama if that
culture and that expectation level and all the things that
go along with playing for Nick Saban matter. And I
(12:42):
think Nick Saban pretty much had a not maybe a
deep relationship, but some relationship with every one of his players.
And if Lane Kiffen has that and he's learned that
from him, and I think Sark may have that as
well at Texas, I think you can build a culture
that attracts people because when you go on your recruiting class,
I'm sure are your recruiting visit. I'm sure one of
(13:03):
the things that the freshman asked the upper classmen is, hey,
what's coach like?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He's great, He's going to know your name, he's going
to know your major, he's going to know your parents' name.
I mean, I have that conversation weekly with Jeff Trailer,
and when we have the players on, he doesn't even
have to look.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's just right there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He knows about the players background, where they came from,
what they did in high school, what they did in
junior college, what his parents did, what jobs they have.
And there's some coaches that don't and those coaches, I
don't think and create the culture that the culture type
coaches can.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, speaking of the culture type coaches, you threw Larry
Brown out there earlier thirty career or thirty potential jobs
over the course of his career, you weren't that far off,
starting in sixty five as an assistant at North Carolina
all the way through twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Two as he went back to the NBA. Day.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, you went to Memphis to be an assistant for
Penny Hardaway.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yes, yes, okay, eighteen jobs in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, fifty years, eighty jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Eighteen jobs sixty five to twenty twenty basically, so you're
looking at what once every three years and moving on.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, about every three years.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's time to you know, the the wolves are at
the gate. I gotta go. I gotta go before they
figure me out, all right. And here's the thing though
about Larry. Every place he ever went, he made them better.
He never left the place bad. I mean, Kansas had
no it hadn't been a relevant team in the Big
Eight till he got there. And then when he got there,
(14:38):
they won championships. And they kept winning championships. When Roy
Williams took him, took him over, and when Bill self
took him over. So that's the lineage for Kansas there,
all right. The championship games this weekend, and some thoughts
on picking the twelve teams for the CFP that next
five point fifteen on the ticket
But I want to start with a topic that a
lot of people have an issue with, and that is
the Lane Kiff and saga. And for the love of God,
why did he ESPN decide to put him on game
Day this weekend other than the fact that people will watch.
I mean, is that just more incentive? I guess there's
more eyeballs. We can charge a few more spots for
the dollars. Yeah, I think you just answered about the
question well.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And also ESPN's coming off you know, multiple weeks where
if you had YouTube TV, you couldn't watch college game days,
So they're trying to do a little pr after the fact.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So anyway, there was a comment made by Lane Kiffin
the other day and somebody said something about him taking
the LSU job because it was more money, and I
don't have the exact quote in front of me, but
basically said, I really don't know how much money the
deal is at LSU. I just think it's a better
opportunity for me and my family at this time. Some trite, scripted,
(00:58):
agent driven statement to make when asked that question, But
in reality, I'll bet you he doesn't know how much
he makes. I mean, I think he has a ballpark.
If it's seven years and thirteen million, you can do
the math. That's ninety one million dollars, right, So I
think he knows it's ninety one million. But I'll bet
you he never pays a bill. I'll bet you his
(01:21):
agent takes care of his agent, or his wife or
some a business manager takes care of all the details.
I'll bet you in his pocket is his id to
get into the athletic facilities at LSU, and probably the
keys to his.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Car, and maybe a.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Wallet with one credit card in it, and some cash
and a driver's license. And I don't know how all
coaches do it, but when you get to that level,
you don't know how much gasoline cost. You have your
ga go fill up your car for you when it
runs out of gas. You show up at five in
the morning and you'll leave it at thirty nine o'clock
at night. Now, coaches do burn them, mid Ido will.
(02:03):
They are constantly ingrained in what they do. And this
idea that although they let other guys do the work
for them and then they worry about it, that doesn't happen.
If you are a good head coach, you are immersed
in your job. Twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
Sometimes you don't go home, you sleep in the office,
and sometimes when you do go home, you go to
(02:25):
bed at ten o'clock and you wake up at four
and you're back to work. You're getting your you're living
on five and six hours sleep when you go on vacation.
