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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Now, I did not realize that this was a rule
in the NBA until Steve Kerr brought it up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But apparently, if you touch.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Somebody's arm or hit somebody's arm after they've released the shot,
it's not a foul. And Steve Kerr is under the
assumption that the Rockets are trying to reinjure Steph Curry's
thumb by hitting his hand after he releases the ball.
If it's before he releases the ball, it's a foul.
(00:39):
He's going to go to the free throw line, and
that's fair game. But he says we need to change
this rule because basically, if a player is hurt, then
that gives you an opportunity to go after that injury
a little bit more without any recourse.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now here's my thought. Is the hand part of the
ball or not? It is?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, So then we should never call fouls if somebody
hits you in the hand when you're shooting or dribbling. Correct, correct, Okay,
So the hand's part.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Of the ball. So I'll live with that rule. But
I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I don't care about the situation with Steph Kurr's thumb
as much as if you intentionally hit somebody's arm after
they've released the ball, just to get them into the
thought of, please don't do that again, or don't shoot
that shot again. I think that should be a foul.
I don't think you should. Uh and and once the
ball is gone, especially if it's I saw a play
(01:35):
where I think it was Van Fleet or one of
the other Rockets players. The ball was already a third
of the way of the basket, and then he and
Steph still in the shooting forum, you know, put the pose,
and he whacks him across the army missed the wrist
and the thumb, but he was clearly trying to do that.
And I do think that I don't understand why you're
doing that in the first place. I've never known that
(01:58):
to be a rule. I've never really known somebody to
really try to voulu you after you shot, knowing you're
not going to be called for a foul.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
What they're doing is is they're letting Steph Curry know, hey,
I'm still in your space.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm still gonna come for you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So maybe what Steph Curry tries to do is maybe
he tries to get the ball out a little bit quicker,
which could possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Still makes it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
He still makes it for the most part, but maybe
he rushes a little bit more. I would tell, and
I know it's not the same sports, but I would
tell Steve Kerr be like, okay, if that's the situation,
then m M a UFC boxers, you're not allowed to
hit the guy when he has a cut. You can't
hit him there anymore. Or you can't hit a guy
(02:42):
if he you know, if he grabs his side when
you hit him in the stomach, God forbid you injure him.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I mean, I'm sure, sorry, I'm sure the Rockets
are going to try to to bump Butler in the
in the butt so that where he fell.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't have a if you're guarding somebody or pushing
somebody or hand checking and you're gonna get away with it.
But to intentionally hit somebody's arm after they let the
ball go, to me is a foul, whether it has
to do with Steph Curry's thumb or you know, anybody else.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It wouldn't be a shooting foul because it would be
after the shot, but it would still be a foul,
not a foul man.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We got to get out of this notion of cow
towing and bowing down to offensive players.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
If this is not step if but it's not a
defensive play once the ball is left.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If this is Blake Wesley and Fanasis, this isn't talked
about well because it's probably a foul.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, And they probably call a foul because they can foul.
Call a foul on those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No, it's probably if it's still the letter of the law,
They're not gonna call it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They're gonna be like, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, That's the one thing right now in the
playoffs that I am getting a little annoyed of seeing
is because you and I are both on the mindset
we love playoff basketball the way it's the referees are basically, hey,
no blood, no foul, what are you looking at me for?
And ninety percent of these players that are going to
the rim and what's normally a regular season foul, you know,
(04:07):
they miss a layup and they sit there and start complaining.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, in a regular season, if there's contact in the
lane going for a rebound, it's automatically a foul, and
it's on the team that wasn't shooting. Yeah, FLA, it's
a defensive foul. Now you can go over people's backs.
Now you can kind of push from behind. Now you
can get.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Away with a little shove here.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Because we want to be more physical, and I think
we need to find a happy medium for the regular season.
And I heard it say on the on I think
it was on Call of Today. Fans don't care, don't
want to see eighty to seventy nine, like we saw
a lot in the nineties. That's a college basketball game.
The game is eight minutes shorter, and the teams aren't
as good and the shooters are aren't as good as shooters.
(04:48):
So for a college basketball game, eighty two to seventy
nine is fine. But for a forty eight minute game
with the best players in the world, ideally the score
should be like one o seven to one oh three.
