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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Tom Thibodeau. Yeah, surprising, got blown up from the Knicks today,
very surprising over game one? Or is it because they
have a point guard that's like five eleven. I think
I love Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I do too, but unfortunately you saw it when it
comes when it came to crunch time, him and Karl
Anthony Towns are very defensive liabilities because Tom Thibodeau, and
it is Thibodeaux, not not not Thibodeaux, it's Thibeau, Thibodeau.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
He would take them off the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And to me, it's I look at it from the
perspective of you want to be classified as a star,
you need to be playing both ways, even if you're
in an average defensive player. But if you're getting taken
off the floor in crunch time because you're a defensive liability,
that says a.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Lot well, and Tibbs teams are all defensive minded. Yeah,
so if you're not playing a defense for Tibbs, you're
not playing that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, you can you can compare it to how
Pop was is. You could be the worst, you know,
the worst player in the league, but if you played
your ass off on defense, Pop's gonna find a spot
for you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And that's kind of like how Tibbs was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think, what what Tibbs's downfall for New York, And
again I was surprised to see it, although I did
tell Andy at the beginning of the playoffs when they
were playing the Pistons that if the Pistons did happen
to win that series, was there a chance that Tibbs
(01:44):
could have been fired?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And he was.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I think he was a little fifty to fifty, but
you could make the you could argue the case that
he could have been. But then obviously they beat the Pistons,
and you know, whether you want to say they lucked
out the fact that they were able to beat the
Celtics without Jalen Jason Tatum, even though it was for
two games. They felt it was the Celtics. I thought
(02:09):
they did him wrong. But for me, I think what
it comes down to is the fact that Tibbs is
very old school and is not willing to somewhat adjust
his game. You gotta go more than just six or
sevent deep. You know, he didn't play his bench well
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's interesting because you know, when you I always thought
that visually and I did this is just just from
a visual standpoint that Tibbs didn't really fit New York.
He's not cut from the the pat Riley mold. He's
(02:50):
not cut from the Eric Spolster mode. He's not He's
not like that. Now, some of the names that are
being thrown around, like j Jay Wright right kind of
is you know, he kind of is, you know, he's
he's he's old school, but he's not. But Tibbs is
one of those kind of guys. You know, New York
(03:11):
and the Knicks as from my vantage point, and I
you know, I don't really like the Knicks. I talked
to somebody yesterday. They said, I just can't put my
finger on it. I've hated the New York Knicks forever.
But they play a brand of basketball from which I
am not familiar.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They just they're old school.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you have an old school coach and an old
school team trying to fit into the new era of
whatever it is that they do. Yeah, it just it's
very interesting that it happened so quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, because there was we weren't really hearing I mean again,
outside outside of Andy and myself, we weren't really hearing
any type of rumblings whatsoever that he was on the
hot seat or his job could potentially be in jeopardy.
I think it's a little bit of an overreaction by
(04:12):
the organization because again these yeah Tibbs has made the
Knicks relevant. Yeah, Like, I think what for to the
last five years they've been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
One of the things that they kept talking about was,
you know, if the Knicks can actually win, it'll be
the first time in twenty five years and the first
time in twenty five years that they were in the finals.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, in the conference finals twenty five years. Yeah, Now they.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Happened to be playing a team that had also been
twenty four years since they'd been to the conference finals.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I put a little bit a little bit of this
on what I was telling Andy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I don't hate the city of New York whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I'm I'm not a fan of Knicks fans because they
have a little bit of that to me entitlementness of
them to where, hey, we're Knicks fans. The world revolves
around us, you know, even even if we've won only
twenty games, we're gonna make it sound like and seem
(05:10):
like the world revolves around us again.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I like Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I actually thought that the offseason trade last year for you, Carlin, Yeah,
when they got rid of Julius Randol for Karl Anthony Towns,
I thought it worked out perfect for both teams.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well, I was sad to see Dante leave.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh Devincenzo, Yeah yeah, but I mean even then, it's
how much would have Tibbs played him? Again, I go
back to I think it's an overreaction by the by
the organization, but it's what they do, it's what they
they have. It seems like they have no pa, no patience.
(05:51):
I think I heard that because he's been there five years. Yeah,
he's been the longest tenured Knicks coach since Van Gundy, right,
and and that's saying something.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And and the only image of Van Gundy I have
is is him attached on was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It was it? Uh morning, Yeah, something like that. But
uh yeah, it's it. You can look at it from
the perspective of are teams just not willing to have
any more patience than that?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean well you can even you can argue pat
that next year, depending on what happens with Giannis, whether
he stays at Milwaukee or goes. The East is almost
wide open because the Celtics are gonna have to make
drastic moves. Jason Tatum's gonna be out at least for
(06:42):
you know, all Star Break, if not longer. Who knows
what happens to to Jalen Brown because he had a
little bit of a setback with a possible uh with
with a partial tear. But are they gonna have to
move off of him because they're gonna be like half
a billion dollars in the luxury tax.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah. So, and then with Damian Lillard being out, Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Tie Ties Cabs, what happens with them? The East is
almost up for grabs. Well, but the East has been
almost up for grabs. Only in the last couple of
years has the East actually had anything going for it
with with Boston playing the way they were playing, Yeah,
because you know, Miami was was there then they weren't.
