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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Obviously the news of the day Cowboys related the release
of Trayvon Digs. Still a lot of still a lot
to get to, a lot to unpack, and I'm sure
we'll continue to hear more and more over the next
few days, behind the scenes stuff leaking out. We already
have the report that he defied team orders stayed in Washington,
(00:26):
d C.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To be with family after the Christmas Day game.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm waiting for the inevitability where he goes on Micah's
podcast and then that clip goes viral, because that's what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, it's only a matter of time. And it's funny
you say that there is. We didn't mention it in
the last segment. There is still the potential now that
he has been released, with one game to go, there
is a potential that he has claimed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So he's going through waivers right now, right, I believe
what is it eight and a half mil left would be.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So his cap so you picked up his deal, his
cap it next year is eighteen point four million dollars,
but there's no guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So any team that picks him claims him on waivers
could cut him at the end of the year same
way Cowboys could and wouldn't be Yeah, exactly, wouldn't have
any money left on the books. And it you know,
right now with the Packers looking to, you know, make
a playoff run, you know he wants to be there
with Micah obviously Micah brothers playing well that it's closer
(01:25):
to both the Diggs brothers are making headlines today because
Stefan has his own issues that are bubbling to the
surface of maybe a felony charge and a couple of
misdemeanors relating back to an incident and first week of December.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
We don't judge necessarily, we don't judge.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We allow, We allowed the justice system to play out,
and then we judge. Yeah, it feels like, you know,
Diggs says he's healthy. He's said he's healthy for three
four weeks now. Yeah, I think they're the chances of
him being picked up by a team or probably slim.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But I wouldn't fully eliminate it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But in terms of what it does for the Cowboys
cap space and the Cowboys roster situation, uh, it basically
shaves twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And a half million dollars off the cap for next year.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, because you're so like, and I'll expand it a
little bit, so you got you are going to have
some dead money hit for this year and in the
next year. But as that goes along, the cap space
that you save overall is going to increase as well,
just because like because until someone like accumulates the contract,
I think after twenty seven is when is when the
is when like the cap space would end at that
(02:37):
Point'm pretty sure is how the contract is set up.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's after twenty six. So he's got twelve million dead
money this year.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So it's only one more year.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, in the one more year, it's five point eight
five point nine million dead money. But because it's an
overlap of what they owe you know all that, so
it saves twelve and a half million despite still being
the almost six million dead cap on there.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And for those that are know like dead money, essentially
it's not the same thing as a cap hit. It's
just less cap money that you can roll over with,
and then the money you saved later on is base
on the contract situation.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And of course all of this is dependent on the
Cowboys actually spending that money, because.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
We knew, you know, when they didn't give Micah his money.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
They had the most available cap space in the NFL,
and after they signed Bland and Tyler Smith, they still
had the money to go out and trade for a
guy like Quinn Williams and absorb his cap hit and
they're still in good They're not in salary cap hell
like a lot of teams are, and this move, combined
(03:38):
with the potential Terrence Steel exodus, will leave them with
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To play with come the offseason.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I know we're gonna touch on Steel in a second,
and I know we brought trades. I feel like that's
gonna be carried over to this conversation also. But like
I would at least like to credit the Cowboys for
the Quinn Williams trade.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A lot of people didn't like you to give it
a first for him.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I was okay, get a first for him because it
included dumping the Mazi deal as well. So essentially that
to me, that so essentially to me, I feel like
it would first, but also getting rid of Mazi sort
of offset. It's where like you only really get up
a second because you already have three first over the
next two years anyway, and you got Quinn Williams out
of the deal. So I think the optics show like
(04:16):
that's actually a really good trade for them as far
as like this offseason, because I feel like you and
I both know we know the Cowboys. If you're a
Cowboys fan, you know what's gonna happen. So after the
first two first round picks, they have no picks again
to the fourth round. There is no way they're just
gonna go two rounds. What is that like eighty picks
between without without making some kind of move, It's just
(04:37):
not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's why. So right now as the UH.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
As the record set currently, yeah, the Cowboys are looking
like that first pick will be somewhere between thirteenth and
fifteenth overall. So that pick, you've got to get a
foundational piece. Now what direction you go with that? I
would say first and foremost pass. Yes, that is the
one that immediately comes to mind. The other question in
(05:05):
this though, the Tyler Smith aspect of all of this
and how it can change. So we saw him slide
out to left tackle on Christmas Day against Washington. They
signed him to the long term deal based on guard
numbers league wide, the money for an all pro guard
(05:28):
versus the money for an All Pro tackle is quite different.
