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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yesterday, the Cleveland Browns made it official that the starting
quarterback this weekend would be I think they played the
Lions this weekend would be Dylan Gabriel and that they
were putting Joe Flacco on the bench and Shadoor Sanders
was still listed as the third stream quarterback. So after
(00:22):
that announcement was made and after practice was Brown's playing. Oh,
that's right, that's that's the Island game, isn't Is that
the England game?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Anyway, so.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It was they had interviews and should do or Sanders
had a camera in his face and microphone and he
was asked questions and he basically moved his lips but
he didn't say anything uh and was not going to
make a It was pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Was like, I don't know, or maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yes, this kind of very very distinct, quick answers without
actually mouthing, mouthing the words, but no audio coming out,
and very childish, very immature, very sophomoric, whichever adjective.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You want to come up with. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And later I saw a quote or a tweet or
something from Dion that said way to go, and that
was great. That was funny or something along those lines,
I found it neither Shador Sanders, because of the way
that he interviewed a pre draft, got demoted from being
(01:38):
a top ten quarterback draft in the league to not
being drafted until the fifth round, and only because the
owner of the Browns wanted to have him on the
team did he get saved there. He may not have
been drafted at all. And clearly you had a cocky
attitude coming into the draft, and you told teams that
there were places that you just didn't want to go
because you didn't think they.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Were serious about winning.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, guess what what you're doing and how you're going
about it is also not serious about winning. Everybody wants
to play for a great franchise. Not every franchise is
run like the Patriots to a certain extent, the Rams.
I think if you look at the history of the NFL,
Green Bay's been run pretty well. Even the Giants recently
(02:25):
have not been but previous years they were run well.
Philadelphia is run well. Not everybody gets to go where
they want to go. That's why there's a draft to
have some kind of competitive balance.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So when you walk into.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Someone's office and you're meeting with a general manager, who's
thirty or forty years older than you are, and a
team owner that's even older than you than that, and
worth billions, and you're trying to make an impression on
those people. You are putting off vibes that not only
prevent that team from wanting to draft to you, but
they talk to the other owners about it. I want
to touch the door. He's a mature it's all about him.
(02:59):
He's not a team player. And then to do this
when you clearly didn't like the decision that you're not
even moving up to number two, that you say nothing,
but all you had to do was stand there in
front of the camera for three minutes and go, hey,
I'm the third team quarterback. I've got a lot to learn.
I made some mistakes last year before the draft. I
wish I could have those days back, but I can't.
(03:21):
We're gonna go over to England. We're gonna play a game.
I'm gonna be ready in case they need me. I'm
glad to help Deal in any way I can. I'm
glad to help Joe any way I can. And if
neither one of them can go, I'm ready. Whenever the
coach says go play I'm gonna prepare as if I'm
going to play, even though I know I probably won't.
I'm gonna be ready if they need me. Go Browns,
(03:42):
let's go in a game. That's what he should have said.
It's not hard to do that. You get instant credibility
with your locker room, you get instant credibility with all
of your teammates, you get instant credibility with the media,
and you don't come across looking like a cocky jerk
that thinks that you know everything when you still haven't
taken an NFL snap yet.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And then to have Dion double down and say, well,
that was pretty funny. That was kind of cool. Never
thought of doing that. That's where you pick up the
phone and go the next time this happens, this is
the answer.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You're there to give advice, and you go back to.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The movie Bull Durham where Kevin Costner is trying to
coach Nuke Lalousha on how to do things. Crash Davis
to Nuke Laloush. You be cocky and you be arrogant. Well,
it's fine to be Eric Kaky and Rogan. If you
win twenty in the show even Crash said it himself.
You can have fungus on your shower shoes, but when
you're a rookie, you hadn't done anything yet. You can't
(04:39):
be cocky and arrogant. Be kacky and arrogant after you
win a couple of Super Bowls and you're the reason
why they want it. Until then, have a little bit
of humility and go out there and support Dylan, and
support Joe Flacco, and support the Browns, and show people
that you've grown up a little bit, because nobody on
that team wants a guy in the huddle.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's that imature.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, But unfortunately Andy, the word humility and humble uh
just are not in the vocabulary of one Dion sit.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Dion could do it because Dion could.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Back, could talk to the best on Deon's the best
cover corner that ever lived. You can make an argument
that he's the best punt returner that ever lived, and
other than Bo Jackson, he's the best two sport athlete
that ever lived. And so he can say whatever he want.
