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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it's four nineteen. It's the Andy Everag Show
on the tickets. They are spending money like crazy in
Oklahoma these days. Maybe we need casino gambling here like
they have up there.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I mean we kind of do.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We don't have it here, Well we have, we have
all the way west. We have.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, they have it on every corner in Oklahoma. Basically, Wow,
there's like, there's a reason four casinos and within ten
miles of the Thunder's Arena. But there's a reason for that, though, Andy,
what's the reason. Aren't those Indian reservations?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yes, they of course they aren't, that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But they still are to have them, and they still
tax them, and they still make a ton of money
off of them. Yeah, I'm telling you no reason why
you couldn't do it here. All take put somebody in
Austin to say, let's make some money.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm just saying, yeah, I know, you're just saying, we're
going to be one of the very very We're going
to be the last one. We're going to be the
very last one.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, well, there's a million reasons why. But we're
missing out on so much tax money. I mean, we're
talking in the billions of tax dollars that we we
could be having, but no, we don't want to go
down that road. So the thunder this about a month,
about three weeks ago, right after the championship was over,
(01:18):
they signed up Shay Gilgess Alexander for four years that
averages out to seventy two million.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Dollars a year. Wasn't it like last week? It was
about ten days ago.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think it was two a week or two when
right after the draft or right around the draft they
gave him the big contract extension. Then yesterday they gave
Chet Honggan forty nine million dollars a year for the
next five years. And today they said, Hi, Jay Dubb,
how would you like to make fifty seven million for
the next five years?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Sign here? And so they did.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And so next year, the twenty five to twenty six season,
this upcoming season, those contracts don't all kick in. And
now for j Dub and for Chet, the big contract
starts next year. For Shay it doesn't start until twenty
seven to twenty eight, correct, So for this year they're
at one hundred and seventy two million, five hundred and
(02:14):
ninety five thousand dollars they're about eighteen million over the
salary cap. Give her to take a few dollars here
or there, No big deal. They're not in the tax
apron yet because that kicked. The first ones at one
ninety and the second ones at two oh six were
in the ballpark of So they're gonna be fine for
next year. But this time, after the season is over
(02:36):
next year, they have some decisions to make on the
twenty six to twenty seven season, because that is when
the forty nine million will go to Chet and the
fifty seven million will go to j Dub And poor
Shay's only going to make forty point eight the first
year of those.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Two guys contracts he getting. I don't think he can
make it. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The following year he starts at sixty three and escalates
all the way up to seventy nine. But in the
twenty six twenty seven season, you will have Shay at
forty point eight, you will have you have Jay Dub
at fifty seven, and you'll have Chad at forty nine
and change.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So let me do some quick math here.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, that's basically what the payroll would already be
at one hundred, one hundred and forty nine.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, it will be one hundred and forty seven
million between those three players. Yeah, So you also have
Isaiah Hartenstein on the books next year for twenty eight
and a half, Lou Dort for seventeen point seven, Isaiah
Joe for eleven point three, Wiggins at eight are almost nine,
Caruso at twenty, and Wallace and Kendrick Williams at around
(03:48):
seven about fourteen point five. And you have the other
Jalen Williams at.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, he would be off the books, he would be Yeah,
he would be.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Done topitch and then Dylan Joe would be theoretically the
only ones that would be on that Courrester.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Most of those are team options.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, And as he said, osmani jang is that how
we're pronouncing it. It's Usman Jang, Usman jangs. Me, all right,
I'll go, I'll go. I know about the jang part.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I just think the.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Usmann is it's Usman Usman Jang. So anyway, they're they're
gone too. So anyway, going into this time next year,
as the Thunder project their twenty six twenty seven season,
they will be at two hundred and fifty six million,
dollars That would be at least about forty five million
(04:38):
dollars over the second apron and they will be heavily
taxed and heavily penalized if that roster doesn't change. So,
going into the twenty six twenty seven season, not only
do you have those three players making one hundred and
forty seven million dollars, what are you going to do
about Hartenstein? What are you going to do about Dort
(04:58):
And what are you going to do about Walla Williams
and Isaiah Joe and Alex Caruso and Aaron Wiggins? Because
that's where your other one hundred million dollars comes from.
