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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, five o'clock. It's our number two of the program.
Thank you for being part of the show today, and
welcome to the second hour. We'll trying to talk a
lot of football in this hour. Also in the six
o'clock hour, Jeff Trailer will join us. He'll be with
us on Tuesdays at six as he normally is. The
first UTSA Coaches shows coming up in about four weeks
as well on a Wednesday night. Details on that coming
(00:23):
up soon. And we've got news from the NFL to
start this segment, including John Gruden, who says, I hope
I'm not done. I'd really like to coach again now.
He was basically fired or forced to quit with the
Raiders a few years ago when emails leaked out that
had his name on them with all kinds of not
(00:45):
so flattering things that he had to say about certain
groups of people, and the Raiders said, we're not going
to put up with that. The NFL said we're not
going to put up with that, and he was jettisoned
away and then he did the Monday night football stuff
and or he did that before. I thought he was
a great analyst. I really like John Gruden as an
analyst on TV. He's been doing some podcasting stuff and
(01:07):
just kind of keeping busy. But I think they's got
a lot to offer teams as a coach. But the
question has to be asked how long is someone's penance
because we do live in a cancel culture and saying
I'm sorry and trying to do with some kind of
classes or self improvement things to be better are often
(01:30):
just looked as excuses to try to be forgiven. So
do you want John Gruden back in the NFL? Or
is what he did and what he was alleged to have
said in all those emails kind of a lifetime expulsion
from the league.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, like you mentioned, we do unfortunately live in
a culture now where if you say something that offends somebody,
whether it's derogatory of those means or even just disagreeing
saying that the sky's not blue, you have a threat
of being canceled. Now, if he's done the right steps,
(02:06):
gone through the right things, regardless of if people just think,
well it's just a pr thing to make himself. Hey,
he's putting in the effort if nothing else. So this
is this is America. We are a country of second chances.
I don't see why not if nothing, you know what,
if nothing else, Andy bring him back to let him
(02:27):
do the Gruden camp thing, remember that where he would
do the quarterback camp thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
For ESPN, Yeah, I think that I'm not, Well, that's
up to ESPN. ESPN's got its own standards, or do they.
Well they other than Pat McAfee, they have standards. Sure,
at least they pretend to have the huh uh and
and the things that. And again, Disney's a different situation
than everybody else, But I look at it from this standpoint.
(02:54):
At some point, somebody's got to know what their sentence is.
You know, if you commit a crime, you go to JA,
you do your time, and you're free to go. And
unless it's a crime that is a life sentence, or
at some point you have to say okay. And there's
certain crimes that a lot of people think may be repeated,
(03:14):
and there's certain crimes that people don't want those people
living in their neighborhoods. And I certainly understand all of that,
But when it comes to sending an email that was
done when you're probably upset about something in haste, or
it's you grew up in a culture where that was Norman.
You still haven't figured out how to get out of
it yet. I mean, I think a lot of I
(03:35):
think there's a lot of people that have forgiven Michael Vick,
and I think there's a lot of people that will
never forgive Michael Vick. And if you're an animal lover
or dog lover, you don't want to see Michael Vick
walking anywhere near your house or your street forever. But
if you are a football fan, you were glad that
he got to come back and play. And so I
think there's two sides to that. And I do believe
(03:56):
John Gruden is a good football coach. There's no question
in my mind. He's a good football coach. And I
thought he was a great analyst. But the question that
has to be asked, and I think that John has
to ask to probably the commissioner and to the other
owners in the league to I am I worthy of
a lifetime ban from this league or is there something
(04:17):
else I need to do to show that I have
some contrition to allow myself back to what I'm good at,
and that's coaching.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, I can see I can definitely see the double
standard for Gruden because obviously with the NFL, I don't
know if they if they still have them, or if
they took him down, or if they're still going to
have them on the field. You know, you know what
is it stop racism or something like that. So I
can see the double standard. If they decide to do that,
(04:47):
it's well, you're you're being hypocrites for promoting the social
change and ending racism, but you're allowing this guy to
come back in who said some potentially racist thing, but
you're all cool with Okay, we'll just suspend somebody who
beats up their wife for pregnant girlfriend, or.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They did the ray Rice ray Rice did it and
he's gone forever. Well that that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Was also because of we we saw the video, sure,
but but he was going to He did come back,
I think for a few games and then it was
just done. But we see it all the time. Gun charges.