Winners get to brag, should do. Is not in the
same boat. Shaudur hasn't won anything except seven meaningless games
(05:36):
of Colorado that got them nowhere, Hey.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Thirteen and twelve and they got to you know that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That can't do on weediater bawl.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, No, they got destroyed in the Alamo Bowls against BYU.
But hey, thirteen and twelve at Colorado in.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Two years and he got his number retire.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Exactly got his number retired. So let's you know, let's
put a little respect on Shaudur Sanders's name here.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, they got they got invited to the Alamo Bowl
because of their record, but then also the you want
when you're not in the CFP, you want the best
matchup that you can get, and you want the best
ratings that you can get, and Dion's always going to
give you ratings. But it was Dion getting those ratings
just as much as she do or was Yeah, and
(06:17):
by the way, I'm not Travis Hunter actually has game.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I'm not ragging. We love Derek fox h we
love them. But it's just it was, is Dion's married now, right,
he's married. I don't understand why the wife his wife,
if he I'm I'm assuming he is married. Is his
wife doesn't say, honey, you're leading him down the wrong road,
(06:41):
or or if she just calls Shador and says, listen, sweetheart,
grow up, stop acting like a child. I understand that
your father is a little you know, dramatic, you know,
with the theatrics, but he has earned that. You son,
I love you. You're the most handsome son in the world.
But maybe you're the fourth string quarterback. You gotta take
(07:06):
you earn it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, you're not. You're not where you need to be.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Uh And to be able to behave that way just
shows that it's still all about you when no one
else thinks it's about you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Like as as ridiculous and I guess immature that it
was when Marshawn Lynch, because you know, it's well noted
that Marshawn Lynch did not like to do pregame, postgame,
any of that stuff whatsoever. He would be no comment, yes, no,
like he didn't want to do that just so he
didn't get fined. But I'm sorry you're beast mood, but
(07:40):
you're Marshaw. You've earned that right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And there's some people that don't want to do interviews
because they just don't know what to say. I mean,
I've been around a lot of athletes over the years
when it's time to do an interview. They're scared to
do it, and I'm like, this is three minutes of
your life. This is a pregame show interview. It's three minutes,
and anything you don't like I'll edit out. And if
I have to go four to get to three, I
will and edit out what you don't like. This is
(08:04):
easy stuff, and they still don't want to do it. It's
easy to you and me, Andy, No, it's it's easy
to most of the players. You just I'm not going
to ask you. I'm never going to ask you a
question that you probably don't already know. It's it's but
there's a lot of people that when you turn the
camera on and you turn the microphone on, deer in
a headlight. There, deer in a headlights, Oh yeah, and
they don't know what to say. They're the funniest, nicest,
(08:26):
the most open person in the world. You turn that
recorder on, you stick that microphone in front of them,
and they clam up and they don't know what to say.
And I think Marshawn was in that boat as much
as anything else. I think he was. I don't think
he liked interviews. I mean, if the number one fear
in the world is the fear of public speaking.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah. I've said it before many of times. I dreaded
that in high school and in college, so I never did.
But yeah, I get to talk, yeah, because there's nobody
in front of me.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But that's what you have to think about when you're
doing public speaking. You're not talking to however many people
are on the audience. You're talking to one person, and
none of them are there to see you mess up.
They're there, they're just most of the time to support you.
