October 7, 2025 • 15 mins
Between OU & Texas, this game is a ‘must win’ for both, for different reasons.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Fifteen or so minutes away from Mark VanderMeer.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We'll talk about the Texans big win going into the
bye week. They're feeling very good about themselves, and they
should after beating a team that they should have beaten.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We didn't know that with that.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Baltimore was going to be as beat up as they
were going into the season, but the Texans took care
of business early and often the other day against them.
We'll get into Mark's thoughts on all of that. Auburn
is going to play a home game on the road.
Not a big fan of that. We'll talk about what
they're going to do coming up in just a little
bit as well. It's Oh you and Texas this weekend,
and John Mattier says, I want to play my hand
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feels good?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They need to X ray this thing and make sure
that that bonus is healed. This is in your throwing in.
I don't know what John Mattier's NFL status is going
to be, but he certainly has the confidence. He was
the highest rated transfer guy this past year.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes he was.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And OU's got things going right now, but they're about
to enter a stretch where it is going to be
really really difficult for them to stay unscathed, and it's
basically the next six weeks it's going to determine their
CFP chances, and most importantly, it's gonna probably determine Brett
Venable's fate as the coach at OU. It's the Texas
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game this weekend is a must must win for Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's not a must win for OU.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now, OU fans probably don't want to hear that, because
anytime that you play Texas it's a must win. I mean,
sometimes you're judged by how often you beat Texas. But
it's important for Texas to win this game or their
chances of the CFP are going to go further south
than they already are. In fact, I think Texas probably
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has to win out. They may get one miss up
between now and then, but they got to beat They've
got to beat everybody going forward if they're going to
if they're going to get in that college football playoff
and get one of the Southeastern Conference, which we kind
of think is going to be pretty much four teams.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Andy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm gonna be honest, I think Texas might struggle to
be BOY eligible.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Their schedule is actually harder for in my opinion, than Oklahoma,
especially given where both teams are at right now. The
Long Words that have two losses right now, right yep.
If we assume, just to be fair, that they will
lose to every ranked team left on their schedule, that's
six losses right there. And you have to hope they
get a win out of Kentucky, missip sit in Arkansas,
which right now we can't comfortably say they would.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
True, yeah, they but I think they'll figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think Texas is going to beat those those lesser
teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'll get to the Texas schedule in a second, but
here's what OU has at South Carolina, home with Old Miss,
at Tennessee at Alabama, home with Missouri, and home with LSU. Uh.
That's what's coming up, and South Carolina is always going
to be a tough aut bet. That'll be a night
game in South Carolina, the Old Miss game. I think
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Ole Miss is good, but I don't think they're great.
I think they're better at home than they're on the road.
Tennessee is a hard, hard place to play, so is Alabama.
Missouri is one of those teams that I don't think
is great, but they always seem to play well against OU,
and then you never know about LSU. So I think, oh,
you could lose to Texas as long as they didn't
lose to anybody else and still maybe even make the
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SEC Championship game. But Texas is in dire straits right
now if they lose this game because some of the
teams that you said that they have to play going forward.
This is a must game for them coming up. And
that's why if I'm if there's any doubt about John
Mattier's status and about how good his hand he is,
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I would at least see if Hawkins can beat Texas
because Texas has got to figure out I think the
biggest problem for Texas isn't OU. It's about themselves. Can
they execute their offense? Their defense has been pretty decent
for most of the year, but can their offense score
enough points? And they're probably going to have to score
thirty points to beat O. You whether Michael Hawkins plays
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or Materi plays, but you're gonna can the offense get
on track to beat OU? That's the question for Texas. So,
but oh, you still has this. I think this is
OU's mulligan. But then if you lose this game to
a what we are perceiving to be a weaker Texas team,
then what's your mindset going into that gauntlet with the
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teams I just mentioned? Do you feel confident that you
can beat them? If you go in and beat Texas,
you know, forty two to twenty one, and it's a
pretty convincing win. Now, you're feeling pretty good about yourself
going to South Carolina next week and hosting Ole Miss
and going back to back with Tennessee and Alabama. But
if you lose to this team, now you're starting to
be a little bit doubtful and you're second guessing yourself
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way too much.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So important for OU, but a mush for Texas.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
To be honest, when I look at OU's schedule, the
only losses that I can say, in my opinion, I
can say right now that I think they will absolutely
not be able to win is Knoxville and in TUSCALOOSID.