That would be a good scoring game. And if it's
overtime or there's a lot of offense down the stretch,
I think most of us basketball purists can live with
like one twenty two to one eighteen. But when it's
(05:11):
one fifty six to one forty nine and the team
that got one forty nine, you know if you score
one hundred and forty nine points, you should win by
a lot. It's because the other team gave up and quit,
and so that's what we got to avoid in the
regular season, and we do in the NFL, and football
in general has made it to where scoring is easier
(05:32):
because we want we don't want obstruction from the defense.
And the difference is is that you only have a
finite number of plays in a football game, and in
the NFL it's usually around sixty five. In college football,
it's anywhere between sixty and ninety depending on how up
tempo your team is. Like Army and the option teams
(05:54):
are still going to run sixty plays, and the teams
that are more up up tempo are going to try
to get the eighty five ninety five plays because they
think they have more depth than they can wear you
out a little bit and they can not have substitutions
as often.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But in the NBA, you're.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You've got to make sure that to allow defense to
some extent, because the best teams over the history of
the sport have always shined as defensive teams, and that
defense is usually led to offense. And I know these
guys can shoot the basketball. I don't want to go
to a game to watch or to watch on TV
(06:34):
where I basically see.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A three point shooting contest with no defense.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If you allow me to guard you and allow me
to contest you and allow me to make sure that
it's difficult for you to come off of the screen
and you still make the shot, okay, kudos to you.
But if you're just going to stand flat footed and
the guy that's allegedly guarding you as ten feet away
and isn't really trying to play defense, then that's when
the score is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Going to be what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Because all these guys do all day long, you shoo threes,
and they're good at it. And I'll still challenge anybody
to go to a game and get there early enough
to watch them warm up and see how many shots
they miss, because it's not very many.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So and that's why I'm a little dumbfounded as far
as why you think that it should be a foul, because.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That because I think it's intentionally trying to hurt somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, I don't necessarily agree that it's intently trying to
hurt somebody. It's letting somebody know, hey, this is my space. Too,
And this is me letting you.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Know, well if you guard, if I'm guarding you and
you shoot and I go for the block and I
miss and my hand grazes your arm on the way down.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But the highlight that they just showed while ago and
I could, I didn't see who the player was, but
I think it was Van Fleet for Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
He's guarding Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Curry lets the shot go, he whiffs on the attempted block.
Then he winds back up and comes back and hits
his arm, and it was clearly intentional to hit the
engine and force him out of the game. Okay, to me,
that's egregious. That's not your space. Your space is is
I tried to block your shot and I whiffed. All right,
plays over now you And if you had to hit
(08:11):
me inadvertently or grazed me as I'm shooting that shot,
that's fair game. That's not a foul if it's after
the ball has been released.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But to wind back up and.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do it again just to say this is my space,
or to switch arms and slap your wrist, to me,
that's intentionally trying to make sure that whatever is ailing
you ails you more.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So in the case of what was it in nineteen
ninety three, ninety four, emmittt. Smith separated shoulder comes back,
you don't.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's football. Football is different than basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But if those players are trying to intentionally, you know,
knock Himmett out with hey, we know he's favoring that.
Let's make sure when we tackle him, we're tackling from left.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right, so he falls on the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
If Steph Curry has an injury and you're the opponent,
you're gonna do everything you can.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Let's say let's let's say he doesn't have an injury
and you're intentionally trying to break his wrists or hurt
his wrist, and that's a different story. And that's what
But that's what it looked like they were doing. The
highlight in the water. The highlight that Steve Kerr was
was talking about showed the Houston player winding up a
(09:22):
second time after he missed on the block.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Shots. Blood in the water.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's blood in the water if you were injured, regardless
of whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Maybe it was Dylan Brooks that was doing it. It
couldn't It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But he says, I don't deny swiping in Steph Curry's
injured thumb. The NBA rules permit me to do it
if that's but I think that rule should be changed.
If you're intentionally trying to hurt somebody, then if it's
in the in the play of the game, and Steph
is the right hitted player and his thumb is hurt.
But let's say Steph wasn't hurt and you're trying to
(09:54):
hurt him, then that's where that's where we overdo it defensively.