I mean, there's a lot of things I had. I
had a fear of talking to people was something I
knew what I was talking about was never.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It hearing Rocky Top playing over and over in your head.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That was one of them, right, Yeah, I can still
hear it from time to time and linger years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It lingers. It's like the it's like the ice cream
ice cream jingle, and you just randomly hear it in there, and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Then you hear it in your sleep, and then you
hear it when you wake up. All right, Kathy Engelbert
stuff coming up next, as there's more fallout from the
w n B A. Scott van Pelt had a great
take last night. You'll hear that, and Caitlin Clark seconded
what Nafisia Collier had to say all coming up on
the Indie Everage Show.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
On the tickets
Yesterday, the Cleveland Browns made it official that the starting
quarterback this weekend would be I think they played the
Lions this weekend would be Dylan Gabriel and that they
were putting Joe Flacco on the bench and Shadoor Sanders
was still listed as the third stream quarterback. So after
(00:22):
that announcement was made and after practice was Brown's playing. Oh,
that's right, that's that's the Island game, isn't Is that
the England game?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Anyway, so.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It was they had interviews and should do or Sanders
had a camera in his face and microphone and he
was asked questions and he basically moved his lips but
he didn't say anything uh and was not going to
make a It was pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Was like, I don't know, or maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yes, this kind of very very distinct, quick answers without
actually mouthing, mouthing the words, but no audio coming out,
and very childish, very immature, very sophomoric, whichever adjective.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You want to come up with. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And later I saw a quote or a tweet or
something from Dion that said way to go, and that
was great. That was funny or something along those lines,
I found it neither Shador Sanders, because of the way
that he interviewed a pre draft, got demoted from being
(01:38):
a top ten quarterback draft in the league to not
being drafted until the fifth round, and only because the
owner of the Browns wanted to have him on the
team did he get saved there. He may not have
been drafted at all. And clearly you had a cocky
attitude coming into the draft, and you told teams that
there were places that you just didn't want to go
because you didn't think they.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Were serious about winning.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, guess what what you're doing and how you're going
about it is also not serious about winning. Everybody wants
to play for a great franchise. Not every franchise is
run like the Patriots to a certain extent, the Rams.
I think if you look at the history of the NFL,
Green Bay's been run pretty well. Even the Giants recently
(02:25):
have not been but previous years they were run well.
Philadelphia is run well. Not everybody gets to go where
they want to go. That's why there's a draft to
have some kind of competitive balance.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
So when you walk into.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Someone's office and you're meeting with a general manager, who's
thirty or forty years older than you are, and a
team owner that's even older than you than that, and
worth billions, and you're trying to make an impression on
those people. You are putting off vibes that not only
prevent that team from wanting to draft to you, but
they talk to the other owners about it. I want
to touch the door. He's a mature it's all about him.
(02:59):
He's not a team player. And then to do this
when you clearly didn't like the decision that you're not
even moving up to number two, that you say nothing,
but all you had to do was stand there in
front of the camera for three minutes and go, hey,
I'm the third team quarterback. I've got a lot to learn.
I made some mistakes last year before the draft. I
wish I could have those days back, but I can't.
(03:21):
We're gonna go over to England. We're gonna play a game.
I'm gonna be ready in case they need me. I'm
glad to help Deal in any way I can. I'm
glad to help Joe any way I can. And if
neither one of them can go, I'm ready. Whenever the
coach says go play I'm gonna prepare as if I'm
going to play, even though I know I probably won't.
I'm gonna be ready if they need me. Go Browns,
(03:42):
let's go in a game. That's what he should have said.
It's not hard to do that. You get instant credibility
with your locker room, you get instant credibility with all
of your teammates, you get instant credibility with the media,
and you don't come across looking like a cocky jerk
that thinks that you know everything when you still haven't
taken an NFL snap yet.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And then to have Dion double down and say, well,
that was pretty funny. That was kind of cool. Never
thought of doing that. That's where you pick up the
phone and go the next time this happens, this is
the answer.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
You're there to give advice, and you go back to.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The movie Bull Durham where Kevin Costner is trying to
coach Nuke Lalousha on how to do things. Crash Davis
to Nuke Laloush. You be cocky and you be arrogant. Well,
it's fine to be Eric Kaky and Rogan. If you
win twenty in the show even Crash said it himself.
You can have fungus on your shower shoes, but when
you're a rookie, you hadn't done anything yet. You can't
(04:39):
be cocky and arrogant. Be kacky and arrogant after you
win a couple of Super Bowls and you're the reason
why they want it. Until then, have a little bit
of humility and go out there and support Dylan, and
support Joe Flacco, and support the Browns, and show people
that you've grown up a little bit, because nobody on
that team wants a guy in the huddle.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's that imature.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, But unfortunately Andy, the word humility and humble uh
just are not in the vocabulary of one Dion sit.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Dion could do it because Dion could.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Back, could talk to the best on Deon's the best
cover corner that ever lived. You can make an argument
that he's the best punt returner that ever lived, and
other than Bo Jackson, he's the best two sport athlete
that ever lived. And so he can say whatever he want.