I mean Cavante Turpin a couple of weeks ago had
a got stopped for weed and then unlicensed gun. So
it's like we see gun charges, we see drugs, we
(05:33):
see domestic violence unfortunately, and it's yes, they get suspended,
but they're allowed to come back. So that's where the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Hell, I I think that, and for all the right
reasons we have put us, we're trying desperately to put
a stop to domestic violence. I don't understand why anybody
thinks it's a good idea to ever hit a woman.
I just don't uh, And I don't care, you know,
I don't care what the circumstances are, how angry you
are are, what she does or doesn't do. The domestic
(06:03):
violent stuff was swept under the rug for forty fifty
years in the NFL, as it was with other sports.
We saw it with we see it in baseball, we
see it in other sports. You cannot be part of
a multi billion dollar global enterprise that has creating entertainment
if you're going to do something as anus as that
in your real life. And those players have been dealt
(06:24):
with relatively harshly. Some have been able to come back,
some have not. And I understand the ramifications of doing that,
because there's also criminal penalties that are involved with that.
But I do think, you know, I'm not trying to
make light of having an illegal gun or weed in
your car, but to a certain extent, those are less
(06:47):
I think the society looks those as less of a
punishable crime than domestic violence or other things that have
happened in there, and so when those players come back,
they're given a pass. Rashid Rice is in the in
the Chiefs training camp. There's absolutely no question that he's
going to get a multi game suspension from the NFL
(07:08):
as soon as Roger Goodell figures out what it's going
to be. Uh, he knows it's coming. It may be
two games that may be for it, maybe six, we'll
find out. But the Chiefs are preparing for him not
to play the first part of the season. And that's
because he was driving like a maniac through Dallas and
and hurt somebody. And he should miss some games, and
he should miss some paychecks. And people should use that
as a as a reason to not do dumb things
(07:31):
when they're whether they're on company time or not. Uh.
But I'm just curious about about Gruden. Does he ever
get another chance? And there's a lot of people that
would say no, and there's some that would say yes.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, you know, you say doing dumb things like that.
Remember Plexico Buris yep who shot himself in the foot
and then was with his I think what his own gun. Yeah,
and also got gun trafficking because.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well he took it into a place where they serve
alcohol in New York City, but.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
He also transported it from a dif.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
From New Jersey. Yes, yeah, so he had but he
got two years and he did two years. He did
two years in jail for that because New York and
New Jersey have much different gun laws and the other
parts of the country, especially in Texas. But again, if
you're Plaxicoberras and you are a star player, and this
goes with the Ja Moran thing, why are you bringing
(08:21):
a gun into a nightclub? Well, I need to be
protected on plexicoburras are yes, you are Plexicoberras, and you've
got millions of dollars in the bank. Pick up the phone,
call a service that has licensed people who have the
right to arm themselves that are investigators or bodyguards and
hire them for a couple of hours so that you
can go hang out in the club. And other celebrities
(08:42):
do this all the time. But you think you're above that,
so you're going to try to protect yourself. What if
you actually needed to use that gun for some reason
in the club. You don't want to be the one
that's doing that, you need to have somebody that's licensed
and trained to do it. You are absolutely not licensed
in trade to do it. So I don't understand why
(09:05):
Plexico Buris did that. And he not only shot himself
in the leg, he did two years in jail for it.
And so if you're John Moran or Plexico Burris or
anybody else, there's no reason for you to be the
one that's armed when you go into a club. You
don't need that. You can hire people that are licensed
to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Do you think that maybe John Gruden is just too
old at this point? I mean he sixty one.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, I mean Bill Belichick and coach college at seventy three.
John Gruden can still do it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, I don't know John. Is John Gruden married or
dating to dating eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
If John Gruden is married, then the wife would probably
like for him to go back to coaching and be
back out and be doing something he wants to do.
