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Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, it's five o'clock. It is the fourth of
July weekend upon us and we have more gambling stuff.
A lot of times, I think when we hear of
athletes who are cheating by gambling on the sport in
which they play, and I believe that's what it is,
if you're betting on yourself or your team, or on
a prop bet, or you're involved with betting in an
(00:27):
organized way. As I said before, if the starting quarterbacks
at Ou and Texas, we're best friends growing up and
they want to say lose er buys lunch tomorrow, who cares.
But if one of them is like, if we don't
win by seven, I lose one thousand dollars, and that's
manipulating the game. I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Know if they have that back going on.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
To be honest, I honestly don't care if they do
or not. Well, I do, but I don't think there's
any harm in two players, you know, deciding who's going
to pay for lunch the next time, because they can
say that let's go play golf and whoever wins buys
lunch or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But here's the argument, because we saw it in the
Ohio State Texas Longhorns game in the semi finals of
the College Football Playoffs, Quinn Youwers gets strip sacked and
fumbles and it goes to his college roommate when he
was at Ohio State at the linebacker. You know, if
(01:21):
we find out, hey, yeah, Quinn and I forget what
the kid's name was, had a bet that I bet
you can't get a fumble off of me or something
like that, then it's like, but I know, it's I
know it's very preposterous, But.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
There's why way that out There's no way that Quinn
yours is trying to funble the ball to his his
ex room. I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But why potentially put that that even plausible idea out there?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, there there's a I just I don't think that.
Uh you know, it's like when Michigan plays Ohio State.
The governors of the two states designed to have uh
you know, I'll send you some or Texas and you know,
you play and it's one one mayor or one governor
is going to send the other governor some chocolate or
(02:11):
you know, a bee for barbecue or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah,
those kind of things are just silly. Let's have a
friendly competition thing here, no harm, no foul on the
on those. But when I don't know why anybody would
bet on this in the first place unless they knew
it was going to happen. But in a game earlier
(02:32):
this year, uh, there was a game that the let's
see Cleveland was playing Seattle. This was the prop bet.
The first pitch of the second inning from Louis Ortiz
will either be a ball or a hit batsman. The
first pitch, the first pitch of the second inning of
(02:54):
this it's not even the game, it's the first pitch
of the second inning will either be a ball or
a hit batsman plus or minus three hundred and fifty. Wow.
And somebody put a ton of money on that. Again,
And the first ball was so far outside, the first
pitch was so far outside the strike zone that the
announcers went, Bob, youer just a bit outside.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Again. We talk about this all the time. If you're
gonna make and not that Andy, and I condone this.
If you're gonna make a very stupid bet, don't bet
it on something as obscure as that be. Like, Hey,
Aaron Judge is gonna hit a home run in the
fourth inning or something like that on the third ten
they may not even bat in the fourth inning. Yeah, exactly.
(03:39):
Don't don't go betting ten grand on you know, North
Dakota State versus you know, Wisconsin Green Bay, that you're
gonna the spreadest ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well that's no see what what you don't bet North
Dakota State and Wisconsin Green Bay in a basketball game
that Doug Gottlieb is gonna get a technical foul in
the first thirty seconds of the game. And we learned
that Gottlieb got somebody that Doug gottlie actually got a
technical foul in the first thirty seconds of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I could see that happening though, well I could
see that happening. But when we you know, only Bill Ambier, Wow,
but we see like all the time. It's it's very
obscure random bets. Again, the Johntay Porter ones. If you're
going and betting ten grand.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
On the outcome of a game of the spread, no
one's ever gonna notice that anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, big, big, big stuff like that where it's like, okay,
you can see where some of the higher up bets
kind of maybe go a little bit more unnoticed. That's
where it's like, hey, ten Grand Duke North Carolina, Okay,
sure whatever, ten Grand on Andy's sixth grade basketball team
that he still wishes he could have called the time out.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You know, it's like that, that's the stupid And so
this happened again. A second pitch on a June twenty
seventh game against the Cardinals was flagged because or Tees
to start the third inning was supposed to throw a
ball or a hit batsman, and that was the prop bet.