Other some people like Hugh Freeze it basically found a
booster to play golf with three times a week and
did let assistants run practice. Guess what he has to
work at Auburn anymore. And there are a lot of
coaches out there that are fearful of doing anything that's
(02:48):
quote unquote fun, especially if they just didn't win a
national championship, because they know there's a booster out there
that's going coach, what are you doing here on the
golf course. Shouldn't you be dissecting game film for the
next game. Well, I've done that for the last ten
hours and now I want to play golf. But no,
I can't because it's a bad look, especially when you're
making three to thirteen million dollars a year to coach
(03:10):
a team. You give the perception, at least when your
own mind, that any free time that you have is
going to be criticized because you're not totally engulfed and
totally prepared in what you're doing. And I've said this
about big time athletes, they really don't do much. If
(03:30):
they go out to eat with an agent, the agent
picks up the tab and takes it off the and
expenses it back to, you know, athlete incorporated, whoever the
athlete is. I would imagine Lebron's this way. I would
imagine Tiger and mj are this way. My guess is
is that Tom Brady's that way. You know, they often
fly private. They when when does the plane leaf? Whenever
(03:50):
I get there? When does the restaurant close? Whenever I
tell them to close it? You know, those are the
kind of ways that, to a certain extent, those guys live.
So it doesn't surprise me at all that the pay
stub that accompanies the electronic deposit into Lane Kiffin's account
Lane Kiffen never sees Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And I bet, I mean, I bet the number of
whatever LSU is actually giving, and I bet ole Miss
was not that much much different like it wasn't It
wouldn't surprise me if they would have said, yeah, we'll
match whatever the offer is, But I bet Lane Kiffen
does know the amount of NIL money. Yes, he has
to play with at LSU versus Ole miss because I
(04:34):
think if you're making that decision to change jobs in
the SEC like that, that's that's the main driving force.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So let's say that you I'll give I'll give you
three schools in the in the SEC, Alabama, LSU, Mississippi.
And if this were anywhere from nineteen fifty to twenty
twenty two, I would say Mississippi is the worst of
the three jobs as far as chances to win national championships.
(05:03):
From nil to now, I think Mississippi has as good
a chance to win national championships as the other two
do if they invest properly. Because now you can invest
at whatever level you want with your NIL. Your revenue
share has to be capped at twenty million. So if
you like Oxford, you found a three acre home, there's
(05:26):
a phishing pond on it. All your friends and family
come over all the time. You don't want to leave.
But the amount of pay you're going to get over
seven years is say seventy five million, and you can
make sixteen more by going to LSU. And I don't
know that that's a difference or not. But instead of
giving you ninety one million and twenty five million for
(05:47):
your players at LSU, if Mississippi can only offer you
seventy five million, but give you the difference back to
the players. I know you've had this conversation before. Let
me find out what the differences between ninety one and
seventy five million. But I'm guessing because of the lifestyle
that coaches live that they would never know the difference.
(06:08):
They don't pay for a car. They every bill they have,
somebody else's paying for the car is donated by whoever
their car sponsor is. The GA is filling up the
car with the university credit card whenever they need to.
If he happens to go on a road trip, he
may have to figure out how to use the gas pump,
which he hasn't you since he was a GA. To me,
it comes down to where do I want to be
(06:31):
as much as how much am I getting paid well?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And even you know, the comparing Ole miss to LSU
also kind of drives me. It gives me a lot
of tired head thinking about it. Because LSU had five
double digit win seasons before Nick Saban got there in
the early two thousands. Like, it's not like LSU is
the heritage brand of Alabama or you know, Georgia, even
(06:58):
like the SEC Old School the teams you think of
when you think of SEC football, you think of LSU
now because Saban got there and started winning ten games
a year every year until he left for Bama.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Miami first and then Bama.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, short stint in the pro.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm not going to Miami. How many times so I
have to tell you, Oh, I'm going to Miami for
a year or two and then I'm going back to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And then how quickly did LSU get tired of less
Miles When all less Miles did was have double digit
wins every year except for two over his first seven
years there. So I thinking of LSU as this historical
powerhouse of the South or this heritage rich football. No,
(07:45):
it's they Saban put him on the map in terms
of popularity and competitiveness, and now they've got more money
than Ole miss I think it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
How much do you put this into the equation. I
look at Lane Kiffin as a whiner. I don't have this,
I don't have that, and every day you.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Go to work.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Instead of seeing what success you had, you whine about
what you don't have. And I think that, you know,
Larry Brown, I think was guilty of that for years
as an NBA coach, he was He didn't He never
felt comfortable in the same city for very long. And
he's had what thirty jobs from college to pro. It
seems like in the thirty forty years he coached, Probably
(08:26):
isn't that many. I'm kind of exaggerating a little bit,
but to me, Lane Kiffins seems like I'm never gonna
be happy. And I guarantee if they don't win the
national even if they win the national championship in the
next three years, LSU, he's going to whine about something else.
So is there a sense of relief at Ole Miss?
It's like, we don't have to put up with this
crap anymore. Pete Golding will be happy and content, and
(08:48):
if we pay the players of what we've been playing him,
he'll he'll find an offensive coordinator that can call the
right plays and he's a great defensive coordinator, and we
don't have to put up with all the noise. We
just have to go play a football game. I think
there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I think there's absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, again, you're if you're making the decision to
leave a place where you've taken them to heights they've
never achieved. I mean, this is ole Miss's best year
in school history and he's leaving on the heels of that.
