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Speaker 1 (00:00):
More armageddon if Texas Tech loses to BYU were both
would likely be in the CFP, so that takes up
four slots and ultimate armageddon if Duke were to beat Virginia,
which would basically eliminate the ACC from competition in the
CFP and not only create an opportunity for the winner
(00:21):
of North Texas in Tulane to represent the highest rated
group of champion outside of the Power four, but more
than likely that would also bring James Madison into the equation,
assuming that they beat Troy. But what could even be
worse than that is if Troy were to beat James
(00:43):
Madison and Duke were to win, and a seven and
five Duke team be the twelve seed in the playoffs.
Now they would have to move past the other champions
as far as the rankings are concerned, but that likely
would happen.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I know that there's.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Going to be pundits and one of them happens to
grace these airways from eleven to two. And I enjoy
every minute of the Colin Coward Show. I'd love listening
to him because he gives me fodder for this show.
Because there's a bunch of stuff I agree with and
there's a bunch of stuff I don't. So he's of
the opinion and always has been, of the opinion that
schools like James Madison tou Lane in North Texas shouldn't
(01:22):
be nowhere near this EFP, and that no one cares
about those teams, and no matter how good of a
Cinderella story they are, just give me marquee matchups.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's all I want to see.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
College football has never been, nor should it ever be,
the NFL. It's certainly getting closer to the NFL than
it ever has before. In fact, in some ways there's
players that are making more money in college than they
ever will in the NFL, if they even make the NFL.
And I guarantee you whatever arches Inio deal is is
(01:54):
far greater than what he's going to get if he
was drafted in the fourth round. So that is the
difference that we're seeing right here. But I don't I
don't think you should have a college football playoff that
excludes non Power four champions unless we are going to
divide the FBS into two divisions, and it'd be the
Power four schools versus everybody else, and the power just
(02:17):
like we do with high school playoffs. In Texas, there's
six A Division one because of enrollment, and there's six
A Division two because of less enrollment. In college it
would be FBS based on revenue and FBS based on
less revenue. But then you would have an issue within
your own conference because with Oklahoma State, for example, be
(02:41):
an FBS Power four Division one program or a Division
two program. And let's not forget about thirteen fourteen years ago,
they were a parentally top five team and this year
they're rated as the second worst team in college football
as far as the FBS is concerned. So there's going
to be a lot of power for different schools that
(03:01):
don't have the revenue to compete with other power for
conference schools. And you know, how would you have leve
if you were an American Conference team that was good,
or you were even a Sun Belt or Conference USA
opponent that was a team that was pretty good. How
would you have liked to had Oklahoma State or Colorado
or Maryland on your schedule power four schools that don't
(03:25):
have power for football teams.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and I think you know, using your using your
Texas high school analogy there, I think there's there are
a good bit of four A schools that could beat
five A school there's some maybe three A schools that
could hang with five A schools. It's really just the
extremes of the six a's and the six man schools
(03:50):
can't compete with each other, but everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
The margins are not that wide.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, but but they did. They do it for a
number of reasons. One, we're in the everybody gets a
trophy to begin with number one. But number two, we're
also in it because statistically speaking, it's not fair for
a school that's got two thousand students to compete with
a school that's.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Got four thousand students, for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But then you have Lee High School in San Antonio
that's been a magnet school for the drama stuff, and
those students get counted as far as who Lee has
to play, and they have no.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Business in the district and the league that they're ever in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So you have those things as well, but you also
have different philosophies in different communities. In Allen, they're never
going to break up the school. They don't care if
they have twenty thousand kids on campus. We're gonna have
twenty thousand kids because we're gonna have the best football
team we can get, and in San Antonio, once in
school gets to twenty five hundred kids, then we build
(04:48):
another school so that they divide all that up. And
you're never going to have a major, powerful football program
that can compete outside of the region unless you just
get really, really lucky and have eight or nine blue
chip players on your roster at one point.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
You know, as far as Cowherd saying he doesn't want
to see any of the non power for schools anywhere
near the playoff, I would love to know how Colin
Cowherd separates a team like Notre Dame with no conference,
a team like Oregon who played the weakest part of
a good conference, and a team like BYU, who has
(05:24):
the best win of any of these three schools and
is ranked lower than Notre Dame and Oregon. Like it's
it's all inconsistency, and if you try to create some
separate group that says no, no, no, no, these are the
good schools. I mean, we were talking about it on Tuesday.