But if I go for a loose long with collide
and you fall on the floor and you have a
concussion or you have a Bruce shoulder, tough that's part
of basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Don't know if I can get behind that one and
you just still like Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's not just that, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
We're gonna get to a point to where let's just
not play defense anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No, I want defense, but I but that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's what that that's physicality is regardless if it's trying
to it's physicality.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Physicality is fine because I liked the I didn't have
a problem with the old obstruction rule where the Pistons
were good at it. You're on the right side, you
come across the lane, you get a hip jack because
you're going across the lane.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That I did have a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That was physicality, That was letting me know that you're
in my space exactly. But but you still had to
fight to get the shot. But go back and look
at it. I think it was Dylan Brooks against Curry.
Curry shoots the shot, Dylan Brooks misses with one hand
and then takes the other hand and slaps his hand,
And that to me is an intent to hurt. And
(11:00):
I don't think defensively hip checking somebody as they come
across the lane is necessarily intent to hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Its attempt to obstruct.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And we need a little bit more physicality in the
regular season. The playoffs are going to be the playoffs.
They're not changing that. But I would like to see
fewer games in the one fifties and one sixties and
one forties. And I think there was a couple of
times this year with the Spurs scored one thirty two
and lost, yep, And that to me, if you're going
to score one thirty two, the other teamsold have like
(11:27):
ninety seven and they quit in the third quarter, and
I think we need to have a lot more attention
to I want to see more defense, but I don't
want to see defense where I'm trying to hurt the
other player.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
This is the karate kid. We're not sweeping the leg
here now.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I know there's probably some people that are saying,
but Mike, how is that any different from like the Zaza.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Petrolia that was not allowing you to land exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I would say that has more negative effects of obviously
the ankle, whether it's being in roles Klei's need or
breaking or you know, an acl And yes, the thumb
is a very important thing, but we got to get
out of this mindset of we can't let physicality be
in there. It's the rule says they can do it.
(12:15):
If they change it, fine, whatever, but the rules of
the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
More coming up five point forty seven on the ticket
Now, I did not realize that this was a rule
in the NBA until Steve Kerr brought it up.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But apparently, if you touch.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Somebody's arm or hit somebody's arm after they've released the shot,
it's not a foul. And Steve Kerr is under the
assumption that the Rockets are trying to reinjure Steph Curry's
thumb by hitting his hand after he releases the ball.
If it's before he releases the ball, it's a foul.
(00:39):
He's going to go to the free throw line, and
that's fair game. But he says we need to change
this rule because basically, if a player is hurt, then
that gives you an opportunity to go after that injury
a little bit more without any recourse.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now here's my thought. Is the hand part of the
ball or not? It is?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, So then we should never call fouls if somebody
hits you in the hand when you're shooting or dribbling. Correct, correct, Okay,
So the hand's part.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Of the ball. So I'll live with that rule. But
I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I don't care about the situation with Steph Kurr's thumb
as much as if you intentionally hit somebody's arm after
they've released the ball, just to get them into the
thought of, please don't do that again, or don't shoot
that shot again. I think that should be a foul.
I don't think you should. Uh and and once the
ball is gone, especially if it's I saw a play
(01:35):
where I think it was Van Fleet or one of
the other Rockets players. The ball was already a third
of the way of the basket, and then he and
Steph still in the shooting forum, you know, put the pose,
and he whacks him across the army missed the wrist
and the thumb, but he was clearly trying to do that.
And I do think that I don't understand why you're
doing that in the first place. I've never known that
(01:58):
to be a rule. I've never really known somebody to
really try to voulu you after you shot, knowing you're
not going to be called for a foul.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
What they're doing is is they're letting Steph Curry know, hey,
I'm still in your space.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm still gonna come for you.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
So maybe what Steph Curry tries to do is maybe
he tries to get the ball out a little bit quicker,
which could possibly.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Still makes it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
He still makes it for the most part, but maybe
he rushes a little bit more. I would tell, and
I know it's not the same sports, but I would
tell Steve Kerr be like, okay, if that's the situation,
then m M a UFC boxers, you're not allowed to
hit the guy when he has a cut. You can't
hit him there anymore. Or you can't hit a guy
(02:42):
if he you know, if he grabs his side when
you hit him in the stomach, God forbid you injure him.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I mean, I'm sure, sorry, I'm sure the Rockets
are going to try to to bump Butler in the
in the butt so that where he fell.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't have a if you're guarding somebody or pushing
somebody or hand checking and you're gonna get away with it.