And it's not just it's a road team, but I
think right now those two teams are playing some of
the best ball, if at least in the Alabama. Yeah,
I think I think the lost might have kickstarted something
in there. They're still not as threatening as they once were,
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but they definitely have played a lot better since the loss.
But I look at ole Miss, LSU, and Missouri the
other ranked teams on their schedule there, I think the
ranking might scw how we look at them because LSU
we came into the season thinking they will be a
championship contender, but garrettnus Meyer has not looked as good
as he was last year, and the defense has kind
of carried them in a similar way that Texas is playing.
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Missouri is playing a lot of close games and they're
controlling games primarily on the ground with the Mad Harvey
I believe his name is the running back and South
Carolina and ole Miss South Carolina. Unfortunately for them, they've
been dealing with injuries early and ole Miss has been
playing really good, but they've also played a lot of
closer games than need be and I think the ranking
might have been a little high on them. I think
they just got a lot of love because of the
I believe it was the Georgia win that they had.
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I think that Ole Miss is probably due for a
slip up, whereas Texas right now, if you're Texas, you
you have two losses against the two team against two
teams while they are good, but you didn't play well
against teams that you.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Beat really well.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm concerned if I'm Texas, because if you don't beat Oklahoma,
you have to ash up here a Texas player or
a fan. Where do we get the other wins on
this schedule? Because I'm not confident enough of what I've
seen from the long Horns that they can get wins
versus Kentucky, Mississippi State, and in Arkansas as maybe previously.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Thought, well, I think Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Arkansas, if
they can't beat those teams, then they're not gonna They're
not gonna win, They're not getting to a ball game. No.
When there's those are absolute and not only do they
need to win those games, they need style points in
those games. They need to have convincing wins against those teams.
Are and and all signs are pointing towards the offense.
I think the defense is fine, but Texas does not
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have a running game right now with that Baxter Nope,
and and Arch is still learning the system, and I
think he'll be a good quarterback whether he's in the
NFL number one pick or not still to be determined,
all right, In the history of this game, texass way
is sixty four and let me see, I had the
record right here, where did it goesteenen sixty four fifty
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one and five is the ou TeX's.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
All time rivalry. So they did have ties in college football.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They did up until nineteen ninety four. Pre nineteen ninety
four games goet ended a tie. Nineteen ninety four was
the first year that we had overtime and so and
I can remember two of the ties. One was in
nineteen eighty four when I don't know what game the
officials were refereeing, but they missed like five calls.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
In the fourth quarter. This is when you were a student.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, and I was part of the of the of
this student radio broadcast team, but I didn't get to
call the game until nineteen eighty five, and that was
the first play by play.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Game I ever did.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So I went from ou Texas to Seminole, Oklahoma after
that to call high school games. But it was But
if you look at the record since since nineteen forty five,
since the end of World War two, O you's got
a two or three game lead in this and to
kind of give you a little quick history on this text.
Football mattered back in the turn of the nineteenth in
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nineteenth and twentieth century. When you got the early nineteen hundreds,
Texas football was a big deal. It certainly wasn't the
big deal that it is now, and TV didn't exist
and multi billion dollar contracts didn't exist, but still Texas
paid a lot more attention to football than Oklahoma did.
Oklahoma was one of the poorest states in the country
and even moorer than that during the dustball years. And
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there's a book out there that Barry Switzer wrote, and
I think Bud Wilkinson was in this book. But basically,
in nineteen forty six or seven somewhere around there, the
board of Regents at OU decided that they needed a
football team that was competitive and that that would also
boost the morale of those who are down trodden in
the state of Oklahoma, and they hired Bud Wilkinson, and
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one of his star recruits happened to be Darryl Royle,
who eventually came to Texas and became a Longhorn even
though he's had a degree from OU. But from nineteen
fifty to nineteen sixty, they wrecked the rand havoc against everyone,
and Bud Wilkinson basically understood the message from his bosses.