Oregon's best win on the year is against USC.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, but here's the other part of the Devil's avoc
go with him a lot too. Yeah, Indiana has never
been anything in football since the beginning of their football
program until I allowed them to hire Kurt Signetti and
pay their players what the rest of the Big Ten
is playing. And they decided, we get a good coach,
and we invest in our program financially, we can be good.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And they have. But I guarantee you it's upset a.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Lot of the blue bloods, and it's come at the
expense of Nebraska and Wisconsin and to a certain extent
in Michigan as they battle out of the Jim Harbaugh era.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Throw Iowa. Throw Iowa in there.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All these schools that are traditionally the football teams of
the Big Ten are now being challenged by a basketball
school that's got money.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And also a school that had less football heritage than
Boise State. Up until two years ago or a season
and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They had less football heritage than anybody in the Big
Eight other than Kansas. Yeah, they are the Big twelve
or whatever conference you or even the Southwest Conference.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They were never relevant.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean, like I've said before, my line of demarcation
of watching sports was nineteen seventy one. I have a
pretty memory of sports that I watch from seventy one
to twenty five, So that's fifty four years. So I
don't know what they did in the fifties and sixties,
but I never saw them on any black and white
video reel. Indiana has been irrelevant in football for the
(07:14):
majority of my sports watching life, and now they're good
because they're paying players.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And again thinking about the you know, never wanting to
see one of the smaller conference schools in a playoff.
I know it's impossible to do because of the rich
heritage of Notre Dame, But if you remove the past
years and what you think of that program, and you
just look at Notre Dame as a team without a conference,
(07:43):
a team that lost its first two games of the
season and then ran the table over teams like the
Purdue who is in the bottom twenty five, Like we
talked about Arkansas, who's in the bottom twenty five, Boston College, Boise,
who's having.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
A down year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The only game Notre Dame has on their resume is
the same one Oregon has a win over USC So
why why is Notre Dame even higher than well?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Why is one of the smaller college Why is it
Notre Dame forced to join a conference to be a
part of this exactly, and I understand that. Okay, it's tradition,
and let's face it, the reason Notre Dame wants to
stay independent is because of the NBC contract where they
keep all of the revenue and don't have to share
it with anyone. Figure out a way to put them
in the Big ten and let them keep their of
(08:33):
their home games, or tell them.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You're not eligible only teams with conferences or that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But then you're going to get the the nationwide Notre
Dame fan base that's coast to coast and border to
border that are going to really have a fit about that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, but there's more of us than them, because that's
where you could actually get an allegiance between you know,
right now the allegiance is Big ten SEC versus everybody else.
Then you might have some acc Big twelve group of
six support along with Big ten and SEC to be like, look,
we've all got There has to be some consistency. You said,
(09:09):
it's not the NFL yet, But the one thing the
NFL does, when I look at the teams that are
playing in the playoffs, I know exactly why they are there.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And also there's always been bad teams in the NFL,
the Browns and the Lions, but occasionally they're decent and
and I think it's the Brian. The Browns, the Lions
and the Jaguars are the only three teams that have
never been to the Super Bowl, and the Texans but
the uh so so those three teams have never been
to the super Bowl, but they have an opportunity to
(09:37):
do so if they manage their their team right. And
now all of the Power four schools have that opportunity.
So from my standpoint, you have to let the non
Power four conferences play ball, even though they're likely not
to win a conference playoff game, But what if they do.
That's when the that's when March Madness becomes December madness,
(09:58):
and that's the That's what I think a lot of
people want to see us. For a two lane team
to go into Oddson and win, or North Texas to
go to Ole Miss and win.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That that would be that would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, and we love the Cinderellas in the basketball tournament,
not because they win the national championship or even make
the Final four. That's incredibly where they be Duke, it's
because they get one win for maybe two and make
a sweet Sessa.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What Colin will tell you, and he's right, is that
when George Mason or Loyola Chicago makes the Final four,
their games don't have the TV ratings that Duke of
North Carolina and Villanova have.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Which again, the NFL doesn't care about that because they
it's actual competition determining those slots exactly. College sports should
not be for TV ratings. It should be for competition,
and the TV ratings aren't that far apart.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, it's is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It is different, but it's not a significant difference, all right.
Yanna's on the move perhaps and the demotion of Chris
Paul that coming up.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's a five point thirty two on the ticket.