So I would not be at all surprised that if
at some point after the season is over that one
of the big three is on the trading block. And honestly,
(05:20):
I just don't think that the I think the only
one that you could legitimately move would be Homegren. And
are you going to want Are other teams going to
want home Gren and his fifty million dollars a year
deal if he is only going to play in half
the games this year or maybe not get to seventy
or seventy five. The best case scenario for the Thunder,
(05:43):
while they would love to win another championship, is for
all three of those guys to play eighty games and
have zero injuries. Now, there is a trend, and I
don't wish this on anybody, but there is a trend
the last few years for a lot of players of
star power to get an Achilles injury or an ACL
injury ACL injury that gets them out for an extended
(06:05):
period of time. We've already been told that Hartenstein are
that not Hartenstein, but Halliburton. Haliburton will not play next year,
that Kyrie likely won't be back until March, and that
Dame is in the March April window of coming back
for next year. So the worst case scenario for the
(06:26):
Thunder is if one of those players has an injury
that takes a year to heal, because then you can't
trade them, and then they're also kind of dead cat
money for a while. So the Thunder get to celebrate
these signings and those signings don't kick in till next year.
But I think there's a really good thought here that
(06:49):
chat Holmgren may never collect that money from Oklahoma City.
They'll actually be getting it from another team who he's
traded to. I just think that it's easier to trade
postplay and and tall guys and it is wings. And
I think the wing players are more important, uh than
what check for that offense. I think having another guy
on the wing that that Shae can get the ball
(07:11):
to is is more important than having Chet. And then
they can go draft the big or they can go
draft somebody else to replace them. But I can't imagine
that this roster is going to stay intact after this
coming season.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, you know, two things you can kind of look
at where what we thought was a little dumb to say,
but also thinking about it now, the the the Denver
Nuggets president, I forget which, uh Cronky Yeah, Josh or
whichever one it was when he.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Theoretically it was Josh Conky the sun Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Where he theoretically put out there for no reason whatsoever
he may have is like, hey, barring a dramatic injury,
whether it's at the time Michael Porter Junior or Jamal
Murray or even Jokic, when we get into that second
apron somewhere that we don't want to be, you know,
being put in this scenario of possibly do you have
(08:06):
to come up with that, and now you can think about,
like how you just said, if one of these guys
is not healthy, now you're putting the detriment on the
team because you're going to be in the second April.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, Denver's going to be there right now. They have
almost two hundred million dollars on their payroll for this
coming season, and they don't have and most of those
players are not expiring. Well Westbrook opted out, so you
can knock it down to one ninety five, but everybody
else on that roster is still here, and they're going
to be about one ninety six, so they're right at
(08:40):
the first apron or just about over the first apron
if they don't make roster moves, and Jokich, Murray, and
Porter and Gordon are taking up the majority of that roster.
Everybody else is under ten million except for those four guys.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And that's why they also shipped Michael Porter Junior out,
you know, for being injured in the playoffs as well. Well,
I look at it as it would not surprise me. Yes,
they paid all of these players, they paid Jadub, they
paid Chet, but it also makes it a lot easier
in the in the standpoint of to make money work
(09:15):
if you want to potentially go and say, hey, Milwaukee
will give you Chet and and the and the capital
that you want because we've got forty million draft picks,
We'll give you Chet, and it makes that money work
a lot easier in that ass.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, what I just think that what you what you're
gonna get is uh I would if you are going
to trade Chet, you're basically hoping that you can trade
him for players who with expiring contracts, because I think
if you don't have Chet, but you still keep Shay
and you still keep Jadub, you can give the money
to Wallace and to Caruso and to Hartenstein and those guys,
(09:53):
keep those guys around and still have a six or
seven man roster that you can trust.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
If you decide to.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Keep Chet, you got to you got Jedtis and everybody else,
and then go out and get minimum wage players. Now,
minimum wage in the NBA is three million bucks so
or whatever your veteran minimum could be or your rookie
minimum is. But you're basically going to have nine guys
on your roster that you can't trust because they've ever
played the league before the other and then you're just
(10:19):
going to have kind of a three headed deal. I
thought Hartenstein was critical to the Thunder's run this year,
as was Caruso. Do you really want to get rid
of those two guys when collectively they make they don't
even they make less than what Holmgren does. I'd rather
keep those two and not have Homegroun than to not
have those.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Two and keep Chet. And it's nothing against Chet.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think he's a good player, and he's not Wimby,
but he's in the ballpark with the things that he
can do that nobody else can do. But you cannot
keep three fifty million dollar players. And that's what the
thunder are going to be up against, and every team
is going to be up against this. And we illustrated
earlier in the week what the Spurs the limit is
going to be. If they have Wimby at sixty five
million and they have Castle around forty five to fifty
(11:02):
and they have a deer in Fox in the high fifties,
they're going to be in the same boat in a
couple of years, and you're going to have to move
players around in order to be able to field a
roster that can still make your team competitive.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well just I mean because again, look at what Boston
had to do this year or this offseason to jettison
a lot of that salary. Is they were like at
two hundred and twenty two million, it was going to
cost the owners, the new owners, about five hundred million dollars,
you know, in luxury attacks for being in that second apron.