(07:27):
Well when Milwaukee won, I mean that was a that
was a big deal for them. But you know, it's
always at the beginning of the year is always okay.
On the West we have you know, fourteen teams that
can get in, yeah, and on the East we have
three four maybe you know, I mean I mean, congratulations
(07:48):
to Detroit making the making the comebacks that they've made.
And as long as you know, I don't want to
make complete fun of him, but way to go Cleveland.
Cleveland's back, you know, sorry, toy I And I saw
I saw something today that said, you know a big,
big you know, three way three way trade rumor, Yeah,
(08:08):
which is garbage.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, somebody fed it into the trade machine.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well and in the NBA two K and said, what
happens if we take Donovan Mitchell and move him this way?
I can tell you what happens, big revolt. That's what happens.
Also completely off subject, you know, for things that happened,
I would be remiss. This is this is important. Jim Marshall,
(08:34):
who was a defensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings in
the mid sixties to early seventies. Jim Marshall he passed
away to at the age of eighty seven. Now, Jim
Marshall is famous for I'll just he's not wrong way, Corgan,
but it's wrong way Marshall. He he recovered a fumble
(08:59):
in a Minneso Oda game and ran it back the
wrong way for a touchdown. And every once in a
while they will show they will show footage of it.
I mean I've seen it before. He was part of
the Purple People Leaders with uh Chief Justice Alan Page.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That's a name, Alan Chief just no.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He became a Chief Justice afterward, Alan Page, Carl Eller
and Gary Larson, and they were formidable, uh in in
the in the sixties. They were you know, that was
that was the thing. They used to have such great
names because you had you had uh, the Purple People Leaders, Okay,
(09:49):
the Defense, you had the Doomsday, you had the the
Fearsome Forsome in Los Angeles with Rosie Greer and and
and those guys Merlin Olsen who later on became a
movie star. Not in Little House on the Prairie that was,
but one of those one of those kind of shows.
(10:13):
Steve Curtain is another one. You know, back in the
day they had those those names. And that that would
be Alan Page, that would be Jim Marshall who passed
away to at the age of eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And I just needed to mention that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was the original Iron Man. Did not realize he
held the record before far broke it. Yeap, two straight games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Man, straight games, and I guarantee you his knuckles were
just mangled beyond belief. We have more coming up. I
have no idea where we're going with the show, but
we'll just get in the get in the car and
we'll drive there.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Take at supports time for thirty two
Tom Thibodeau. Yeah, surprising, got blown up from the Knicks today,
very surprising over game one? Or is it because they
have a point guard that's like five eleven. I think
I love Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I do too, but unfortunately you saw it when it
comes when it came to crunch time, him and Karl
Anthony Towns are very defensive liabilities because Tom Thibodeau, and
it is Thibodeaux, not not not Thibodeaux, it's Thibeau, Thibodeau.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
He would take them off the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And to me, it's I look at it from the
perspective of you want to be classified as a star,
you need to be playing both ways, even if you're
in an average defensive player. But if you're getting taken
off the floor in crunch time because you're a defensive liability,
that says a.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Lot well, and Tibbs teams are all defensive minded. Yeah,
so if you're not playing a defense for Tibbs, you're
not playing that.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, you can you can compare it to how
Pop was is. You could be the worst, you know,
the worst player in the league, but if you played
your ass off on defense, Pop's gonna find a spot
for you.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And that's kind of like how Tibbs was.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think, what what Tibbs's downfall for New York, And
again I was surprised to see it, although I did
tell Andy at the beginning of the playoffs when they
were playing the Pistons that if the Pistons did happen
to win that series, was there a chance that Tibbs
(01:44):
could have been fired?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And he was.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I think he was a little fifty to fifty, but
you could make the you could argue the case that
he could have been. But then obviously they beat the Pistons,
and you know, whether you want to say they lucked
out the fact that they were able to beat the
Celtics without Jalen Jason Tatum, even though it was for
two games. They felt it was the Celtics. I thought
(02:09):
they did him wrong. But for me, I think what
it comes down to is the fact that Tibbs is
very old school and is not willing to somewhat adjust
his game. You gotta go more than just six or
sevent deep. You know, he didn't play his bench well
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's interesting because you know, when you I always thought
that visually and I did this is just just from
a visual standpoint that Tibbs didn't really fit New York.
He's not cut from the the pat Riley mold. He's
(02:50):
not cut from the Eric Spolster mode. He's not He's
not like that. Now, some of the names that are
being thrown around, like j Jay Wright right kind of
is you know, he kind of is, you know, he's
he's he's old school, but he's not. But Tibbs is
one of those kind of guys. You know, New York
(03:11):
and the Knicks as from my vantage point, and I
you know, I don't really like the Knicks. I talked
to somebody yesterday. They said, I just can't put my
finger on it. I've hated the New York Knicks forever.