And if he's not, he would he wants to go
do it. The question is is were those emails damaging
enough to permanently keep him out of coaching and out
of what is I What I just said is a
multi billion dollar industry that is provided entertainment for people
(10:01):
of all ages and creeds and colors and races and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't think it is because if there was a
track record of if this wasn't the first time, like
if they digged deeper in had multiple text messages or
emails from years prior, you know, not just one particular
or two particular emails. If it was fluent throughout him,
(10:25):
you know, throughout his time in the NFL, then I
think you could say, dude, there's no place for you.
It's a one time thing. At least from what we understand.
I would give the guy a second chance, but you
have him on a.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Very tight leash, all right. Christian Wilkins, the guy that
got released from the Raiders the other day, we learned
something that he did that was not necessarily what got
him kicked off the team and cut, but was part
of the I guess, the straw that breaks the camel's back,
so to speak. And apparently he approached a teammate and
(11:01):
either did or attempt to kiss him on the forehead.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well I believe it was he did.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He did, Yeah, yeah, that was the story. And that
particular player I don't know who it was that he kissed,
but he didn't like it very much, and he let everybody.
I'm sure there was some pushing and shoving coming up
after it and all that like, and probably some other
words that you can't say on the radio or anyplace
else in public, and that Christian Wilkins was summoned to
(11:31):
the office soon after and told to turn the playbook.
From the things I've read about Christian Wilkins is that
he is a decent football player, but he's got issues
and those issues need to be resolved before he's going
to be helpful to anybody and to be the teammate
that he needs to be in order to have those
(11:53):
issues not manifest themselves in a locker room, on a bus,
in a hotel room, or in a locker room.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, and I know that there was a story that
said that. One source said, well, it was just done playfully. Again,
we're in a society now of if something makes you uncomfortable,
you are well within your right to be uncomfortable because
it might be fun funny for somebody else, and it
half hearted and just joking around. Somebody else can take
(12:19):
it completely different.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So absolutely, yeah, all right, let's make away from Mark
VanderMeer and have our first visit with him for the
twenty five twenty six football season. That conversation's coming up.
It's the Andy Evergs Show. On the ticket
All right, five o'clock. It's our number two of the program.
Thank you for being part of the show today, and
welcome to the second hour. We'll trying to talk a
lot of football in this hour. Also in the six
o'clock hour, Jeff Trailer will join us. He'll be with
us on Tuesdays at six as he normally is. The
first UTSA Coaches shows coming up in about four weeks
as well on a Wednesday night. Details on that coming
(00:23):
up soon. And we've got news from the NFL to
start this segment, including John Gruden, who says, I hope
I'm not done. I'd really like to coach again now.
He was basically fired or forced to quit with the
Raiders a few years ago when emails leaked out that
had his name on them with all kinds of not
(00:45):
so flattering things that he had to say about certain
groups of people, and the Raiders said, we're not going
to put up with that. The NFL said we're not
going to put up with that, and he was jettisoned
away and then he did the Monday night football stuff
and or he did that before. I thought he was
a great analyst. I really like John Gruden as an
analyst on TV. He's been doing some podcasting stuff and
(01:07):
just kind of keeping busy. But I think they's got
a lot to offer teams as a coach. But the
question has to be asked how long is someone's penance
because we do live in a cancel culture and saying
I'm sorry and trying to do with some kind of
classes or self improvement things to be better are often
(01:30):
just looked as excuses to try to be forgiven. So
do you want John Gruden back in the NFL? Or
is what he did and what he was alleged to have
said in all those emails kind of a lifetime expulsion
from the league.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, like you mentioned, we do unfortunately live in
a culture now where if you say something that offends somebody,
whether it's derogatory of those means or even just disagreeing
saying that the sky's not blue, you have a threat
of being canceled. Now, if he's done the right steps,
(02:06):
gone through the right things, regardless of if people just think,
well it's just a pr thing to make himself. Hey,
he's putting in the effort if nothing else. So this
is this is America. We are a country of second chances.
I don't see why not if nothing, you know what,
if nothing else, Andy bring him back to let him
(02:27):
do the Gruden camp thing, remember that where he would
do the quarterback camp thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
For ESPN, Yeah, I think that I'm not, Well, that's
up to ESPN. ESPN's got its own standards, or do they.
