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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yahoo's Sports a guy named Dan walkin rights for Yahoo's Sports.
Don't know Dan, don't know if he's got good sources
or not. But I think the thing I'm about to
read you from him has some inaccuracies in it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, is it allistical? Is it? What? So?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Alistical is a modern thing that sports writers use where
they like where they have a topic, and then they
have like these blocks where it's like if it's if
it's about who's the net who's the best coach in
college football?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Big letters, Jeff Trailer, big letters.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And then they go and then they give you a
paragraph or so about that person.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And that works because essentially if you read each paragraph,
it counts as a view for the entire article.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, and so it raises the views for the for
the website. So well, he got a couple of views
from me last night.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So here is.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is him talking because there's four jobs open before
conference play started from most schools, and Mike Gundi and
the coach at Arkansas, Virginia Tech and UCLA all are gone.
So he listened a whole bunch of coaches who are
up for these jobs and any others that come available.
And we know that there'll be a lot more as
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the season progresses.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So here's the deal. This is what he says about Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
The funniest gag in college football is every time a
coaching job opens anywhere near the state of Texas, reporters
in San Antonio run to this guy and ask for
a public loyalty pledge to UTSA.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This is done for several reasons. First, even if he.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Was willing to walk across hot coals all the way
to stillwater, he wouldn't say it publicly. Second, there's never
been a shred of evidence that any major program has
had interested in him beyond an explanatory conversation. And let's remember,
UTSA is now two and three after losing the Temple.
It appears as if the Roadrunners are on their way
to three straight years of declining results from nine to
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four and twenty three. I guess he forgot twelve and
two the year before, when Traylor's name was linked to
the A and M job in parentheses, which he interviewed
very poorly. According to sources, He's now seven and six
last year, which isn't looking so great. If this trajectory continues,
it will be valid to ask if he's coming back,
but at that point it won't be his decision. Okay,
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let's just tear this apart, because every sentence he said
has some inaccuracies in it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Get them.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Number One, he was offered the Texas Tech job, and
he turned down twenty million dollars to stay in San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He got close to thirty to stay here. The number in.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Lubbock was forty nine. This is basically what was going on.
Thirty million in San Antonio is better than fifty million
in Lubbock.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So he did turn down that.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And yes, he knew that Patrick Mahomes was part of
that community, and I don't know if he knew the
oil guys out there, but eventually when Inile came around,
and Inile wasn't happening back then. But again, I think
Texas Tech may win the conference, and they certainly have
a better chance of winning the conference as long as
that money's there. Because look, there's two things at college
football players want, and I'm not sure one is even
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more important than the other.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Number One, they want to get paid.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And everybody has an inflated value of what their worth
really is, or an inflated number of what their value is,
but every athlete on every team wants to get a
little bit of cash. That's number one. But number two,
they want to be part of a family. A lot
of college football and basketball players and athletes come from
from not good homes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Some have great parents, some do not.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Some don't know what it's like to actually be loved
by somebody. And I think you could ask every single
member of that team, and I have on radio shows
and when they've done pregame interviews or whatever. And the
UTSA football team is its own family. And that culture
is being created by Jeff who insisted that they be adults.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And they're not all angels.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
No one ever is when you put one hundred people together,
but they work collectively together as a family because of
the culture that he's built. So yes, this line where
he said he's never been considered for any serious job.
He was offered and turned down Texas Tech. That's number one.
Number two, he did not interview for the Texas A
and M job. I don't know what sources you have,
but he from what I was told, he did not interview.