(11:34):
It is the owner of the Oklahoma City thunder fine
with shelling out that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, he's not done. I don't think any owner is.
I don't think Matt Ishbie is, even though he's paying
seventeen coaches right now that aren't there there anymore?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Are you on the payroll? You might? I would like
to be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm available if he just wants to send money my way,
I'll sign up.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What do you need me to do?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But I don't coach well because I messed up when
I was in when I was twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up something to you that
you probably haven't seen from the big bang.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Let it go with this, it go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We were better than they were, all right, Uh, the
order of finish, the fifteen places in the playoffs are
in the standings for next year. I think I've figured
out what the standings are going to be. But all
of this is barring no major injuries and just by
what I'm looking at from the roster acquisitions that have
(12:29):
been made. We'll get to all of that coming up.
It's the Andy Everage show on the ticket
All right, it's four nineteen. It's the Andy Everag Show
on the tickets. They are spending money like crazy in
Oklahoma these days. Maybe we need casino gambling here like
they have up there.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I mean we kind of do.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We don't have it here, Well we have, we have
all the way west. We have.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, they have it on every corner in Oklahoma. Basically, Wow,
there's like, there's a reason four casinos and within ten
miles of the Thunder's Arena. But there's a reason for that, though, Andy,
what's the reason. Aren't those Indian reservations?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yes, they of course they aren't, that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
But they still are to have them, and they still
tax them, and they still make a ton of money
off of them. Yeah, I'm telling you no reason why
you couldn't do it here. All take put somebody in
Austin to say, let's make some money.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm just saying, yeah, I know, you're just saying, we're
going to be one of the very very We're going
to be the last one. We're going to be the
very last one.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Andy.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, well, there's a million reasons why. But we're
missing out on so much tax money. I mean, we're
talking in the billions of tax dollars that we we
could be having, but no, we don't want to go
down that road. So the thunder this about a month,
about three weeks ago, right after the championship was over,
(01:18):
they signed up Shay Gilgess Alexander for four years that
averages out to seventy two million.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Dollars a year. Wasn't it like last week? It was
about ten days ago.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think it was two a week or two when
right after the draft or right around the draft they
gave him the big contract extension. Then yesterday they gave
Chet Honggan forty nine million dollars a year for the
next five years. And today they said, Hi, Jay Dubb,
how would you like to make fifty seven million for
the next five years?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Sign here? And so they did.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And so next year, the twenty five to twenty six season,
this upcoming season, those contracts don't all kick in. And
now for j Dub and for Chet, the big contract
starts next year. For Shay it doesn't start until twenty
seven to twenty eight, correct, So for this year they're
at one hundred and seventy two million, five hundred and
(02:14):
ninety five thousand dollars they're about eighteen million over the
salary cap. Give her to take a few dollars here
or there, No big deal. They're not in the tax
apron yet because that kicked. The first ones at one
ninety and the second ones at two oh six were
in the ballpark of So they're gonna be fine for
next year. But this time, after the season is over