Well they other than Pat McAfee, they have standards. Sure,
at least they pretend to have the huh uh and
and the things that. And again, Disney's a different situation
than everybody else, But I look at it from this standpoint.
(02:54):
At some point, somebody's got to know what their sentence is.
You know, if you commit a crime, you go to JA,
you do your time, and you're free to go. And
unless it's a crime that is a life sentence, or
at some point you have to say okay. And there's
certain crimes that a lot of people think may be repeated,
(03:14):
and there's certain crimes that people don't want those people
living in their neighborhoods. And I certainly understand all of that,
But when it comes to sending an email that was
done when you're probably upset about something in haste, or
it's you grew up in a culture where that was Norman.
You still haven't figured out how to get out of
it yet. I mean, I think a lot of I
(03:35):
think there's a lot of people that have forgiven Michael Vick,
and I think there's a lot of people that will
never forgive Michael Vick. And if you're an animal lover
or dog lover, you don't want to see Michael Vick
walking anywhere near your house or your street forever. But
if you are a football fan, you were glad that
he got to come back and play. And so I
think there's two sides to that. And I do believe
(03:56):
John Gruden is a good football coach. There's no question
in my mind. He's a good football coach. And I
thought he was a great analyst. But the question that
has to be asked, and I think that John has
to ask to probably the commissioner and to the other
owners in the league to I am I worthy of
a lifetime ban from this league or is there something
(04:17):
else I need to do to show that I have
some contrition to allow myself back to what I'm good at,
and that's coaching.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, I can see I can definitely see the double
standard for Gruden because obviously with the NFL, I don't
know if they if they still have them, or if
they took him down, or if they're still going to
have them on the field. You know, you know what
is it stop racism or something like that. So I
can see the double standard. If they decide to do that,
(04:47):
it's well, you're you're being hypocrites for promoting the social
change and ending racism, but you're allowing this guy to
come back in who said some potentially racist thing, but
you're all cool with Okay, we'll just suspend somebody who
beats up their wife for pregnant girlfriend, or.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They did the ray Rice ray Rice did it and
he's gone forever. Well that that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Was also because of we we saw the video, sure,
but but he was going to He did come back,
I think for a few games and then it was
just done. But we see it all the time. Gun charges.
I mean Cavante Turpin a couple of weeks ago had
a got stopped for weed and then unlicensed gun. So
it's like we see gun charges, we see drugs, we
(05:33):
see domestic violence unfortunately, and it's yes, they get suspended,
but they're allowed to come back. So that's where the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Hell, I I think that, and for all the right
reasons we have put us, we're trying desperately to put
a stop to domestic violence. I don't understand why anybody
thinks it's a good idea to ever hit a woman.
I just don't uh, And I don't care, you know,
I don't care what the circumstances are, how angry you
are are, what she does or doesn't do. The domestic
(06:03):
violent stuff was swept under the rug for forty fifty
years in the NFL, as it was with other sports.
We saw it with we see it in baseball, we
see it in other sports. You cannot be part of
a multi billion dollar global enterprise that has creating entertainment
if you're going to do something as anus as that
in your real life. And those players have been dealt
(06:24):
with relatively harshly. Some have been able to come back,
some have not. And I understand the ramifications of doing that,
because there's also criminal penalties that are involved with that.
But I do think, you know, I'm not trying to
make light of having an illegal gun or weed in
your car, but to a certain extent, those are less
(06:47):
I think the society looks those as less of a
punishable crime than domestic violence or other things that have
happened in there, and so when those players come back,
they're given a pass. Rashid Rice is in the in
the Chiefs training camp. There's absolutely no question that he's
going to get a multi game suspension from the NFL
(07:08):
as soon as Roger Goodell figures out what it's going
to be. Uh, he knows it's coming. It may be
two games that may be for it, maybe six, we'll
find out. But the Chiefs are preparing for him not
to play the first part of the season. And that's
because he was driving like a maniac through Dallas and
and hurt somebody. And he should miss some games, and
he should miss some paychecks. And people should use that
as a as a reason to not do dumb things
(07:31):
when they're whether they're on company time or not. Uh.