Not only do we want you to beat people, we
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want you to humiliate them because, in some weird sense
of way, that'll give us a little bit of feeling
good about ourselves. Yes, Swagger, because not for the football program,
but for the citizens of the state of Oklahoma who
suffered through the worst of times during the descbol Era. Gotcha,
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and so we're going to go out there and beat
you and hang half a hundred by halftime. That's where
that slogan began, and it's what created the football monster
that OU began had and then obviously continue to be
fed during the Switzer years and the Bob Stoops years.
Between Switzer and Stoops, it was kind of another desolate
period of time. It's kind of no matter what side
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of the fence you're on, if you're a Longhorn fan,
you remember the Longhorn wins more than the Longhorn losses.
And I'm guilty of that as well. The first OU
Texas game I ever attended was eighty two, my freshman
year at OU, and that was the Marcus two pre
game where he came out. Unfortunately, the next year he
wasn't around because he had basically quit the team. There
was the eighty four game that ended a tie that
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I talked about that was raining the whole game, and
I think the running backs name was Kevin Nelson for
Texas and he fumbled and if we had instant replay
back in eighty four, that game's over with and done
with twice because they missed a bunch of calls there.
The eighty five game, we talk about Troy Yikman being
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a wishbone quarterback and he led a wishbone team to
a win that week. But the story of that game
was the defense. Texas rushed for negative yards in the
second half and Casius and Bosworth had big games. And
then I think one of the biggest highlights that we've
ever seen in the Ou Texas rivalry is where minebacker
Teddy Layman jumped over the center, knocked the ball loose,
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and Roy Williams was able to scoop it up for
a touchdown. So lots of games that were that This
just to me is the best rivalry in sports. I
know Ohio State and Michigan are big, but they play
each other on campus and Florida and Georgia. They even
call it what it is. It's a cocktail party. We're
going there to have a good time. The OU Texas
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rivalry is as much hatfield as McCoy as you can
get in a college football setting, and that the vitriol
between both sides is quite amazing. And I haven't been
to an OU Texas game in a long time, but
I can tell you that it's still pretty fervent. It's
still one side's orange and one side's red, and it
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is an amazing experience. If you've never been to the
Cotton Bowl for this game, I liked it this time.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They're doing an afternoon game, but I cannot, for lack
of me, don't understand why they don't do this game
in primetime.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
This was like an I can tell you three reasons
why money Well, number one. The number one thing is
the Cotton Bowl Committee and the State Fair of Texas
would prefer this to be an eleven am game because
they want people to go to the fair after the
game and stay at the fair and spend ridiculous amounts
of money on stupid stuff at the fair. They want
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the fair to make money because there's seventy eighty thousand
people piling out of that stadium, and they want.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Them to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's the most primary reason they will accept the two
thirty time. But I cannot imagine this game ever being
played at night because as much alcohol that would be
consumed between the morning and a six o'clock kickoff or
a six thirty kickoff, the amount of potential violence would
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be off the charts. And now you've got people going
to the fair and they're staying there at the fair,
and then you've got eighty thousand people going to the
football game, and while the fair is in its prime,
now you've got people who are drunk and mad that
their team won or lost.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's not good, not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So I think that's probably the second the second biggest
reason is getting the people at the fair that want
to be at the fair, that don't care about the
football game to have a good experience. I think the
main reason is because the fair wants to make as
much money as it can. And let's understand that the
fair is the primary thing for two weeks in Dallas,
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and it's I don't know about I don't know how
to describe this other than what I've been told it's
not a really good neighborhood to be in at night,
and so a lot of people go home well before
dark during the fair. And you don't want to have
a football game that ends at ten thirty and eighty
thousand people trying to get home into their cars.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, I can see why that'd be a problem. I mean,
not just locals.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
People come from all over the country to this game,
not just for the fair, not just for the game,
but for the atmosphere of itself. I have never been
to the Texas State Fair, and you know me, I'm
a lifelong Texan and I feel ashamed of that. But
if nothing else, I want to go for the food.