(02:36):
next year, they have some decisions to make on the
twenty six to twenty seven season, because that is when
the forty nine million will go to Chet and the
fifty seven million will go to j Dub And poor
Shay's only going to make forty point eight the first
year of those.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Two guys contracts he getting. I don't think he can
make it. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The following year he starts at sixty three and escalates
all the way up to seventy nine. But in the
twenty six twenty seven season, you will have Shay at
forty point eight, you will have you have Jay Dub
at fifty seven, and you'll have Chad at forty nine
and change.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So let me do some quick math here.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I mean, that's basically what the payroll would already be
at one hundred, one hundred and forty nine.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, it will be one hundred and forty seven
million between those three players. Yeah, So you also have
Isaiah Hartenstein on the books next year for twenty eight
and a half, Lou Dort for seventeen point seven, Isaiah
Joe for eleven point three, Wiggins at eight are almost nine,
Caruso at twenty, and Wallace and Kendrick Williams at around
(03:48):
seven about fourteen point five. And you have the other
Jalen Williams at.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, he would be off the books, he would be Yeah,
he would be.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Done topitch and then Dylan Joe would be theoretically the
only ones that would be on that Courrester.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Most of those are team options.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, And as he said, osmani jang is that how
we're pronouncing it. It's Usman Jang, Usman jangs. Me, all right,
I'll go, I'll go. I know about the jang part.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I just think the.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Usmann is it's Usman Usman Jang. So anyway, they're they're
gone too. So anyway, going into this time next year,
as the Thunder project their twenty six twenty seven season,
they will be at two hundred and fifty six million,
dollars That would be at least about forty five million
(04:38):
dollars over the second apron and they will be heavily
taxed and heavily penalized if that roster doesn't change. So,
going into the twenty six twenty seven season, not only
do you have those three players making one hundred and
forty seven million dollars, what are you going to do
about Hartenstein? What are you going to do about Dort
(04:58):
And what are you going to do about Walla Williams
and Isaiah Joe and Alex Caruso and Aaron Wiggins? Because
that's where your other one hundred million dollars comes from.
So I would not be at all surprised that if
at some point after the season is over that one
of the big three is on the trading block. And honestly,
(05:20):
I just don't think that the I think the only
one that you could legitimately move would be Homegren. And
are you going to want Are other teams going to
want home Gren and his fifty million dollars a year
deal if he is only going to play in half
the games this year or maybe not get to seventy
or seventy five. The best case scenario for the Thunder,
(05:43):
while they would love to win another championship, is for
all three of those guys to play eighty games and
have zero injuries. Now, there is a trend, and I
don't wish this on anybody, but there is a trend
the last few years for a lot of players of
star power to get an Achilles injury or an ACL
injury ACL injury that gets them out for an extended
(06:05):
period of time. We've already been told that Hartenstein are
that not Hartenstein, but Halliburton. Haliburton will not play next year,
that Kyrie likely won't be back until March, and that
Dame is in the March April window of coming back
for next year. So the worst case scenario for the
(06:26):
Thunder is if one of those players has an injury
that takes a year to heal, because then you can't
trade them, and then they're also kind of dead cat
money for a while. So the Thunder get to celebrate
these signings and those signings don't kick in till next year.
But I think there's a really good thought here that
(06:49):
chat Holmgren may never collect that money from Oklahoma City.