But to intentionally hit somebody's arm after they let the
ball go, to me is a foul, whether it has
to do with Steph Curry's thumb or you know, anybody else.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It wouldn't be a shooting foul because it would be
after the shot, but it would still be a foul,
not a foul man.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We got to get out of this notion of cow
towing and bowing down to offensive players.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
If this is not step if but it's not a
defensive play once the ball is left.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
If this is Blake Wesley and Fanasis, this isn't talked
about well because it's probably a foul.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, And they probably call a foul because they can foul.
Call a foul on those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No, it's probably if it's still the letter of the law,
They're not gonna call it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
They're gonna be like, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
You know, That's the one thing right now in the
playoffs that I am getting a little annoyed of seeing
is because you and I are both on the mindset
we love playoff basketball the way it's the referees are basically, hey,
no blood, no foul, what are you looking at me for?
And ninety percent of these players that are going to
the rim and what's normally a regular season foul, you know,
(04:07):
they miss a layup and they sit there and start complaining.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Well, in a regular season, if there's contact in the
lane going for a rebound, it's automatically a foul, and
it's on the team that wasn't shooting. Yeah, FLA, it's
a defensive foul. Now you can go over people's backs.
Now you can kind of push from behind. Now you
can get.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Away with a little shove here.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Because we want to be more physical, and I think
we need to find a happy medium for the regular season.
And I heard it say on the on I think
it was on Call of Today. Fans don't care, don't
want to see eighty to seventy nine, like we saw
a lot in the nineties. That's a college basketball game.
The game is eight minutes shorter, and the teams aren't
as good and the shooters are aren't as good as shooters.
(04:48):
So for a college basketball game, eighty two to seventy
nine is fine. But for a forty eight minute game
with the best players in the world, ideally the score
should be like one o seven to one oh three.
That would be a good scoring game. And if it's
overtime or there's a lot of offense down the stretch,
I think most of us basketball purists can live with
like one twenty two to one eighteen. But when it's
(05:11):
one fifty six to one forty nine and the team
that got one forty nine, you know if you score
one hundred and forty nine points, you should win by
a lot. It's because the other team gave up and quit,
and so that's what we got to avoid in the
regular season, and we do in the NFL, and football
in general has made it to where scoring is easier
(05:32):
because we want we don't want obstruction from the defense.
And the difference is is that you only have a
finite number of plays in a football game, and in
the NFL it's usually around sixty five. In college football,
it's anywhere between sixty and ninety depending on how up
tempo your team is. Like Army and the option teams
(05:54):
are still going to run sixty plays, and the teams
that are more up up tempo are going to try
to get the eighty five ninety five plays because they
think they have more depth than they can wear you
out a little bit and they can not have substitutions
as often.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But in the NBA, you're.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You've got to make sure that to allow defense to
some extent, because the best teams over the history of
the sport have always shined as defensive teams, and that
defense is usually led to offense. And I know these
guys can shoot the basketball. I don't want to go
to a game to watch or to watch on TV
(06:34):
where I basically see.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
A three point shooting contest with no defense.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If you allow me to guard you and allow me
to contest you and allow me to make sure that
it's difficult for you to come off of the screen
and you still make the shot, okay, kudos to you.
But if you're just going to stand flat footed and
the guy that's allegedly guarding you as ten feet away
and isn't really trying to play defense, then that's when
the score is.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Going to be what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Because all these guys do all day long, you shoo threes,
and they're good at it. And I'll still challenge anybody
to go to a game and get there early enough
to watch them warm up and see how many shots
they miss, because it's not very many.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So and that's why I'm a little dumbfounded as far
as why you think that it should be a foul, because.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That because I think it's intentionally trying to hurt somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, I don't necessarily agree that it's intently trying to
hurt somebody. It's letting somebody know, hey, this is my space. Too,
And this is me letting you.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Know, well if you guard, if I'm guarding you and
you shoot and I go for the block and I
miss and my hand grazes your arm on the way down.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
But the highlight that they just showed while ago and
I could, I didn't see who the player was, but
I think it was Van Fleet for Houston.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
He's guarding Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Curry lets the shot go, he whiffs on the attempted block.