But they play a brand of basketball from which I
am not familiar.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They just they're old school.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you have an old school coach and an old
school team trying to fit into the new era of
whatever it is that they do. Yeah, it just it's
very interesting that it happened so quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, because there was we weren't really hearing I mean again,
outside outside of Andy and myself, we weren't really hearing
any type of rumblings whatsoever that he was on the
hot seat or his job could potentially be in jeopardy.
I think it's a little bit of an overreaction by
(04:12):
the organization because again these yeah Tibbs has made the
Knicks relevant. Yeah, Like, I think what for to the
last five years they've been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
One of the things that they kept talking about was,
you know, if the Knicks can actually win, it'll be
the first time in twenty five years and the first
time in twenty five years that they were in the finals.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, in the conference finals twenty five years. Yeah, Now they.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Happened to be playing a team that had also been
twenty four years since they'd been to the conference finals.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I put a little bit a little bit of this
on what I was telling Andy.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I don't hate the city of New York whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I'm I'm not a fan of Knicks fans because they
have a little bit of that to me entitlementness of
them to where, hey, we're Knicks fans. The world revolves
around us, you know, even even if we've won only
twenty games, we're gonna make it sound like and seem
(05:10):
like the world revolves around us again.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I like Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I actually thought that the offseason trade last year for you, Carlin, Yeah,
when they got rid of Julius Randol for Karl Anthony Towns,
I thought it worked out perfect for both teams.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well, I was sad to see Dante leave.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh Devincenzo, Yeah yeah, but I mean even then, it's
how much would have Tibbs played him? Again, I go
back to I think it's an overreaction by the by
the organization, but it's what they do, it's what they
they have. It seems like they have no pa, no patience.
(05:51):
I think I heard that because he's been there five years. Yeah,
he's been the longest tenured Knicks coach since Van Gundy, right,
and and that's saying something.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And and the only image of Van Gundy I have
is is him attached on was.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It was it? Uh morning, Yeah, something like that. But
uh yeah, it's it. You can look at it from
the perspective of are teams just not willing to have
any more patience than that?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean well you can even you can argue pat
that next year, depending on what happens with Giannis, whether
he stays at Milwaukee or goes. The East is almost
wide open because the Celtics are gonna have to make
drastic moves. Jason Tatum's gonna be out at least for
(06:42):
you know, all Star Break, if not longer. Who knows
what happens to to Jalen Brown because he had a
little bit of a setback with a possible uh with
with a partial tear. But are they gonna have to
move off of him because they're gonna be like half
a billion dollars in the luxury tax.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah. So, and then with Damian Lillard being out, Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Tie Ties Cabs, what happens with them? The East is
almost up for grabs. Well, but the East has been
almost up for grabs. Only in the last couple of
years has the East actually had anything going for it
with with Boston playing the way they were playing, Yeah,
because you know, Miami was was there then they weren't.
(07:27):
Well when Milwaukee won, I mean that was a that
was a big deal for them. But you know, it's
always at the beginning of the year is always okay.
On the West we have you know, fourteen teams that
can get in, yeah, and on the East we have
three four maybe you know, I mean I mean, congratulations
(07:48):
to Detroit making the making the comebacks that they've made.
And as long as you know, I don't want to
make complete fun of him, but way to go Cleveland.
Cleveland's back, you know, sorry, toy I And I saw
I saw something today that said, you know a big,
big you know, three way three way trade rumor, Yeah,
(08:08):
which is garbage.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, somebody fed it into the trade machine.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Well and in the NBA two K and said, what
happens if we take Donovan Mitchell and move him this way?
I can tell you what happens, big revolt. That's what happens.
Also completely off subject, you know, for things that happened,
I would be remiss. This is this is important. Jim Marshall,
(08:34):
who was a defensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings in
the mid sixties to early seventies. Jim Marshall he passed
away to at the age of eighty seven. Now, Jim
Marshall is famous for I'll just he's not wrong way, Corgan,
but it's wrong way Marshall. He he recovered a fumble
(08:59):
in a Minneso Oda game and ran it back the
wrong way for a touchdown. And every once in a
while they will show they will show footage of it.
I mean I've seen it before. He was part of
the Purple People Leaders with uh Chief Justice Alan Page.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That's a name, Alan Chief just no.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He became a Chief Justice afterward, Alan Page, Carl Eller
and Gary Larson, and they were formidable, uh in in
the in the sixties. They were you know, that was
that was the thing. They used to have such great
names because you had you had uh, the Purple People Leaders, Okay,
(09:49):
the Defense, you had the Doomsday, you had the the
Fearsome Forsome in Los Angeles with Rosie Greer and and
and those guys Merlin Olsen who later on became a
movie star. Not in Little House on the Prairie that was,
but one of those one of those kind of shows.
(10:13):
Steve Curtain is another one. You know, back in the
day they had those those names. And that that would
be Alan Page, that would be Jim Marshall who passed
away to at the age of eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And I just needed to mention that.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He was the original Iron Man. Did not realize he
held the record before far broke it. Yeap, two straight games.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Man, straight games, and I guarantee you his knuckles were
just mangled beyond belief. We have more coming up. I
have no idea where we're going with the show, but
we'll just get in the get in the car and
we'll drive there.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Take at supports time for thirty two
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