More armageddon if Texas Tech loses to BYU were both
would likely be in the CFP, so that takes up
four slots and ultimate armageddon if Duke were to beat Virginia,
which would basically eliminate the ACC from competition in the
CFP and not only create an opportunity for the winner
(00:21):
of North Texas in Tulane to represent the highest rated
group of champion outside of the Power four, but more
than likely that would also bring James Madison into the equation,
assuming that they beat Troy. But what could even be
worse than that is if Troy were to beat James
(00:43):
Madison and Duke were to win, and a seven and
five Duke team be the twelve seed in the playoffs.
Now they would have to move past the other champions
as far as the rankings are concerned, but that likely
would happen.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And I know that there's.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Going to be pundits and one of them happens to
grace these airways from eleven to two. And I enjoy
every minute of the Colin Coward Show. I'd love listening
to him because he gives me fodder for this show.
Because there's a bunch of stuff I agree with and
there's a bunch of stuff I don't. So he's of
the opinion and always has been, of the opinion that
schools like James Madison tou Lane in North Texas shouldn't
(01:22):
be nowhere near this EFP, and that no one cares
about those teams, and no matter how good of a
Cinderella story they are, just give me marquee matchups.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's all I want to see.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
College football has never been, nor should it ever be,
the NFL. It's certainly getting closer to the NFL than
it ever has before. In fact, in some ways there's
players that are making more money in college than they
ever will in the NFL, if they even make the NFL.
And I guarantee you whatever arches Inio deal is is
(01:54):
far greater than what he's going to get if he
was drafted in the fourth round. So that is the
difference that we're seeing right here. But I don't I
don't think you should have a college football playoff that
excludes non Power four champions unless we are going to
divide the FBS into two divisions, and it'd be the
Power four schools versus everybody else, and the power just
(02:17):
like we do with high school playoffs. In Texas, there's
six A Division one because of enrollment, and there's six
A Division two because of less enrollment. In college it
would be FBS based on revenue and FBS based on
less revenue. But then you would have an issue within
your own conference because with Oklahoma State, for example, be
(02:41):
an FBS Power four Division one program or a Division
two program. And let's not forget about thirteen fourteen years ago,
they were a parentally top five team and this year
they're rated as the second worst team in college football
as far as the FBS is concerned. So there's going
to be a lot of power for different schools that
(03:01):
don't have the revenue to compete with other power for
conference schools. And you know, how would you have leve
if you were an American Conference team that was good,
or you were even a Sun Belt or Conference USA
opponent that was a team that was pretty good. How
would you have liked to had Oklahoma State or Colorado
or Maryland on your schedule power four schools that don't
(03:25):
have power for football teams.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and I think you know, using your using your
Texas high school analogy there, I think there's there are
a good bit of four A schools that could beat
five A school there's some maybe three A schools that
could hang with five A schools. It's really just the
extremes of the six a's and the six man schools
(03:50):
can't compete with each other, but everyone else is.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
The margins are not that wide.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
No, but but they did. They do it for a
number of reasons. One, we're in the everybody gets a
trophy to begin with number one. But number two, we're
also in it because statistically speaking, it's not fair for
a school that's got two thousand students to compete with
a school that's.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Got four thousand students, for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But then you have Lee High School in San Antonio
that's been a magnet school for the drama stuff, and
those students get counted as far as who Lee has
to play, and they have no.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Business in the district and the league that they're ever in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So you have those things as well, but you also
have different philosophies in different communities. In Allen, they're never
going to break up the school. They don't care if
they have twenty thousand kids on campus. We're gonna have
twenty thousand kids because we're gonna have the best football
team we can get, and in San Antonio, once in
school gets to twenty five hundred kids, then we build
(04:48):
another school so that they divide all that up. And
you're never going to have a major, powerful football program
that can compete outside of the region unless you just
get really, really lucky and have eight or nine blue
chip players on your roster at one point.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
You know, as far as Cowherd saying he doesn't want
to see any of the non power for schools anywhere
near the playoff, I would love to know how Colin
Cowherd separates a team like Notre Dame with no conference,
a team like Oregon who played the weakest part of
a good conference, and a team like BYU, who has
(05:24):
the best win of any of these three schools and
is ranked lower than Notre Dame and Oregon. Like it's
it's all inconsistency, and if you try to create some
separate group that says no, no, no, no, these are the
good schools. I mean, we were talking about it on Tuesday.
