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Speaker 1 (00:02):
About two weeks ago, maybe three, I came up with
an idea and I had not heard anybody say this
until I said it.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now everybody's saying it.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I think it's been longer than that. I want to
say we've been talking maybe in a month on a
few months.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
But I believe that with the current state of the
football recruiting in IL, all those kind of things that
players need to be signed to contracts. Jay billis, We're
going to play a cut from Jay Billis, And I.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't want to make football and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Basketball and baseball and softball players employees at the school.
There's a lot of students that go to school and
have a job on campus somewhere doing something. But I
think there's too much of a Pandora's box to make
them employees and take out taxes and all that kind
of stuff as players. But I have said for a
long time that they need to sign some kind of
a commitment contract, and I think it needs to be
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signed in good faith that if the player turns out
to be a bust and wants to go to a
lesser school someplace, that the coach should have the common
sense to say, yeah, you can't play for me. You're
not good enough, go to the lower level and sign
off on that. But if you are going to move
up or you're going to move laterally, and we can
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define what that is. Basically, if you're in a group
of five school and you go to a group of
five school, that's a lateral move. If you're in a
group of five school and you go to Division two
or FCS or inn AIA or wherever, that's not a
lateral move. That's what you're going down because you're not
good enough to play where you're at. But if you're
going to make a lateral move, or if you're going
to go up to another conference power for a conference,
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then you should be in a position to have to
buy yourself out or have the school that you're going
to buy you out.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Let's hear what.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Jay Billis has to say, basically the same thing I have,
but here it comes from college Basketball's or one of
their most trusted voices.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The NSAA used to die on the hill of amateurism
in court. Now they're dying on the employment hill. They
can't be employees. We can't have them as employees. Don't
understand that because students are employees at every school in
the country in different capacities non athlete students. But if
they would just sign the players to contracts, say hey,
we're willing to offer you a three year deal with
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an option for a fourth. If you get arrested, we
get to terminate. You have to it's mandatory class attendance.
You have to do this, this, and this, and there's
going to be a buyout in there. We negotiate the
amount of the buyout. So if I wanted to leave
go somewhere else, I'd have to pay the buyout, or
my new school would have to pay the buyout.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's pretty simple. It's simple from these two perspectives.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
If you are a good player and there is a
buyout attached to you, and somebody else wants you, and
I use the trade more. Example at UTSA two years ago,
when Texas wanted him and they were willing to pay
him more than UTSA could afford.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Let's just say that out was twenty five thousand, which
is not a lot when you consider that. I don't
know what trade's making, but let's say it's two hundred.
It may be more than that, it may be less.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But if he's making two hundred five hundred whatever he's making,
then Texas has got the money to kick UTSA part
of that as well. So either Trey has to write
a check to UTSA once he gets his in I
owe money, or Texas does before he as part of
the deal. And so to me, that's a very simple,
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simple situation. And here's what I think it prevents. If
you are a player at a school and you're not
getting very much playing time and you just want to play,
and you realize, you know, I'm not good enough to
play at this level. That's pretty simple. If you're at
UTSA and you want to go or or anywhere else
for that matter. But let's use UTSA as example. If
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you're at UTSA and you realize that you're just riding
the bench the whole time. All right, I want to
go play it in card word. I want to go
play at UTRGV. I want to go play at Steven
f Austin. I want to go play at Abilene. All right,
see you have it was nice meeting you. You're no
skin off our back. You're not good enough to play here,
You're never getting minutes, you're not part of the rotation.