And he did it again, and he threw a slider
(05:07):
outside the zone to kick off the inning. I think
that was the actual game where either the Cardinals announcer
or the Cleveland announcer said just a bit outside. Yeah, okay,
I wait, imagine that when I when I look at
this pitch, it's so far outside that it gives me
concern that he actually knew he needed to throw the
(05:28):
ball outside that somebody. I mean, go, if you go
look at this replay, it doesn't. It's a right handed
pitcher and a right handed batter. It misses most of
the left handed batter's box. I mean it is. It
is truly a Rick von Wild pitch right here. And
I'm not saying the classes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Maybe he just needs or maybe he needs to send
back BEWND to the miners. You know, yeah, corrective corrective
ice surgery. But when you see a pitch miss that
badly and you see that there's several thousand dollars been
on a prop bet that should have never been on
the books to begin with. And you had this comment
the other day, maybe Vegas, except for the rare instances
(06:09):
of a Super Bowl or a National Championship game, needs
to get rid of some of these prop bets. And
if we don't have the prop bets, you can't bet
on them. Now, that's not going to prevent anybody from
betting on the outcome of a game, especially a game
that they pitch or they hit or they manage in.
But this pitch isn't anywhere. I mean, nobody would even
look at it. Ball was a ball before it left
(06:30):
his hand.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, So I'm watching one of them where it's the
Guardians versus the Mariners and he's throwing to your your
guy a rose arena.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
That one.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I could see it being a little bit because it
looks like it's a sinker and it just kind of
maybe that one gets away. But the other one where
it's against the car Cardinals, it's not one more of a.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
As well thrown it to the manager in the first base,
dug gay.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean that one was almost as bad as like
I could make the argument where hey, it just slipped
out of his hand along the way.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Coincidentally it happened to be a bet than somebody won.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah. I like how there's a reach based probability thirty
one percent. Yet it's almost as if I was trying
to throw out the first pitch, I wouldn't even make
it to home plate that one. Yet that one is
definitely a little bit more eyebrow raised, like ooh, that's
not a good look.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So anyway, Luis Ortiz is being suspended with pay through
June seventeenth, until the MLB investigates this further. And I
hope that he is innocent, and I hope they don't
find any wrongdoing. But my guess is that they wouldn't
ask the guardians to suspend him if there was any
question in their mind that he didn't have some kind
(07:49):
of knowledge. And listen, here's something that I think I
would be concerned about more than anything else. I don't
know that Luis or Tease is manipulating the game for
his own good. But there are a lot of Latin
American players. There are a lot of players in South
America that get threatened and whose families get threatened all
(08:11):
the time because they know that said Major League Baseball
player makes a lot of money and they live in
the United States and their families are still living in
the They may have moved up in the world, but
they're still not living in the lap of luxury. And
there are people that influence them. There are people in
Russia that go to the families of Russia hockey players
(08:32):
and say, if your kid doesn't send us some money,
we're going to make life miserable for you in Russia.
And they can't escape, and they can't come here, and
they can't immigrate here, or they don't want to. They
want to stay home, and yet they're extorted because of
lack of police protection and government control in some of
those areas. So what if this was And I don't
(08:55):
know what Luis Ortiz's residence is or his heritage is,
Let's see if I can find out here. Well, he's
from the Dominican Republic in Puerto Rico. Yeah, So could
it possibly be that somebody in the Dominican Republican says
at the start of the third inning, you need to
throw a ball or we're gonna do something bad to
(09:16):
your family.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, and unfortunate, unfortunately that I'm not gonna say that
it happens a lot, but it happens enough to where
it's not without question it. It's it's definitely something that
you have to at least maybe on the back burn
or possibly think I'm looking at it. And it's not
as if Luis Ortiz is making or has made a
(09:38):
lot of money. It's twenty six years old. He just
turned twenty six this year in January. He's only made
a career earnings of two million, two hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And forty million in the Dominican Republic. Yeah, so that that,
and I'm not making light of the fact that he's
a journeyman pitcher at twenty six years old and I
finally in the show. But if you're a Puerto Rican
or any player for that matter, my guess is that
you finally got there and you now have a job
probably for four or five years. If you can stay
(10:08):
healthy and make a salary. That nobody in your home
country is even coming close to not even government officials
unless you know they're taking it from some of their means.