I heard the food ridiculous. Have you Have you ever
been to the State Fair.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Only only to wop through the midway during the U
Texas game. I didn't eat it, But the only thing
that I would want to eat at the Fair because
I've kind of got a a diet, No I've got
I Well, I'm not going to eat fried coke and
fried whatever else they have there.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
What fried coke they have? They have fried coca cola, Yes, possible.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I don't know how they do it, but somehow they
make something called fried coke. I'm not a big corn
dog fan, although I'm told the corn dogs there are
pretty good. But I'm a when I go to the rodeo,
when I go to a carnival type setting, I like
funnel cakes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh you're one of Oh you're a funnel cakes. I
like funnel cake. I get that. You don't know why.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
It's because that's not one of those things that you
just buy at the store.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Have you got to have the fryer, you gotta have
the powdered sugar, you got to have all the all
the details.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's a specialty treat. I get that kind of cotton candy.
I mean, I don't like cotton candy. What's fine. But
but the boys, it's the same thing. It's not something
you have all the time or even rerely available. It's
like it's it's in a specific spot for a reason
you might not have it again for you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
For like all, you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Can smell funnel cakes as soon as you're there. You like,
you don't need a direction. You just go in the
direction of the smell.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You put powdered sugar on yours.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Absolutely, you got the you put syrup or what what
all loaded up? The whole works. Okay. If I'm gonna cheat,
I'm gonna cheat good.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I've seen I've seen the funnel case with nutella on
the inside.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I do not like nutella, really, I do not.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't want any I don't want to be in
the same vicinity as nutella.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I've never liked nutella at all.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is it an extra thing or I don't know it's
I'm not a There's some chocolate I like and there's
some I don't, and I guess that's some version of chocolate.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's one that I don't like.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I got you well, it's I mean yeah, because it's
it's crushed of hazelnut with cocoa and mixed in there.
It's not traditional chocolate like you're talking about. I I
love this stuff, but I also know that if I
eat it, I will get fat and I can't do that.
All Right, we got to get to Mark VanderMeer. We'll
call him up and talk to him next. It's five
sixteen on the ticket.
Fifteen or so minutes away from Mark VanderMeer.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We'll talk about the Texans big win going into the
bye week. They're feeling very good about themselves, and they
should after beating a team that they should have beaten.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We didn't know that with that.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Baltimore was going to be as beat up as they
were going into the season, but the Texans took care
of business early and often the other day against them.
We'll get into Mark's thoughts on all of that. Auburn
is going to play a home game on the road.
Not a big fan of that. We'll talk about what
they're going to do coming up in just a little
bit as well. It's Oh you and Texas this weekend,
and John Mattier says, I want to play my hand
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feels good?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
They need to X ray this thing and make sure
that that bonus is healed. This is in your throwing in.
I don't know what John Mattier's NFL status is going
to be, but he certainly has the confidence. He was
the highest rated transfer guy this past year.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes he was.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And OU's got things going right now, but they're about
to enter a stretch where it is going to be
really really difficult for them to stay unscathed, and it's
basically the next six weeks it's going to determine their
CFP chances, and most importantly, it's gonna probably determine Brett
Venable's fate as the coach at OU. It's the Texas
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game this weekend is a must must win for Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's not a must win for OU.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now, OU fans probably don't want to hear that, because
anytime that you play Texas it's a must win. I mean,
sometimes you're judged by how often you beat Texas. But
it's important for Texas to win this game or their
chances of the CFP are going to go further south
than they already are. In fact, I think Texas probably
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has to win out. They may get one miss up
between now and then, but they got to beat They've
got to beat everybody going forward if they're going to
if they're going to get in that college football playoff
and get one of the Southeastern Conference, which we kind
of think is going to be pretty much four teams.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Andy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm gonna be honest, I think Texas might struggle to
be BOY eligible.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I really do.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Their schedule is actually harder for in my opinion, than Oklahoma,
especially given where both teams are at right now. The
Long Words that have two losses right now, right yep.