They'll actually be getting it from another team who he's
traded to. I just think that it's easier to trade
postplay and and tall guys and it is wings. And
I think the wing players are more important, uh than
what check for that offense. I think having another guy
on the wing that that Shae can get the ball
(07:11):
to is is more important than having Chet. And then
they can go draft the big or they can go
draft somebody else to replace them. But I can't imagine
that this roster is going to stay intact after this
coming season.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, you know, two things you can kind of look
at where what we thought was a little dumb to say,
but also thinking about it now, the the the Denver
Nuggets president, I forget which, uh Cronky Yeah, Josh or
whichever one it was when he.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Theoretically it was Josh Conky the sun Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Where he theoretically put out there for no reason whatsoever
he may have is like, hey, barring a dramatic injury,
whether it's at the time Michael Porter Junior or Jamal
Murray or even Jokic, when we get into that second
apron somewhere that we don't want to be, you know,
being put in this scenario of possibly do you have
(08:06):
to come up with that, and now you can think about,
like how you just said, if one of these guys
is not healthy, now you're putting the detriment on the
team because you're going to be in the second April.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, Denver's going to be there right now. They have
almost two hundred million dollars on their payroll for this
coming season, and they don't have and most of those
players are not expiring. Well Westbrook opted out, so you
can knock it down to one ninety five, but everybody
else on that roster is still here, and they're going
to be about one ninety six, so they're right at
(08:40):
the first apron or just about over the first apron
if they don't make roster moves, and Jokich, Murray, and
Porter and Gordon are taking up the majority of that roster.
Everybody else is under ten million except for those four guys.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And that's why they also shipped Michael Porter Junior out,
you know, for being injured in the playoffs as well. Well,
I look at it as it would not surprise me. Yes,
they paid all of these players, they paid Jadub, they
paid Chet, but it also makes it a lot easier
in the in the standpoint of to make money work
(09:15):
if you want to potentially go and say, hey, Milwaukee
will give you Chet and and the and the capital
that you want because we've got forty million draft picks,
We'll give you Chet, and it makes that money work
a lot easier in that ass.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, what I just think that what you what you're
gonna get is uh I would if you are going
to trade Chet, you're basically hoping that you can trade
him for players who with expiring contracts, because I think
if you don't have Chet, but you still keep Shay
and you still keep Jadub, you can give the money
to Wallace and to Caruso and to Hartenstein and those guys,
(09:53):
keep those guys around and still have a six or
seven man roster that you can trust.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
If you decide to.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Keep Chet, you got to you got Jedtis and everybody else,
and then go out and get minimum wage players. Now,
minimum wage in the NBA is three million bucks so
or whatever your veteran minimum could be or your rookie
minimum is. But you're basically going to have nine guys
on your roster that you can't trust because they've ever
played the league before the other and then you're just
(10:19):
going to have kind of a three headed deal. I
thought Hartenstein was critical to the Thunder's run this year,
as was Caruso. Do you really want to get rid
of those two guys when collectively they make they don't
even they make less than what Holmgren does. I'd rather
keep those two and not have Homegroun than to not
have those.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Two and keep Chet. And it's nothing against Chet.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think he's a good player, and he's not Wimby,
but he's in the ballpark with the things that he
can do that nobody else can do. But you cannot
keep three fifty million dollar players. And that's what the
thunder are going to be up against, and every team
is going to be up against this. And we illustrated
earlier in the week what the Spurs the limit is
going to be. If they have Wimby at sixty five
million and they have Castle around forty five to fifty
(11:02):
and they have a deer in Fox in the high fifties,
they're going to be in the same boat in a
couple of years, and you're going to have to move
players around in order to be able to field a
roster that can still make your team competitive.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well just I mean because again, look at what Boston
had to do this year or this offseason to jettison
a lot of that salary. Is they were like at
two hundred and twenty two million, it was going to
cost the owners, the new owners, about five hundred million dollars,
you know, in luxury attacks for being in that second apron.
(11:34):
It is the owner of the Oklahoma City thunder fine
with shelling out that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, he's not done. I don't think any owner is.
I don't think Matt Ishbie is, even though he's paying
seventeen coaches right now that aren't there there anymore?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Are you on the payroll? You might? I would like
to be.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I'm available if he just wants to send money my way,
I'll sign up.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What do you need me to do?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But I don't coach well because I messed up when
I was in when I was twelve years old.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up something to you that
you probably haven't seen from the big bang.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Let it go with this, it go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We were better than they were, all right, Uh, the
order of finish, the fifteen places in the playoffs are
in the standings for next year. I think I've figured
out what the standings are going to be. But all
of this is barring no major injuries and just by
what I'm looking at from the roster acquisitions that have
(12:29):
been made. We'll get to all of that coming up.
It's the Andy Everage show on the ticket
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.