But I don't think he's going to risk that unless
he fears that there's going to be retribution against his
family if he doesn't do those kind of things. And
Major League Baseball is somewhat complicit in this and so
(10:29):
all the other sports. When you have promos being read
by the announcers, the inline gods for the game now
in the fifth inning with the Guardians up three to
nothing has changed from minus one fifty to plus three
seventy five. You know that is just saying, go bet
on the game, Please go patronize whoever it is that
is our gambling sponsor of the day, and telling every
(10:51):
fan out there, and then expecting the fans who may
know Luis Ortiz or members of the team not to say, man,
you cost me of money because I bet on you
after you got a three nothing lead and I did win,
And well, then don't bet. If you don't, if you
don't mind, if you're if you're concerned about concerned about that,
if it was called that's why it's called gambling. If
(11:12):
it was called winning, everybody would win. And there are
teams that get a three nothing lead and lose those
three nothing leads as late as the ninth inning. So, uh,
if it's gamblers that are harassing him, major League Baseball
may be able to find out about it. I would
I would hope that they would be able to help
him in that regard. If he's doing it for a
financial game, then he can he will never play baseball again.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I would say, at least right now, the fact
that the that the Major League Baseball has has suspended
him with pay, would you could maybe lead an argument
of they're just a little concerned. They don't necessarily think
it's one hundred percent because they're still paying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And they want to know what he knows, yes, exactly so,
how much and how much transparency he's willing to give them,
how much fear he has. Yeah, and they have people
that can extract that information, uh pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, his name is Jack Bauer and Ethan Hutt and
Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Jason, Yeah, Yeah, there's and Jack Reacher. I'll go with
Jack Power and Ethan Hutt. They're good at extracting information. Yeah.
All right, let's talk college football, because the football season
is eight weeks away. Do we know what twelve teams
could be in the CFP. I've got twelve to think about.
We'll discuss that next It's five twelve on the ticket.
All right, it's five o'clock. It is the fourth of
July weekend upon us and we have more gambling stuff.
A lot of times, I think when we hear of
athletes who are cheating by gambling on the sport in
which they play, and I believe that's what it is,
if you're betting on yourself or your team, or on
a prop bet, or you're involved with betting in an
(00:27):
organized way. As I said before, if the starting quarterbacks
at Ou and Texas, we're best friends growing up and
they want to say lose er buys lunch tomorrow, who cares.
But if one of them is like, if we don't
win by seven, I lose one thousand dollars, and that's
manipulating the game. I just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Know if they have that back going on.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
To be honest, I honestly don't care if they do
or not. Well, I do, but I don't think there's
any harm in two players, you know, deciding who's going
to pay for lunch the next time, because they can
say that let's go play golf and whoever wins buys
lunch or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
But here's the argument, because we saw it in the
Ohio State Texas Longhorns game in the semi finals of
the College Football Playoffs, Quinn Youwers gets strip sacked and
fumbles and it goes to his college roommate when he
was at Ohio State at the linebacker. You know, if
(01:21):
we find out, hey, yeah, Quinn and I forget what
the kid's name was, had a bet that I bet
you can't get a fumble off of me or something
like that, then it's like, but I know, it's I
know it's very preposterous, But.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
There's why way that out There's no way that Quinn
yours is trying to funble the ball to his his
ex room. I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But why potentially put that that even plausible idea out there?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You know, there there's a I just I don't think that.
Uh you know, it's like when Michigan plays Ohio State.
The governors of the two states designed to have uh
you know, I'll send you some or Texas and you know,
you play and it's one one mayor or one governor
is going to send the other governor some chocolate or
(02:11):
you know, a bee for barbecue or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah,
those kind of things are just silly. Let's have a
friendly competition thing here, no harm, no foul on the
on those. But when I don't know why anybody would
bet on this in the first place unless they knew
it was going to happen. But in a game earlier
(02:32):
this year, uh, there was a game that the let's
see Cleveland was playing Seattle. This was the prop bet.