Oregon's best win on the year is against USC.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, but here's the other part of the Devil's avoc
go with him a lot too. Yeah, Indiana has never
been anything in football since the beginning of their football
program until I allowed them to hire Kurt Signetti and
pay their players what the rest of the Big Ten
is playing. And they decided, we get a good coach,
and we invest in our program financially, we can be good.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And they have. But I guarantee you it's upset a.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Lot of the blue bloods, and it's come at the
expense of Nebraska and Wisconsin and to a certain extent
in Michigan as they battle out of the Jim Harbaugh era.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Throw Iowa. Throw Iowa in there.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
All these schools that are traditionally the football teams of
the Big Ten are now being challenged by a basketball
school that's got money.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And also a school that had less football heritage than
Boise State. Up until two years ago or a season
and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They had less football heritage than anybody in the Big
Eight other than Kansas. Yeah, they are the Big twelve
or whatever conference you or even the Southwest Conference.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They were never relevant.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean, like I've said before, my line of demarcation
of watching sports was nineteen seventy one. I have a
pretty memory of sports that I watch from seventy one
to twenty five, So that's fifty four years. So I
don't know what they did in the fifties and sixties,
but I never saw them on any black and white
video reel. Indiana has been irrelevant in football for the
(07:14):
majority of my sports watching life, and now they're good
because they're paying players.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And again thinking about the you know, never wanting to
see one of the smaller conference schools in a playoff.
I know it's impossible to do because of the rich
heritage of Notre Dame, But if you remove the past
years and what you think of that program, and you
just look at Notre Dame as a team without a conference,
(07:43):
a team that lost its first two games of the
season and then ran the table over teams like the
Purdue who is in the bottom twenty five, Like we
talked about Arkansas, who's in the bottom twenty five, Boston College, Boise,
who's having.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
A down year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The only game Notre Dame has on their resume is
the same one Oregon has a win over USC So
why why is Notre Dame even higher than well?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Why is one of the smaller college Why is it
Notre Dame forced to join a conference to be a
part of this exactly, and I understand that. Okay, it's tradition,
and let's face it, the reason Notre Dame wants to
stay independent is because of the NBC contract where they
keep all of the revenue and don't have to share
it with anyone. Figure out a way to put them
in the Big ten and let them keep their of
(08:33):
their home games, or tell them.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You're not eligible only teams with conferences or that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But then you're going to get the the nationwide Notre
Dame fan base that's coast to coast and border to
border that are going to really have a fit about that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, but there's more of us than them, because that's
where you could actually get an allegiance between you know,
right now the allegiance is Big ten SEC versus everybody else.
Then you might have some acc Big twelve group of
six support along with Big ten and SEC to be like, look,
we've all got There has to be some consistency. You said,
(09:09):
it's not the NFL yet, But the one thing the
NFL does, when I look at the teams that are
playing in the playoffs, I know exactly why they are there.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And also there's always been bad teams in the NFL,
the Browns and the Lions, but occasionally they're decent and
and I think it's the Brian. The Browns, the Lions
and the Jaguars are the only three teams that have
never been to the Super Bowl, and the Texans but
the uh so so those three teams have never been
to the super Bowl, but they have an opportunity to
(09:37):
do so if they manage their their team right. And
now all of the Power four schools have that opportunity.
So from my standpoint, you have to let the non
Power four conferences play ball, even though they're likely not
to win a conference playoff game, But what if they do.
That's when the that's when March Madness becomes December madness,
(09:58):
and that's the That's what I think a lot of
people want to see us. For a two lane team
to go into Oddson and win, or North Texas to
go to Ole Miss and win.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
That that would be that would be interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Well, and we love the Cinderellas in the basketball tournament,
not because they win the national championship or even make
the Final four. That's incredibly where they be Duke, it's
because they get one win for maybe two and make
a sweet Sessa.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
What Colin will tell you, and he's right, is that
when George Mason or Loyola Chicago makes the Final four,
their games don't have the TV ratings that Duke of
North Carolina and Villanova have.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Which again, the NFL doesn't care about that because they
it's actual competition determining those slots exactly. College sports should
not be for TV ratings. It should be for competition,
and the TV ratings aren't that far apart.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, it's is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It is different, but it's not a significant difference, all right.
Yanna's on the move perhaps and the demotion of Chris
Paul that coming up.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's a five point thirty two on the ticket.
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