Then he winds back up and comes back and hits
his arm, and it was clearly intentional to hit the
engine and force him out of the game. Okay, to me,
that's egregious. That's not your space. Your space is is
I tried to block your shot and I whiffed. All right,
plays over now you And if you had to hit
(08:11):
me inadvertently or grazed me as I'm shooting that shot,
that's fair game. That's not a foul if it's after
the ball has been released.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But to wind back up and.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do it again just to say this is my space,
or to switch arms and slap your wrist, to me,
that's intentionally trying to make sure that whatever is ailing
you ails you more.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So in the case of what was it in nineteen
ninety three, ninety four, emmittt. Smith separated shoulder comes back,
you don't.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's football. Football is different than basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But if those players are trying to intentionally, you know,
knock Himmett out with hey, we know he's favoring that.
Let's make sure when we tackle him, we're tackling from left.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Right, so he falls on the shoulder.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
If Steph Curry has an injury and you're the opponent,
you're gonna do everything you can.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Let's say let's let's say he doesn't have an injury
and you're intentionally trying to break his wrists or hurt
his wrist, and that's a different story. And that's what
But that's what it looked like they were doing. The
highlight in the water. The highlight that Steve Kerr was
was talking about showed the Houston player winding up a
(09:22):
second time after he missed on the block.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Shots. Blood in the water.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's blood in the water if you were injured, regardless
of whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Maybe it was Dylan Brooks that was doing it. It
couldn't It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But he says, I don't deny swiping in Steph Curry's
injured thumb. The NBA rules permit me to do it
if that's but I think that rule should be changed.
If you're intentionally trying to hurt somebody, then if it's
in the in the play of the game, and Steph
is the right hitted player and his thumb is hurt.
But let's say Steph wasn't hurt and you're trying to
(09:54):
hurt him, then that's where that's where we overdo it defensively.
But if I go for a loose long with collide
and you fall on the floor and you have a
concussion or you have a Bruce shoulder, tough that's part
of basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Don't know if I can get behind that one and
you just still like Steph Curry.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's not just that, it's.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
We're gonna get to a point to where let's just
not play defense anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No, I want defense, but I but that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's what that that's physicality is regardless if it's trying
to it's physicality.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Physicality is fine because I liked the I didn't have
a problem with the old obstruction rule where the Pistons
were good at it. You're on the right side, you
come across the lane, you get a hip jack because
you're going across the lane.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That I did have a problem with that.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That was physicality, That was letting me know that you're
in my space exactly. But but you still had to
fight to get the shot. But go back and look
at it. I think it was Dylan Brooks against Curry.
Curry shoots the shot, Dylan Brooks misses with one hand
and then takes the other hand and slaps his hand,
And that to me is an intent to hurt. And
(11:00):
I don't think defensively hip checking somebody as they come
across the lane is necessarily intent to hurt.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Its attempt to obstruct.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
And we need a little bit more physicality in the
regular season. The playoffs are going to be the playoffs.
They're not changing that. But I would like to see
fewer games in the one fifties and one sixties and
one forties. And I think there was a couple of
times this year with the Spurs scored one thirty two
and lost, yep, And that to me, if you're going
to score one thirty two, the other teamsold have like
(11:27):
ninety seven and they quit in the third quarter, and
I think we need to have a lot more attention
to I want to see more defense, but I don't
want to see defense where I'm trying to hurt the
other player.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
This is the karate kid. We're not sweeping the leg
here now.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I know there's probably some people that are saying,
but Mike, how is that any different from like the Zaza.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Petrolia that was not allowing you to land exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I would say that has more negative effects of obviously
the ankle, whether it's being in roles Klei's need or
breaking or you know, an acl And yes, the thumb
is a very important thing, but we got to get
out of this mindset of we can't let physicality be
in there. It's the rule says they can do it.
(12:15):
If they change it, fine, whatever, but the rules of
the rules.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
More coming up five point forty seven on the ticket
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