The first pitch of the second inning from Louis Ortiz
will either be a ball or a hit batsman. The
first pitch, the first pitch of the second inning of
(02:54):
this it's not even the game, it's the first pitch
of the second inning will either be a ball or
a hit batsman plus or minus three hundred and fifty. Wow.
And somebody put a ton of money on that. Again,
And the first ball was so far outside, the first
pitch was so far outside the strike zone that the
announcers went, Bob, youer just a bit outside.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Again. We talk about this all the time. If you're
gonna make and not that Andy, and I condone this.
If you're gonna make a very stupid bet, don't bet
it on something as obscure as that be. Like, Hey,
Aaron Judge is gonna hit a home run in the
fourth inning or something like that on the third ten
they may not even bat in the fourth inning. Yeah, exactly.
(03:39):
Don't don't go betting ten grand on you know, North
Dakota State versus you know, Wisconsin Green Bay, that you're
gonna the spreadest ten points.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well that's no see what what you don't bet North
Dakota State and Wisconsin Green Bay in a basketball game
that Doug Gottlieb is gonna get a technical foul in
the first thirty seconds of the game. And we learned
that Gottlieb got somebody that Doug gottlie actually got a
technical foul in the first thirty seconds of the game.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But I could see that happening though, well I could
see that happening. But when we you know, only Bill Ambier, Wow,
but we see like all the time. It's it's very
obscure random bets. Again, the Johntay Porter ones. If you're
going and betting ten grand.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
On the outcome of a game of the spread, no
one's ever gonna notice that anyway.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, big, big, big stuff like that where it's like, okay,
you can see where some of the higher up bets
kind of maybe go a little bit more unnoticed. That's
where it's like, hey, ten Grand Duke North Carolina, Okay,
sure whatever, ten Grand on Andy's sixth grade basketball team
that he still wishes he could have called the time out.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You know, it's like that, that's the stupid And so
this happened again. A second pitch on a June twenty
seventh game against the Cardinals was flagged because or Tees
to start the third inning was supposed to throw a
ball or a hit batsman, and that was the prop bet.
And he did it again, and he threw a slider
(05:07):
outside the zone to kick off the inning. I think
that was the actual game where either the Cardinals announcer
or the Cleveland announcer said just a bit outside. Yeah, okay,
I wait, imagine that when I when I look at
this pitch, it's so far outside that it gives me
concern that he actually knew he needed to throw the
(05:28):
ball outside that somebody. I mean, go, if you go
look at this replay, it doesn't. It's a right handed
pitcher and a right handed batter. It misses most of
the left handed batter's box. I mean it is. It
is truly a Rick von Wild pitch right here. And
I'm not saying the classes.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Maybe he just needs or maybe he needs to send
back BEWND to the miners. You know, yeah, corrective corrective
ice surgery. But when you see a pitch miss that
badly and you see that there's several thousand dollars been
on a prop bet that should have never been on
the books to begin with. And you had this comment
the other day, maybe Vegas, except for the rare instances
(06:09):
of a Super Bowl or a National Championship game, needs
to get rid of some of these prop bets. And
if we don't have the prop bets, you can't bet
on them. Now, that's not going to prevent anybody from
betting on the outcome of a game, especially a game
that they pitch or they hit or they manage in.
But this pitch isn't anywhere. I mean, nobody would even
look at it. Ball was a ball before it left
(06:30):
his hand.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Okay, So I'm watching one of them where it's the
Guardians versus the Mariners and he's throwing to your your
guy a rose arena.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
That one.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I could see it being a little bit because it
looks like it's a sinker and it just kind of
maybe that one gets away. But the other one where
it's against the car Cardinals, it's not one more of a.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
As well thrown it to the manager in the first base,
dug gay.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean that one was almost as bad as like
I could make the argument where hey, it just slipped
out of his hand along the way.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Coincidentally it happened to be a bet than somebody won.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah. I like how there's a reach based probability thirty
one percent. Yet it's almost as if I was trying
to throw out the first pitch, I wouldn't even make
it to home plate that one. Yet that one is
definitely a little bit more eyebrow raised, like ooh, that's
not a good look.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
So anyway, Luis Ortiz is being suspended with pay through
June seventeenth, until the MLB investigates this further. And I
hope that he is innocent, and I hope they don't
find any wrongdoing. But my guess is that they wouldn't
ask the guardians to suspend him if there was any
question in their mind that he didn't have some kind
(07:49):
of knowledge. And listen, here's something that I think I
would be concerned about more than anything else. I don't
know that Luis or Tease is manipulating the game for
his own good. But there are a lot of Latin
American players. There are a lot of players in South
America that get threatened and whose families get threatened all
(08:11):
the time because they know that said Major League Baseball
player makes a lot of money and they live in
the United States and their families are still living in
the They may have moved up in the world, but
they're still not living in the lap of luxury. And
there are people that influence them. There are people in
Russia that go to the families of Russia hockey players
(08:32):
and say, if your kid doesn't send us some money,
we're going to make life miserable for you in Russia.