Have a nice life and hope you hope you succeed
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at what you're doing. I'll waive the buyout. But if
you are at UTSA and you go to Memphis TWU
Lane Middle, Tennessee, u TEP, Florida at Atlantic, Florida International, Charlotte,
either schools in your own conference or in the Conference
USA or the Mountain West, or any any lateral move,
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either you got to pay me or the school has
to pay me. Well, are you leaving because there's a
there's an open roster spot and you're mad at the
coach because he worked you too hard? All right, pay
us twenty grand. Well I don't have twenty grand. I
guess I'm gonna have to come back and actually play
and work hard and run laps and do what the
coach tells me to do and not get mad every
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time he challenges me. So you have these players to
become uncoachable because they don't like the routine or they
don't like the discipline that a coach gives them. And
I don't mean discipline in terms of you got to
do this, you got to do that, just the structure.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Of the team.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
A lot of players in high school are never yelled
at for mistakes. Get over yourself. Coaches are gonna yell
at you at for mistakes from time to time. It
happens all the time. That's just their nature it is.
It's just the way they do it. I'll give you
an example. I think I shared this example with somebody
about three or four months ago. A few years ago,
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I was playing golf with Steve Hinson, the former coach
at UTSA.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was April May.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're playing playing golf and I was playing great, and
I think I was even par through twelve holes and
I hit the worst shot of the day on thirteen.
And it was just his nature to say say something
like Andy, what was that?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You know?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Just and I was saying the same thing. Well, that
was just the coach coming.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Out of him. Because I was playing well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
He noticed I was playing well, and all of a sudden,
I didn't play well. And that's what he would have
said to a player if he'd have missed a free throw,
and he was a ninety percent free throw shooter.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's what coaches do. And guess what.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I got up and down for the bogie, and then
I went on too birdie a couple other holes and
I think I finished one or two over that day.
So coaches are going to yell or scream or get
kind of challenge you because they want to get the
best out of you, and that's the way they think
that they can do that. In high school and certainly
in junior high and Little league and all that kind
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of stuff, coaches are kind of under a bigger microscope
on what they say and how they say it and
what language they used to say it, because somebody may
go home to mommy and daddy and say that the
coach hurt my feelings, and they then he's in all
kinds of trouble. Get ready to get your feelings hurt.
If you're going to play sports, Get ready to be disciplined.
If you're going to play sports, get ready to be challenged,
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if you're going to play big time sports. Once we
put a scoreboard on there and the coach his job
is depending on what you do, you're probably gonna get
yelled at.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And if you have a.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Problem with it, you're in the wrong in the wrong
profession and the wrong sport. So if you're in a
situation where you get mad at the coach, well I'm
going to transfer. I'm gonna go to the rival school.
They got a roster spot for me, I'll just leave.
It's too easy for players just to leave. And and
so if the other school doesn't really want you, they're
not going to pay the buyout. And if you don't
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have the money for the buy out because you spent
your nil money, guess what. You got to stay and
you got to suck it up and learn to play there.
And so to me, this is one of the things
to have that buyout in there. That would prevent players
from waking up one morning and go, coach doesn't play
me enough, or coach made me run too many laps yesterday,
or coach didn't call the last play of the game
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for me, or he got mad at me when I
missed five free throws in a row, or I was
loafing in practice, And that would prevent those kind of
transfers which happen all the time. I looked yesterday on
the UTSA webs on the transfer portal website, and basically
the entire starters except for two are in the transfer portal.
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And that does necessarily mean they're going to leave. They're
maybe just testing it and they can come back. But
it's not going to be a fair fight for the
mid majors if they're putting twelve or thirteen new players
on their roster every year. And if you're in a
school where you want to demand success and you don't
have thirty million dollars or twenty two million dollars to
spread out for your revenue share and collectives that can
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do is that much or more. You're not going to
win games. You're going to perpetually be a ten to
fifteen win team. Occasionally you're going to get to sixteen
or seventeen. And if you win your conference tournament, you're
gonna get to go to the NCAA tournament. And we
may be in an era for a while where only
power fours make the Sweet sixteen and beyond. And some
of you think that's a good idea, and it might
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or may not be, but I think everybody wants to
play on a.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Competitive playing field.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And if you're going to lose a player that's really
really good simply because he got mad at the coach
and he doesn't have the means to buy himself out
and the other school doesn't, that would stop a lot
of these transfers.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, it would definitely I think it would. It would
hinder I don't know if it would stop, but it
would hinder some of these transfers because of stories like
you know, uh, what was it last year or the
year before the Lane Kiffin story at Ole Miss, where
some third string defensive lineman went into his office complaining, Hey,
you don't blame me enough. Either pay me more or
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I'm transferring. He's like, fine, go, I don't care. You know.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
It seems like that's what we're.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Getting down to these days instead of athletes, and I'll
say athletes, all athletes, not just sticking with the football,
but all athletes are Hey, if you don't want to pay,
if you're not gonna play me, then somebody else will
pay me more money.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But that I don't know if that's actually true, because
if you're if you're the best player at your position,
I'll go back to the trade more. Example, he's the
defensive player of the Year in twenty twenty three, and
he is, he's the best, he's the best. He leads
the nation in sacks at fourteen. Well, he wants to
see if he can do it at the at the
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SEC level, and Texas wants to see if he can
do it at the SEC level, and the NFL scouts
want to see if he's worth drafting as a high
pick and if he can do it at the SEC level.