If we assume, just to be fair, that they will
lose to every ranked team left on their schedule, that's
six losses right there. And you have to hope they
get a win out of Kentucky, missip sit in Arkansas,
which right now we can't comfortably say they would.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
True, yeah, they but I think they'll figure this out.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I think Texas is going to beat those those lesser
teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'll get to the Texas schedule in a second, but
here's what OU has at South Carolina, home with Old Miss,
at Tennessee at Alabama, home with Missouri, and home with LSU. Uh.
That's what's coming up, and South Carolina is always going
to be a tough aut bet. That'll be a night
game in South Carolina, the Old Miss game. I think
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Ole Miss is good, but I don't think they're great.
I think they're better at home than they're on the road.
Tennessee is a hard, hard place to play, so is Alabama.
Missouri is one of those teams that I don't think
is great, but they always seem to play well against OU,
and then you never know about LSU. So I think, oh,
you could lose to Texas as long as they didn't
lose to anybody else and still maybe even make the
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SEC Championship game. But Texas is in dire straits right
now if they lose this game because some of the
teams that you said that they have to play going forward.
This is a must game for them coming up. And
that's why if I'm if there's any doubt about John
Mattier's status and about how good his hand he is,
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I would at least see if Hawkins can beat Texas
because Texas has got to figure out I think the
biggest problem for Texas isn't OU. It's about themselves. Can
they execute their offense? Their defense has been pretty decent
for most of the year, but can their offense score
enough points? And they're probably going to have to score
thirty points to beat O. You whether Michael Hawkins plays
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or Materi plays, but you're gonna can the offense get
on track to beat OU? That's the question for Texas. So,
but oh, you still has this. I think this is
OU's mulligan. But then if you lose this game to
a what we are perceiving to be a weaker Texas team,
then what's your mindset going into that gauntlet with the
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teams I just mentioned? Do you feel confident that you
can beat them? If you go in and beat Texas,
you know, forty two to twenty one, and it's a
pretty convincing win. Now, you're feeling pretty good about yourself
going to South Carolina next week and hosting Ole Miss
and going back to back with Tennessee and Alabama. But
if you lose to this team, now you're starting to
be a little bit doubtful and you're second guessing yourself
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way too much.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So important for OU, but a mush for Texas.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
To be honest, when I look at OU's schedule, the
only losses that I can say, in my opinion, I
can say right now that I think they will absolutely
not be able to win is Knoxville and in TUSCALOOSID.
And it's not just it's a road team, but I
think right now those two teams are playing some of
the best ball, if at least in the Alabama. Yeah,
I think I think the lost might have kickstarted something
in there. They're still not as threatening as they once were,
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but they definitely have played a lot better since the loss.
But I look at ole Miss, LSU, and Missouri the
other ranked teams on their schedule there, I think the
ranking might scw how we look at them because LSU
we came into the season thinking they will be a
championship contender, but garrettnus Meyer has not looked as good
as he was last year, and the defense has kind
of carried them in a similar way that Texas is playing.
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Missouri is playing a lot of close games and they're
controlling games primarily on the ground with the Mad Harvey
I believe his name is the running back and South
Carolina and ole Miss South Carolina. Unfortunately for them, they've
been dealing with injuries early and ole Miss has been
playing really good, but they've also played a lot of
closer games than need be and I think the ranking
might have been a little high on them. I think
they just got a lot of love because of the
I believe it was the Georgia win that they had.
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I think that Ole Miss is probably due for a
slip up, whereas Texas right now, if you're Texas, you
you have two losses against the two team against two
teams while they are good, but you didn't play well
against teams that you.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Beat really well.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm concerned if I'm Texas, because if you don't beat Oklahoma,
you have to ash up here a Texas player or
a fan. Where do we get the other wins on
this schedule? Because I'm not confident enough of what I've
seen from the long Horns that they can get wins
versus Kentucky, Mississippi State, and in Arkansas as maybe previously.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Thought, well, I think Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Arkansas, if
they can't beat those teams, then they're not gonna They're
not gonna win, They're not getting to a ball game. No.
When there's those are absolute and not only do they
need to win those games, they need style points in
those games. They need to have convincing wins against those teams.
Are and and all signs are pointing towards the offense.