It has to be one. It has to be more
(09:23):
than just what you're getting paid directly. I mean, you
feel like you've done everything you can just to get
to this point and now you're going to have to
turn around and try to do that again with the
same amount of limited resources compared to your the rest
of the schools you see in the conference.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think in the old era you would be concerned
about how can we ever duplicate this with a new coach.
But in the new era, as long as Pete Golding
has the same budget that Lane Kiffin had, to hire
players to come play, and that's basic what you're doing
is you're hiring players.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Here's will be the interesting litmus test whenever ole miss
Is season is over, how many ole Miss players going
to Portland go to LSU And if it's ten or fifteen, Okay,
ole Miss is in trouble. But if it's two or three,
I think ole Miss can replace those And I can't
wait to watch if I get a chance to watch.
If it's not opposite UTSA LSU at ole Miss next
(10:26):
year whenever they play, because they're going to Oxford next
year for a game, and I guarantee you that's the
night game.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Miss. Here's the funny part.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Remember when Lane Giffen was griping about the fact that
he never got a night game on the Marquee games.
LSU and ole Miss next year is going to be
a night game.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, yes, ironic How that turns around on you? I do,
I mean, I know it seems like it is a
bit of a turn key operation in college football these days,
with the way you can buy players and increase your
odds of winning football games every week, and it's allowed now.
(11:06):
I do think selling the coaching and development short by
saying anyone can replace Lane Kiffin. And we've seen multiple
times at big universities where that thought, that was the thought,
that was the idea, and then you end up with
someone like Bill Callahan replacing Frank Solitch at Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And you've got to get the right guy.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But Pete Golding's been around the Southeast Conference forever except
for the two years he spent with Frank Wilson here.
So he is a Alabama, Mississippi Louisiana guy, and I
think he can walk into those rooms. But I do
think you now have a hammer, you know. Oh, by
the way, we'll pay you whatever the other school. So
if you really like Oxford and you've always been a
Mississippi fan, we really watch you, and you don't have
(11:52):
to go to LSU because we'll pay you whatever they are.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And that sounds a lot like somebody that did something
similar at LSU when Ed Ordern was interval and then
given the full time and it was great when Joe
Burrow was there exactly, but as soon as that stopped,
Burrow was pretty good. Yeah, it's all about getting the
best players, and I'm not there is there is something
to say about the fact that Lane Kiffen or Nick
Saban or whatever player whatever hot coach of the of
(12:18):
the era is there that they can sway players to
come play for them. But I have no idea what
Lane Kiffen's culture is. I'm pretty I have a pretty
good idea what Nick Saban's is. Because he wouldn't have
gotten those players at LSU or at Alabama if that
culture and that expectation level and all the things that
go along with playing for Nick Saban matter. And I
(12:42):
think Nick Saban pretty much had a not maybe a
deep relationship, but some relationship with every one of his players.
And if Lane Kiffen has that and he's learned that
from him, and I think Sark may have that as
well at Texas, I think you can build a culture
that attracts people because when you go on your recruiting class,
I'm sure are your recruiting visit. I'm sure one of
(13:03):
the things that the freshman asked the upper classmen is, hey,
what's coach like?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He's great, He's going to know your name, he's going
to know your major, he's going to know your parents' name.
I mean, I have that conversation weekly with Jeff Trailer,
and when we have the players on, he doesn't even
have to look.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
It's just right there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He knows about the players background, where they came from,
what they did in high school, what they did in
junior college, what his parents did, what jobs they have.
And there's some coaches that don't and those coaches, I
don't think and create the culture that the culture type
coaches can.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, speaking of the culture type coaches, you threw Larry
Brown out there earlier thirty career or thirty potential jobs
over the course of his career, you weren't that far off,
starting in sixty five as an assistant at North Carolina
all the way through twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Two as he went back to the NBA. Day.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, you went to Memphis to be an assistant for
Penny Hardaway.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yes, yes, okay, eighteen jobs in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, fifty years, eighty jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Eighteen jobs sixty five to twenty twenty basically, so you're
looking at what once every three years and moving on.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, about every three years.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's time to you know, the the wolves are at
the gate. I gotta go. I gotta go before they
figure me out, all right. And here's the thing though
about Larry. Every place he ever went, he made them better.
He never left the place bad. I mean, Kansas had
no it hadn't been a relevant team in the Big
Eight till he got there. And then when he got there,
(14:38):
they won championships. And they kept winning championships. When Roy
Williams took him, took him over, and when Bill self
took him over. So that's the lineage for Kansas there,
all right. The championship games this weekend, and some thoughts
on picking the twelve teams for the CFP that next
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