Winners get to brag, should do. Is not in the
same boat. Shaudur hasn't won anything except seven meaningless games
(05:36):
of Colorado that got them nowhere, Hey.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Thirteen and twelve and they got to you know that.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That can't do on weediater bawl.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, No, they got destroyed in the Alamo Bowls against BYU.
But hey, thirteen and twelve at Colorado in.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Two years and he got his number retire.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Exactly got his number retired. So let's you know, let's
put a little respect on Shaudur Sanders's name here.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, they got they got invited to the Alamo Bowl
because of their record, but then also the you want
when you're not in the CFP, you want the best
matchup that you can get, and you want the best
ratings that you can get, and Dion's always going to
give you ratings. But it was Dion getting those ratings
just as much as she do or was Yeah, and
(06:17):
by the way, I'm not Travis Hunter actually has game.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I'm not ragging. We love Derek fox h we
love them. But it's just it was, is Dion's married now, right,
he's married. I don't understand why the wife his wife,
if he I'm I'm assuming he is married. Is his
wife doesn't say, honey, you're leading him down the wrong road,
(06:41):
or or if she just calls Shador and says, listen, sweetheart,
grow up, stop acting like a child. I understand that
your father is a little you know, dramatic, you know,
with the theatrics, but he has earned that. You son,
I love you. You're the most handsome son in the world.
But maybe you're the fourth string quarterback. You gotta take
(07:06):
you earn it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, you're not. You're not where you need to be.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Uh And to be able to behave that way just
shows that it's still all about you when no one
else thinks it's about you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Like as as ridiculous and I guess immature that it
was when Marshawn Lynch, because you know, it's well noted
that Marshawn Lynch did not like to do pregame, postgame,
any of that stuff whatsoever. He would be no comment, yes, no,
like he didn't want to do that just so he
didn't get fined. But I'm sorry you're beast mood, but
(07:40):
you're Marshaw. You've earned that right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And there's some people that don't want to do interviews
because they just don't know what to say. I mean,
I've been around a lot of athletes over the years
when it's time to do an interview. They're scared to
do it, and I'm like, this is three minutes of
your life. This is a pregame show interview. It's three minutes,
and anything you don't like I'll edit out. And if
I have to go four to get to three, I
will and edit out what you don't like. This is
(08:04):
easy stuff, and they still don't want to do it. It's
easy to you and me, Andy, No, it's it's easy
to most of the players. You just I'm not going
to ask you. I'm never going to ask you a
question that you probably don't already know. It's it's but
there's a lot of people that when you turn the
camera on and you turn the microphone on, deer in
a headlight. There, deer in a headlights, Oh yeah, and
they don't know what to say. They're the funniest, nicest,
(08:26):
the most open person in the world. You turn that
recorder on, you stick that microphone in front of them,
and they clam up and they don't know what to say.
And I think Marshawn was in that boat as much
as anything else. I think he was. I don't think
he liked interviews. I mean, if the number one fear
in the world is the fear of public speaking.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah. I've said it before many of times. I dreaded
that in high school and in college, so I never did.
But yeah, I get to talk, yeah, because there's nobody
in front of me.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
But that's what you have to think about when you're
doing public speaking. You're not talking to however many people
are on the audience. You're talking to one person, and
none of them are there to see you mess up.
They're there, they're just most of the time to support you.
I mean, there's a lot of things I had. I
had a fear of talking to people was something I
knew what I was talking about was never.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It hearing Rocky Top playing over and over in your head.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That was one of them, right, Yeah, I can still
hear it from time to time and linger years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
It lingers. It's like the it's like the ice cream
ice cream jingle, and you just randomly hear it in there, and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Then you hear it in your sleep, and then you
hear it when you wake up. All right, Kathy Engelbert
stuff coming up next, as there's more fallout from the
w n B A. Scott van Pelt had a great
take last night. You'll hear that, and Caitlin Clark seconded
what Nafisia Collier had to say all coming up on
the Indie Everage Show.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
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