I think the defense is fine, but Texas does not
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have a running game right now with that Baxter Nope,
and and Arch is still learning the system, and I
think he'll be a good quarterback whether he's in the
NFL number one pick or not still to be determined,
all right, In the history of this game, texass way
is sixty four and let me see, I had the
record right here, where did it goesteenen sixty four fifty
(07:03):
one and five is the ou TeX's.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
All time rivalry. So they did have ties in college football.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
They did up until nineteen ninety four. Pre nineteen ninety
four games goet ended a tie. Nineteen ninety four was
the first year that we had overtime and so and
I can remember two of the ties. One was in
nineteen eighty four when I don't know what game the
officials were refereeing, but they missed like five calls.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
In the fourth quarter. This is when you were a student.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes, and I was part of the of the of
this student radio broadcast team, but I didn't get to
call the game until nineteen eighty five, and that was
the first play by play.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Game I ever did.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So I went from ou Texas to Seminole, Oklahoma after
that to call high school games. But it was But
if you look at the record since since nineteen forty five,
since the end of World War two, O you's got
a two or three game lead in this and to
kind of give you a little quick history on this text.
Football mattered back in the turn of the nineteenth in
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nineteenth and twentieth century. When you got the early nineteen hundreds,
Texas football was a big deal. It certainly wasn't the
big deal that it is now, and TV didn't exist
and multi billion dollar contracts didn't exist, but still Texas
paid a lot more attention to football than Oklahoma did.
Oklahoma was one of the poorest states in the country
and even moorer than that during the dustball years. And
(08:24):
there's a book out there that Barry Switzer wrote, and
I think Bud Wilkinson was in this book. But basically,
in nineteen forty six or seven somewhere around there, the
board of Regents at OU decided that they needed a
football team that was competitive and that that would also
boost the morale of those who are down trodden in
the state of Oklahoma, and they hired Bud Wilkinson, and
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one of his star recruits happened to be Darryl Royle,
who eventually came to Texas and became a Longhorn even
though he's had a degree from OU. But from nineteen
fifty to nineteen sixty, they wrecked the rand havoc against everyone,
and Bud Wilkinson basically understood the message from his bosses.
Not only do we want you to beat people, we
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want you to humiliate them because, in some weird sense
of way, that'll give us a little bit of feeling
good about ourselves. Yes, Swagger, because not for the football program,
but for the citizens of the state of Oklahoma who
suffered through the worst of times during the descbol Era. Gotcha,
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and so we're going to go out there and beat
you and hang half a hundred by halftime. That's where
that slogan began, and it's what created the football monster
that OU began had and then obviously continue to be
fed during the Switzer years and the Bob Stoops years.
Between Switzer and Stoops, it was kind of another desolate
period of time. It's kind of no matter what side
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of the fence you're on, if you're a Longhorn fan,
you remember the Longhorn wins more than the Longhorn losses.
And I'm guilty of that as well. The first OU
Texas game I ever attended was eighty two, my freshman
year at OU, and that was the Marcus two pre
game where he came out. Unfortunately, the next year he
wasn't around because he had basically quit the team. There
was the eighty four game that ended a tie that
(10:10):
I talked about that was raining the whole game, and
I think the running backs name was Kevin Nelson for
Texas and he fumbled and if we had instant replay
back in eighty four, that game's over with and done
with twice because they missed a bunch of calls there.