And they can't escape, and they can't come here, and
they can't immigrate here, or they don't want to. They
want to stay home, and yet they're extorted because of
lack of police protection and government control in some of
those areas. So what if this was And I don't
(08:55):
know what Luis Ortiz's residence is or his heritage is,
Let's see if I can find out here. Well, he's
from the Dominican Republic in Puerto Rico. Yeah, So could
it possibly be that somebody in the Dominican Republican says
at the start of the third inning, you need to
throw a ball or we're gonna do something bad to
(09:16):
your family.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, and unfortunate, unfortunately that I'm not gonna say that
it happens a lot, but it happens enough to where
it's not without question it. It's it's definitely something that
you have to at least maybe on the back burn
or possibly think I'm looking at it. And it's not
as if Luis Ortiz is making or has made a
(09:38):
lot of money. It's twenty six years old. He just
turned twenty six this year in January. He's only made
a career earnings of two million, two hundred and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And forty million in the Dominican Republic. Yeah, so that that,
and I'm not making light of the fact that he's
a journeyman pitcher at twenty six years old and I
finally in the show. But if you're a Puerto Rican
or any player for that matter, my guess is that
you finally got there and you now have a job
probably for four or five years. If you can stay
(10:08):
healthy and make a salary. That nobody in your home
country is even coming close to not even government officials
unless you know they're taking it from some of their means.
But I don't think he's going to risk that unless
he fears that there's going to be retribution against his
family if he doesn't do those kind of things. And
Major League Baseball is somewhat complicit in this and so
(10:29):
all the other sports. When you have promos being read
by the announcers, the inline gods for the game now
in the fifth inning with the Guardians up three to
nothing has changed from minus one fifty to plus three
seventy five. You know that is just saying, go bet
on the game, Please go patronize whoever it is that
is our gambling sponsor of the day, and telling every
(10:51):
fan out there, and then expecting the fans who may
know Luis Ortiz or members of the team not to say, man,
you cost me of money because I bet on you
after you got a three nothing lead and I did win,
And well, then don't bet. If you don't, if you
don't mind, if you're if you're concerned about concerned about that,
if it was called that's why it's called gambling. If
(11:12):
it was called winning, everybody would win. And there are
teams that get a three nothing lead and lose those
three nothing leads as late as the ninth inning. So, uh,
if it's gamblers that are harassing him, major League Baseball
may be able to find out about it. I would
I would hope that they would be able to help
him in that regard. If he's doing it for a
financial game, then he can he will never play baseball again.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I would say, at least right now, the fact
that the that the Major League Baseball has has suspended
him with pay, would you could maybe lead an argument
of they're just a little concerned. They don't necessarily think
it's one hundred percent because they're still paying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
And they want to know what he knows, yes, exactly so,
how much and how much transparency he's willing to give them,
how much fear he has. Yeah, and they have people
that can extract that information, uh pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, his name is Jack Bauer and Ethan Hutt and
Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Jason, Yeah, Yeah, there's and Jack Reacher. I'll go with
Jack Power and Ethan Hutt. They're good at extracting information. Yeah.
All right, let's talk college football, because the football season
is eight weeks away. Do we know what twelve teams
could be in the CFP. I've got twelve to think about.
We'll discuss that next It's five twelve on the ticket.
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