So if they're there, if they're going to move him
out to left tackle, they've saved some money in the
short term, but he's going to want to restructure that
fairly quickly, or at least to get him up closer
to the league's highest paid left tackle. But if you
can do that, that to me alleviates a lot of
(05:50):
the concern about letting a guy like Terrence still leave
the organization not having to spend an.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Early draft pick on another lineman.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You have Tyler Guidon, who's still you're waiting to see
if he's even.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Gonna be a piece moving forward.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But if Tyler Smith can become that foundational piece at
left tackle, I think that allows you to get a
little more creative with these draft picks because assuming you're
looking for a pass rusher with the first pick, I
think that second pick the Packers pick, depending on how
far they go in the playoffs, will determine what number
(06:27):
it falls for the Cowboys to pick.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I would assume that is a.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Prime trade back trade down, get a second and a third,
get a second or fourth, get more quantity of picks.
Giving up that second first round pick.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't disagree just because like they did that a
couple years ago to get Tyler Guiden, you know, because
they hadn't because they wanted the extra extra draft pick
on Day two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Remember, they moved back behind it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think six spaces to get Tyler Guiden at twenty
eight in stead of twenty two, and they end up
getting extra third round pick out of that trade. I
don't hate the idea because I've been saying years Tyler
Goiden needs to play right tackle because it's a similar
situation that they have with Byron Jones. Barron Jones was
a really good cornerback that they wanted to play safety.
Now he's a solid safety, but he was an All
Pro cornerback. Tyler Goiden has made strides this year at
(07:13):
left tackle. He's not being replaced by Chum Doga anymore.
He's your best off ative tackle. But I think you
and I both agree that sometimes it's better to play
someone where they were their strongest. He should go back
to right tackle. Whether or not Tyler Smith is your
long term solution at left tackle or not is to
me irrelevant. I would rather play Tyler Gudan, which at
the place that makes him stronger, which is right tackle,
and at Tyler Smith is your left tackle, I think TJ.
(07:35):
Bass has been solid as as your interior guard replacement.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, and if you're looking at, you know, ways to
build this offensive line with not having to massively invest financially, sure,
having Tyler Smith and BB on both sides of a
guy like Bass playing left guard, I think he could.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I think you could do much.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Worse than that, because you run the zone a lot
to that side exactly, and you're thinking about all of
the holes this team has.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know, Wrankleman, what.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Order safety exactly. We're only on defense right now, and that's.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The majority of I think what the draft will be
focused on real quickly. One other note, it sounds like
there is mutual interest from both sides for a reunion
with Jadeveon Clowney next year as well if he if
he's on a respectable number, I absolutely love the idea
because it's I think he's shown he still has quite
(08:31):
a bit love.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, he was your highest rated edge rusher this season,
and that's even from what I would call admirably solid
play from your second round draft pick Domineza Roku, and
you saw good off the bench use of guys like
James Houston, but guys like Sam Williams really didn't give
you much this year. Dante Faller didn't give you much
this year. Peyton Turner was a no show. He was
he was hurt all year. So Javin Clowney, even at
(08:53):
thirty three, I can respect because he talked about like
how he keeps himself in a shape over offseason. He
doesn't sign early in the offseason because then he had
to go into camp and go through the workouts.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He works at himself, and then he signed some time in.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
August or whatever it is, joins the team, learns the playbook,
and joins that way, so he's able to stay healthier
for the year. And it's works for him because even
though he's a year by year type of guy, he's
a guy who will play the run really well for you.