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There were a couple of regents that begged Ross New
York when he was ad at the time before he
went to Ohio State to interview him, but New York
and already made up his mind. He was hiring Mike Elko,
and there was no reason to interview anybody else unless
Elco turned down the job. There could have been a
phone conversation, I'm not sure, but if there was, it
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probably lasted about four minutes, and I'm guessing that the
story went, we're hiring Mike Elko. If he doesn't want
the job, will reconsider or so there and then I
don't know why people think, as I said in the
last segment, the Oklahoma State job and the Arkansas job
are all that good, except that you might make a
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little bit more money. But again, what you make, you know,
three million a year in San Antonio or five million
dollars a year in still Water or six million dollars
a year in Fayetteville at some.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Point in time.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
See though, here's the thing that people forget. Coaches have
a pretty simplistic life. You know, if you've made three
million dollars a year and got four weeks vacation, you
would be on a yacht, on a private plane and
hanging out in Monte Carlo. Football coaches don't have time
for that. They get about eight days off and they're
usually the Friday Monday of a wrap around weekend. They
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have their phone is never off. They're always babysitting one
hundred football players, one hundred athletes, to making sure that
they're in summer school, making sure that they're doing what
they do, and if they're always available to the coach
if they're needed. It is not this glamorous lifestyle. Yeah,
Nick Saban lived in a big house and eventually at
some point in time he got to golf a little bit.
But Nick Saban gets to do way more of that
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now than he did before. There's not very many coaches
that are on the golf course three days a week,
you know, between between say August and March, or maybe
even April after the spring game. And if they take
a vacation, it's for a coaches retreat where they all
play play golf together. And that's why there's not very
many good football coaches that are good golfers, because they
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feel guilty when they're on the golf course when they
could be recruiting or they could be contacting a player
to make sure that they're okay. So the biggest problem
that UTSA has right now is that they have a
schedule in the non conference season that's going to be
really really difficult for the next several years. Next year
they have Texas and Texas State on that schedule. New
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Mexico State is on that schedule, and they have a
home game with Colorado State that is not an easy schedule,
and so and then in future years they've got LSU
on the schedule. They've got a home at home with
Air Force that's not necessarily going to be an easy game.
I don't even know when the next time that they
will play an FCS team. So the schedule is really hard,
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and for a school in the American Conference, you're basically
going to have to go undefeated or maybe lose to
Texas and win every other game in order to be
considered as the Group of Six champion. That's the highest
rank to get into the CFP. But if you're Oklahoma State,
you're gonna have to finish at least in the top
three of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And if you're Arkansas, you're.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Gonna have to finish at least in the top five
of the Southeast Conference. So yeah, you may go there
and get a little bit more money that you can
put in the bank for a rainy day, or that
your wife can spend, or that you can give to
your kids when they inherit it. But your lifestyle is
not going to change. Football coaches don't have a car payment.
Football coaches get a car given to them by whoever
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the booster is at the school. Football coaches are basically
don't have a big wardrobe. They have one or two
suits and the rest of the time they're in football gear.
They don't have this glamorous lifestyle that you think that
they do. There are some that take advantage of that
as they get a little bit older, but if they're
not nose to the grindstone twenty hours a day, they
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usually feel like somebody else is and that's given them
an advantage. So again, you may make more money, but
you're not necessarily going to win more. And even in
conference play, I think it would be easier to win
the American Conference than it would be the SEC or
the Big Twelve. So those are something. And here's the
last thing. This ridiculous, and it's at the end. If
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this trajectory continues, it won't be his decision if he's
coming back or not. I can't speak for administration, but
I would think that Jeff Trailer's got about ten years
of credit. He's probably the greatest hire in athletics department
history at UTSA, and he's likely the biggest, the best
hire in UTSA history period to give this school and
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the program in the football program not only credibility but
instant's success when he got here. In the first couple
of years. It's really really hard to win, and it's
even harder to win in the nil era era where
so many schools are out poaching your players because they
think they can help them win. And that's where the
NIL money comes in. That's where the fundraisers come in.
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And that's the only thing missing from UTSA being really
good is more money for more better players.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think the thing that when it comes to writers
like this is that unless the think it sources down
like you mentioned, like, it'll still sell.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well what's the guy's name again, Dan Walkin? Dan Walkin?
Is I think, well, first of all, you are right.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I also I also know people in Lubbock and they
said that initially that thought there was a deal in place,
but Trailer Trailer decided he didn't want to go there,
and I didn't really get any reasons why they were.