But I'm just curious about about Gruden. Does he ever
get another chance? And there's a lot of people that
would say no, and there's some that would say yes.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, you know, you say doing dumb things like that.
Remember Plexico Buris yep who shot himself in the foot
and then was with his I think what his own gun. Yeah,
and also got gun trafficking because.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well he took it into a place where they serve
alcohol in New York City, but.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
He also transported it from a dif.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
From New Jersey. Yes, yeah, so he had but he
got two years and he did two years. He did
two years in jail for that because New York and
New Jersey have much different gun laws and the other
parts of the country, especially in Texas. But again, if
you're Plaxicoberras and you are a star player, and this
goes with the Ja Moran thing, why are you bringing
(08:21):
a gun into a nightclub? Well, I need to be
protected on plexicoburras are yes, you are Plexicoberras, and you've
got millions of dollars in the bank. Pick up the phone,
call a service that has licensed people who have the
right to arm themselves that are investigators or bodyguards and
hire them for a couple of hours so that you
can go hang out in the club. And other celebrities
(08:42):
do this all the time. But you think you're above that,
so you're going to try to protect yourself. What if
you actually needed to use that gun for some reason
in the club. You don't want to be the one
that's doing that, you need to have somebody that's licensed
and trained to do it. You are absolutely not licensed
in trade to do it. So I don't understand why
(09:05):
Plexico Buris did that. And he not only shot himself
in the leg, he did two years in jail for it.
And so if you're John Moran or Plexico Burris or
anybody else, there's no reason for you to be the
one that's armed when you go into a club. You
don't need that. You can hire people that are licensed
to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Do you think that maybe John Gruden is just too
old at this point? I mean he sixty one.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, I mean Bill Belichick and coach college at seventy three.
John Gruden can still do it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, I don't know John. Is John Gruden married or
dating to dating eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
If John Gruden is married, then the wife would probably
like for him to go back to coaching and be
back out and be doing something he wants to do.
And if he's not, he would he wants to go
do it. The question is is were those emails damaging
enough to permanently keep him out of coaching and out
of what is I What I just said is a
multi billion dollar industry that is provided entertainment for people
(10:01):
of all ages and creeds and colors and races and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't think it is because if there was a
track record of if this wasn't the first time, like
if they digged deeper in had multiple text messages or
emails from years prior, you know, not just one particular
or two particular emails. If it was fluent throughout him,
(10:25):
you know, throughout his time in the NFL, then I
think you could say, dude, there's no place for you.
It's a one time thing. At least from what we understand.
I would give the guy a second chance, but you
have him on a.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Very tight leash, all right. Christian Wilkins, the guy that
got released from the Raiders the other day, we learned
something that he did that was not necessarily what got
him kicked off the team and cut, but was part
of the I guess, the straw that breaks the camel's back,
so to speak. And apparently he approached a teammate and
(11:01):
either did or attempt to kiss him on the forehead.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well I believe it was he did.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He did, Yeah, yeah, that was the story. And that
particular player I don't know who it was that he kissed,
but he didn't like it very much, and he let everybody.
I'm sure there was some pushing and shoving coming up
after it and all that like, and probably some other
words that you can't say on the radio or anyplace
else in public, and that Christian Wilkins was summoned to
(11:31):
the office soon after and told to turn the playbook.
From the things I've read about Christian Wilkins is that
he is a decent football player, but he's got issues
and those issues need to be resolved before he's going
to be helpful to anybody and to be the teammate
that he needs to be in order to have those
(11:53):
issues not manifest themselves in a locker room, on a bus,
in a hotel room, or in a locker room.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, and I know that there was a story that
said that. One source said, well, it was just done playfully. Again,
we're in a society now of if something makes you uncomfortable,
you are well within your right to be uncomfortable because
it might be fun funny for somebody else, and it
half hearted and just joking around. Somebody else can take
(12:19):
it completely different.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
So absolutely, yeah, all right, let's make away from Mark
VanderMeer and have our first visit with him for the
twenty five twenty six football season. That conversation's coming up.
It's the Andy Evergs Show. On the ticket
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