And he chooses to leave, and oh, by the way,
we're going to pay you several hundred thousand dollars. That's fine,
but you, oh, in my scenario, you would owe UTSA
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fifteen twenty whatever the negotiated buyout is. Maybe after your
first year, it's a lot. After your second year, it's
a little less. After your third year, it's less than that. However,
you negotiate the buyout just like a coach does, and
so coaches can always leave when they want to, but
there's always a buyout involved so that players need to
start signing contracts and says, yes, I'm committed to go
to UTSA, that's just where i want to be, or
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I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to Texas, or
I'm gonna go to Texas.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
A and M.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And if you're going down in stature so that you
can get reps and you can get playing time, okay,
that's when we can potentially consider waving the buyout. But
if you're going because you're you're not happy, or you're
mad at the coach, or there's something that's that's not
gone your way in practice, or or you're not trying
very hard and the coach sees potential in you and
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wants to really use you, then you're either gonna have
to buy yourself out or stay put.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, if it's like you know, obviously again we'll just
stick with tray More. If trey More is going from
UTSA to Texas, then yes, I'm totally on board with
Texas compensating UTSA. And I think you should even go
a step further as far as being part of the
the nil revenue sharing. It's it's coming out of that
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particular bank account.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's not just you know, we always I.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Don't care where the bank account comes from. But what
it does is that like if you if you buy
out tray More, you can go find the next diamond
in the rough trade More if you have enough money
to pay that guy.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm on board with that.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But what I'm saying is is because you need to
you need to kind of hurt the other school for
dipping into somebody else's program. You you hit them in
that pocketbook as well. It's not just you can go
get obviously, we tout them all the time. Jeff Davis,
you can just Jeff Davis can be like, fine.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Write the check there, right, but it needs to come
out of somewhere specific and in that and in that
revenue sharing, that's where it ends up part of that
to where it counts against that that cap number for them.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, it could be or it could be.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think with with having both collectives and revenue sharing,
schools are going to say this is what we're gonna
pay you to come play here. Oh, by the way,
we have an anil collective where you may be able
to get more. We'll put you in touch with that person.
And that's gonna happen because the Texas and the Georgia's
and the Alabamas and such are still going to have
that extra money in the collective. SMU is going to
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be able to do that as well. They were doing
that in the eighties when it wasn't legal, So that's
always going to be either I don't care whether it
comes out of the collective and I don't care whether it
comes out of the revenue share. The point is is
that if UTSA goes out and recruits the next tray
More in two years from now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
He's on Texas's hit list.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Now, they're going to need some money to go replace
tray More so they can buy the next player. And
the way that they're going to do that is to
get that money from either the player that's leaving or
the school that he's going to. And that is one
thousand percent of what I think needs to happen, and
that would solve a lot of these issues. All Right,
We've got NFL Draft in two weeks and we'll talk
about the quarterback spot. There's only two in the first round,
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but could the Diamond and the rough be in the
second round.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
We'll discuss that. Next it's the Andy Everage Show on
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