The eighty five game, we talk about Troy Yikman being
(10:30):
a wishbone quarterback and he led a wishbone team to
a win that week. But the story of that game
was the defense. Texas rushed for negative yards in the
second half and Casius and Bosworth had big games. And
then I think one of the biggest highlights that we've
ever seen in the Ou Texas rivalry is where minebacker
Teddy Layman jumped over the center, knocked the ball loose,
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and Roy Williams was able to scoop it up for
a touchdown. So lots of games that were that This
just to me is the best rivalry in sports. I
know Ohio State and Michigan are big, but they play
each other on campus and Florida and Georgia. They even
call it what it is. It's a cocktail party. We're
going there to have a good time. The OU Texas
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rivalry is as much hatfield as McCoy as you can
get in a college football setting, and that the vitriol
between both sides is quite amazing. And I haven't been
to an OU Texas game in a long time, but
I can tell you that it's still pretty fervent. It's
still one side's orange and one side's red, and it
(11:37):
is an amazing experience. If you've never been to the
Cotton Bowl for this game, I liked it this time.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
They're doing an afternoon game, but I cannot, for lack
of me, don't understand why they don't do this game
in primetime.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
This was like an I can tell you three reasons
why money Well, number one. The number one thing is
the Cotton Bowl Committee and the State Fair of Texas
would prefer this to be an eleven am game because
they want people to go to the fair after the
game and stay at the fair and spend ridiculous amounts
of money on stupid stuff at the fair. They want
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the fair to make money because there's seventy eighty thousand
people piling out of that stadium, and they want.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Them to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That's the most primary reason they will accept the two
thirty time. But I cannot imagine this game ever being
played at night because as much alcohol that would be
consumed between the morning and a six o'clock kickoff or
a six thirty kickoff, the amount of potential violence would
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be off the charts. And now you've got people going
to the fair and they're staying there at the fair,
and then you've got eighty thousand people going to the
football game, and while the fair is in its prime,
now you've got people who are drunk and mad that
their team won or lost.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It's not good, not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So I think that's probably the second the second biggest
reason is getting the people at the fair that want
to be at the fair, that don't care about the
football game to have a good experience. I think the
main reason is because the fair wants to make as
much money as it can. And let's understand that the
fair is the primary thing for two weeks in Dallas,
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and it's I don't know about I don't know how
to describe this other than what I've been told it's
not a really good neighborhood to be in at night,
and so a lot of people go home well before
dark during the fair. And you don't want to have
a football game that ends at ten thirty and eighty
thousand people trying to get home into their cars.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, I can see why that'd be a problem. I mean,
not just locals.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
People come from all over the country to this game,
not just for the fair, not just for the game,
but for the atmosphere of itself. I have never been
to the Texas State Fair, and you know me, I'm
a lifelong Texan and I feel ashamed of that. But
if nothing else, I want to go for the food.
I heard the food ridiculous. Have you Have you ever
been to the State Fair.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Only only to wop through the midway during the U
Texas game. I didn't eat it, But the only thing
that I would want to eat at the Fair because
I've kind of got a a diet, No I've got
I Well, I'm not going to eat fried coke and
fried whatever else they have there.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
What fried coke they have? They have fried coca cola, Yes, possible.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I don't know how they do it, but somehow they
make something called fried coke. I'm not a big corn
dog fan, although I'm told the corn dogs there are
pretty good. But I'm a when I go to the rodeo,
when I go to a carnival type setting, I like
funnel cakes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh you're one of Oh you're a funnel cakes. I
like funnel cake. I get that. You don't know why.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
It's because that's not one of those things that you
just buy at the store.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Have you got to have the fryer, you gotta have
the powdered sugar, you got to have all the all
the details.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It's a specialty treat. I get that kind of cotton candy.
I mean, I don't like cotton candy. What's fine. But
but the boys, it's the same thing. It's not something
you have all the time or even rerely available. It's
like it's it's in a specific spot for a reason
you might not have it again for you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
For like all, you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Can smell funnel cakes as soon as you're there. You like,
you don't need a direction. You just go in the
direction of the smell.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
You put powdered sugar on yours.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Absolutely, you got the you put syrup or what what
all loaded up? The whole works. Okay. If I'm gonna cheat,
I'm gonna cheat good.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I've seen I've seen the funnel case with nutella on
the inside.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I do not like nutella, really, I do not.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't want any I don't want to be in
the same vicinity as nutella.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I've never liked nutella at all.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Is it an extra thing or I don't know it's
I'm not a There's some chocolate I like and there's
some I don't, and I guess that's some version of chocolate.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's one that I don't like.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I got you well, it's I mean yeah, because it's
it's crushed of hazelnut with cocoa and mixed in there.
It's not traditional chocolate like you're talking about. I I
love this stuff, but I also know that if I
eat it, I will get fat and I can't do that.
All Right, we got to get to Mark VanderMeer. We'll
call him up and talk to him next. It's five
sixteen on the ticket.
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