And on this team, he's been your best pass rusher
as well. So I would take it back in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, And it's not gonna take a massive financial commitment
to get that done. So still so many questions left
with this Cowboys team going into next year. Let's put
them to bed, at least for a minute. At least
for at least until the new year, because coming up
next I have an update on the year of the bit.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Ooh chickens utsa basketball plays here.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Here he does that James Harden euro step and gets
it across the time line them off print Transition three
full five
Obviously the news of the day Cowboys related the release
of Trayvon Digs. Still a lot of still a lot
to get to, a lot to unpack, and I'm sure
we'll continue to hear more and more over the next
few days, behind the scenes stuff leaking out. We already
have the report that he defied team orders stayed in Washington,
(00:26):
d C.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
To be with family after the Christmas Day game.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm waiting for the inevitability where he goes on Micah's
podcast and then that clip goes viral, because that's what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, it's only a matter of time. And it's funny
you say that there is. We didn't mention it in
the last segment. There is still the potential now that
he has been released, with one game to go, there
is a potential that he has claimed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So he's going through waivers right now, right, I believe
what is it eight and a half mil left would be.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So his cap so you picked up his deal, his
cap it next year is eighteen point four million dollars,
but there's no guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So any team that picks him claims him on waivers
could cut him at the end of the year same
way Cowboys could and wouldn't be Yeah, exactly, wouldn't have
any money left on the books. And it you know,
right now with the Packers looking to, you know, make
a playoff run, you know he wants to be there
with Micah obviously Micah brothers playing well that it's closer
(01:25):
to both the Diggs brothers are making headlines today because
Stefan has his own issues that are bubbling to the
surface of maybe a felony charge and a couple of
misdemeanors relating back to an incident and first week of December.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
We don't judge necessarily, we don't judge.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
We allow, We allowed the justice system to play out,
and then we judge. Yeah, it feels like, you know,
Diggs says he's healthy. He's said he's healthy for three
four weeks now. Yeah, I think they're the chances of
him being picked up by a team or probably slim.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But I wouldn't fully eliminate it.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But in terms of what it does for the Cowboys
cap space and the Cowboys roster situation, uh, it basically
shaves twelve.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And a half million dollars off the cap for next year.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, because you're so like, and I'll expand it a
little bit, so you got you are going to have
some dead money hit for this year and in the
next year. But as that goes along, the cap space
that you save overall is going to increase as well,
just because like because until someone like accumulates the contract,
I think after twenty seven is when is when the
is when like the cap space would end at that
(02:37):
Point'm pretty sure is how the contract is set up.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's after twenty six. So he's got twelve million dead
money this year.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So it's only one more year.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Okay, in the one more year, it's five point eight
five point nine million dead money. But because it's an
overlap of what they owe you know all that, so
it saves twelve and a half million despite still being
the almost six million dead cap on there.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And for those that are know like dead money, essentially
it's not the same thing as a cap hit. It's
just less cap money that you can roll over with,
and then the money you saved later on is base
on the contract situation.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And of course all of this is dependent on the
Cowboys actually spending that money, because.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
We knew, you know, when they didn't give Micah his money.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
They had the most available cap space in the NFL,
and after they signed Bland and Tyler Smith, they still
had the money to go out and trade for a
guy like Quinn Williams and absorb his cap hit and
they're still in good They're not in salary cap hell
like a lot of teams are, and this move, combined
(03:38):
with the potential Terrence Steel exodus, will leave them with
a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To play with come the offseason.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I know we're gonna touch on Steel in a second,
and I know we brought trades. I feel like that's
gonna be carried over to this conversation also. But like
I would at least like to credit the Cowboys for
the Quinn Williams trade.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A lot of people didn't like you to give it
a first for him.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I was okay, get a first for him because it
included dumping the Mazi deal as well. So essentially that
to me, that so essentially to me, I feel like
it would first, but also getting rid of Mazi sort
of offset. It's where like you only really get up
a second because you already have three first over the
next two years anyway, and you got Quinn Williams out
of the deal. So I think the optics show like
(04:16):
that's actually a really good trade for them as far
as like this offseason, because I feel like you and
I both know we know the Cowboys. If you're a
Cowboys fan, you know what's gonna happen. So after the
first two first round picks, they have no picks again
to the fourth round. There is no way they're just
gonna go two rounds. What is that like eighty picks
between without without making some kind of move, It's just
(04:37):
not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's why. So right now as the UH.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
As the record set currently, yeah, the Cowboys are looking
like that first pick will be somewhere between thirteenth and
fifteenth overall. So that pick, you've got to get a
foundational piece. Now what direction you go with that? I
would say first and foremost pass. Yes, that is the
one that immediately comes to mind. The other question in
(05:05):
this though, the Tyler Smith aspect of all of this
and how it can change. So we saw him slide
out to left tackle on Christmas Day against Washington. They
signed him to the long term deal based on guard
numbers league wide, the money for an all pro guard
(05:28):
versus the money for an All Pro tackle is quite different.