They actually offered him more money after the first rejection, apparently,
and it still wasn't enough. And I think, and I
don't know if every coach thinks, it's the same way
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that you do, where it's like, oh, I like where
I live, I make this much money.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't want to like all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
But at the very least, you know, coaches are human beings,
and you know what human beings are creatures of comfort.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
We are creatures of habit.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And if nothing else, if you maintain and have maintained
something that you enjoy, overlap, overlap, especially as you get older,
it's very things that you want to change about that
you're very things you want to move on from.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, I think coaches, more than anything else, want the
opportunity to compete. And that's why every one of them,
at whatever level is screaming for a salary cap when
it comes to nil and the revenue share, because it's
not fair to Oklahoma State that they can only come
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up with nine or ten million dollars when Colorado and
Brigham Young and Texas Tech can come up with thirty.
And you're kind of handicapped by the community that you
live in and the wealth of your boosters and the
desire of your boosters to be able to part with
that money so that their football team could be good.
I mean, remember, we only do this twelve weeks a season,
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and we think it's year round, and it kind of
is from a coaching standpoint, but twelve weeks in a
season makes some breaks things. Why do you think Baylor
turned to deaf ear and a blind eye to all
the stuff that was going on when Art Biles was
there because they were sick and tired of losing the
Texas into all the other schools all these times. So
and they were winning, and so we don't really care
how Art Briles is winning. We'll clear up the mask
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when we get to it. And Art Briles did the
right thing. He told his ad, who told the president,
told the regents, and they all try to cover it up.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But we're winning and we can.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Go to the country club on Sunday morning after we've
beaten Texas and get some revenge after them beating us
for thirty years. And so when things are going good,
you don't want to change anything. But coaches want to win,
and coaches want to be on a competitive playing field
in order to win. And so that's why you hear
them talking about the need for nil and facilities and
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travel and all that kind of stuff, because they want
the opportunity to get the best players. And again, they
don't pay for a lot of the expenses in their life.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They don't pay for a car.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
They probably pay for the house, and they have whatever
mortgage they have on the house, which is easily covered
by their deal. And a lot of times they don't
pay for food, and a lot of times they pay
for groceries.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And that's about it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So if you're making three million dollars a year, which
is what I do some quick math here, two hundred
and fifty thousand a month, and after taxes it's one
seventy five. If you're spending thirty of it, you're putting
the rest of the bank. And I don't know how
you're not you're even spending thirty unless you're really unless
you're going to some fancy steakhouse every night. But coaches
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want an opportunity to win, and they want to be
able to be competitive. Winning is what gets them them going.
I go back to a conversation I had with Becky
Hammond the day that she was a few days before
she announced her retirement, and I said, are you going
into coaching? Are you going into broadcasting? And she said,
I'm leaning towards coaching. And I said, you know, if
you go into broadcasting, you never lose, and she said,
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you're right, but you never win either. And about what
it is about people that are of that ILK is
they they live for the win. The win is there
is there is their their drive, their their drive, their drink,
their food, their energy. They are alpha people who are
determined to figure out a way to win no matter what.
And when you give them an opportunity to win, they're
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gonna win. And the question has to be asked, can
I if is am I at a place where I
have a better chance of winning? Or do I need
to leave to have a better chance of winning? And
in the case, if OU opens up, if Texas were
open up, if TCU would open up, if SMU or
Texas Tech, or Alabama or LSU or Auburn or Florida,
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those schools have enough money to be able to compete
the rest of them unless Jerry Jones and Tyson and
Walmart do And here's my question if they were, If
Tyson Walmart and Jerry Jones we're gonna pony up money
for Arkansas to be great, why haven't they done it already?
And so I can't remember when Arkansas finished in the
top third of that of that conference, and I don't
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see it happening anytime soon. All right, let's get to
Chiefs and Jaguars from last night. We'll talk o you
and Texas coming up this weekend. It's all straight ahead.
It's the Andy average show on the ticket.