So if they're there, if they're going to move him
out to left tackle, they've saved some money in the
short term, but he's going to want to restructure that
fairly quickly, or at least to get him up closer
to the league's highest paid left tackle. But if you
can do that, that to me alleviates a lot of
(05:50):
the concern about letting a guy like Terrence still leave
the organization not having to spend an.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Early draft pick on another lineman.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You have Tyler Guidon, who's still you're waiting to see
if he's even.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Gonna be a piece moving forward.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But if Tyler Smith can become that foundational piece at
left tackle, I think that allows you to get a
little more creative with these draft picks because assuming you're
looking for a pass rusher with the first pick, I
think that second pick the Packers pick, depending on how
far they go in the playoffs, will determine what number
(06:27):
it falls for the Cowboys to pick.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I would assume that is a.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Prime trade back trade down, get a second and a third,
get a second or fourth, get more quantity of picks.
Giving up that second first round pick.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't disagree just because like they did that a
couple years ago to get Tyler Guiden, you know, because
they hadn't because they wanted the extra extra draft pick
on Day two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Remember, they moved back behind it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think six spaces to get Tyler Guiden at twenty
eight in stead of twenty two, and they end up
getting extra third round pick out of that trade. I
don't hate the idea because I've been saying years Tyler
Goiden needs to play right tackle because it's a similar
situation that they have with Byron Jones. Barron Jones was
a really good cornerback that they wanted to play safety.
Now he's a solid safety, but he was an All
Pro cornerback. Tyler Goiden has made strides this year at
(07:13):
left tackle. He's not being replaced by Chum Doga anymore.
He's your best off ative tackle. But I think you
and I both agree that sometimes it's better to play
someone where they were their strongest. He should go back
to right tackle. Whether or not Tyler Smith is your
long term solution at left tackle or not is to
me irrelevant. I would rather play Tyler Gudan, which at
the place that makes him stronger, which is right tackle,
and at Tyler Smith is your left tackle, I think TJ.
(07:35):
Bass has been solid as as your interior guard replacement.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, and if you're looking at, you know, ways to
build this offensive line with not having to massively invest financially, sure,
having Tyler Smith and BB on both sides of a
guy like Bass playing left guard, I think he could.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I think you could do much.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Worse than that, because you run the zone a lot
to that side exactly, and you're thinking about all of
the holes this team has.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know, Wrankleman, what.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Order safety exactly. We're only on defense right now, and that's.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
The majority of I think what the draft will be
focused on real quickly. One other note, it sounds like
there is mutual interest from both sides for a reunion
with Jadeveon Clowney next year as well if he if
he's on a respectable number, I absolutely love the idea
because it's I think he's shown he still has quite
(08:31):
a bit love.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, he was your highest rated edge rusher this season,
and that's even from what I would call admirably solid
play from your second round draft pick Domineza Roku, and
you saw good off the bench use of guys like
James Houston, but guys like Sam Williams really didn't give
you much this year. Dante Faller didn't give you much
this year. Peyton Turner was a no show. He was
he was hurt all year. So Javin Clowney, even at
(08:53):
thirty three, I can respect because he talked about like
how he keeps himself in a shape over offseason. He
doesn't sign early in the offseason because then he had
to go into camp and go through the workouts.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
He works at himself, and then he signed some time in.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
August or whatever it is, joins the team, learns the playbook,
and joins that way, so he's able to stay healthier
for the year. And it's works for him because even
though he's a year by year type of guy, he's
a guy who will play the run really well for you.
And on this team, he's been your best pass rusher
as well. So I would take it back in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, And it's not gonna take a massive financial commitment
to get that done. So still so many questions left
with this Cowboys team going into next year. Let's put
them to bed, at least for a minute. At least
for at least until the new year, because coming up
next I have an update on the year of the bit.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Ooh chickens utsa basketball plays here.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Here he does that James Harden euro step and gets
it across the time line them off print Transition three
full five
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